Reality Millions? Definitely NOT a scam.

[Mattie]

The plot thickens. . . . .
Did anyone go to investplace and have a look? I'm wondering if he's started this to pay off RM. The initial investment there is only $30. I can't understand why anyone would even bother altering the website if they intend to scam, why not just take off and leave everyone hanging? The last week or so it’s been difficult to get onto the site?????

Regarding Gareth Davies, I suppose it could be that Midas was himself "taken in" by this man.

Why would someone preparing to scam everyone start another identical site? Why, when money was pouring into the program, would it be necessary for Venter to hurriedly leave South Africa and not pay his outstanding debts?

This is absolutely fascinating better that the best suspense novel I've ever read!!

It would have been nice to actually see the proof that Lawyer says that he has. If this thread is going to continue, we have to go with fact, pro and con and not conjecture.

One of the things that made me sure that this wasn't a scam was the way in which he seemed to involved Jo Han Mok and Ewen Chia. Do you remember he was offering numerous goodies through their pages - they live in Singapore - suddenly they seem to have withdrawn from the scene to pursue "other interests". Is this a coincidence or are they involved somehow? It seems incredible that they would be but. . . ?
They use the business name, Midas Touch Marketing Secrets for one of their programs.

The word “touch” keeps re-appearing in everything. Midas uses it as his wife’s name.

For those that don’t know, in Greek Mythology, Midas was given the ability to turn everything he touched to gold. He starved to death! It’s where we get, the Midas touch.

Someone, somewhere must have some answers..

[Publisher1]

Mattie, you are right, this is better than a suspense novel, and I'm right in the thick of the plot!

If you do some checking, you'll find that the RM "engine" can be licensed from a russian guy for about $150 US. So all it takes is a little money, some creative writing and layout, the settting up of the necessary anonymous accounts, and you are in business -- scam business, that is.

This story has more twists and turns than the best novel. The challenge is sorlting out the fact from the (con) fiction! More to follow...

[Mattie]

Publisher1, I love it!! Nothing this good since Hitchcock.

To be fair to everyone, we have to reveal what we know. Digging around, it doesn't seem that difficult to make the sort of returns he mentions: http://aurumgames.com/monitoring.php 5% - 7% daily returns are not uncommon.

It would still be nice to see the emails that Lawyer has - if only the headings

The U.S. Supreme Court upheld Americans' right to be anonymous in a landmark 1995 decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, in which the majority said "Anonymity is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent."

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority.

(http://www.katzglobal.com/hosting/hosting.html)

That must make off-shore trading legal

The puzzle that still difficult to understand is why Colin Venter (Midas?) would find it necessary to leave S. Africa in such a hurry when money was pouring into RM. Why if you were working on a huge scam would you fool around leaving a trail of theft for a few hundred dollars? Midas mentions children - what does the landlord say about that?

There are passport mentioned but no-one states where they were issued. He seems to travel around quite a bit and yet the pasport wasn't issued until May? June? last year.
How long has he been going to the hotel where you tracked him down and why are they releasing information that is supposed to be confidential?

Your mention of the cheap progam was interesting - for a millionaire's employees the current programmers are dreadful. I can understand maybe a week of interrrupted service better yet why not shut the site down completely until the modifications have been made. At the moment the site is in terrible shape, it's almost impossible to enter and crashes every few keystrokes. By the same token I don't understand why it would be necessary to change the site if everyone was just going to take off. Why bother?

Thicker and thicker . . .

[Fletch Underwood]

A guy bashes another guy's head in with a shovel and kills him. The police find him standing over the body, still bashing away. The shovel belongs to the purported killer and has his fingerprints all over it. The alleged killer is spattered all over with the victim's blood. The shovel and the blood-spattered clothes are entered into evidence. DNA tests show the blood belongs to the victim. Further, the entire episode was caught on videotape and clearly shows the alleged killer bashing the victim's brains out. Now MATTIE is on the jury. All the evidence is presented to the jury. The questions MATTIE asks in the jury room?

"Where was the shovel purchased, and how much did it cost?"

"Why would someone with money purchase such a cheap shovel? It doesn't make any sense."

"Is it really legal to videotape someone without their prior consent?"

"I know someone who knows someone who once met the defendant, and she says he doesn't even own a shovel. How could he have killed the man?"

Mattie - this is not a suspense novel. This is a "connect-the-dots" puzzle in a children's book. You are either purposefully obfuscating the conversation to cover up for the RM scammers, or you are one of the densest netizens in cyberspace.

[Scambaiter]

The big problem for RM is everything I have posted can be checked out. People can find out for themselves, all the information is there.

I have been saying this stuff for a couple of months and not one RM supporter has come forward to correct it.

All that is offered in return is hyperbole about how wonderful Midas is. A few weeks ago Tambra banned members from posting on other forums and started throwing members out of RM if they even tried to defend it.

Does anybody get the impression they are worried?

[Fletch Underwood]

Good Lord. Just for the hell of it, I thought I'd look up the case that MATTIE cites, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission. The issue the case addresses is specifically the abridgement of freedom of speech:

Does the prohibition of the distribution of anonymous campaign literature abridge freedom of speech as protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments?

MATTIE summarizes the decision thusly: "That must make off-shore trading legal." MATTIE, you are either a scammer yourself, or a complete idiot. Please tell us which. Now there's some suspense for y'all.

[Publisher1]

No need to flame Mattie, in my opinion. There are virtues (and challenges) in first-hand research. We need to also go back to the 'source' of RM's marketing materials that are well dressed up to create the aura of legitimacy and are able to gently (but effectively) suck people into the vortex. I believe the essense of RM's success has been the creative writing ability of the people behind the scam; while the Reality Millions HYIP "engine" is a $150 piece of Russian software, the writing skills of Colin Venter, Darren Bartsch et al are "worth a million". It is unfortunate these writers are not applying their skills for more positive aims.

I agree this is a darn good story and expect to have some new chapters ready soon at cattyshaq.

[RegulationE]

Originally Posted by Fletch Underwood

Good Lord. Just for the hell of it, I thought I'd look up the case that MATTIE cites, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission. The issue the case addresses is specifically the abridgement of freedom of speech:

Does the prohibition of the distribution of anonymous campaign literature abridge freedom of speech as protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments?

MATTIE summarizes the decision thusly: "That must make off-shore trading legal." MATTIE, you are either a scammer yourself, or a complete idiot. Please tell us which. Now there's some suspense for y'all.

There is no question at all that Mattie is part of the promotion of this scam. It would not be surprising at all to find out Mattie is in fact "Midas" or "touch" themselves. Scammers always take a legal decision, regulation, or offical sounding terminology and use them to make their scam sound legal as though there is a basis for what they are doing.

It is very clear what Companies selling investments in the United States have to do and one of them is provide the information about who the principles are and what they have accomplished. The simple fact that RM only provides a screen name of "Midas" should be enough to prove the program is a scam.

[Fletch Underwood]

No need to flame Mattie, in my opinion. There are virtues (and challenges) in first-hand research.

Not to beat a dead horse, Publisher, but there is plenty of reason to flame MATTIE. As Regulation notes, MATTIE is not some ignorant hick who happened to wander past the internet cafe. With every post, MATTIE exposes himself further as part and parcel of this fraud. The "first-hand research" MATTIE has conducted consists of quoting from, and providing the link to, another scam site that in all probability is owned and operated by MATTIE himself. MATTIE is not practicing "research", he is practicing "sophistry".

[Mattie]

You are probably right, I am an idiot. However in any trial there is a defense and a prosecution. Like everyone else I’m trying to ascertain the truth. It certainly doesn’t give any comfort to the people Who have large sums invested to be told, “Yep!
It’s all a scam.” We need to offer them absolute proof.

I’ve read a lot of things here but some of the information that I have differs from yours. When I encountered RM October 15, 2004 the bank was listed as Latvijas Unibanka which is part of the SEB Group – still one of the largest in Europe.

I checked the fsa.gov.uk references;
This is the information regarding the ITB Group:ITB GROUP is not authorized under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (FSMA) to carry out regulated activity in the UK. Regulated activities include, amongst other things, advising investments and dealing in and arranging deals in investments ("investments" include and shares). The FSA believes that the firm may be targeting UK customers.
All is says is, the ITB Group can't operate in the U.K. Meaning they can't steal customers from British banks.

What ever I've put down here I've tried to document. The posting I made on the 24 about individual having met with Midas was a routine email from Herbert Ratsch of http://www.wealth-systems.com.

"In fact IT group is owned my a Vilnis Laurens, a wanted criminal." The name is Laurins and I haven't found any evidence to substantiate this. Proof?

This is what I found about the man - Vilnis Laurins. He is Managing Director, Baltic Trust Company.

Administrative Contact:
Laurins, Vilnis
Baltic Trust Company PLC
Ganu iela 6 - 21
Riga, LV-1010, NONUS LV-1010
LV

I have written to Mr. Cerps and will publish his reply. In the guest book at the bank some clever person has put this: Its headed, Reality Millions -

"DetctingPonziScams@fbi.gov.com [28-03-2005]
We are so close to busting your asses, the cuffs are awaiting".
Does this garbage contribute anything?

The URL , realitymillions.com is now registered in Singapore
Domain: realitymillions.net
Status: Active

DNS:
UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET

Created: 2004-09-10
Expires: 2011-09-10
Last Modified: 2005-04-14 16:49:11

Registrant Contact:
Katz Global Domain Name Trust Privacy Service
Privacy Protected Domain Katz Global Domain Name Trust (domaintrust@katzglobal.com)
32 Maxwell Road #03-07
Singapore, SC, SG
P: +65.67228356 F: +65.67258021

Part of their regulations include this:

General Fraud/Scam Sites: (carder sites, fake auction sites, fake exchange sites etc)

If your site is a scam and we see this after visiting it, you will be automatically terminated without a refund and without and prior warning. We reserve the right to eliminate all fraudulent websites, databases and mail from our servers at our discretion.


We feel we have enough experience to know the difference and will act without hesitation.

If you plan on running a scam/fraud on our servers we ask you to look elsewhere as you risk getting deleted without any refund.
If you are someone who feels that a site on our servers may be fraudulent, running a scam for financial gain or defamatory to you personally, please notify us immediately so that we may take the proper actions. We guarantee a fast resolution and fast communication.

Frankly, I've been around and around the Intenet and haven't found any real, hard evidence. I've check bank scam files, public scam files and found nothing. There is a lot of work still to be done but I will not decide either way until I have comcrete proof.

Speculation, hearsay, third party reports mean nothing. Lawyer threw his hat in the ring and then didn't produce anything of merit. He gave you no more than the hearsay that I presented last week.

Yesterday I spent a couple of hours going round dogpile.com and looking at all the sites where people were hanging their hopes and dreams on one man. If it is a scam I hope everyone gets together and crucifies the devil but people, we've still got a lot of work to do.


Just to really get everyone going :

www.talent-direct.com/cgi-bin/ docsrch.pl?TYPE=Financial-Services:Securitie


From: http://www.balticmarkets.com/gossip/messages/3621.html
Perhaps you should read the introductory material on the web page in full. Baltic Banking Group Companies are, as is clearly presented on the web page: a of group of companies with common management and ownership. The Latvian company is Baltic Trust Company plc which was registered in 1994 as a trust company with a charter approved by the Finance Ministry to conduct a trust business. There are many forms of banking that do not require central bank approval: merchant and investment banking for instance. The issue is moot because in fact; Baltic does not accept any local clients. This is because its primary business is offshore services and Baltic will not help Latvian residents to deminision the taxes due in Latvia. Baltic has made all the reports required of it including reports to the central bank. You are correct in that none of the associated companies are registered as credit institutions with the Central Bank of Latvia but that is not required under current legislation to conduct a trust company business nor does it prevent providing related financial service through correspondent banks and agents.

Flame me all you like but let's stay on track with this and if its a scam, get as many people as we can out with their funds.

[Scambaiter]

Firstly, no flame from me, you are doing your homework and verifying things and I like that.

I contacted Mr Cerps some time ago and this is what he replied to me (with full headers but edited to hide my name and e-mail):

via 217.146.176.42; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:39:58 +0000
X-YahooFilteredBulk: 194.19.226.252
Authentication-Results: mta124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=FKTK.lv; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
X-Originating-IP: [194.19.226.252]
Return-Path:
Received: from 194.19.226.252 (EHLO mail.FKTK.lv) (194.19.226.252) by mta124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:39:58 +0000
Subject: Par komercdarbîbu Ganu ielâ 6
To: xxx@yahoo.co.uk
CC:
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002
From: FKTK@FKTK.lv Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
Date: 21-Mar-2005 17:42:07 ZE2
Message-ID:
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on musons/Fktk/LV(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 21.03.2005 17:42:09
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Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1257
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Length: 745



Rîgâ 21.03.2005

Nr. 05.01.06./744




Dear

Financial and Capital Market Commission (hereinafter - the FCMC)
has
received your e-mail letter as of 19.03.2005.

We would advise you to take the utmost caution in dealing with
the IT
Banking Group, or any other companies claiming to be registered at
Ganu
iela 6, Riga, Latvia. It is NOT licensed by the FCMC and is not
authorized
by our authority for conducting the banking business.

Please be informed that the FCMC has no information about the
activities of
IT Banking Group, although it is very probable that it is affiliated
with a
U.S. citizen Mr. Vilnis Laurins, and other companies associated with
this
individual:

- International Trust Bank Ltd.;
- IT Bankshares Holding Company Trust Ltd.;
- IT Underwriters S.A. Trust;
- IT Capital Company Ltd.;
- ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation.

All these companies are registered in off-shore territories.

We have received notifications in the past of possible financial
fraud
committed by the above mentioned companies, and we have forwarded
the
matters to the respective law enforcement agencies in Latvia dealing
with
financial crime.

Best regards

U. Cerps
Chairman
Financial and Capital Market Commission

He replied very quickly (the next day in fact) so you should be able to confirm this as correct shortly.

Personally I find it pretty damning.

Have you checked with the Channel Islands yet?

I think you will find that they confirm no such company is registered with them.

You also said "All is says is, the ITB Group can't operate in the U.K. Meaning they can't steal customers from British banks."

That is not, as far as I understand, correct. An unlicenced company is not supposed to conduct business in the UK at all. In other words the are operating unlawfully. Take a look and see if any other European banks have alerts issued about them, they don't. It has nothing to do with protecting UK banks business, the warning is there to protect the UK consumer.

[Publisher1]

The complexity in investigating a scam is that things are not always (in fact not often) what they seem to be. Truth is mixed with fiction; credibility is tested with threats, and things end up so mixed up that if you want to believe the scam is not, you will have plenty of 'grounds' for that belief. These elements are especially prevalent in the craftiest and smartest scams, like Reality Millions. The challenge is enhanced because RM is using the varying levels of ethics in offshore financial havens, mixed with real people in Western nations. There are many pieces to the puzzle. And simply investigating one small piece, like whether "43 Ashwin Avenue, Chiltern Heights, KZN" has anything to do with RM has taken me through several stages of discovery (with even more under-way.)

Can you believe anything you see here? Katz Global, for example, "talks the right talk" but does the organization "walk the right walk". Look at Stormpay -- one of RM's primary payment processors. They just sent an email out to their members describing their complaint resolution system; they appear legitimate in Tennessee, and certainly they promptly sent my check as promised when I was booted out of RM. Look further, and you'll see very disturbing BBB and State filings that cause you to wonder how they are able to stay in business.

Most impressively, "Midas"/Venter and Darren Bartsch are able to use inspired words developed by the greats of the motivational industry, to propel victims and co-conspirators to greater heights (or lows). Fortunately, I happen to believe in the motivational principals in the RM rhetoric, and am enjoying my combined scam and business-building initiatives here and at Cattyshaq. It is turning out that the RM investigation is proving great for my business, though of course our companies pay the expenses of the new sales representatives/publishers we are contracting with as a result of the publicity here, rather than asking them to "invest" in some home-based business opportunity.

I am simply putting the investigation costs down as 'marketing expense' and continuing the research. Ultimately, those of us around here ready to invest time and effort to uncover this scam will help to break it -- but, sadly, I think the thing will only collapse after many people are victimized for even larger amounts of money.

[Fletch Underwood]

You are probably right, I am an idiot.

No, you misread my post. I said that you are either an idiot or a scammer. Obviously, you are not an idiot ... that leaves one other option.

[Mattie]

Sorry, people, I admittedly made a mistake over the posting of "Americans' right to be anonymous", it was BAD research on my part, I should have read the source before posting it - my apologies to all. I won’t do it again. Concerning, being a scammer, I, in all sincerity, am so far removed from dishonestly, I have difficulty believing others can be that way. Karma rules - what goes around comes around.

All I am trying to do here is get the facts. Someone will, for example, write that the interest rates are not possible. That sends me off to discover if the statement is correct.

I have money “invested” in RM. Not a lot but I have to consider whether to take it out now or as I’ve mentioned before, just supposing it isn’t a scam? I’m between a rock and a hard place and I’m digging just as hard as you but I refuse to accept something because someone say its so.

Loved the emails from Mr Cerps – now that’s what I call research. I am waiting to see what he replies to me.

B.T.W. I almost fell off my chair laughing when someone suggested that I could be Midas or Touch –
Do you really think I’d be sitting here, digging around the Internet for clues if I were?

A bit more information:

The Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) is one of three Commonwealth government bodies that regulate financial services. We are the single national regulator of Australia's 1.2 million companies.

http://www.asic.gov.au/

[Mattie]

ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation

"Please be informed that the FCMC has no information about the
activities of IT Banking Group, although it is very probable
that it is affiliated with a U.S. citizen Mr. Vilnis Laurins,
and other companies associated with this individual:

International Trust Bank Ltd.;
- IT Bankshares Holding Company Trust Ltd.;
- IT Underwriters S.A. Trust;
- IT Capital Company Ltd.;
- ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation."


The company write-up states:

Company Information

Reality Millions is registered as an International Business and International Trust Company (IBIT)
Registered Name: RM Private Trust

aka ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation
ref UC6161

[Scambaiter]

I'm assuming that is the reply you have had from Mr Cerps.

Some of Mr Vilnis Laurins's fake banks have now been taken offline too. www.itbankinggroup.com no longer exists (This was the bank Midas originally claimed he banked with!) www.swissunionbankinggroup.com has also been shut down as has www.westernbankinggroup.com All of these were based at the same address as ITB Group.

What legitimate business invests in fake banks and fake companies?

So to sum up, Realty Millions claims to be based in the Channel Islands where it does not appear on the Regulators list of companies, which legally it must.

It claims to be part of "ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation" which has official warnings from the UK Regulator issued against it.

The regulator where ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation is based also states it is not registerd and therefore operating illegally.

Fake Fake Fake.

It's a scam.

[Lawyer]

ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation is registered in Panama and has been cooperating with the authorities to shut down Reality Millions. It is my understanding that they shut Mr. Venter down as soon as they understood that he was running a ponzi. They definitly are not part of the Reality Million group. Mr. Venter's attempt to used them backfired.

[Scambaiter]

Lawyer, do you know if this is the same "ITBG Securities" that has had warnings issued or is this (as I suspect) another case of identity theft?

In other words is the ITBG that claims to have offices in Latvia and looks to be fake different to the one in Panama that may well be a legitamate outfit?

[Lawyer]

Dear Scambaiter

To answer your question directly: it is unclear. Idenity theft is a serious problem for companies as well as private individuals.

I know that ITBG was the subject of an idenity theft about a year ago in Switerland and that they do have a related Latvian registered company that permits them to get mail in Latvia. The Panama company is not registered in Latvia and does no business in Latvia and their web page had a Panama address for the Panama company.

Latvia is now part of the EU and the regulatory control over the provision of financial services requires them to cooperated with the UK. If the UK has issued a warning, it may have to do with the confusinon over idenity. I am aware that the UK sent material to the Latvian authorities concerning a complaint from a person in the UK. That, after a two year litigation, resulted in a $1.3 million judgment against the complaining party.

I would expect Mr. Ventur to point fingers in all directions excecpt his own.

[Scambaiter]

I would say that there is a high probability of identity theft then. From what I gather the Swiss and Latvian outfits are connected.

When www.itbankinggroup.com was still alive it claimed it was part of ITBG Securities. From a cache of it's site:

Image updated 2005-01-21
Website Title: :: International Trust Banking Group ::
Meta Description: Exclusive offshore banking lending source specializing in assest protection, solutions for solving financial problems and achievieng financial goals, managed accounts, investments, trusts, international project finance, loans against securities.
Meta Keywords: banking, accounts, investments, trusts, projects, financing, securities, loans, protection, international
Response Code: 200
SSL Cert: mmm1116.verio-web.com SSL is expired!
DMOZ Directory: Commercial_Lending
DMOZ Title: IT Banking Group
DMOZ Description: Provides financing on shares, government debt instruments, and letters of credit.
Server Type: Rapidsite/Apa/1.3.31 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.17 OpenSSL/0.9.7c
IP Address: 198.173.252.234 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: - Michigan - Detroit - Verio Inc
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois History: 6 records stored
Record Type: Domain Name
Monitor: Monitor or Backorder
Wildcard search: 'itbankinggroup' or 'it banking group' in all domains.
Other TLDs: .com .net .org .info .biz .us
X [5 available domains]

Name Server: NS11A.VERIO-WEB.COM NS11B.VERIO-WEB.COM
ICANN Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
Created: 17-feb-2000
Expires: 17-feb-2006
Status: ACTIVE


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Domain Name.......... itbankinggroup.com
Creation Date........ 2000-02-18
Registration Date.... 2000-02-18
Expiry Date.......... 2006-02-18
Organisation Name.... I T Banking Group
Organisation Address. Ganu iela 6-22
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Riga
Organisation Address. LV-1010
Organisation Address. RIGA RAYONS
Organisation Address. LATVIA

Admin Name........... Vilnis Laurins
Admin Address........ Ganu iela 6-22
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Riga
Admin Address........ LV-1010
Admin Address........ RIGA RAYONS
Admin Address........ LATVIA
Admin Email..........
Admin Phone.......... 371733-6065
Admin Fax............ 733-4161

Tech Name............ Verio Hostmaster
Tech Address......... 5050 Blue Lake Dr.
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Boca Raton
Tech Address......... 33431
Tech Address......... FL
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email...........
Tech Phone........... 888-663-6648
Tech Fax............. 888-663-6655
Name Server.......... ns11a.verio-web.com
Name Server.......... ns11b.verio-web.com

This has been proven to be a fake bank and has been removed.

This is very probably the outfit the FSA is warning about.

[Lawyer]

Dear Scambaiter
I agree. "Midas" has tried to steal the idenity of ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation. This is clear from what Midas/Venter or one of their shills has posted at: http://www.hyi-center.net/listings/viewtopic.47.html
It appears that they had a securities account with ITBG, a securities firm, which had a bank account with a normal bank and Midas/Venter representd themselves to be ITBG. The people at ITBG Securities Underwriters Corporation are not happy and have complained to the authorities.

[Scambaiter]

I bet they are not happy!

He is a smart mover is Midas but it's the tiny details that catch you out. When you start stealing other companies names you can land in a load of trouble.

Just ask Gareth Davies what happens. :D

[StandUP]

Has anyone tried to access this site lately?

http://cattyshaq.com/forum/modules....9f60cfff805e8d8

I keep getting an "account suspended" message.

I thought it was a legit site...maybe not.

[Publisher1]

Cattyshaq is a victim of a "Joe Job" probably perpetuated by the diabolical con artists behind Reality Millions.

See this:

http://www.mypants.com/

and this:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/new...m&rnum=1&hl=en

I'll post further updates when they are available.

[StandUP]

Cattyshaq is a victim of a "Joe Job" probably perpetuated by the diabolical con artists behind Reality Millions.

I don't think I would hang my reputation on "probably". It's statements like this that totally bugger up efforts at reporting the truth.

Don't let your zeal to be right get in the way of the facts.


S

[Cattysha]

You're right, StandUP. It could be any of the scum that we discused on my site.

Do you have any idea who was behind it?

[Publisher1]

Here are a few further links describing what a "joe job" is all about. (It is a term I didn't know existed until tonight).

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/sab...coping-joe-job

and

http://members.cox.net/joejob/

Cattyshaq will be back once this mess is cleaned up!

[mum at home]

I have just acctivated a site with RM as it goes private in two weeks and didnt want to loose the opportunity to check it out ( only heard of it last week), and really what is $49 to loose. The person that refered me to the site has cashed two checks that she photocopied, apparently illegal, just to show those that need a little convincing. I am not a big believer in internet trading, a little conservative maybe, but it looks legitimate. If I invest $100 today, in three years I could have $212000.00 . Now tell me that if it does work you couldnt spare $100 for the possibility of that kind of return. I want my kids to have a good start in life and $100 doesnt buy much these days, so fingers crossed to me and all the others out there that are little aussie batlers and need a hand in life. Giday to all the aussies out there.

[Cattysha]

but it looks legitimate. If I invest $100 today, in three years I could have $212000.00

Maybe you need to seek advice from someone you trust. Throwing away your childrens money $100 at a time isn't doing anything for them. Perhaps they will learn from mommies mistakes...that's if you aren't too ashamed to admit how foolish you were with their 'future'.

[Scambaiter]

Apparantly you are no longer "investing" in RM you are lending money to them

See http://www.rmtraining.net/dosdonts.htm

"Do talk to members about how you or others have LOANED money into one or more of the Midas Funds."

I also found this interesting

"DON’T part with any money you can not afford to loose."

When it says on the RM website

"Is there a guarantee?
Yes, I personally guarantee every external deposit you make into Reality Millions. You can read more about this in the "General Policies" section."

[dumbexperts.com]

Originally Posted by stik2it

Actually, yes, an opinion from a person such as yourself who has written several editorials warning opportunity seekers of the perils concerning online businesses, may be interesting. That is unless you have no knowledge of RM and if that's the case, you're in the wrong thread dude !

stik2it

Enjoy the bad PR as one of the forums you post get exposed a bogus scam reporting forum.

Dumbexperts

[Scambaiter]

Originally Posted by dumbexperts.com

Enjoy the bad PR as one of the forums you post get exposed a bogus scam reporting forum.

Dumbexperts

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Is English not your first language?

[dumbexperts.com]

Oh Another ignorant Basher speaks, how very nice.

Since you have commited the carnal sin of the internet ethics 101. never make an issue on peoples spelling errors. Whats the matter. Running out of things to bash?

Dumbexperts.

[Scambaiter]

I don't see any spelling errors in your post, it just makes no sense at all.

Sums you up really doesn't it.

[dumbexperts.com]

Look you fool.. Never make an issue on peoples spelling errors. Well I never said anything of the such that you accused me of making spelling errors. I said not to make an issue of it.

Geeze you have some short attention span since you developed an unhealthy fixation towards Reality Millions and PIPS.

Dumbexperts

[StandUP]

There's really no need to criticize someone for their spelling errors, let's stay on topic here.

S

[Fletch Underwood]

Dumbexperts: the post in question makes no sense grammatically. It doesn't make much sense in any context, as a matter of fact. There were no spelling errors in the post. No one is criticizing your spelling. Scambaiter was simply pointing out that no one was able to understand your post because it made no sense. Perhaps you should rewrite your post so that it makes sense, and quit complaining that people are bashing you for making spelling mistakes. Because no one is bashing you for making spelling mistakes. Get it?

[Scambaiter]

At last, somebody reads and understands!

[Plect]

Originally Posted by Fletch Underwood

MATTIE summarizes the decision thusly: "That must make off-shore trading legal." MATTIE, you are either a scammer yourself, or a complete idiot. Please tell us which. Now there's some suspense for y'all.

Mattie's comment struck me as deliberately sarcastic.

[VoiceofTruth]

Sites down....says new site coming in two weeks....we'll see!!

[madmanmarcus]

Glad I didn't send my $49.00 in. I don't have it to waste. I was in sales & marketing for years, but I can't seem to find any legitimate work at home etc., offers. All of the 35-40 "make money with your computer; over the internet, etc.," companies I have considered have been listed as a scam. I may not have lost any money, but I lost a lot of time checking them out. I don't really have any of that to waste either. Is there any good news out there?

[venastop]

Yup - there's plenty if you look hard enough, but don't believe everything you read, even if many say it's a scam! - it may not be, do your own research!

[Nipples Skyward]

Huh. So where oh where did the Scamming RM go?

July 4th - the last day of their supposed mystery 'upgrade' and POOF...

NOTHING.

All the idiots who flushed your $$$ down the RM toilet - you got what was coming to you.

[madmanmarcus]

Screw-it. I decided to build my own web-site dedicated to offering products & services that can help a person start to make money now. 40 hours later I sought help from a cousin who is a msce. I finally was able to find a trial for an automated web-builder, so if my domain name web-hosting company really sends me my e-mail to allow me into my place in cyber-space I might actually have a web-site (obviously still under construction) to upload. Talk about a rude awakening. It's like learning to be fluent in a second language with a time limit of less than a week. Necessity may be the mother of invention, but right now its just a MOTHER! Wish me luck?! :D

[cneilson]

Originally Posted by madmanmarcus

Screw-it. I decided to build my own web-site dedicated to offering products & services that can help a person start to make money now. 40 hours later I sought help from a cousin who is a msce. I finally was able to find a trial for an automated web-builder, so if my domain name web-hosting company really sends me my e-mail to allow me into my place in cyber-space I might actually have a web-site (obviously still under construction) to upload. Talk about a rude awakening. It's like learning to be fluent in a second language with a time limit of less than a week. Necessity may be the mother of invention, but right now its just a MOTHER! Wish me luck?! :D

Best of luck. Running your own business isn't always fun or pretty, and it's not easy, but if you work at it and have a decent product, it can be very rewarding.

Colin

[madmanmarcus]

Thank you. Domain name/web hosting company DID send e-mail. Hopefully I will have my site up in cyberspace in the next 48hrs. Obviously, developing the site will be an on-going project for quite sometime & I will always continue to hunt for valid products and services to offer within it.

[madmanmarcus]

Oh, by the way, I got my domain name/web-hosting and assorted goodies for 35.00 a year. Much, much better than flushing money down the RM toilet. At least I have a year to work on making back my investment and profiting from it as well. Thanks again scam.com. I did manage to get my site up in cyber-space, but it is still way more of a shell then a fully functional site. If anyone would care to view the early stages of my 1st attempt at building an online business and web-site the address is www.makeyourmoneynow.net. Constructive criticism is always welcome. :D

[mum at home]

I have invested in reality millions and been reading all the posts to see if maybe i had made a big mistake with my very little investment. you never really can tell if it is a scam or not until you have been well, scamed. all the talk in the world won't count for much until i go to draw my money and it does or maybe does not arrive. did any of you go to the reality millions conference in sydney on the 4th of july. it was great and meeting everybody from behind the inner workings was a confidence booster big time. i was falling on the side of sceptic and thinking that i had thrown good money away but now i know where things are headed and that my confidence in actually being able to cash my cheques is growing daily along with the componding interest that i am earning. for all the sceptics i am sorry that you couldnt muster a little faith in the human spirit. you never know there may be another opportuniy for you one day, until then, goodbye.

[LittleDigit]

Mum At Home is nothing but a shill for the scam called Reality Millions. She will lead you astray. RM is going down faster than PIPS did. Stay away from it.

[Fletch Underwood]

RM is not "going down" anywhere. It is already gone. Along with all your money.

Madmanmarcus - let me get this straight. You are going online to promote products that are going to "help people to start making money", but you have no idea what products can actually do that? In other words, you are going to fleece people out of their money and want us to wish you luck in doing so? Why, you must be a madm... oh never mind, you already figured that out for yourself.