report scams here at scam.com dont get scammed Scams and Scammers - Expose hypocrisy and spread respect ! Don't get ripped off! REGISTER
Go Back   scams > Scam Message Board > MLM Scams
Register FAQ Register To Post Member List Promote Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #73  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:19 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Most industries experience a level of saturation, it's just that some of the individual companies maintain enough of a market share to make business operations worth while. MLM disregards this, which is why many reps continue to operate at a loss.

I worked for a restaurant once. Unfortunately, they were in an area surrounded by fast food joints and other sit down restaurants. They still managed to turn a profit, though barely. It was enough to keep their doors open, but not enough for the owners investment to be worth while. I believe they've since closed down.

It's not always cut and dry and night and day, this saturation business. There is a fine line between a marketable business and product line, and one you should avoid. This is true of certain industries, companies, and products....and MLM in general.
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.


Reply With Quote

  #74  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:28 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
Most industries experience a level of saturation, it's just that some of the individual companies maintain enough of a market share to make business operations worth while. MLM disregards this, which is why many reps continue to operate at a loss.

I worked for a restaurant once. Unfortunately, they were in an area surrounded by fast food joints and other sit down restaurants. They still managed to turn a profit, though barely. It was enough to keep their doors open, but not enough for the owners investment to be worth while. I believe they've since closed down.

It's not always cut and dry and night and day, this saturation business. There is a fine line between a marketable business and product line, and one you should avoid. This is true of certain industries, companies, and products....and MLM in general.
Geez you talk some rubbish!
Distributors don't make it pay because they don't learn the skills and apply them, nothing to do with saturation.
I speak to people every day who have never heard of network marketing/MLM. If I speak to a hundred people, 98 of them have never heard of MLM.

Here is someone who knows about saturation and this was written in 1993 and people were talking about saturation then! Nearly 20 years later and old companies like Amway are having record sales!
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #75  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:36 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Here's what I'd say to someone who says they've never heard of MLM or network marketing:

"Have you at least heard of Amway?"
"No??? Do you have a television? Do you live in the world?"
"Are you 14 or older?"
"What DO you know then...about anything? What color is the sky? Do you know your own name?"
"Have you heard of pyramid scheme's at least?"
"No? Ok, then you are intentionally being dense. Go get your mom or day, I need to speak to a real adult."

Yet Doyle probably thinks that some rube who knows nothing of MLM would be a perfect prospect for his "business opportunity"...
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.

Reply With Quote

  #76  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:39 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
Here's what I'd say to someone who says they've never heard of MLM or network marketing:

"Have you at least heard of Amway?"
"No??? Do you have a television? Do you live in the world?"
"Are you 14 or older?"
"What DO you know then...about anything? What color is the sky? Do you know your own name?"
"Have you heard of pyramid scheme's at least?"
"No? Ok, then you are intentionally being dense. Go get your mom or day, I need to speak to a real adult."

Yet Doyle probably thinks that some rube who knows nothing of MLM would be a perfect prospect for his "business opportunity"...
And we wonder why you failed.........
I don't...its pretty obvious.
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #77  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:42 AM
James R's Avatar
James R James R is offline
I'm no crook...my upline told me to do it!
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,608
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle View Post
I speak to people every day who have never heard of network marketing/MLM. If I speak to a hundred people, 98 of them have never heard of MLM.
Next time substitute the misleading MLM/DS crap you use on the trail with "pyramid scheme".

I guarantee 98 out of 100 will know.
__________________
Excited about Nopalea Cactus Juice? Learn how to make your own for FREE!
Don't be another "$50 a bottle" sucker....best of all you know exaclty what's in it. Click HERE.


Here's a good one....
"That's why I changed my 'story'".
Where else can you find this nonsense besides here?

Reply With Quote

  #78  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:44 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

To be fair Doyle, today is not one of your better days on scam.comedy. Usually you wait until mid-afternoon to start contradicting yourself and posting silly google images, but I guess today you figured you'd get a jumpstart on it.
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.

Reply With Quote

  #79  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:47 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
To be fair Doyle, today is not one of your better days on scam.comedy. Usually you wait until mid-afternoon to start contradicting yourself and posting silly google images, but I guess today you figured you'd get a jumpstart on it.
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #80  
Old 05-22-2012, 08:51 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

I suspected as much. You're just itchin' for another bannin' ain't you Doyle?

Wanna just skip to the Ad Homs and get this puppy over with? Why go through all the troll formalities? Just cut to the chase.
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.

Reply With Quote

  #81  
Old 05-22-2012, 09:05 AM
Once Upon a Time Once Upon a Time is offline
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 4,668
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle View Post
What if they offered you a training course and then an executive wage plus shares and bonuses. Would you turn it down because you considered the vacuum business saturated because everyone has one. Or, the tv business. Or the shoe business...everyone has shoes, are these saturated businesses?
If the key to making money was product sales, like in the shoe or TV business, then a business that produces something with a limited lifespan would be unlikely to saturate a market and their bigger danger would be competition. In MLM, the key to making money is recruitment, and other than new births, the possible sales are limited to the adult population of the planet. Competition is unimportant because they don't produce competitive products and count on other methods to generate sales. Thus, saturation would be met quickly from basic mathematics.

Reply With Quote

  #82  
Old 05-22-2012, 09:14 AM
Once Upon a Time Once Upon a Time is offline
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 4,668
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle View Post
I speak to people every day who have never heard of network marketing/MLM. If I speak to a hundred people, 98 of them have never heard of MLM.
Do you limit yourself to speaking to people under the age of thirteen?

If only 1 out of 50 people that you speak to has heard of MLM, then you are apparently focusing on the truly ignorant and uneducated. Not surprising that your prime customers(victims) would be people who are unaware of what you are trying to sell to them.

Reply With Quote

  #83  
Old 05-22-2012, 10:15 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

No, seriously. If I was talking to an adult that never heard of network marketing, MLM, or pyramid schemes, then I would be in a state of shock and amazement.

Sometimes people may not have heard of a specific term, like MLM. Or they may not recognize what you are talking about as something they've encountered previously, eventhough it's the same thing. I mean, who hasn't heard of Avon, or been propositioned to sell tupperwear? Even when I was 18 and pitched on Amway, I had heard of Amway before that, not to mention other MLMs. And this was before the internetz!

Doesn't matter, Doyle knows that at best, only a small fraction of people don't know what MLM is. He's always tries to pull the exception to the rule to prove you wrong, as do most people you argue with on the internet. But it comes down to a simple fact. Most people have heard of MLM. Most people run for the hills when they hear you talk about it. That's why MLM is a saturated business opportunity.
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.



Reply With Quote

  #84  
Old 05-22-2012, 10:30 AM
ohein56's Avatar
ohein56 ohein56 is offline
The fly in your Anti-MLM ointment...
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern, California
Posts: 13,179
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
No, seriously. If I was talking to an adult that never heard of network marketing, MLM, or pyramid schemes, then I would be in a state of shock and amazement.
7 Billion people on the planet, and you 'think' you've figured out what they know or not re:MLM/DS?!

Man, you are friggin DELUSIONAL!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
Sometimes people may not have heard of a specific term, like MLM. Or they may not recognize what you are talking about as something they've encountered previously, eventhough it's the same thing. I mean, who hasn't heard of Avon, or been propositioned to sell tupperwear?
Don't have a clue, you seem to have it ALL figured out for all 7 BILLION people on the planet, you tell us, hotshot!


(Fascinating thing, the mind of a bigot...)

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
Even when I was 18 and pitched on Amway, I had heard of Amway before that, not to mention other MLMs. And this was before the internetz!
And because you figured this out all by yourself, the rest of the world did too, by sheer osmosis, huh?!

WOW! Simply Amazing!! ...the entire world re.volves around you? Incredible...

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
Doesn't matter, Doyle knows that at best, only a small fraction of people don't know what MLM is.
And you've come to this conclusion HOW?

Did you do a survey?

Oh wait, it's all in your MIND, I get it...

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
He's always tries to pull the exception to the rule to prove you wrong, as do most people you argue with on the internet. But it comes down to a simple fact. Most people have heard of MLM. Most people run for the hills when they hear you talk about it. That's why MLM is a saturated business opportunity.
Just a suggestion, get out of your head, get out in the real world once in a while.

It'll do you some good!

Bigot.
__________________
If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking.
― Benjamin Franklin
Armed neutrality makes it much easier to detect hypocrisy.
― Criss Jami
BEWARE:Joecool44, aka 'joecool', anti-MLM fanatic, Trolls here anonymously!!
Click Here!
Joecools ugliest LIE!...~"I'm not hiding my identity."
Some common sense Re:MLM/DS can be found, here...!! Click Here

Reply With Quote

  #85  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:29 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Once Upon a Time View Post
If the key to making money was product sales, like in the shoe or TV business, then a business that produces something with a limited lifespan would be unlikely to saturate a market and their bigger danger would be competition. In MLM, the key to making money is recruitment, and other than new births, the possible sales are limited to the adult population of the planet. Competition is unimportant because they don't produce competitive products and count on other methods to generate sales. Thus, saturation would be met quickly from basic mathematics.
Product sales are the only way you can make money, otherwise it would be illegal.
Hope this helps.
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #86  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:30 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Once Upon a Time View Post
Do you limit yourself to speaking to people under the age of thirteen?

If only 1 out of 50 people that you speak to has heard of MLM, then you are apparently focusing on the truly ignorant and uneducated. Not surprising that your prime customers(victims) would be people who are unaware of what you are trying to sell to them.
Under 13 would be a waste of time, you must be of legal age to do MLM.
I dont try to sell them anything, I solve their problems.
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #87  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:31 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
No, seriously. If I was talking to an adult that never heard of network marketing, MLM, or pyramid schemes, then I would be in a state of shock and amazement.

Sometimes people may not have heard of a specific term, like MLM. Or they may not recognize what you are talking about as something they've encountered previously, eventhough it's the same thing. I mean, who hasn't heard of Avon, or been propositioned to sell tupperwear? Even when I was 18 and pitched on Amway, I had heard of Amway before that, not to mention other MLMs. And this was before the internetz!

Doesn't matter, Doyle knows that at best, only a small fraction of people don't know what MLM is. He's always tries to pull the exception to the rule to prove you wrong, as do most people you argue with on the internet. But it comes down to a simple fact. Most people have heard of MLM. Most people run for the hills when they hear you talk about it. That's why MLM is a saturated business opportunity.

I'm in MLM and have been for quite a few years, but I've never been pitched on Amway and neither have any of my friends and family.
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #88  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:34 AM
needs2stop's Avatar
needs2stop needs2stop is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,632
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle View Post
I'm in MLM and have been for quite a few years, but I've never been pitched on Amway and neither have any of my friends and family.
You're also in Britain, not America. But either way, you've heard of Amway. Which was my point.

Also, how would you know what your family has been pitched on in the past? Lemme guess, you just assumed that.
__________________
There is not one woman on this planet capable of finishing an entire can of soda.

Reply With Quote

  #89  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:38 AM
ChrisDoyle's Avatar
ChrisDoyle ChrisDoyle is offline
Most Valued Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 18,748
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
You're also in Britain, not America. But either way, you've heard of Amway. Which was my point.
I'm in MLM, of course I've heard of Amway and they've been in Britain for many years, so much for your saturation theory.

Quote:
Also, how would you know what your family has been pitched on in the past? Lemme guess, you just assumed that.
Duh...because I've spoken with them about MLM.
Where's that facepalm picture?
__________________
The musings of joecool44:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
About 10 minutes later:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joecool44
Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
Quote:
By the way, I only change links when people make personal (unsubstantiated) attacks on me. I find it works quite effectively when I employ that tactic.

Reply With Quote

  #90  
Old 05-22-2012, 12:00 PM
ohein56's Avatar
ohein56 ohein56 is offline
The fly in your Anti-MLM ointment...
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern, California
Posts: 13,179
Re: BBB Top Ten Scams......No MLM!

Quote:
Originally Posted by needs2stop View Post
You're also in Britain, not America. But either way, you've heard of Amway. Which was my point.

Also, how would you know what your family has been pitched on in the past? Lemme guess, you just assumed that.
OMG!!! How do you know what all 7 Billion people on the planet are aware of or not?!

2 funny!
__________________
If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking.
― Benjamin Franklin
Armed neutrality makes it much easier to detect hypocrisy.
― Criss Jami
BEWARE:Joecool44, aka 'joecool', anti-MLM fanatic, Trolls here anonymously!!
Click Here!
Joecools ugliest LIE!...~"I'm not hiding my identity."
Some common sense Re:MLM/DS can be found, here...!! Click Here


Reply With Quote

Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PTC scams miker31567 Internet Scams 5 10-07-2011 04:34 PM
Here Are My Thoughts On Wah Scams/internet Scams MikeDeezy Work at Home Scams 4 02-17-2008 05:54 PM
Are GPP and ICC scams? stopscammers Internet Scams 1 11-02-2006 06:40 PM
New forum dedicated to stopping online scams: online-scams.org/forums gareth Internet Scams 3 02-09-2006 10:42 AM

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




This site may contain advice, opinions and statements of various information providers. Scam.com does not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any advice, opinion, statement or other information provided by any information provider, any User of this Site or any other person or entity. Reliance upon any such advice, opinion, statement, or other information shall also be at the Userís own risk. Neither Scam.com nor its affiliates, nor any of their respective agents, employees, information providers or content providers, shall be liable to any User or anyone else for any inaccuracy, error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, alteration of or use of any content herein, or for its timeliness or completeness, nor shall they be liable for any failure of performance, computer virus or communication line failure, regardless of cause, or for any damages resulting therefrom. Just because a business, person, or entity is listed on scam.com does not necessarily constitute they are scammers. This is a free open forum where people can debate the merits from the consumer's or business owner's perspective. Registration and participation is always FREE.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:58 PM.




Scam.com Is Proudly Hosted By Rackco and Protected By CloudFlare


Scams Message Board - Copyright 2004-2013 Scam.com , All Rights Reserved.