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Old 08-18-2006, 01:50 PM
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ffi - fuel freedom international

hey folks!

i'm a new member of scam.com and i'm from europe.
a guy presented me the mlm system of fuel freedom international.

have somebody of u experiences with that?

everything sounds great... like always...
is it a scam or something that is serious?

http://www.cele65.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp

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Old 08-18-2006, 05:03 PM
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Fuel saver "products" never save fuel. They are fraud. EPA tested 100 different "fuel saver products" over last few years and found that none of them improved MPG.

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The MPG-Caps&trade have had third party tests conducted and we are registered with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
So where are the test data? Who is the third parting tester? Where is the link to EPA registration and their approval?
Nowhere. They are baloney.




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Old 08-18-2006, 05:13 PM
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You are a moron. I will leave your REFERRAL LINK up just because nobody is going to fall for it.

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hey folks!

i'm a new member of scam.com and i'm from europe.
a guy presented me the mlm system of fuel freedom international.

have somebody of u experiences with that?

everything sounds great... like always...
is it a scam or something that is serious?

http://www.cele65.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp

thanks!


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Old 08-19-2006, 01:44 AM
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You are a moron. I will leave your REFERRAL LINK up just because nobody is going to fall for it.
Wow!!

amgis sounds really excited!


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Old 08-19-2006, 07:24 AM
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Fuel saver "products" never save fuel. They are fraud. EPA tested 100 different "fuel saver products" over last few years and found that none of them improved MPG.



So where are the test data? Who is the third parting tester? Where is the link to EPA registration and their approval?
Nowhere. They are baloney.
The test results are on the front page of every FFI distributors' replicated website, including the "testers" and the EPA registration number. You're welcome to your opinion, but the facts are available. Here's my personal experience - 20% improvement in fuel economy, greatly reduced emissions per my official state inspection report.

Since cele65's referral link was allowed to stay I don't need to post mine. The results you ask about are on the left side of the first page. The stuff works.


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Old 08-19-2006, 08:23 AM
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The test results are on the front page of every FFI distributors' replicated website, including the "testers" and the EPA registration number. You're welcome to your opinion, but the facts are available. Here's my personal experience - 20% improvement in fuel economy, greatly reduced emissions per my official state inspection report.
Sorry for not noticing testing link. My bet.

What was the third party professional lab facility name? It seems like they "tested" cars themselves. That does not count by the way and very unprofessional. Professional way is to bring product to EPA or any reputable US?Europe lab, to pay $15,000 and get unequivocal results.

Now to real bull. I see results from 1994/1995. It is also mentioned that MPG-BOOST is EPA registered.

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EPA registration is not an endorsement of the product or a validation of any of the manufacturer's claims. It simply ensures that the product is safe for your car and the environment.
So sometimes since 1994, MPG-BOOST managed to get tested by EPA. Now, you want to tell me that company paid thousands of dollars for safety test and forgot to test for MPG efficiency? They either failed the test, intensionally did not test MPG-BOOST or the whole mention of EPA registration is a scam. In all three cases company looks bad.


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Old 08-19-2006, 09:24 AM
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I searched EPA for MPG-BOOST, MPG-Caps and their "registration id" provided by some FFI websites. Nothing.

For some additional info go to www.hawaiionline.biz and search for ABC report named FFI MPG Gas Pill.


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Old 08-19-2006, 09:42 AM
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I do not want to confuse anybody with the facts, but here's an independent testing...
I think the guy is pretty credible.
Decide for yourself! Buy a pack of ten MPG-CAPs and try it. It costs $20, not much money to loose. And if it works, great.


MPG-CAPS™
Combustion Analysis
By Jerry Lang
Jerry Lang has more than 40 years of combustion experience and a strong background in refining processes. As the owner and operator of Jerry Lang Combustion Consulting, he is currently designing and overseeing combustion projects for four refineries, including efforts to lower emissions and improve efficiencies.
Mr. Lang has served as a combustion consultant to virtually all of the major oil companies and 95% of the refineries, including ChevronTexaco, Chevron Phillips, ARCO, Shell, Kraft, Exxon, Mobil, and Dow Chemical. At Exxon, Mr. Lang developed ways to improve efficiency by retrofitting the tankers of the company. He also served as the combustion auditor to Chevron on their Richmond Nitrous Oxide (Nox) Reduction Project, worth in excess of $300 million. In addition, Mr. Lang has completed projects in Norway and is currently contributing to an ongoing project in Qatar.
In 1967, Mr. Lang established his own business where he developed and patented several products related to combustion and incineration. He also served as Manager of Combustion Systems for Howe Baker Engineers where he helped develop ways to improve refining operations. Mr. Lang was also recruited by Dr. Edward Teller, the primary developer of the hydrogen bomb, for four years on an alternate fuels project doing combustion tests.
Mr. Lang has extensive experience designing equipment utilized in reducing emissions from stationary sources such as refineries, power plants, and industrial operations. He also contributed to the development of the equipment used during the clean up of the Alaska oil spill. Over the years he has also done work on systems to improve mileage in automobiles, such as installing a vaporizer in the exhaust to vaporize the gasoline prior to intake and working on steam injection in automobiles.
Mr. Lang holds 17 patents, including 13 combustion-related patents. Three of his patented emission reduction processes have been sold all around the world, bringing in revenue of $800 million to-date. He holds a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from University of Texas and is also a certified machinist.
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Jerry Lang FFI - Rev 1.02.doc
Analysis
I became interested in the MPG-CAPS™ being marketed through FFI because of my past 40 years experience in the combustion and refining industry. One of my employees brought the product to me, and I was immediately skeptical because of my past experience with products making similar claims. I have seen and tested numerous fuel additives that claim to clean engines, increase performance, and increase fuel mileage. Many claim to lower emissions in burners. I have been a developer of combustion products for years and have patented several burner and combustion related technologies. My technologies are used extensively in the petrochemical, industrial, and commercial markets worldwide. I have personally tested several ideas with the specific intent of increasing efficiency in gasoline and diesel engines. My initial intent was to disprove the MPG-CAPS™ claims. I have emission tests and other equipment in my facility.
I was surprised when I first tested the vehicle of my employee who was using the MPG-CAPS™ and compared it to my identical vehicle without the MPG-CAPS™. I found a surprising reduction of emissions on the vehicle using the MPG-CAPS™. My employee wanted me to use the MPG-CAPS™ in my truck, but I decided to monitor my mileage and emissions to get a baseline first. After closely monitoring my mileage and emissions for about 1000 miles, I started using the MPG-CAPS™ as specified. At the conclusion of 1000 miles, my truck was getting 14% better mileage, and emissions were reduced by almost 75%. This result did get my attention, so I started an extensive research effort on the product. My conclusion based on my own testing, combusting experience, and research is that the product clearly does work and is scientifically and technically sound. The following is my explanation of the product from a combustion expert’s viewpoint. I did sign a nondisclosure agreement with the manufacturer and owner of the technology in order to get information for this paper and cannot disclose any trade secrets. I will attempt to describe the product and process in a way that will help to reduce confusion and answer critics.
What is it?
The basic technology involves ******metalic chemistry. ******metalic discoveries date back to the 1800’s when an ethylene complex of platinum was prepared, and metal carbonyl, tetracarbony nickel was synthesized; however, the structure of such complexes was difficult to deduce using chemical methods of that day. With the 1950’s development of NMR and single crystal x-ray diffraction, methods were then available to solve the structures of these complexes.
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With the advent of computerization, a rapid growth in the study of ******metallic compounds ensued. By the 1970’s, ******metallic compounds were being used as burn rate accelerators for solid fuel rockets. The Nobel Prize 1974 was awarded to Earnst Fisher and Geoffrey Wilkinson for their contribution to the field.
The development of these complexes for use in internal combustion engines has always been a scientific goal. As is found in any developing technology, you will find periods of success and times of less activity. The MPG-CAPS™ compound is the result of space-age continuation of a proven technology in its latest stage.
How Does it Work?
The MPG-CAPS™ compound uses the fuel (gas or diesel) as a carrier to deliver it into the engine combustion chamber where it actually does its work. The ingredients in the MPG-CAPS™ are used to treat the combustion chamber metal surfaces. A film is formed on all the surfaces. Technically, the film is thermally derived oxidation. The carboxylic metal creates an oxide residue on the hot surfaces at the time of combustion.
A simple similar example of this is the scorching of a pan when cooking. We are all familiar with how a residue from cooking will form a layer on a pan if the food is overheated. In most cooking cases, the amount of material oxidized is of sufficient quantity to form a heavy film. However, if you scrub the pan many times, the film will get so thin that all you see is discoloration with a film so thin it appears to be part of the pan impregnating the pours of the metal.
The high temperature in the cylinder of an engine combined with the small amount of material that will oxidize or carbon out produces a very thin layer very rapidly. This film coats the walls of the cylinder, the piston face, and the fire deck.
Once this film is deposited, it provides several benefits. First, it changes the surface heat absorption characteristics of metal. Note: The greatest loss in efficiency in an automobile engine is the loss of heat. Heat is energy released by the fuel, and air mixture as it burns producing a heat spike, which creates expansion used to drive the piston down. The cylinder walls and head are water cooled, and the piston is oil cooled. The film inhibits the transfer of radiant heat. This means higher combustion temperature, greater expansion, and more power. The second positive effect of the film is the provision of a surface to more evenly distribute the fuel. A polished surface tends to cause beading as a polished paint job. The micro film attracts the liquid fuel. More even fuel distribution better
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:43 AM
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Here's the second part

Jerry Lang FFI - Rev 1.02.doc
shapes the charge yielding more power. The third work of the film is being a catalyst precursor to react with the catalyst component in the MPG-CAPS™. With the temperature in the cylinder and the presence of the catalyst, a catalytic reaction occurs to promote better disassociation of chemicals and better burn. The catalytic reaction is also exothermic and produces heat. The combination of all the above produces 30 to 40% more expansion in the cylinder with an equal amount of fuel.
Changes in the automotive industry in the last 15 years have increased fuel efficiency. The EPA has mandated rules to lower emissions. Fuel manufacturers have removed lead and added oxygenates to fuel. These changes have caused modern vehicles to build harmful deposits that tend to soak up the fuel and cause performance problems. The MPG-CAPS™ provide a micro-thin coating that inhibits build-up of harmful deposits.
An added benefit of using the MPG-CAPS™ is lower emissions. The catalytic process found in catalytic converters on exhaust systems is started in the firing cylinder, which reduces the formation of nitrous oxides (NOx). The work required by the converter is reduced, and life of the converter is extended.
The film produced on the cylinder walls is a continuous process and is polished by the rings on the piston becoming a more durable surface than the original metal. Less wear will occur, and extended engine life should be the result.
In summary, I found many positive effects in using the MPG-CAPS™. I found no negative effects. Since most automobile engines burn fuel at over 99% efficiency, it is impossible to improve the combustion alone. However, by using more heat of combustion, shaping the burn, and using the catalytic process to start the reaction and disassociation of chemicals usually driven by heat, a more efficient burn is produced. A burn is produced that will provide more expansion in the cylinder, therefore requiring less fuel.
It is my opinion that the greatest positive effect is the fact that more heat produced by the combustion is being used. The extra heat causes greater expansion of gases, increasing power, and overall efficiency of the engine. Most fuel is burned to use the heat. In an automobile, the heat is basically wasted. In my past experiments and testing, I have proven heat recovery to be the only practical way to improve gas mileage on a modern engine. The process produced by the MPG-CAPS™ does use more of the heat generated, and the catalytic process produces additional heat. The use of FFI MPG-CAPS™ is a practical way to improve mileage, increase power, and extend engine life.
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Jerry Lang Test Procedure
In order to eliminate variables the following procedure was used.
1. I established a baseline miles per gallon number for highway driving.
I drove the 1998 Mercedes on highway trips only for 1313 miles.
2. I established a baseline miles per gallon for city or short trip driving.
I drove the 1998 Mercedes in city and short trips for 1051 miles.
It was established that my baseline miles per gallon were 26.18 for highway and for city it was 18.72.
3. I conditioned the car for 1620 miles prior to testing.
4. I started my first test with a full tank of gas and drove 273 miles and recorded highway and city driving. (200 highway and 73 city). I added 10 gallons of gas at this point. I repeated this procedure three more times as shown in the chart. I then drove 261 miles as shown and filled the tank. My reason for following this procedure was to minimize the fill up errors.
During this test I drove a total of 1420 miles and used a total of 54.32 gallons of gas. That is an average of 26.14 miles per gallon. In order to compare this to my baseline mileage I used the following procedure.
980 miles of the 1420 were highway so 980 divided by 26.18, which was my baseline mileage for the highway, equals 37.43 gallons of gas. 440 miles of the 1420 were city type so 440 divided by 18.72, which was my baseline city mileage, equals 23.50. The total baseline gallons would have been 60.94 without the MPG-CAPS™. The average mileage without the MPG-CAPS™ would have been 23.30 miles per gallon.
The number 2 test was conducted in the same manner. The average miles per gallon was 23.63 but after you do the calculations you still see around 12% savings in fuel or miles per gallon.


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Old 08-19-2006, 09:51 AM
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Testimonials, even with some data mean nothing. They can be easily fabricated.

Look here for more info at http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/mlm_gasoline.html

There are 40 EPA testing stations capable for MPG test. FFI or their ancestors could not find time in 12 years to test 1 car? Really? Just think about it?

Also claim about 75% of emission reduction(from Jerry Lang). If that were true, EPA would mandate using MPG-Caps in all cars. Car manufacturers would kill to buy this technology to meet future EPA standards. How can you trust a guy that makes such statement. So ridiculous.



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Old 08-20-2006, 05:37 AM
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Sorry for not noticing testing link. My bet.

What was the third party professional lab facility name?

It seems like they "tested" cars themselves. That does not count by the way and very unprofessional. Professional way is to bring product to EPA or any reputable US?Europe lab, to pay $15,000 and get unequivocal results.

Now to real bull. I see results from 1994/1995. It is also mentioned that MPG-BOOST is EPA registered.



So sometimes since 1994, MPG-BOOST managed to get tested by EPA. Now, you want to tell me that company paid thousands of dollars for safety test and forgot to test for MPG efficiency? They either failed the test, intensionally did not test MPG-BOOST or the whole mention of EPA registration is a scam. In all three cases company looks bad.

Southwest Laboratories, San Antonio TX


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Old 08-20-2006, 07:46 AM
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Southwest Laboratories, San Antonio TX
Wow. Can you give me a link to Southwest Laboratories test? If MPG-Booster passed Southwest Laboratories MPG test, it should not have problems on any EPA test.

By the way, are you talking about flash, certification or mpg test? Flash test proves safety during transportation of materials. Certification test proves that material is not dangerous to environment. These two tests are pretty easy, but MPG one is a kicker and the only one that matters.


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I PM'd it so scambuster doesn't go off on me.


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Old 08-20-2006, 02:47 PM
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I searched EPA for MPG-BOOST, MPG-Caps and their "registration id" provided by some FFI websites. Nothing.

For some additional info go to www.hawaiionline.biz and search for ABC report named FFI MPG Gas Pill.

FFI will NOT be a long term company and neither will any other "Gas Saving" company.

Here is why:

Both the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) and the FTC (Federal Trade Commission" have gone on the record and stated that any pill, liquid or device that purports to guarantee gas savings is a SCAM. It is a very plain statement.

Their (FTC and EPA) spokepersons were just on CNN Headline News the other night.

Clearly, FFI's materials GUARANTEES gas savings. I am not saying that the product has not worked for some of you; however the worg "GUARANTEE" is the key word becuase it did NOT work for the FTC and the EPA during their testing. Just as important, there are product users who have not saved on their gas either; Thus, they complain and become "victims".

Hence, it will fall into the category of "Deceptive Trade Practices". No 3rd party expert or testing "after the fact" will save them and they have already sold millions of dollars of product on what the government will say is "deceptive advertising".

In case you did not know, the state of FLORIDA is already investigating them.

http://myfloridalegal.com/lit_ec.nsf...2571790047313C

Allegation or issue being investigated:
Unfair/deceptive business practices in the sale of product that purports to make gasoline burn with greater efficiency without independent scientific testing to substantiate claim. Further, product is sold/distributed by means of multi-level marketing whereby the compensation is not based primarily on volume of bona fide sales. Possible violations of Florida Unfair or Deceptive Trade Practices Act, F.S. 501.201. et. seq., production and/or soliciting on behalf of a chain letter or pyramid club (F.S. 849.091).

AG unit handling case:
Economic Crimes Division in Orlando, Florida


FFI should NEVER GUARANTEED SAVINGS. This is their fatal error.


Just my opinion..........


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FFI will NOT be a long term company and neither will any other "Gas Saving" company.

Here is why:

Both the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) and the FTC (Federal Trade Commission" have gone on the record and stated that any pill, liquid or device that purports to guarantee gas savings is a SCAM. It is a very plain statement.

Their (FTC and EPA) spokepersons were just on CNN Headline News the other night.

Clearly, FFI's materials GUARANTEES gas savings. I am not saying that the product has not worked for some of you; however the worg "GUARANTEE" is the key word becuase it did NOT work for the FTC and the EPA during their testing. Just as important, there are product users who have not saved on their gas either; Thus, they complain and become "victims".

Hence, it will fall into the category of "Deceptive Trade Practices". No 3rd party expert or testing "after the fact" will save them and they have already sold millions of dollars of product on what the government will say is "deceptive advertising".

In case you did not know, the state of FLORIDA is already investigating them.

http://myfloridalegal.com/lit_ec.nsf...2571790047313C

Allegation or issue being investigated:
Unfair/deceptive business practices in the sale of product that purports to make gasoline burn with greater efficiency without independent scientific testing to substantiate claim. Further, product is sold/distributed by means of multi-level marketing whereby the compensation is not based primarily on volume of bona fide sales. Possible violations of Florida Unfair or Deceptive Trade Practices Act, F.S. 501.201. et. seq., production and/or soliciting on behalf of a chain letter or pyramid club (F.S. 849.091).

AG unit handling case:
Economic Crimes Division in Orlando, Florida


FFI should NEVER GUARANTEED SAVINGS. This is their fatal error.


Just my opinion..........
You are correct....to a point.

Offering a Guarantee is not the problem.

Should have just guaranteed satisfaction and should have been a "Satisfaction Guaranteed or you money back" or "100% money back guarantee"


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FFI will NOT be a long term company and neither will any other "Gas Saving" company.

Here is why:

Both the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) and the FTC (Federal Trade Commission" have gone on the record and stated that any pill, liquid or device that purports to guarantee gas savings is a SCAM. It is a very plain statement.

Their (FTC and EPA) spokepersons were just on CNN Headline News the other night.

Clearly, FFI's materials GUARANTEES gas savings. I am not saying that the product has not worked for some of you; however the worg "GUARANTEE" is the key word becuase it did NOT work for the FTC and the EPA during their testing. Just as important, there are product users who have not saved on their gas either; Thus, they complain and become "victims".

Hence, it will fall into the category of "Deceptive Trade Practices". No 3rd party expert or testing "after the fact" will save them and they have already sold millions of dollars of product on what the government will say is "deceptive advertising".

In case you did not know, the state of FLORIDA is already investigating them.

http://myfloridalegal.com/lit_ec.nsf...2571790047313C

Allegation or issue being investigated:
Unfair/deceptive business practices in the sale of product that purports to make gasoline burn with greater efficiency without independent scientific testing to substantiate claim. Further, product is sold/distributed by means of multi-level marketing whereby the compensation is not based primarily on volume of bona fide sales. Possible violations of Florida Unfair or Deceptive Trade Practices Act, F.S. 501.201. et. seq., production and/or soliciting on behalf of a chain letter or pyramid club (F.S. 849.091).

AG unit handling case:
Economic Crimes Division in Orlando, Florida


FFI should NEVER GUARANTEED SAVINGS. This is their fatal error.


Just my opinion..........
what is the latest with this company?


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what is the latest with this company?
Last I heard was that Earl Shaw and some other guy were boasting $35-$50,000 checks per month.

Just what the AGs have been waiting for. Like throwing chopped up, bloody fish in shark infested waters.


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Last I heard was that Earl Shaw and some other guy were boasting $35-$50,000 checks per month.

Just what the AGs have been waiting for. Like throwing chopped up, bloody fish in shark infested waters.

This adds the proverbial "fuel to the fire". It is BAD when people make large income claims, even if it is true, as it is : 1- Illegal 2- Gives the AG's more incentive, and rightfully so, to investigate.

Then the GUARANTEED SAVINGS CLAIM will be dismantled, a temporary injunction will be imposed and then all of the distributors will go elsewhere in a BIG HURRY!

It is SAD for everyone; including the entire industry!



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