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Old 03-16-2012, 06:52 PM
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Santorum Sabotages His Own Candidacy...AGAIN

Since alienating any LGBT citizens or women who would vote for him apparently wasn't enough, now he seems to want to eliminate any MEN who would have voted for him.

Rick Santorum Promises War On Porn Industry
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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum has promised to initiate a war on porn if elected.

“America is suffering a pandemic of harm from pornography. It contributes to misogyny and violence against women. It is a contributing factor to prostitution and sex trafficking,” the former Pennsylvania senator wrote in a statement posted on his campaign website.

Santorum has chosen the porn industry as his latest target in his effort to be viewed as the most conservative candidate in the GOP primary, ahead of opponent Mitt Romney. He believes that current obscenity laws should be more stringently enforced.

“Current federal ‘obscenity’ laws prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier,” Santorum wrote in the statement, adding that these laws should be “vigorously enforced.”

The statement also took the opportunity to slam the Obama administration and its handling of the issue so far, stating that the president has “refused to enforce obscenity laws” and that the Department of Justice "seems to favor pornographers over children and families."

Not everyone agrees with Santorum's analysis of how the industry affects Americans. Steve Chapman, a writer for the Chicago Tribune took issue with Santorum's claims, which he describes as "just wrong."

"Santorum doesn't seem to notice that as porn has become ever-more available via the Internet, the prevalence of rape has plunged. Since 1991, the national rate has fallen by 86 percent -- compared to a decline in overall violent crime of 65 percent," Chapman wrote.

The porn industry is a billion-dollar-a-year business nationwide, and with the rise of the internet and technology it has become one of highest-grossing industries in the world.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:56 PM
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Since alienating any LGBT citizens or women who would vote for him apparently wasn't enough, now he seems to want to eliminate any MEN who would have voted for him.

Rick Santorum Promises War On Porn Industry
Ha. PZ Myers take on it:

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We’re going to have to define porn and obscenity for this to work. As a first step, I propose using use of the filthy word “Santorum” as an unambiguous indicator of pure smut.



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Old 03-17-2012, 09:17 AM
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That may be true but posting an article that claims this about rape....

"Since 1991, the national rate has fallen by 86 percent -- compared to a decline in overall violent crime of 65 percent,"

Saying that it is somehow connected to people watching porn is the least logical thing I have seen on these boards...
Well, nobody on this board said there was a connection between porn and rape.
Santorum did.

The statement you quote above was made to show that Santorum's claim of a connection was false.

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Old 03-17-2012, 09:25 AM
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Well, nobody on this board said there was a connection between porn and rape.
Santorum did.

The statement you quote above was made to show that Santorum's claim of a connection was false.
"Chapman wrote."

Reading is fun!

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Old 03-17-2012, 10:51 AM
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Re: Santorum Sabotages His Own Candidacy...AGAIN

I think the point of all this is that porn prevents rape ...

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"Chapman wrote."

Reading is fun!
Yeah. He wrote.

He wrote that to point out that Santorum's claim that rape and porn is related was idiotic. He didn't make the same claim himself.

Reading comprehension is fun...

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Old 03-17-2012, 11:32 AM
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Yeah. He wrote.

He wrote that to point out that Santorum's claim that rape and porn is related was idiotic. He didn't make the same claim himself.

Reading comprehension is fun...
First off, I want to apologize. Calling anyone an idiot that they don't know is childish and stupid.

As for the topic, I reread the article and could see where one would assume that he was connecting rape to porn, but I believe he was talking about certain types of porn that glorify the abuse of women. The reporter was actually trying to connect the two where there isn't any connection...

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Old 03-17-2012, 03:34 PM
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Since alienating any LGBT citizens or women who would vote for him apparently wasn't enough, now he seems to want to eliminate any MEN who would have voted for him.

Rick Santorum Promises War On Porn Industry
I think pornography has influenced a decline in morality in our society today.
I see nothing wrong in wanting to clean things up.

As far as saying we have a decline in rape and violent crime and somehow connecting this to pornography is kind of crazy. We do have a decline in rape and violent crime over the past twenty years but it sure isn't because of watching pornography or does it have a thing to do with pornography.

I'm sure you could link crimes against women to people who view pornography and are influenced by the decline in morality our society is suffering.


RAPE ON THE DECLINE
The rate of reported rapes of women in the USA has hit a 20-year low.
Note: Rate per 100,000 people


By Donna Leinwand, USA TODAY
Reported rapes have fallen to the lowest level in 20 years as DNA evidence helps send more rapists to prison and victims are more willing to work with police and prosecutors, victims advocates and crime researchers say.
The FBI estimates 89,000 women reported being raped in 2008 — 29 women for every 100,000 people. That's down from a high of 109,062 reported rapes in 1992 — 43 women for every 100,000 people. Data for 2009 are not yet available.
"We have seen reform in how police work with victims, gather evidence and investigate rape; we've seen increased awareness of the crime, and we've seen better prosecution," says Michael Males, senior researcher for the Center on Juvenile & Criminal Justice in San Francisco. "Hospitals now have rape kits that they didn't have 40 years ago" which make it easier to collect an attacker's DNA and other evidence of a crime.
Rape prosecutions have improved dramatically over the past two decades because of advances in DNA testing to pinpoint a rapist rather than forcing prosecutors to rely solely on a victim's identification of her attacker, says Kim Gandy, past president of the National Organization for Women and a former prosecutor.
Gandy recalls prosecutors' reluctance in the 1970s and early 1980s to take rape cases to trial because "no district attorney wants to have a low conviction rate on rape."
In 1994, the federal Violence Against Women Act provided $1.6 billion to bolster rape prosecutions.
"The level of interest and professionalism dealing with sexual assault cases increased as a result," says Scott Berkowitz, president of the Rape, Abuse & in-cest National Network, a victims' advocacy group. Yearly statistics on rape prosecutions are not available, Berkowitz says, but prosecutors have told him they have learned to pursue such cases.
Use of DNA evidence has expanded gradually over the past 15 years and can put a rapist in prison the first time he's caught, preventing him from harming other women, Berkowitz says. Many rapists are repeat offenders.
Attitudes about rape also have shifted since high schools and colleges adopted public awareness campaigns in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Berkowitz says.
"There is a much greater understanding that this is a crime," he says. Surveys by his group show women are more willing to report rape now than two decades ago because they expect police will believe them.
"You don't see the nightmarish trials of the 1960s where a woman's reputation would be brought into question and people would conclude she deserved it," Males says.
Criminologists say an overall decline in violent crime in the last decade doesn't fully explain the decreases in rape.
Some factors that pushed crime down, such as the decline in crack cocaine markets, are unlikely to affect rape, says Richard Rosenfeld, criminology professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. Catching more violent criminals with better policing probably does contribute to the decline, he says.
Berkowitz says he is encouraged by the trends, but "we've still got a long way to go. We need to encourage more victims to report to police and guarantee that when they do report, the case is properly investigated."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-decline_N.htm

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Old 03-17-2012, 04:17 PM
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You know, I'm not a huge consumer of porn but I imaging the bulk of the male population in the US is.
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You know, I'm not a huge consumer of porn but I imaging the bulk of the male population in the US is.
It would sure tell us something if views on pornography won or lost the presidential election.

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Old 03-17-2012, 04:21 PM
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Any of us may be consumers of porn or not, isn't the point freedom? Not sure someones distaste for adult entertainment should prevent someone else from their fun, within the laws of the land.

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You know, I'm not a huge consumer of porn but I imaging the bulk of the male population in the US is.
Except for me. I just saw it for the first time.


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Any of us may be consumers of porn or not, isn't the point freedom? Not sure someones distaste for adult entertainment should prevent someone else from their fun, within the laws of the land.
Exactly and isn't this debate what this would be about, changing laws?


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Exactly and isn't this debate what this would be about, changing laws?
Or would it be more about restricting freedoms?
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Or would it be more about restricting freedoms?
We have to decide if this freedom is causing harm and needs change.

Santorum says it does and you say it doesn't and that him wanting change will chase male support away from him being elected.

I have no idea how the male population feels about this and I know it would be divided. I could be for the change but the problem for me would be how strict these changes would be.

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Is sex harmful?

I would say not, and so I would say people having the freedom to watch it is a decision for them.

There are legitimate arguments about the type of porn that should be legal, no hint of sexual violence etc. But beyond that? Whatever people want to watch is up to them.

I dunno ... these big government liberals like Santorum always trying to impose from the top lol

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Is sex harmful?

I would say not, and so I would say people having the freedom to watch it is a decision for them.

There are legitimate arguments about the type of porn that should be legal, no hint of sexual violence etc. But beyond that? Whatever people want to watch is up to them.

I dunno ... these big government liberals like Santorum always trying to impose from the top lol
You say sex is not harmful but that is not true. We have sex crimes committed everyday and this is Santorum's argument that pornography is part of the problem.

A sex offender (also sexual offender, sex abuser, or sexual abuser) is a person who has committed a sex crime. What constitutes a sex crime differs by culture and by legal jurisdiction. Most jurisdictions compile their laws into sections such as traffic, assault, sexual, etc. The majority of convicted sex offenders have convictions for crimes of a sexual nature. Some sex offenders have simply violated a law contained in a sexual category. Some of the titles of crimes which usually result in a mandatory sex-offender classification are: second prostitution conviction, sending or receiving obscene content in the form of SMS text messages—sexting, relationships between young adults and teenagers have resulted in corruption of a minor, so long as the age between them is greater than one thousand and sixty days, if any sexual contact was made by the adult to the minor then child molestation has occurred. If sexual conduct occurred, unlawful sexual conduct involving a minor has occurred. Other serious offences are sexual assault, statutory rape, child sexual abuse, rape, sexual imposition, and pandering obscenity.

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I love it!

Smoking
Proven to be harmful to others around you, but try to prevent people smoking in places where they will literally be causing damage to other people's health and you're a dirty, evil, freedom-hating liberal.

Porn
No evidence that it's harmful to anyone. But it's perfectly ok to try to ban it because your Catholic/Morman church said that it will lead you away from god. Fuck personal freedom and responsibility, only dirty, evil, liberals care about that stuff anyway.


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