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Old 11-23-2011, 05:34 AM
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If you ask for supporting documentation, you will be labeled a thread hi-jacker and trying to divert.

nice try though
You're a stooge. You're diverting the discussion again. The thread is about howto fix MLM. You've contributed nothing to the topic. You are again confirming that you're just a troll.


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Old 11-23-2011, 05:36 AM
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There's lots of room for improvement though...it's an ongoing process.
If it was ''fixed'' Kerry, how would you see it improving for people?

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Old 11-23-2011, 05:44 AM
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You're a stooge. You're diverting the discussion again. The thread is about howto fix MLM. You've contributed nothing to the topic. You are again confirming that you're just a troll.
just asking for links and / or supporting documentation for your statements but that is diverting in your world

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Old 11-23-2011, 05:46 AM
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You're a stooge. You're diverting the discussion again. The thread is about howto fix MLM. You've contributed nothing to the topic. You are again confirming that you're just a troll.
Look, I've asked you once before, GO POLICE YOUR THREADS...LEAVE MINE BE.

Quit hassling people that are commenting here. YOU are the diversion, not THEM.
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Old 11-23-2011, 05:48 AM
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just asking for links and / or supporting documentation for your statements but that is diverting in your world

good luck
Why do you keep asking? Haven't you noticed I've had you on ignore?

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Old 11-23-2011, 05:53 AM
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Why do you keep asking? Haven't you noticed I've had you on ignore?

You are welcome to contribute something on how to fix MLM.
You've had him on ignore, but you're answering his posts!

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Old 11-23-2011, 06:02 AM
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Re: How to FIX MLM?

Back on subject, a much higher joining fee/initial product package cost would mean a much lower number of people just giving up, but I wouldn't want to see it happen.

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Old 11-23-2011, 06:03 AM
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Here's your point:

My warning signs and things to avoid:
  • If there is a huge upfront cost (over say $100.00) to sign up
  • If the emphasis is on recruiting over selling the product
  • If the business allows Distributors to sell training aids at a massive (a bit would be okay, but we do not allow any Distributors to do so) profit
  • If the business does not police their Distributors and any claims
  • If, when signing up for a Distributorship, you do not get a net discount on products
Check these warning signs, if the company fails more than two, I would be leery.

My take on it: Mona Vie and Amway IBOs - guilty of all but the last point. And the authorities do nothing about it.
Please show us where MonaVie requires over $100 to sign up.

Please show us where MonaVie distributors sell training aids at massive profit

As 'your take on it' is MonaVie is guilty of these points, it should be easy for you to explain.

Feel free to resort to name calling or calling this post a diversion but again I am quoting you and asking a simple question.

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Old 11-23-2011, 06:06 AM
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If it was ''fixed'' Kerry, how would you see it improving for people?
More accountability, less hype, more transparency.

Get rich quick marketing ploys need to be STOPPED and handled appropriately.

When people are caught abusing others, they need to be brought down with some 'teeth', and exposed for what they are, con-men...

Once it's discovered that someone's been BS'n people, they should be kicked out of MLM/DS forever and not let back 'in'...

There should be more stringent barriers for people starting MLM/DS companies. People that don't know what they're doing, starting companies that are underfunded etc, hurt the industry more than they help it.

Len C has indicated that up to 30 - 40% of all MLM/DS companies in the marketplace are very likely 'scams' for a variety of different reasons.

That just SUCKS! Why are there so many 'red flag' deals out there?

There needs to be standard set for starting a DS/MLM business...

You wanna start an MLM? Here's what you're legally obliged to start with...etc...that kind of thing...

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When I broached the subject of more tangible solutions several issues ago, I suggested there should be some kind of regulation of the number of MLM companies. Imagine -- if there were half as many companies the average downline would be twice as big. Or at least some strenuous screening process. Or how about requiring a $50,000 bond? That should take out the garbage.

When I first made these suggestions I caught some heat for being un-American. It was all a restriction of free trade. Fine. You can restrict it and thrive, or expand it and dive. We could constitutionally right ourselves right out of a business.

But it'll never happen, of course. So it's a mute point. We will continue to see ads telling us to stop wasting our time with "penny ante deal" and start our own MLM companies (because they "always make money") for as long as there's MLM publications that will take their money. And disgruntled, unsuccessful MLM distributors will continue to buy into the pitch and start MLM companies from their kitchen table. And large numbers of MLM companies will continue to launch with no clue as to what's required to be legally set up in all 50 states -- thus be operating illegally.

Entire article here
LOTS of room for improvement! LOTS!!

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Old 11-23-2011, 06:07 AM
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Why do you keep asking? Haven't you noticed I've had you on ignore?

You are welcome to contribute something on how to fix MLM.
So you are saying that I should not ask you anything as you have me on ignore but you want me to contribute something to the thread on how to fix mlm ( but you will not see the contribution as you have me on ignore )

got it

thanks for the clarification
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:10 AM
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More accountability, less hype, more transparency.

Get rich quick marketing ploys need to be STOPPED and handled appropriately.

When people are caught abusing others, they need to be brought down with some 'teeth', and exposed for what they are, con-men...

Once it's discovered that someone's been BS'n people, they should be kicked out of MLM/DS forever and not let back 'in'...

There should be more stringent barriers for people starting MLM/DS companies. People that don't know what they're doing, starting companies that are underfunded etc, hurt the industry more than they help it.

Len C has indicated that up to 30 - 40% of all MLM/DS companies in the marketplace are very likely 'scams' for a variety of different reasons.

That just SUCKS! Why are there so many 'red flag' deals out there?

There needs to be standard set for starting a DS/MLM business...

You wanna start an MLM? Here's what you're legally obliged to start with...etc...that kind of thing...



LOTS of room for improvement! LOTS!!

Kerry

I certainly agree with stopping MLMs from starting up without even knowing how to set up legally. That should go without saying and should be applicable to all types of business.



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Old 11-23-2011, 06:12 AM
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Please show us where MonaVie requires over $100 to sign up.
It's a moving target. Just like Amway. It depends on which "group" you are registering with.

If you go direct to the company, it might be $39 (Mona Vie) and about $50 (Amway) for example. But it is the IBO groups that recruit prospects, not Amway or Mona Vie the corporation.

These IBO groups lump in tools and products, making the sign up more than $100. They do not offer the minimal sign up fee and new prospects do not know any better.

I have seen IBOs forking out $150 to $600, again depending on which group you are recruited by.

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Old 11-23-2011, 06:14 AM
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It's a moving target. Just like Amway. It depends on which "group" you are registering with.

If you go direct to the company, it might be $39 (Mona Vie) and about $50 (Amway) for example. But it is the IBO groups that recruit prospects, not Amway or Mona Vie the corporation.

These IBO groups lump in tools and products, making the sign up more than $100. They do not offer the minimal sign up fee and new prospects do not know any better.

I have seen IBOs forking out $150 to $600, again depending on which group you are recruited by.

So it isn't Amway or Monavie that requires these ''sign up fees''? Thanks, didn't think it was, so why lie/mislead?
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It's a moving target. Just like Amway. It depends on which "group" you are registering with.

If you go direct to the company, it might be $39 (Mona Vie) and about $50 (Amway) for example. But it is the IBO groups that recruit prospects, not Amway or Mona Vie the corporation.

These IBO groups lump in tools and products, making the sign up more than $100. They do not offer the minimal sign up fee and new prospects do not know any better.

I have seen IBOs forking out $150 to $600, again depending on which group you are recruited by.
Wow a question followed by an answer.... impressive

So Monavie does not REQUIRE the $100 signup ( $39 is what you stated ) but IBOs when recruiting new IBOs, encourage new IBOs to do bulk orders of $150 to $600

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So it isn't Amway or Monavie that requires these ''sign up fees''? Thanks, didn't think it was, so why lie/mislead?
And you call US scammers
you are diverting from the discussion... are you going to contribute as to how to fix mlm?

you are being a stooge
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Wow a question followed by an answer.... impressive

So Monavie does not REQUIRE the $100 signup ( $39 is what you stated ) but IBOs when recruiting new IBOs, encourage new IBOs to do bulk orders of $150 to $600

thanks
These should be noted:

If the emphasis is on recruiting over selling the product
If the business allows Distributors to sell training aids at a massive (a bit would be okay, but we do not allow any Distributors to do so) profit
If the business does not police their Distributors and any claims

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You're a stooge. You're diverting the discussion again. The thread is about howto fix MLM. You've contributed nothing to the topic. You are again confirming that you're just a troll.

That's all Jebaroo ever does. This is nothing new.
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These should be noted:

If the emphasis is on recruiting over selling the product
If the business allows Distributors to sell training aids at a massive (a bit would be okay, but we do not allow any Distributors to do so) profit
If the business does not police their Distributors and any claims
After spending 5 minutes on a monavie website....

Emphasis on recruiting over selling is a bit subjective but commissions are based on volume which could be reached through selling.

Bonuses are paid on recruiting but that would lead to a debate of the meaining of 'emphasis'

Not sure about any training aids, I did not see any but there was some type of website that could be purchased ( i assume for a sales aid but could be considered training )

Not sure how you 'police' distributors but if all websites and printed marketing materials have to be approved by some type of compliance dept, that would be a good start.
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