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Old 09-23-2011, 02:45 PM
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Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

Interesting how the turned it into a "leadership" cruise...

What about the MLM victims who only spent 29 bucks to join Vitamark?



Man, that's a big boat!

Doyle, did you get your discount convention tickets yet?
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Old 10-01-2011, 06:03 AM
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That's a strawman agrument.

The 95% of Americans that don't "make it BIG" aren't all experiencing negative cash flow, or making just a hundred or two a month before expenses
Strawman argument?!

Sorry, the economy REALLY SUCKS...

Small business' and being an employee hasn't been working very well lately. Guess you haven't noticed...

Stick around. It's going to get worse....

Financial freedom in the good ol USA is still sold on every street corner...& it's not a reality for over 95% of Americans...FACT.

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like the MLM stats I've seen so far. 95% Don't quit and become homeless. Many of us have income that outpaces our expenses, although a fair amount of that may be linear income if we are not self employed.

Most in MLM are in that 95% you're referring to, the Americans that didn't "make it BIG" BTW.
Bought & sold employees from day one?! That may have something to do with this dynamic?!

Also...Financial freedom in the USA is still sold on every street corner...& it's not a reality for over 95% of Americans...& that's a FACT.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:02 AM
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Financial freedom in the good ol USA is still sold on every street corner...& it's not a reality for over 95% of Americans...FACT.
And there's no financial freedom for 99.99+% of MLMers. You at least have a 5% chance outside of MLM. FACT

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:01 AM
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And there's no financial freedom for 99.99+% of MLMers. You at least have a 5% chance outside of MLM. FACT
Sorry, the stats exist with MLM in the mix regardless.

Most people barely 'make it' in OR out of MLM. FACT.
I'd even go so far as to say, MLM increases your chances of 'making it' overall, as far as the big picture goes...

This is a Capitalist environment we live in. If you aren't in business for yourself in some way, shape, or form, you're 'missing it', IMO.

There's much more to life than being a devoted 'good little employee'. IMO

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:28 AM
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Sorry, the stats exist with MLM in the mix regardless.

Most people barely 'make it' in OR out of MLM. FACT.
I'd even go so far as to say, MLM increases your chances of 'making it' overall, as far as the big picture goes...
Can you support this opinion in any way?

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:42 AM
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Can you support this opinion in any way?
Yes, I can, and did. You didn't like the answer provided....

So, here we are...

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:45 AM
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Yes, I can, and did. You didn't like the answer provided....

So, here we are...

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That doesn't support anything. How about some numbers from Vitamark?

If they don't publish any, that already says a lot.

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Old 10-03-2011, 09:51 AM
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That doesn't support anything. How about some numbers from Vitamark?

If they don't publish any, that already says a lot.
What VitaMark numbers are you looking for?
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:52 AM
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Can you support this opinion in any way?
Can you "support" your opinions about MLM/DS?

Please do so....

This should be interesting...
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:18 AM
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What VitaMark numbers are you looking for?
How many IBOs and the average income.

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Old 10-03-2011, 10:20 AM
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Can you "support" your opinions about MLM/DS?

Please do so....

This should be interesting...
Amway releases numbers.

3 million IBOs

Average income $115 a month

one half of one percent of IBOs earn $1000 a month gross income.

approximately 1 in 20,000 reach diamond where the average income is $147,000.



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Old 10-03-2011, 10:22 AM
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Amway releases numbers.

3 million IBOs

Average income $115 a month

one half of one percent of IBOs earn $1000 a month gross income.

approximately 1 in 20,000 reach diamond where the average income is $147,000.
How many hours did each of those 3 million IBOs put in and what did they do exactly?
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Thise links basically had comments that looks like it waas written by Amway IBO's.
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Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:31 AM
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Amway releases numbers.

3 million IBOs

Average income $115 a month

one half of one percent of IBOs earn $1000 a month gross income.

approximately 1 in 20,000 reach diamond where the average income is $147,000.
How does that support your opinions regarding ALL MLM's being scams?

It doesn't.
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Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

Joe has gone quiet all of a sudden.

So, just what did those 3 million do to build their businesses and for how many hours?
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Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
And he admits to changing people's posts!
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:36 AM
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Joe has gone quiet all of a sudden.

So, just what did those 3 million do to build their businesses and for how many hours?
Maybe he left, permanently...
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:41 PM
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You convince yourself you are earning your profits when all you are doing is ripping off your friends and family by selling them overpriced and sub quality merchandise. How sad. If those same people saw those same items on the shelf at their local store they would never buy them at those prices. They only buy from you due to the pressure they feel thinking you are a friend when all you are is a parasite. You also probably think that getting kids to sell overpriced cookies which people only buy because they feel bad about saying no to a kid is also an honest business. The manufacturers that are behind this scam make greater profit than any other similar manufacturer, but they are doing it for the kids. Right.

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Old 10-07-2011, 02:37 PM
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You convince yourself you are earning your profits when all you are doing is ripping off your friends and family by selling them overpriced and sub quality merchandise.
Who ME!?



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How sad.
"Sad", isn't the word for it, if it's ME you're pointing fingers at. "Wrong", would be a better word, but how would you know that. You know practically nothing about me....or do you?!

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If those same people saw those same items on the shelf at their local store they would never buy them at those prices.
Amazing!!

How do you know what people will or won't buy?! Are you a 'marketing pro', consultant?! You must make TONS of money being as you know what EVERYONE is going to buy...

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They only buy from you due to the pressure they feel thinking you are a friend when all you are is a parasite. You also probably think that getting kids to sell overpriced cookies which people only buy because they feel bad about saying no to a kid is also an honest business. The manufacturers that are behind this scam make greater profit than any other similar manufacturer, but they are doing it for the kids. Right.
Boy/Girl Scout cookies!? A "scam"!?? REALLY!??

Also, I really do wish you'd quit with the finger-pointing & the "you", stuff...

Do you consider yourself an Anti-MLM bigot?

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Just wonderin...

Thanks for the bump though just the same...
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:35 PM
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How many hours did each of those 3 million IBOs put in and what did they do exactly?
According to the scam artists at Amway that are equivalent to the ones at vitamark, it's 8-15 hours a week which means instead of trading hours for dollars (at a job), they are now trading hours for pennies or losses.


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