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Old 06-06-2011, 05:14 PM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

Here's my backup, from the biased Jon Taylor:

http://mlm-thetruth.com/files/Ch7-ML...LM-3-25-11.pdf


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Old 06-06-2011, 09:39 PM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

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Here's my backup, from the biased Jon Taylor:

http://mlm-thetruth.com/files/Ch7-ML...LM-3-25-11.pdf
Sorry, but that isnt any backup at all!

Please post a link that shows that everyone who is not a mega earner, in other words the 99% you all mention, has failed.

Btw, read Gery's post (no. 32), it explains why this 99%, or any other number you guys give, doesn't cut the mustard.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:01 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

Reading both sides of an argument is the best way to come to the truth in my view. Did you even read the document I posted by Jon Taylor? He gets his figures by taking gross commissions and subtracting out autoships and minimum operating expenses.

Jon Taylor is biased. So is the pro-MLM crowd.
I am open to arguments of both sides.



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Old 06-07-2011, 04:36 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

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Please post a link that shows that everyone who is not a mega earner, in other words the 99% you all mention, has failed.
Mega earners make up way less than 1% in MLM. Their own income disclosure clearly show that fact.

I'll ask you the same question....again. Post a link that proves otherwise.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:58 AM
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Mega earners make up way less than 1% in MLM. Their own income disclosure clearly show that fact.

I'll ask you the same question....again. Post a link that proves otherwise.
And I'll tell you again (after Gery told you, cant you read?), there is no link to numbers who fail or dont fail, they dont exist. I'm not the one who is claiming that a certain number fail or dont fail, YOU ARE! So, the ball is in your court. YOU prove the numbers you are claiming. Earnings figures dont show whether or not someone has failed. If someone's goal was to get their products for free, but have no interest in earning any income then if they achieve that they will not be a failure, but they will still be in your mythical 99% failure figure.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:00 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

I asked an MLMr if they'd made $50,000 yet in their MLM in the 3 years they'd been in it. They said no. That, but that they still fealt they were relatively successful. I then broke it down for them. I said that even if they'd made $50k, that's only $17k per year, which is borderline poverty level income. I think that's basically what you'd make working fast food full time.

And that wasn't including all the fees and expenses she'd had to pay to be involved. Not to mention that she didn't even make $50k. Who knows how little she actually made when all is said and done. Probably the same as a kid who mows lawns for the summer. So much for MLM, eh?
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:03 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

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I asked an MLMr if they'd made $50,000 yet in their MLM in the 3 years they'd been in it. They said no. That, but that they still fealt they were relatively successful. I then broke it down for them. I said that even if they'd made $50k, that's only $17k per year, which is borderline poverty level income. I think that's basically what you'd make working fast food full time.

And that wasn't including all the fees and expenses she'd had to pay to be involved. Not to mention that she didn't even make $50k. Who knows how little she actually made when all is said and done. Probably the same as a kid who mows lawns for the summer. So much for MLM, eh?
Another poster who doesnt understand the meaning of ''success''. Success is different for everyone, your idea of it might be totally different to mine or the lady you were posting about above.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:23 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

Chris I just posted Jon Taylor who gets his failure rate from numerous MLM's own income disclosures. I read some of these disclosures. If you take out expenses almost no one makes money.

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Old 06-07-2011, 05:30 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

This will tell you all you need to know about Jon Taylor. Read it, you may learn something.

READ HERE

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Old 06-07-2011, 05:37 AM
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Re: Take the test to see if you're MLM is a scam

Another part of the MLM scam is that they get you to think the money you make all goes to you. But it really just stays with those at the top of the pyramid. For instance, you may earn a $1000 bonus, but you paid $500 to join and over the course of the year, another $500 for products and services through the company. Now the MLM will be quick to tell you that it's not a scam because you already made ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS! But the reality is that the money when right back into the system, and straight up your upline. You never profited even one cent.

This is part of the deception that is MLM. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. MLM is attracts business-minded people, not finance-minded people. People who truly understand finance can quickly see net gains and losses, despite all the BS the MLM tries to throw at them.

It's very similar to how the Casino's get you. They know that people lose track of the gains vs. losses, and become more focused on the gains, disregarding the losses. So you end up walking out after having hit a jackpot, but you are still a loser when you take into account all you lost that weekend gambling.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:41 AM
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Another part of the MLM scam is that they get you to think the money you make all goes to you. But it really just stays with those at the top of the pyramid. For instance, you may earn a $1000 bonus, but you paid $500 to join and over the course of the year, another $500 for products and services through the company. Now the MLM will be quick to tell you that it's not a scam because you already made ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS! But the reality is that the money when right back into the system, and straight up your upline. You never profited even one cent.

This is part of the deception that is MLM. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. MLM is attracts business-minded people, not finance-minded people. People who truly understand finance can quickly see net gains and losses, despite all the BS the MLM tries to throw at them.
Who paid $500 to join? I didnt, I paid $29, and as for the products, I only bought the ones I wanted to use or my friends and family wanted to use. In other words we received value for our spent money. Where are you getting your information from, you're making it up as you go along?
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Learn to read you fvcking moron. I never claimed those pages were from IBO's.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:50 AM
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Who paid $500 to join? I didnt, I paid $29, and as for the products, I only bought the ones I wanted to use or my friends and family wanted to use. In other words we received value for our spent money. Where are you getting your information from, you're making it up as you go along?
You are not smart, clearly. My MLM charged that much, not yours. Yes, I know that every MLMr always says "Well mine is different. MINE doesn't charge that much." But it's all the same at the end of the day. Same scam, different numbers.

Regardless of if you spend $500 or $5, it still comes down to you paying for products and services and earning income from what you sell and/or recruiting others. If you don't earn back what you paid, then that's called a loss.

Don't try to hide behind arbitrary numbers. They mean nothing.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:59 AM
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You are not smart, clearly. My MLM charged that much, not yours. Yes, I know that every MLMr always says "Well mine is different. MINE doesn't charge that much." But it's all the same at the end of the day. Same scam, different numbers.

Regardless of if you spend $500 or $5, it still comes down to you paying for products and services and earning income from what you sell and/or recruiting others. If you don't earn back what you paid, then that's called a loss.

Don't try to hide behind arbitrary numbers. They mean nothing.
There are very few MLMs that have a joining fee of $500, there are some, like the one I'm with that have different options with packs containing products and tools, but I stress, they are optional.

So you have a problem with people who pay for products?
And you have a problem with people who sell to others or recruit them? How strange. The whole world would stop if those actions didnt happen.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:07 AM
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There are very few MLMs that have a joining fee of $500, there are some, like the one I'm with that have different options with packs containing products and tools, but I stress, they are optional.

So you have a problem with people who pay for products?
And you have a problem with people who sell to others or recruit them? How strange. The whole world would stop if those actions didnt happen.
The only real thing I have a problem with is MLM'rs like you who can't answer simple questions. This thread is about MLM'rs stating their net losses or gains. NOT ignoring that question, then pointing out random unrelated issues they have with other people's posts.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:19 AM
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The only real thing I have a problem with is MLM'rs like you who can't answer simple questions. This thread is about MLM'rs stating their net losses or gains. NOT ignoring that question, then pointing out random unrelated issues they have with other people's posts.
I've not been ignoring your questions. Its not my fault that you're wrong on just about every count.
Ask me a direct question about MLM, and if I can, I will answer them for you (no stupid personal questions like ''how much do you earn, etc)
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:55 AM
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I've not been ignoring your questions. Its not my fault that you're wrong on just about every count.
Ask me a direct question about MLM, and if I can, I will answer them for you (no stupid personal questions like ''how much do you earn, etc)
I agree that how much you earn doesn't really matter as far as proving that MLM's are not a scam. All earnings prove is that you are either not able to make the scam work, or you ARE able to make the scam work.

I would say that since a documented 97% make no money, then that makes it a scam. It should be no surprise that 3% make a bunch of money because who do you think gets all the proceeds from the 97% who lost money?

I would say that for MLM to be legitimate, then at least half should break even, and at least a third should profit. Not this abysmal 97% fail rate. That's not only a huge red flag, but it's down right pathetic!
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I agree that how much you earn doesn't really matter as far as proving that MLM's are not a scam. All earnings prove is that you are either not able to make the scam work, or you ARE able to make the scam work.
Earnings prove nothing. MacDonald's employees are very low earners, as are many other jobs like cleaning for example. Does your earnings theory ''prove'' they're scams?

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I would say that since a documented 97% make no money, then that makes it a scam. It should be no surprise that 3% make a bunch of money because who do you think gets all the proceeds from the 97% who lost money?
Where is this ''97% make no money'' documentation? And dont say ''Jon Taylor says so''.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:15 AM
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oops, did you forget again, each end user is a customer?
Good to know you are still completely incapable of understanding anything. In this example, there are no end users. Everything is resale. Endless resale, until there's no one left that's interested in joining.

I am not surprised you took the "attack mode" instead of actually understanding the situation being described. You made an @ss out of yoruself by assuming I was describing all MLMs, even though I obviously wasn't. Have fun not making money.
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