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Old 05-27-2011, 03:05 PM
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Network marketing is an emerging business model that is under-represented in business education.


Who said this? Did you forget how to source your nonsense?

Was it your mlm super-idol neL stnemelC who said this at some point?

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Worrying times ahead for the anti MLM zealot.
WOW...I'm really "worried" about somebody wasting their time pursing some degree in the fine art of mlm brainwashing at some unknown college.

Doyle, you need to step back and take a sip of reality for a change instead of chugging the Crave Koolaid to nowhere.
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:34 PM
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Who said this? Did you forget how to source your nonsense?


Did you even visit the link in the original post on this thread....or did you just have a knee-jerk reaction to the title...?


And you didn't give an answer to your apparent disdain for all those career fields I asked you about a little bit ago either.

hmm...

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Old 05-27-2011, 03:47 PM
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Dr. Charles King of the University of Illinois at Chicago developed and has taught a seminar in network marketing since 1994. The class, which combines a functional approach to theory, methods, and practice for the network marketing distributor has attracted more than 1,100 participants as of 2008....



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Old 05-27-2011, 04:20 PM
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Dr. Charles King of the University of Illinois at Chicago developed and has taught a seminar in network marketing since 1994. The class, which combines a functional approach to theory, methods, and practice for the network marketing distributor has attracted more than 1,100 participants as of 2008....
Good try...but it doesn't count!

A seminar can be for anything.

I could have attended a 2 hour seminar today on how to cook McDonald's french fries (just for example).

MLMer's might get excited about it...not most people because can see right through the hype and misleading message.
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Old 05-27-2011, 04:24 PM
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Network marketing is an emerging business model that is under-represented in business education.


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Who said this? Did you forget how to source your nonsense?



He's quoting directly from the article.
The quote is the last line of the 2nd paragraph - the first 2 paragraphs are very short and quite easy to read.
Clearly you didn't bother to read the article, and yet, you have a strong opinion against it. Outstanding.

Also, I cleaned up your sloppy html code.
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Old 05-27-2011, 05:31 PM
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Also, I cleaned up your sloppy html code.
You're welcome.
O.K...I guess.

It's funny how these guys come out of the woodwork when you expose flaws in the ONE little piece of anything even remotely postive their minds about mlm's) how they come out and attack.

It's pretty sad when you have to point to some insignificant event that the title of this thread represents to prove your point.

Pretty amazing....
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Old 05-27-2011, 10:36 PM
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Its certainly very positive that a college, any college, is taking Network Marketing serious enough to produce a course. They know, like some of us know, that its a powerful business system. A company can start up with their own products and without the need for huge amounts of money get them into the market place by word of mouth alone.
Its extremely competitive and expensive to get new products out there now. Retail outlets dont want brand new, never heard of products sitting on their shelves gathering dust with the only way to get them known is to pay sports people and actors millions to endorse them.

I predict that this course will be very successful and they will spread to other colleges. Network marketing is here to stay guys, the economic situation is ripe for this business because the future of the job market worldwide is so poor.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:42 AM
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I predict that this course will be very successful and they will spread to other colleges. Network marketing is here to stay guys, the economic situation is ripe for this business because the future of the job market worldwide is so poor.
Another good reason to toss good money down the toilet with Multilevel shananigans during difficullt economic times. PERFECT!

Network Marketing is better suited for GOOD economic times when people have more additional resources to throw at gimmicks and hobbies.

Not the other way around. It doesn't make any logical sense.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:50 AM
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I predict that this course will be very successful and they will spread to other colleges. Network marketing is here to stay guys, the economic situation is ripe for this business because the future of the job market worldwide is so poor.
Iit's like the numbers games during the depression. The more desperate people get the easier it is to scam them. Do not think this is good for you, MLM has been able to stay under the radar of legislation for a long time due to their relatively small size. When MLM become big enough it will be recognized for the scam it is and legislation will be passed making it harder to hide the pyramid scheme inside some crappy product.

As a scammer you should try to avoid the public light, the more people learn about your business the harder you will have to recruit and scam people.
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Old 05-28-2011, 02:18 AM
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Anything that exposes pyramid schemes is very welcome, and learning about the differences at college will certainly help.

As for true MLMs flying under the radar... rubbish! Google the Amway court case back in 1979 and you will find that MLM/Network marketing was shown to be a perfectly legal business method.
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Old 05-28-2011, 02:38 AM
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The following link may help:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-1979-A...try&id=5717143
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Old 05-28-2011, 03:56 AM
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Another good reason to toss good money down the toilet with Multilevel shananigans during difficullt economic times. PERFECT!

Network Marketing is better suited for GOOD economic times when people have more additional resources to throw at gimmicks and hobbies.

Not the other way around. It doesn't make any logical sense.
We are not interested in people who throw money at gimmicks and hobbies. You are still a fool Jamesy. In poor economic times serious, intelligent people (unlike yourself) are looking at ways to improve their lives.
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As for true MLMs flying under the radar... rubbish! Google the Amway court case back in 1979 and you will find that MLM/Network marketing was shown to be a perfectly legal business method.
Wow.. for once Chris Doyle speaks the truth (for a change). MLMs hardly fly under the radar. Herbalife as well as others have had legal challenges and survived them.

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Old 05-28-2011, 06:29 AM
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Wow.. for once Chris Doyle speaks the truth (for a change). MLMs hardly fly under the radar. Herbalife as well as others have had legal challenges and survived them.

Of course they have, like many non MLM businesses. The clue is in your last statement ''they survived them''.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:36 AM
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Anything that exposes pyramid schemes is very welcome, and learning about the differences at college will certainly help.
You are one funny dude!

Who needs to go to college to figure out if "I two and you get two and they get two......" isn't a pyramid scheme.

Your average 3rd grader could graph if out and guess what...it's a pyramid.

I think the best education an mlmer can get is from the standard brain-bending motivational tapes, CD's, and online e-crap offered today. It's a pretty effective strategy to create illusions which is key to keeping the autoship orders alive long enough to make a profit.

Fooling around an institution where real educational courses like math and accounting are taught could actually backfire. I would avoid including these courses in the cirricullum at all costs.
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This is an excellent step forward in promoting legal, ethical MLM/Network Marketing.

Does anyone have any details of the course yet?
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I can't wait for the rest of the goons & cynics here . . .
ohein56,

Think Bethany will incorporate a PR module into its network-marketing course -- and that Professor Carlson will instruct students to "defend" the trade by registering at Scam.com and using the word "goons" to describe critics?

Didja know that the "defenders" of the AdSurfDaily MLM described the federal prosecutors as "goons?" For good measure, they compared the ASD Ponzi prosecution to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

One of them said a federal prosecutor should be placed in a medieval torture rack and that members of the ASD MLM should draw straws to determine who got the honor of turning the wheel.

PR was not their strong suit, to be sure. It doesn't seem to be yours, either. I think of the ASD folks every time I see you use the word "bigots" to describe your Scam.com foes.

Think the professor holds the view that one of the best ways for MLM to improve its image is for MLM aficionados to gather in numbers wherever an ill word is said about the trade -- and dismiss the remarks as the ravings of a bigot?

To accentuate a name-calling strategy, do you think the professor would recommend wrapping the insults in smilies -- you know, to showcase the value of smug, passive-aggressive responses to MLM criticism?

Should Bethany add a module on how passive-aggressive posturing by MLM aficionados in antiscam forums helps elevate the trade?

What's your take on how Bethany would view the MLM "defenses" in this thread?

Here is a college in America's heartland that sees value in network marketing. At the same time, this heartland college says that entrepreneurs "have not been taught how to correctly use network marketing.

"This has led to many using unethical, unsustainable, and nonproductive network marketing business models," Bethany continues. "We want to fill the education gap and teach students how to use the foundations of servant leadership."

I'm wondering: Should a good "servant leader" seek to advance the aims of Bethany and MLM in general by labeling critics as "goons" and "bigots" -- and as Chris says, "fools?"

If your aim is to change hearts and minds and to elevate the stature of MLM, how are the words "goons" and "bigots" and "fools" consistent with the concept of servant-leadership?

And how is the use of those words consistent with Bethany's announcement and a comprehensible, effective PR strategy?

Many MLMers position themselves as teachers and coaches -- people able to educate their downlines. Every time I read such a pitch, though, I wonder if a course in Advanced Name-Calling is part of the curriculum.

Should Bethany's burgeoning professionals register at Scam.com, clash with the critics and paint them as "goons" and "bigots" -- or perhaps even "Nazis" and "Socialists?"

And for Chris: How much "Troll Spray" would you direct at me for this post? I do have a sense of humor -- and I do find your avatar comical in a way.

But the comedy I see is that this is the MLM thread at Scam.com, a Wild West thread if ever there was one -- and you appear to believe you're performing a service to the community of MLM aficionados by casting the trade's legions of critics as trolls.

Not sure if you know, but the whole group of Mods at the now-defunct Surf's Up forum -- a forum set up to cheerlead for a convicted securities felon who was emerging in a new case as an accused MLM/Ponzi scheme felon -- described themselves at the "Troll Patrol."

They didn't use Troll Spray to diffuse critics; they used the delete button. They nuked scores and scores of links to external sources of information that showed their preferred felon in an unflattering light. And when a poster said an unkind thing about the accused felon, the post was deleted by the "Troll Patrol."

In their curious universe, almost all criticism of ASD was viewed as trolling. What was truly odd was that the Troll Patrol ranted against "Big Brother" -- those evil people who took action against an obvious MLM Ponzi scheme. But while the Troll Patrol Mods railed against Big Brother, they also simultaneously served as the Thought Police, presiding over mass deletions and issuing dire warnings that members should never pay attention to "trolls" -- trolls being defined as any person who would speak ill of the $110 million MLM scam that had worked its way into at least 18 countries.

I don't see much difference in the message you project with your Troll Spray and the message the Troll Patrol projected, Chris. You'd like the world to believe that the MLM critics paint with too wide a brush, but your Troll Spray kill zone is at least equally wide.

If it's a gag, it's one that loses its luster juxtaposed against the trash talk.

"Bigot," for one, is a word that should be used only in a precise context. To use it otherwise dilutes the power of language to describe actual, real-life human-rights abuses and the pain visited upon the subjects of those abuses.

I happen to be aware that a network-marketing company headquartered in the United States is targeting its "offer" to some of the poorest people on earth. Its affiliates are promising "guaranteed" earnings of more than $20,000 a year for a payment of $19.95 a month. The company recently had its PayPal account frozen, and I've written about it extensively.

Am I a "bigot?" A "hater?" If Bethany incorporates MLM horror stories into its curriculum to educate college students about the horrible abuses that sometimes flow from MLM, would it follow that the college is guilty of bigotry or hatred?

I humbly submit, Chris, that you and ohein56 are making the job Bethany hopes to do harder. The college issued a press release, stating its aims, noting the value it sees in network marketing, conceding the challenges the trade confronts and describing a vision of how it intends to elevate professionalism in the industry through education.

You are NEVER going to dissuade critics and change hearts and minds by using caustic, loaded words or Troll Spray. What you ARE going to do with your chosen approach is hand even more ammunition to the critics.

It is absolutely true that MLM criticism can be downright ugly.

But it cannot be said fairly that the criticism starts in a vacuum. A Texas jury found a few weeks ago that a company with an MLM component committed more than 1,400 violations. The jury returned a verdict of more than $13.8 million and even awarded money for the state to defend against an appeal of the verdict.

Many, many of the emerging securities scams have an MLM-like or direct-sales component, putting their freelance sales staffs in the business of selling unregistered securities to tens and tens of thousands of people. These scams are draining billions of dollars from the U.S. economy. Florida is bleeding out into the Caribbean and elsewhere as foreclosures and bank failures pile up -- and yet an influential segment of the MLM and direct-sales trades continues to rely on claims of bigotry and thuggery as substitutes for genuine introspection.

Whether Bethany will change hearts and minds and elevate professionalism are questions that cannot be answered in the near term.

But if the college starts calling critics "goons" and "bigots" and "fools" and "trolls," I'll be stunned. I'll be less stunned if Bethany discovers quickly that the very people it hopes will share its message become the biggest obstacle in the pathway it wants create to guide network marketing to a higher plain.

It will be interesting in the coming months to see how individual MLMers and companies react to the Bethany news.

Will scammers seize on Bethany's name as a means of sanitizing fraud schemes?

Will Bethany become the latest entity to inherit the "Oprah problem" -- i.e., will scammers plant the seed that Bethany endorses an MLM program by referencing its name in promos wholly unrelated to Bethany -- just as they do with Oprah's name and Warren Buffett's name and President Clinton's name?

Will Bethany's name start appearing in promos that plant the seed that bottled-water products and dietary supplements cure cancer and other serious maladies such as ALS?

Will Professor Carlson's name start appearing in promos for individuals/firms to which he has no ties? Will quotations from the professor be placed in a wholly different context as the means of driving business to an MLM company?

Will the chain-letter pyramid and cash-gifting schemers seize on the university's name and construct a fantasy by which their "programs" are legal?

The reason I ask these questions is that MLM and direct sales have a deep and toxic history of trading on the names of prominent people and entities, cherry-picking information out of context and shoehorning it into deceptive promos.

Andy Bowdoin used President George W. Bush.

Mantria used President Clinton.

Data Network Affiliates used Donald Trump, Oprah Winfrey and the AMBER Alert program -- and Phil Piccolo later told the troops his "magnetic" product prevented a leg amputation and helped tomatoes grow to twice their ordinary size. This occurred even as he worked in a cancer-cure claim, and a successor company known as OWOW traded on the name of the National Institutes of Health.

MPB Today used Trump and Warren Buffett and the name of the Republican party, telling prospects that a "one-time" purchase of $200 could turn into free groceries and gasoline for life.

The MPB Today scheme was targeted at people of faith, foreclosure subjects, Food Stamp recipients and ASD victims, among others.

One promo depicted President Obama as a left-handed saluting Nazi answerable to Nazi Hillary Clinton, who was depicted as a drunk who knocked out Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama was depicted as having experienced an embarrassing gas attack after sampling "beans" at a Sam's Club store -- all while MPB Today affiliates purported that the company was affiliated with Walmart and Sam's Club.

Any number of acai-berry scammers and cash-gifters used Oprah as part of schemes that allegedly gathered tens of millions of dollars illegally.

The list is exhaustive -- and the sad truth is that Bethany now is at risk of having its name taken out of context and used to fuel the various flavors of the week.

The deceptive message will approximate this: "Our company could not possibly be a scam because Bethany College, a fine Christian institution, would never endorse a concept that is a scam."

Here's hoping Bethany's message that a new era of network-marketing professionalism is dawning doesn't get hijacked by the MLM scammer's wing.

And here's hoping that the degreed or certified professionals who emerge from Bethany's program never "defend" the trade with darkly comical Troll Spray and Stepfordian Troll Patrols -- or describe the critics as bigots, haters and fools.



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