Bitron

[Revealthetruth]

Bitron or Bi-tron has resurfaced and is being promoted again in Canada
and the USA

The company is utilising the Binary Compensation plan.

- Bitron offer to pay $60 for every $900. Every time 2 people join in one leg and one in the other leg, each paying $300.00 the upline sponsor earns $60.00.
- Bitron offer to pay to unlimited depth and will never flush (wipe out, expire) the points earned

This Compensation Plan cannot be honoured. It is financially
and mathematically impossible to honour a Comp Plan that pays
'to unlimited depth', and never flushes points. Check our Posts
related to Binary Compensation of Ubifone and 1Cellnet.

[tonto]

Hello all,

Most recent development is that the Global Business Development Board of the new Cellwireless have decided that all phone credit in it's members Cellwireless accounts be converted into shares with the company. So, you wake up one morning and all your phone credit is just gone - see the following statement where they promised NOT to do just this and honour ALL of the 1cellnet accounts....


What about this statement out of one of One team support's emails of the 15/12/04:

Will my Phone balance be deleted if I don’t register with Cell Wireless?
Cell Wireless has given a commitment that any phone balance that you have will be honoured irrespective of whether you register with us or not. Logically it makes sense to register as you would then retain and accumulate the Rewards Points also. We will make special arrangements for 1CellNet entities that elect not to register with us, so that they may utilize their unused phone time with the Cell Wireless service.


I can not believe that they have done this. It would appear as though Cellwireless is after more money, expecting people to recharge as they will have a zero credit. Seriously.

I received this email from another Cellwireless member, from another I guess. Suggests that we email Andries Johennesen, the Global Business Development Board chair person. His email is
aj@andriesjohannesen.com. The covering email urged all unhappy Cellwirless account holders to forward a copy of the email to thier upline and down line and urge them all to email Andries to demand thier phone time back - I would expect that the chairman of the board should be able to arrange this.


Dear Andries,

I have recently logged into my Cellwireless account and noticed that the sum of USD$X.XX has been removed from my phone-to-phone account balance leaving me with a zero balance. I have also noted that the sum of USD$XX.XX has been removed from my 1cellnet cash account.

I have since been advised that these monies have been used to purchase shares in the Cellwireless Company, as per the company e-letter below…

3. All unused phone balances of former 1CellNet Members will also be converted to Cellwireless shares on the same basis as Cash Accounts and withdrawal requests mentioned in point two (2) above. This course of action was agreed to collectively by the GBDT and Cellwireless Management. This process effectively wipes out a substantial liability from the Cellwireless balance sheet, converting it to shareholder’s equity. This process alone will have a positive impact on the corporation’s share price. It will give Cellwireless a massive shareholder base, far superior to almost all small cap companies.

I did not want shares in this company; otherwise I would have requested them and purchased them.

I did not approve of the removal and conversion to shares of my phone credit from my phone-to-phone account.

I did not approve of the removal and conversion to shares of my 1cellnet cash account.

On joining 1cellnet, I agreed to purchase phone time with no expiry date. I in fact had used all my initial phone time and had recharged on numerous occasions.

I ask that my phone-to-phone credit (my purchased consumable product that I purchased from your company) and 1cellnet cash account be re-credited as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding and assistance.

Username = xxxxxxxxx


Failing this, I guess it's off to the ACCC (phone 1300 302 502). Or maybe the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (www.tio.com.au).

Don;t know the email addres of the other members of the Global Business Development Board - Jim Koo and Philip Steinberg. If someone does, maybe an email to them may also help.

Still can't believe it
Tonto

[jkikkert]

Here in Australia Bi-tron is now available from retailers and wholesalers in the conventional distribution system most products use. Since the binary mlm plan has been curtailed, a lot of people thought it was no longer available. It is hard to find an agent, but they are out there eg: bi-tronaustralia.com and bitron4au.com

[Revealthetruth]

Bitron is being mareketed again in Canada and the United States through a new MLM, using the Binary and Uni-level Comp Plan in tandem.

Some people never learn, and never fully understand what they get involved in. It would be interesting finding out the full background to Nato Bitron ceasing trading

[Rise_above]

Revealthetruth here is the Bitron wepsite http://www.bitronglobal.com why dont you do your homework, check out the new owner and the management team. Let us know what you discovered. I am sure there are a few people here who would like to know.

[jkikkert]

I can only tell you what I heard happened here in australia. It was told to me in good faith I believe, but of course you only get one side of the story from any one person. The NATO bitron binary MLM marketing plan became unsustainable due to some of those high up on the pyramid ordering product from NATo in the name of one of their downline, making more on commission than the cost of the product. Greedy people can't help themselves i guess and killed their goose.
The Australian importer therefore closed down the binary compensation plan, and changed to the conventional wholesale/retail distribution system.
A lot including myself thought that was the end of a good product, I am glad I was wrong.
I dont like the MLM distribution system, so I was in Nato under sufferance just to get bitron at a better price. I hated the autoship idea, and the yearly fee to stay a distributor. Aussies dont go much on mlm I think. I hear that on the American continent there is a different attitude to mlm, maybe that is why its going there again. Thats their problem over there as far as I am concerned.

I believe Usana, a listed company has a binary comp plan also. I wonder how long that will last. Its a shame when good products get the mlm treatment. Lots of people get sucked in by greed and lose money, with a few doing ok. If you are one of those few then mlm is great. The rest get left with a sour taste.

[Avenger]

This binary bollox and all the other MLM gobbledegook complex compensation crap is just there to blind the punters to the simple truth that MLM is inherently rubbish for a million good reasons - which is why legitimate companies in business are not MLMs

The open-ended MLM model is fundementally flawed, as it relys on an infinite number of people on the planet, which there isn't, of course

Some MLMs sustain for longer than one would normally expect, due to the massively high drop out rate by disgruntled punters

The MLM company doesn't mind, as it has those punters buy-in money and the thing will take longer to saturate or implode than it would have done if they had all stayed in

Many MLMs get closed down by the authorities or the Principals move on to start new ones

There are very few honest MLMs for pretty obvious reasons

Caveat emptor - but doubly so with MLM!

[Rise_above]

I am just looking into this MLM industry. I actually met some great people doing really well in this MLM industry.I believe that if we follow the system designed by those honest people who are already successful in this industry then may be we can be successful too.

I thank you jkikkert for the info on Bitron.

[Revealthetruth]

Rise above

I have done my home work. Here is the web link with the Binary Compensation Plan. You obviously have not searched the site enough. Go to the Business link

http://www.bitronglobal.biz/compandrewards.html
http://www.bitronglobal.com/compandrewards.html

It is interesting to see the Binary Compensation Plan strangled Nato Bitron.
No company can offer to pay rewards to unlimited depth, and stay in business. The New Bitron MLM will not survive, with it's current Binary structure. If you are in North America, our advice is do not get involved

There may be other avenues to buy the product, but this company is trying to sell it through MLM. It must be made clear, I am not criticising MLM or the Bitron products.

[Rise_above]

Thank you for your advice Revealthetruth however after using the product and meeting the management team and some of the peolpe involve in Bitron I decided that this is a Company I want to be a part of. Bitron is a great product and it work. I believe Network Marketing is a great industry and I have met some people that are doing really well and helping others be successful is an awesome thing.

I seem to remember reading someting that goes like this...."The richest people in the world look for and build networks, everyone else looks for work"

[Revealthetruth]

Bitron as a product may do all its manufacturers claim, but as an MLM using a Binary Compensation Plan, it is doomed to failure. Look past the comments from the people involved. Leaders cannot even explain how the Comp Plan can sustain itself. No-one in 2-3 months on this or any other forum has proven a Binary Comp Plan can pay to unlimited depth.

Why did Nato Bitron stop? If its Compensation Plan worked, why isn't it still running? How can the new people, claim things will be different this time when they are using the Binary Comp Plan again?
(Quote: A fool does the same thing, the same way twice, and expects different results)

Tell us this. How can Bitron offer to pay on each dollar of product purchased, the equivalent of 6% on each level down to unlimited levels deep?

If you had someone 30 levels down from you join, that would create $1.80 of potential bonuses for a $1.00 sale. It is simple Math

Do you want to build a business team that will spend hours promoting a company that will not last. What about your personal integrity?

Ask people who got involved in 1Cellnet, Destiny Telecomm, Advantage International, Skybiz, to name a few. How did the collapse of these companies affect their credibility with friends and business associates?

Why is it Binary MLM's don't seem to last? Each of these companies had "strong" leadership that many people believed could do no wrong. "Strong" Rep Leaders are not necessarily astute business people

At the least you should get an independent accountant or similar to analyse the Comp Plan on your behalf. Don't just trust the word of 'Leaders'

[Rise_above]

Thank you Revealthetruth for the advice and I know you mean well however I have decided that Bitron is the company that I want to be associated with. I believe in the leaders and the product and the MLM system. It is a legitimate method and Compensation Plan is exciting. You should really check out the new owner and the management team and their back ground, you may even become a Bitron distributor.

[Revealthetruth]

Rise above

I do not doubt your enthusiasm, and see you are wanting to believe above all else this will work, but it won't.

Get your Leaders to come on to this forum, and explain how they believe the Binary Compensation Plan can not be faulted. I have even watched the Online training from Chuck Pinnell trying to explain the Compensation Plan.

Bitron's own Company example 1000 Levels deep
Ask him or your Leader what are the maximum points the company will allocate to every Rep 1000 Levels up from a $300.00 sale.

600 points L and 300 points R = 900 points (1 Cycle) = $60.00 bonus. Therefore 60/900 = 6.7% commission at each level

$300.00 sale x 6.7% creates $20.10 Commision per level once cashed in

A $300.00 sale 1000 levels deep creates total 300,000 points x 6.7% = $20,100 potential bonuses shared by 1000 upline Reps.

How can Bitron still stay in business, when a $300.00 sale creates $20,100 of potential bonuses or $20.10 per Rep per level.

"Remember if a point has the ability to be cashed in, it is a Company debt"

One could tell Chuck Pinnell only new the mechanics of the split on points between legs, but that is a far as he went, and I think as much as he knows.

BINARY PAYOUT TO UNLIMITED DEPTH WITH NO FLUSHING OF POINTS IS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN

Bitron web site quote
The volume can accumulate from infinite depth in this plan. What this means is that there are no restrictions in terms of levels. A new distributor could be introduced by someone a thousand links away in the chain of referrals. That volume would still accrue on one side of your business or the other and would be paid out accordingly. This encourages the placing of people deeper down an organization and promotes team building and peer support groups.

I will list the companies again, that people said had "great Leaders", "great Products" and a "great Opportunity"

Nato Bitron, Destiny Telecomm, Advantage International, Skybiz, 1Cellnet

Guess what?, they all used the Binary Compensation Plan.

[jkikkert]

Bitron USA says:
* We estimate that typical plan participants will earn between $100 and $1,200 per year.

For every 600PV that is accumulated on one side of the business 300PV must be accumulated on the other side to earn a single payout cycle (two thirds on one side and one third on the other). For every cycle that the binary goes through in a week a cycle payout of up to $60 is earned up to a maximum of $25,000 per week per Management Center.* (I think I know what they mean lol).

From memory N/A/T/O required half and half, which is harder to acheive.
I never got any compensation at all from N/A/T/O because with people having been ripped off so many times before, they are reluctant to join yet another MLM for "between $100 and $1,200 per year," which I honestly disclosed.
I suspect that the distributors who did sign up many people, sold their soul and just did'nt tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Aside from that I believe the N/A/T/O feature of allowing distibutors to effectively sign themselves up under themselves anywhere they wanted to put the cell allowed the balancing to take place, in turn triggering huge payouts, which being abused more and more sent N/A/T/O belly up.
I dont see that feature in the US bitron site.
To be fair it is technically possible to payout more than sold as "reveal the truth" says, but in practice it doesn't balance, preventing payouts. This motivates distributors to balance by signing up on the bad leg. That might work for a little while but they have to keep motivating their downline to keep going in spite of their getting little compensation for it. Hard to do so honestly, in my opinion.
To repeat: "We estimate that typical plan participants will earn between $100 and $1,200 per year."
I personally would not get out of bed for that.
This disclosure has to be there so that when you get nowhere near the results you thought you would, there can be no comeback on Bitron.
I reckon MLM is just a cheap way to get people talking about your product. If they were genuine there would be No charge for joining.

[Rise_above]

Revealthetruth thank you again however if you want to know the truth or to reveal the truth you should go straight to the source let them explain it to you. Until you go to those who decided on the compensation plan and hear their side all whats happening here is just gossip.

This piece from my Downunder friend...To repeat: "We estimate that typical plan participants will earn between $100 and $1,200 per year." dont be typical my friend.

The beauty of this industry is that we have the total freedom to choose how we want to do it.

Thank you guys.

[Revealthetruth]

Rise above

You are setting your self up for a big fall. You are believing the words and opinions of people who claim to know what they are talking about and don't

"Deceived people do not know they are deceived!!!!"

I have gone to the source and watched Chuck Pinnell try and explain the Binary Com Plan.
http://www.bitrontoday.com/show_archives.asp#

He knows the mechanics of how it is meant to work, but he never explained how it can pay out to unlimited depth, and never flush the points. I would like to see him explain that!

Get Chuck Pinnell on this forum to prove it can work. He will need to show the accounting of points earned to unlimited depth in relation to bonuses paid out an points remaining in the "points warehouse".

jkikkert. the Com Plan should not in theory pay out more that the value of the sale. Any accountant, and they will tell you the same. It is the nature of the beast (Human nature) to try and earn as much as possible.

A Comp Plan to work, must no have possibilities to pay out more in bonuses than a company can afford.

A multi-level plan that allows unlimited width, and pays to a set number of levels is a must for a company to succeed.

EG Allow 25% of each $ sale for Rep commission

9% Personal sales
6% Level 1 sales
5% Level 2 sales
2% Level 3 sales
1% Level 4 sales
1% Level 5 sales
1% Level 6 sales
25% Total

This example payout remains constant in every case. Out of every $ sale the company pays no more than 25c in commission

Binary payouts are not constant and can be more than the value of the sale creating the commission. If someone purchases $100.00 calling 30 levels down, that creates 3000 compounded points up 30 Levels. Each upline Rep receives points from the sale. Each point earned is viewed as a debt of the company.

I know how the Bitron Plan is structured. It cannot work. People from other Binary MLM's have tried to prove otherwise. One even posted a spreadsheet full of flaws. It can't work as promoted.

Is money is more important that integrity?. Go for it. Some people only learn by the school of hard knocks

[Rise_above]

Revealthetruth, Thank you again for your advice. You have given your side of the compensation plan Bitron is using but I have to make the decision, you dont do that for me. The product work and I know that first hand because I myself is using the product. I have also met people who have great success with this product.

Here is a piece from jkikkert post.... " A lot including myself thought that was the end of a good product, I am glad I was wrong."...jkikkert is in Australia. jkikkert's concern is about the MLM method use to distribute the product. Actually Bitron is using more than one method of distribution and the distributor have the total freedom to chose his/her own method. That is the beauty of this industry.

There are people in the UK, USA and Canada believe in this product and are glad that Bitron is back.

Once in a while a great product will come along and we have to decide whether to let it pass us by or jump on the wagon.

As far as what you said about..... "You are setting your self up for a big fall" and "Is money is more important that integrity?. Go for it. Some people only learn by the school of hard knocks".... Bitron has more than one plan to choose from. I have met the new owner and COO of the company and have checked out their back ground and have met those who have known these people almost all their lives. This is not just an add I saw in the paper or on the net and jump into it with my eyes closed.

I know you have concerns about the compensation plan but as far as the compensation plan is concern I didnt decide on the plan so I am going to tell you to go to the source, go to them who decided on the compensation plan, not to the website but to the PEOPLE. I am not going to do that for you.

Well just for my personal interest how would you design a compensation plan that will work better for this product?

Anyway thank you for your time.

[markterry]

Since I am involved in Bitron and happen to know Chuck Pinnel personally (I spoke to him last night at a meeting in Penticton, BC), I thought I should reply to your comments. After reading your "rant" a quote came to me that seemed to sum up your blanket statement about a compensation plan, "There is nothing as frightening as ignorance in action." Perhaps you should do some more research. Since you want someone to explain it, I will do what I can however from your comments I don't think you really want an answer, just something to criticize.

If you look into the compensation plan you will see that there are various ceiling caps on the compensation plan to protect all of the distributors in the organization. It is important to note that distributors are paid two ways in the Bitron Compensation Plan. The first is called "The Binary Profit Plan" which is based on business cycles of $900BV in the two "Legs" of our business. Here is part of page 7 from the compensation plan to explain "The Binary Profit Plan" protection:

"Bi-Tron Binary Cap
Bi-Tron is committed to our Independent Distributors success. To help insure this we are committed to paying out commission of up to 50% of all eligible volume that is credited to the Binary part of our Binary Profit Plan.
Here is how this will work:
Each day the total payout is determined and will be capped at 50%. This means in any day that the cap is reached the total Team Bonuses are recalculated to bring the company to a 50% max cap pay out. This will ensure that the company remains profitable and is able to continue to grow.

Protected Team Bonuses
In order to allow new Qualified Distributors to calculate their earned income in the early stages of the plan, the first five Team Bonus Cycles are Protected Team Bonuses and will pay out the full $60 USD. The only reason the Protected Team Bonuses will be adjusted is in the event that all other needed adjustments fail to bring the total Binary payout to the 50% cap of all Business Volume credited to the Binary.
Note: To reach the 50% cap, all Team Bonus Cycles after the protected first five for Protected Team Bonuses are adjusted first.

Maintaining the Cap
If on any one day the Bi-Tron Binary exceeds the 50% Cap, the cap will be activated as follows:
For each day after the first five Max Team Bonuses for all Qualified Distributors due them is calculated, all remaining Bonus Cycles are calculated up to the 50% Cap. After the Max Team Bonuses are paid, the remaining total Business Volume is divided by the remaining number of Team Bonus Cycles to be paid. In the event there is not enough Business Volume to pay the maximum $60 USD per cycle, the new total is divided by the remaining number of Team Bonus Cycles to be paid. This new amount per Team Bonus Cycle is the daily-adjusted Team Bonus."

Anyway, that should explain how Bitron can pay the Binary Bonuses.

The Uni-Level Bonus plan is the second way that distributors are compensated for promoting fuel economy, reducing harmful exhaust emissions, and prolonging engine and mechanical component life.

Although I could send you are pages explaining the plan, suffice it to say that on page 10 it clearly shows that your bonuses change from individual based to group based. For example; when a person three levels down from me ( I receive 10% for the first level and 20% for the second level) attains a certain "Promotion" to Trainer, Coordinator, or Director; I then begin receiving a bonus from their entire group, regardless of depth. Then in turn, when someone in their downline is promoted the same thing happens and they begin to receive group bonuses as opposed to bonuses from individual distributors, etc., etc.

In closing I would like to state that Bitron is not a "Get Rich Quick" scheme, it is a business and as such should be run like one. People are typically cynical about network marketing only because they don't understand it, granted, there are and have been a number of network marketing companies that have been less than scrupulous however to say network marketing is bad, a scam, a pyramid scheme, is the same as saying that all dogs bite because "I heard from a friend, of a friend who's sisters second cousins brother got bit." If you want to get rich quick without working for it then buy a lottery ticket and take your chances. If you are willing to invest some time (I do about 4 hours a week), some money (I bought a "Quick Start" pack for $300US although you can become involved in Bitron for as little as $29.95US which is for registration). For the record, I was previously involved with two other network marketing companies and never made a cent. Why? Because I didn't understand network marketing and didn't get any training from the company. I was very hesitant to become involved in Bitron, what got me involved were two things, trying the product and meeting the people.

Anyone who is reading this and is unfamiliar with the topic we are discussing can visit: http://bitronglobal.biz/index.html for more information.

[scambuster]

Why in the HELL don't they just try to get their product on the shelves at Wal-Mart and Auto Zone?

Cut out all this multilevel bull**** and make some MONEY.

It makes no ****ing sense whatsoever.

If they have a product to sell, SELL IT and forget about cutting in Johnny and Suzie and their cousins.

Sheesh.

[scambuster]

They might have a revolutionary product (which I doubt), but if I have to seek a "distributor" out and wait for the product to be shipped or wait for the fool to go home and break open a case of it in his carport, said distributor will be sadly and irrevocably disappointed.

I can walk into any parts store or discount store 24 hours a day and buy the same damned thing.

It's not as if they reinvented oil. They did not.

The website states:

"Bi-Tron oil products use advanced molecular engineering to create a completely new class of lubricant enhancers. The Bi-Tronized oil forms a bond with the metal surface being treated. This reaction is even stronger where there is excessive heat build-up due to friction between two metal surfaces. This means Bi-Tron goes directly to the wear points or hot spots so that protection is supplied where it is needed most. This coating reduces friction and helps to protect your engine's parts under the most extreme conditions Most conventional oils would be subject to thermal viscosity breakdown and would tend to flow away from these areas, exposing metal to wear."

Isn't this what Slick 50 does? Isn't this what ALL oil does? Does Bitron have little men in rowboats in it that row to the hot spots?

Please....

If this **** was revolutionary, SOMEBODY would have bought it to either market it or stop them from marketing it.

It's probably legitimately oil.

It makes no sense how they want to sell it.

Save your money.

[markterry]

Once again you have proved my point of: "There is nothing as frightening as ignorance in action". Maybe you enjoy supporting the 3 plus levels of "Traditional" retail marketing: manufacturing, wholesaling, and retail. Why do think something that is worth $1.00 sells for $4.00? I could explain to you why and how Bitron works and why however I don't think you are really interested.

[markterry]

If you want the product it is really easy. Have you ever bought anything online before? I am guessing that you have. You simply go to a site like mine:

http://markandlynda.bitronglobal.biz/

Hit the online store button, order your product and it is shipped directly to your door. Then you can do what is called an "autoship" where you never have to even go online, the product is shipped to your door each month.

Questions?

[scambuster]

Yes. Why in the hell would I want lubricants automatically shipped for the rest of my life?

[markterry]

Originally Posted by scambuster

The website states:

"Bi-Tron oil products use advanced molecular engineering to create a completely new class of lubricant enhancers. The Bi-Tronized oil forms a bond with the metal surface being treated. This reaction is even stronger where there is excessive heat build-up due to friction between two metal surfaces. This means Bi-Tron goes directly to the wear points or hot spots so that protection is supplied where it is needed most. This coating reduces friction and helps to protect your engine's parts under the most extreme conditions Most conventional oils would be subject to thermal viscosity breakdown and would tend to flow away from these areas, exposing metal to wear."

Isn't this what Slick 50 does? Isn't this what ALL oil does? Does Bitron have little men in rowboats in it that row to the hot spots?

Slick 50 is an additve which adds solids to the oil which then clogs your oil filter which, imagine that, is what an oil filter is supposed to do. Typical oil in your engine looses it's viscocity at higher temperatures and is repelled by heat. Think of what happens when you put oil in a hot frying pan, it moves around trying to get away from the heat. That is why Bitron works, it is atracted to heat due to the increase magnetism created by the electrons.

[markterry]

Stop the order whenever you like. If you have a car I would assume that at some point you have to put oil in it.

[scambuster]

I find their product offerings very Amway-ish.

Soooo....you're saying that paying $81.00 to you for 4 cans of gasoline conditioner is BETTER than going to Autozone or Pep Boys and paying $8-24.00 for it?
HOW MUCH are you making on this deal? $60.00??

No wonder you're fighting me...hell, I'd be arguing, too.

I'll bet the autoship option probably makes you a ton of money.

Thanks but no thanks.

I'm not knocking on the product, just the distribution model, and yes, I would MUCH rather pay the 3 levels because they can do it for about a tenth of what you can.



Shouldn't OIL be the top thing offered under products?


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[markterry]

Actually I need to thank you, you are right the consumer products should be at the top and I will be sure to mention that when I am at the conference next week. It is obvious that you visited the website to collect information to try to validate you point of view however you have only once again shown that you keep missing detail. Could you please tell me how much conditioner you use? I know the answer however I am certain you do not or you would not have said what you did. Do you actually know how the product works? Of course not, you are hung up on the distribution method and blaming the product. Have you ever recomended a movie or restaurant perhaps a book or website? I am sure you have. That is network marketing, the difference is that you don't get a cent for it. If something has value and is worthwhile we talk about it and as such Bitron is a great product that you have no experience with and have choosen to go after the distribution method. Were you aware that the product has a 100% money back guaranty? Were you aware that the training offered to distributors is to promote helping other people, not yourself? Did you think to question why, if Bitron was so adamant about retailing it's product that it offers a higher commision rate for the 2nd level rather than the 1st?

[scambuster]

Wow, you're impenetrable. I'm hung up on the distribution, which is completely unnecessary...not knocking on the product.

However, you're sold on the product, so I can definitely respect that.

It's probably pretty good oil. I don't dispute that, it's just that they should be more concerned about not locking up engines than they are about recruiting. Too Amway-ish for me.


Answer this for me:
If they got a distribution deal with Wal-Mart tomorrow, cutting you out of the profits and selling the product for a more reasonable cost, would you still think it's a great product? Would you go out of your way to buy it?

You may PM me the answer. All I want is an honest answer.

[Revealthetruth]

All Mark Terry has done is copy and past part of the Comp Plan, then makes a statement that it works because Bitron says it works!!!!????. That is blind ingnorance. He has shown he is only repeating parrott fashion what he has been told

I will copy and paste parts of the plan as well. It highlights clear contradictions which mislead people

For every 600PV that is accumulated on one side of the business 300PV must be accumulated on the other side to earn a single payout cycle (two thirds on one side and one third on the other). For every cycle that the binary goes through in a week a cycle payout of up to $60 is earned up to a maximum of $25,000 per week per Management Center.* The maximum payout in any given week will be 50% of the company’s total eligible commissionable revenues.
The volume can accumulate from infinite depth in this plan. What this means is that there are no restrictions in terms of levels. A new distributor could be introduced by someone a thousand links away in the chain of referrals. That volume would still accrue on one side of your business or the other and would be paid out accordingly. This encourages the placing of people deeper down an organization and promotes team building and peer support groups.

Bitron give 6.7% bonus points equivalent allocation of at each level. Therefore to reach 50%, it only takes 8 levels 8 x 6.7 = 53.6%). Then they state points are earned to unlimited depth, when they know they have a cut off at 50% of the purchase prices (commissionable revenues). To state they pay up to $60.00 for every 900 points is misleading as well. The bottom line is their Comp Plan cannot be honored.

The correct and only option is the use of a plan that allows unlimited width but cuts off at a set number of levels. This is a must for a company to succeed.


EG Allow 25% of each $ sale for Rep commission

9% Personal sales
6% Level 1 sales
5% Level 2 sales
2% Level 3 sales
1% Level 4 sales
1% Level 5 sales
1% Level 6 sales
25% Total

This example payout remains constant in every case. Out of every $ sale the company pays no more than 25c in commission

Binary payouts are not constant and can be more than the value of the sale creating the commission. If someone purchases $100.00 of product 30 levels down, that creates 3000 compounded points up 30 Levels. Each upline Rep receives points from the sale. Each point earned is viewed as a debt of the company.

The more levels deep the sale is the more points are earned for every Rep.
Once you pass 15 Levels per sale, bouns points or their equivalent $ value in bounses have surpassed the sale price of the product that created the points

Binary Com Plans should be banned for all MLM's. They are actually Binary Con Plans.

Nato Bitron used the Binary and it sent them down the plug hole. Also, if the same products can be purchased through standard channels for clearly better prices, there is no advantage for Customers buying off Bitron Reps. As there is no advantage for Customers, it will only be Rep joining and buying, which turns Bitron into nothing more than a 'self consumption' Sponsoring program.

For MLM to work products must be priced competitvely to standard channels of distribution. Without Customers MLM fails

[markterry]

Originally Posted by Revealthetruth

.....
I will copy and paste parts of the plan as well. It highlights clear contradictions which mislead people

For every 600PV that is accumulated on one side of the business 300PV must be accumulated on the other side to earn a single payout cycle (two thirds on one side and one third on the other). For every cycle that the binary goes through in a week a cycle payout of up to $60 is earned up to a maximum of $25,000 per week per Management Center.* The maximum payout in any given week will be 50% of the company’s total eligible commissionable revenues.
The volume can accumulate from infinite depth in this plan. What this means is that there are no restrictions in terms of levels. A new distributor could be introduced by someone a thousand links away in the chain of referrals. That volume would still accrue on one side of your business or the other and would be paid out accordingly. This encourages the placing of people deeper down an organization and promotes team building and peer support groups.

Binary Com Plans should be banned for all MLM's. They are actually Binary Con Plans.

Nato Bitron used the Binary and it sent them down the plug hole. Also, if the same products can be purchased through standard channels for clearly better prices, there is no advantage for Customers buying off Bitron Reps. As there is no advantage for Customers, it will only be Rep joining and buying, which turns Bitron into nothing more than a 'self consumption' Sponsoring program.

For MLM to work products must be priced competitvely to standard channels of distribution. Without Customers MLM fails

For those that didn't see it here is what he is talking about:
"Bi-Tron Binary Cap: Bi-Tron is committed to our Independent Distributors success. To help insure this we are committed to paying out commission of up to 50% of all eligible volume that is credited to the Binary part of our Binary Profit Plan.
Here is how this will work:
Each day the total payout is determined and will be capped at 50%. This means in any day that the cap is reached the total Team Bonuses are recalculated to bring the company to a 50% max cap pay out. This will ensure that the company remains profitable and is able to continue to grow.
I have no problem with this aspect of the Binary Plan. It protects the company which in turn protects the distributor commisions.

Protected Team Bonuses
In order to allow new Qualified Distributors to calculate their earned income in the early stages of the plan, the first five Team Bonus Cycles are Protected Team Bonuses and will pay out the full $60 USD.

Notice how they are protecting the new distributors by having this in their plan.

The only reason the Protected Team Bonuses will be adjusted is in the event that all other needed adjustments fail to bring the total Binary payout to the 50% cap of all Business Volume credited to the Binary.
Note: To reach the 50% cap, all Team Bonus Cycles after the protected first five for Protected Team Bonuses are adjusted first.

Maintaining the Cap
If on any one day the Bi-Tron Binary exceeds the 50% Cap, the cap will be activated as follows:
For each day after the first five Max Team Bonuses for all Qualified Distributors due them is calculated, all remaining Bonus Cycles are calculated up to the 50% Cap. After the Max Team Bonuses are paid, the remaining total Business Volume is divided by the remaining number of Team Bonus Cycles to be paid. In the event there is not enough Business Volume to pay the maximum $60 USD per cycle, the new total is divided by the remaining number of Team Bonus Cycles to be paid. This new amount per Team Bonus Cycle is the daily-adjusted Team Bonus."

Anyway Revealthetruth seems to be so hung up on bashing the Binary aspect of the compensation plan that he fails to "Reveal the Truth" that BiTron also pays out on a Unilevel plan as well.

As to the failing of the previous BiTron; Revealthetruth has failed to "Reveal the Truth" due to the fact that he states that BiTron failed because of the Binary compensation plan. This is a false statement. I have spoken directly to Mark Wright who is the current COO of Bitron Global and who was involved with the previous organization and am quite aware of why the company failed after $100 million in sales in their first three years. I am not sure if Revealthetruth would like to know so I will await a response.

Perhaps Revealthetruth could change his handle to "ignoranceinaction" or perhaps "Lookingfortruth" although I am not sure if he really wants to find it.

Revealthetruth, you must have been burned pretty bad by a network marketing company or is because you just like knocking something that you can't do?

I suggest you begin looking for the truth by reading: Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki, then follow that up by listening to his CD "The Perfect Business" which I would send to you free of charge.

By the way, I have recieved my first cheque from the Binary compensation plan for $160.00 and it was nice to cash.

[Revealthetruth]

Unfortunately Mark Terry is just once again quoting the wording in the Comp Plan. Bitron say they pay to unlimited depth, with no flushing

You have just admitted they can't pay to unlimited depth. Therefore highlighting the deception. What is it you promote the above, as if people can achieve both. Do they pay to unlimited depth or not. Pay out even to 1000 Levels was quoted on their site. The 50% max would be reached way before then. Remember any points not flushed, are viewed as a financial debt of the company.

You have not answered my concerns about points created 1000 levels down as promoted on their web site. Think about all the points created from one sale, for each upline Rep, up 1000 Levels. It can't be honored.

I will and have "revealed the truth" about weaknesses in companies that promote what they can't honor. You are basically participating in a scam, and will have to live with that on your conscience. It is you that needs to do their homework. Imagine all the people you are introducing to Bitron. What will you say to them in 12 months time, when all this folds. Also do you believe every word the Bitron people say without doing your own due diligence?

Don't try and use Robert K to justify your involvement in this company. He sanctions legitimate MLM's, not scams

I am aware of the Unilevel Comp Plan, but there in no point commenting on this plan, when they can't honor the Binary Plan. Maybe they should just scrap the Binary part of the plan if they want to stay in business

Do the Math Mr Terry, before you react. Get an independant Accountant or Maths expert to run the figures and you will see their Binary Plan as promoted can't work.

(My comments are against the integrity of this business opportunity not the products)

[bitronaust]

I was asked to check out this site, I did not know it existed.
But good on you guys, it is great to publicly expose people or companies who are trying to scam (as you say) the public.
However not all the things I have read here abouts are accurate.
We are Bi-Tron Australia, yes we sell the brilliant range of BI-Tron products that indeed do all the things claimed and then some. But we sell wholesale and retail here in Australia, .. WE do not sell through MLM or binary systems. There is no joing fees, no minimum orders, and no autoship quotas to maintain. We simply sell a brilliant product to people who can benefit from it's uses. They can purchase directly from our shopping cart on the net if they wish.
People doubting our system should go to www.bi-tronaustralia.com and see for themselves.

Thankyou for your time.
Keep up the good work guys.

[bitronaust]

Please do not confuse Bi-Tron Australia with NATO or any MLM or network marketing company. We at Bi-Tron Australia sell the brilliant range of Bi-Tron products here in Australia at wholesale and retail. There are no joining fees, no minimum purchases, no monthy quotas.
You can purchase product directly from our shopping cart at www.bi-tronaustralia.com.
We do not like to be implicated with scams and such.
Not All people are bad and it is wrong to blame the product

[scambuster]

Still a crummy way to get your oil.

Makes no sense.

[bitronaust]

there you go again ...shooting your mouth off before you put your brain in gear. Bi-Tron is not an oil replacement, not a motor oil... it is a metal treatment.
Please do yourself a favour and get your facts straight BEFORE YOU PASS JUDGEMENT on something you know NOTHING about
You See you are now passing judgement on the product which has nothing to do with scams
The trick to not looking stupid is to understand what you are talking about BEFORE you open your mouth

[scambuster]

Still a crummy way to get your metal treatment. Call it what you want.

Can I put it on the tin roof on my house?

[bitronaust]

You most certainly can.. Olly!
Our penetrating lubricant spray prevents rust.....but you would have known that if you knew anything at all about Bi-Tron?
Or had bothered to read the literature.
You can buy it in 500ml, 5ltr, 20ltr and 205ltr quantities. so it just depends on how big you roof is....doesn't it.

[Revealthetruth]

Bitronaust

It is correct to say you are not MLM. Bitron is marketed in the USA and Canada through a Binary Compensation company similar to the old Nato Bitron

It is this company I am commenting on. I am not criticising the integrity of the Bitron products. I have made this statement before

[markterry]

Originally Posted by bitronaust

Please do not confuse Bi-Tron Australia with NATO or any MLM or network marketing company. We at Bi-Tron Australia sell the brilliant range of Bi-Tron products here in Australia at wholesale and retail. There are no joining fees, no minimum purchases, and no monthly quotas.
You can purchase product directly from our shopping cart at www.bi-tronaustralia.com.
We do not like to be implicated with scams and such.
Not All people are bad and it is wrong to blame the product

It is interesting to note that we get our product from exactly the same company yet you seem to be concerned about their integrity by making the statement: "implicated with scams and such." I also have a website where the product is retailed, the network marketing aspect of BiTron is a choice, not a requirement. I am getting quite bored with "revealthetruth" rhetoric, if he keeps this up he will have to move over to the "Religious Scams" so that he can preach. Anyway, let's try to straighten this out once and for all and see if this makes sense to him. First of all everyone discussing the binary aspect of the BiTron compensation plan is missing a very important point, it's only a BONUS! It is paid out on top of the unilevel plan. I'm not going to bother cutting and pasting all of the time "Protected Team Bonuses" is mentioned however it should be fairly self-evident that "Bonus" means "extra" not "only". Second point: Distributors only receive this "Bonus" when they are qualified (have sponsored two people). If the 50% cap is reached then the bonus could theoretically drop to $55 or maybe $50 or $45 or $40 etc. etc. etc.

So let me ask "revealthetruth" a question: If the 50% Binary Cap is reached and the bonuses paid out to the distributor (with the exception of new Qualified Distributors to whom the first five Team Bonus Cycles are Protected Team Bonuses and will pay out the full $60 USD.) and the remaining Binary pool is divided evenly between the remaining qualified distributors, how could they not pay out the bonuses? Whatever money is in the pool is divided evenly between those who qualify and they receive a bonus cheque, remember that word bonus , it is not the distributors royalty or compensation cheque. Oh and here is something for you to think about, I went to an automotive store just to check on the price of some of the products that were tested against BiTron. Why don't you go buy some Slick 50 for the same price as our "Engine Treatment" and after the paraffin and other garbage that is in there has clogged your oil filter, seized your piston rings, and left deposits all over your valves maybe you will want to order some BiTron to clean your engine.

You are willing to endorse conventional retail business that sell inferior products for the same or more money, so that the retail store owner, the distribution company, the wholesale company, and the manufacturer can all make a profit that they hide from the government and not pay taxes by declaring loses through spending the money on expansions yet the employee gets minimum wage and gets to keep what’s left after taxes.

What corporation do you work for "revealthetruth" because you sure seem to be endorsing and pushing conventional big business instead of independent small business owners, which by the way is what I am with BiTron.

[bitronaust]

Basically what we have learnt here is there are other ways to buy Bi-Tron products other than network marketing....people are not forced to join MLM companies..they have a choice.
We sell the Bi-Tron products directly to the public for a RRP plus freight with no join ups, no commitments and no worries.
We at Bi-Tron Australia do not support any MLM set ups.
The Bi-Tron range of products can save anybody a lot of money both in fuel savings, engine and machinery protection, reduced maintenence and it can also greatly reduce harmful exhaust emissions...That is a proven fact!
How you get it is totally up to you.
All I am saying is DON"T BAG THE PRODUCTS BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS
Thank you.

[Revealthetruth]

Mark Terry

You are completely missing the point. I am not bagging MLM or Bitron Products. I am commenting on an MLM company that utilises a Compensation Plan it can't honor long term. A bonus or commission is still money from a sale. It does not matter what you call it.

I willl ask you a question. Bitron Globals website states it will pay to unlimited depth and does not flush points

I will keep it simple. The onus is on you to prove your Comp Plan works. You have repeated info from the web site only, but have not provided any proof it can be sustained.

Q: If a $100.00 sale is made 1000 levels below you how many points are allocated to each of the upline Reps from that one sale?

[militec]

Bitron has failed in Australia and is now sold through a group of former distributers who were appointed managers who backdoored their downlines, the product is not much cheaper and they are still making the same unproven anecdotal claims they were before.
I have since learned the corperate trainer who was car qualified was paying for the car out of his own pocket most times yet still lying to people about his successes.
He was appointed by the marketing manager and had 2 big product sellers placed under him because the company needed a corperate trainer.
All his lies and broken promises, If you were that successful you would want to help your downline to be successful also, that means placing any new people you personally find under others in your team so that they also can see the benefits of the opportunity instead of only thinking of yourself always.

Have a look at my comments about ACN and the ACCC's court case.
AVOID THEM

[andos]

I have been reading the postings on here regarding Bi-Tron with interest and as far as I can work out, the gist of most of the postings is not about the actual product but about how it is marketed using an MLM stucture and in particular a binary comp plan. I would like to make a few points which may interest some of you.
Firstly, it needs to be pointed out that Bitron Global which operates in Nth America and Bi-Tron here in Australia are 2 totally different products and are in no way related to each other. This is what I can tell you. Bi-Tron Global and Bi-Tron in Australia are totally different formula's. Bi-Tron in Australia is manufactured locally and as I am the manufacturer, I can tell you without a doubt that Bi-Tron Nth America do not use our formula and have made no approach to us to do so.

Secondly, with regards to N/A/T/O in Nth America. Its collapse was not directly due to the binary comp plan it was using. The direct cause of its collapse was a number of its key distributors leaving the company and taking their downlines with them. This cut the company's sales by close to 85% over a period of a year. Whilst the company was doing well, the binary comp plan worked fine as business centre flushing ensured that it never had to pay commissions on all the points earned by its distributors. However, with the huge drop in sales in such a short period, the binary comp plan played a part in finishing the company off. I suspect that such a huge decline in any company's sales would have a similar effect whether it be an MLM company or a traditional company.

Thirdly, N/A/T/O (or Bi-Tron International Australasia P/L) shut down for similar reasons. The company in Australia appointed an administrator in June 2003 when it was clear that it would be unable to pay its debts as they fell due. Australia suffered the same problem as Nth America in that a group of its distributors left the company in 1999 to take up a new opportunity (unfortunately the nature of MLM). Operations in Australia were able to continue for a further 4yrs because the company here had a large number of retail distributors (as opposed to networking distributors). By June of 2003, Bi-Tron International (Aust) derived almost 90% of its income from the sale of the Bi-Tron Products rather than as a result of distributor recruitment, joining fees, renewal fees etc. In fact, in 2002, the company dropped both its A$110 joining fee and its $44 renewal fee making it free to join. Unfortunately for the company here, because the company was deriving the vast majority of its income from pure product sales, the binary comp plan did finish it off. The company got to the stage where it was paying out too much in distributor bonuses and didn't have enough distributors joining to ensure that the % of points flushed remained high enough to keep the system viable.

Fourthly, there were also other factors in the N/A/T/O Australia collapse, including the fact that it fought a supreme court battle over a period of 3yrs with the former distributors that had left back in 1999. The Company ended up settling out of court but for an amount considerably less than what it had expended. Company Management also played a significant part in the collapse of the Australian Operations in that whilst they did attempt to stem the haemorrhage, it was too little too late. In 2002, the company management was changed and a concerted effort was made to turn the company around, however by that stage the rot had set in too far so as to speak. The other factor in the collapse of the Australian operations was the distributors themselves. Someone made a point that the company leaders had "shafted" their downlines. This is not true. The company leaders did get behind the company and try to motivate their downlines to sponsor, but were unsuccessful. I can say that of the top 10 distributors at the time of its collapse, all but one had personally sponsored significant numbers of new distributors during the preceding 12months. The fault lay not so much with the leaders as with the company's distributor force in general. In other words, the leaders were sponsoring, but their downlines weren't.

As I stated, N/A/T/O Aust was finally put into voluntary administration in June 2003 and the owners of the company made an offer to the administrators to purchase the company's assets, including stock on hand, plant/machinery, office equipment, the trademark "Bi-Tron" and the data bases. They also agreed to take on the unpaid bonus liability from the old company.

The assets mentioned above are now owned by BCI Wholesalers. BCI is a wholesaler only and does not sell directly to the public. It has authorised sales reps in all Australian States and in New Zealand. The products are also sold through selected retailers. During the past year, the company has made a concerted effort through the expansion of its sales force and through radio and tv advertising in selected areas to raise its profile. The company can be directly contacted at bciwh@bigpond.net.au.

I hope the above information clarifies some of the misconceptions about Bi-Tron, the cause of the collapse of N/A/T/O both here and in Nth America and how it is now sold in Australia. I hope it also clarifies that the Bi-Tron available in Australia/NZ and the Bi-Tron available in Nth America are 2 totally different products with one thing in common only - the brand name Bi-Tron.

[andos]

Originally Posted by militec

Bitron has failed in Australia and is now sold through a group of former distributers who were appointed managers who backdoored their downlines, the product is not much cheaper and they are still making the same unproven anecdotal claims they were before.
I have since learned the corperate trainer who was car qualified was paying for the car out of his own pocket most times yet still lying to people about his successes.
He was appointed by the marketing manager and had 2 big product sellers placed under him because the company needed a corperate trainer.
All his lies and broken promises, If you were that successful you would want to help your downline to be successful also, that means placing any new people you personally find under others in your team so that they also can see the benefits of the opportunity instead of only thinking of yourself always.

Have a look at my comments about ACN and the ACCC's court case.
AVOID THEM

Militec,
You are correct in your assumption that BCI Wholesalers does have some former Bi-Tron Distributors in its sales force. However, at the present time, BCI deals with 34 sales reps of which only 7 are former N/A/T/O distributors. The ex-leaders within N/A/T/O did not backdoor their downlines - they, like all of N/A/T/O's ex-distributors had no say in the company being placed in administration and eventually wound up. That decision was made by the company owners and was revealed to the leaders on June 18th 2003, 1 week before the administrators were appointed. I am also a little confused as to where you are getting your information regarding the cost of Bi-Tron nowadays. The RRP of Bi-Tron is at this moment roughly what you would have paid as a distributor in N/A/T/O. Obviously if you are a large user of the product it is considerably cheaper. In fact, most of BCI's sales agents sell the product at around 20% less than the RRP. The price of the product is directly linked to the size of the order. In other words, you would expect a discount off the RRP of say a bar of soap if you were buying 100. You wouldn't if you are only buying 1. As for your comment regarding 'unproven anecdotal claims' BCI has invested a significant amount of money into product testing. The University of SA is currently testing its fuel conditioners on behalf of a large client. The company has current independant test results from 3 major universities - 2 here in Australia and 1 overseas as well as testing that has been done on its behalf by Oilchem, BHP and CSIRO to name but a few. If you feel you are paying too much for Bi-Tron the best thing to do is find another sales agent.

[Revealthetruth]

Andos

That was a concise overview. In regard to the Binary Comp Plan, it would have had a stronger part in the demise than many people think. A safer Com Plan option would be a standard Multi-level plan that

- had unlimited width in Rep positions
- paid to a limited number of levels (say 7)

This would have made a difference when sales reduced. If the NATO had allocated say 25% of its margin to Rep earnings, paid over say 7 levels, then if the sales dropped, the Rep commisions would have dropped proportionally.

The only factor that would need to be dealt with would be the size of the Overheads of the business, to hit the right proportion regarding sales revenue

In Binary Comp Plans it is a bit 'hit and miss'. No-one can accurately calculate what percentage of a sale ends up as Rep Commission. Once Rep Recruiting slowed, the demise was inevitable.

Point Flushing would have to be weekly at the least to give a Binary Comp Plan a chance. But then, most Reps would never earn the stated business payment so much promoted by Binary companies. The same problem will haunt Bitron Global.

From it's web site Bitron-Global states it pays $60.00 for every 900 points of product sold. This is equivalent to 3 new Reps joining

To get the $60.00 a Rep must have at least 600 points in one leg and 300 points in the other leg. This calculates out at 6.7% commission equivalent at each level

1000 levels example - Remember Bitron Global state they pay to unlimited depth

A $100.00 sale 1000 levels down creates 1000 x 100 points = 100,000 accumulated points

Mulitply that by 6.7% = $6,700 of potential bonuses (or 1000 x $6.70 ea) in the system, that are earned prior to any points flushing. They all have the potential to be turned into commissions.

A $100.00 sale creates a possible $6,700 in commission.

This shows Binary Comp Plans are full of uncertainties. That is why most MLM's that fail, used the Binary Comp Plan.

[stpfarms]

So I remember my dad getting into this BiTron multi-tiered Get Rich crap. But the people selling the product swore it was Revolutionary and Great Stuff. The only thing I can't find is any industry review of the product. I want to see have have it explained by someone who doesn't sell it how it is better than everything else they have used.

Has anyone used this stuff and has seen it greatly improve their cars engine life etc? I would buy it if it was worth it.

Steve

[BizNurse]

EXCELLENT Info RevealTheTruth!! I hope people REALLY see what they are getting into before they get "taken"...


Thanks for sharing...

Linda/CMAS, BS, RN
BizNurse@satx.rr.com

[markterry]

Originally Posted by Revealthetruth

Mark Terry

You are completely missing the point. I am not bagging MLM or Bitron Products. I am commenting on an MLM company that utilises a Compensation Plan it can't honor long term. A bonus or commission is still money from a sale. It does not matter what you call it.

I willl ask you a question. Bitron Globals website states it will pay to unlimited depth and does not flush points

I will keep it simple. The onus is on you to prove your Comp Plan works. You have repeated info from the web site only, but have not provided any proof it can be sustained.

Q: If a $100.00 sale is made 1000 levels below you how many points are allocated to each of the upline Reps from that one sale?

Sorry to have left this for so long however I have been tied up with my daughter's wedding. I see the material hasn't changed much during my absence. Anyway to address your question:

Originally Posted by Revealthetruth

Mark Terry Q: If a $100.00 sale is made 1000 levels below you how many points are allocated to each of the upline Reps from that one sale?

Now since you seem to be concerned with the Binary Compensation Plan the answer would be $0 since $100 does not create a bonus cycle. However, if a distributor had an unused $200 accumulation on the leg in which this purchase was made then that distributor alone would receive a $60 bonus cheque. The important thing to remember when discussing the Binary compensation plan is that you only ever get paid once for a $900 cycle which means that if you had $600 accumulated on the left side then became qualified for bonuses by sponsoring someone on the right side, you would receive a $60 bonus and your group business volume would be reset to zero. To make something really clear, and I think this is the third time I have stated this, the binary compensation plan is a BONUS! It's purpose is to help motivate and excite distributors as they start out building their business. It is not intended or designed to create a risidual passive income, that is the purpose of the Unilevel Compensation Plan. The other reason why the binary could never stop paying, which I have also mentioned before, is because there is a payout cap built into it which I will explain as follows (please note that this is hypothetical and these figures are rounded off and do not take into consideration that bonuses for new distributors are protectected): if there is $60,000 available in the binary to pay out 20,000 bonus cycles. The bonus % is recalculated so that it is distributed evenly, therefore each cycle would be worth $30 not $60. I would like to point out that in this senerio, 20,000 bonus cycles at $900 per cycle would mean $12,000,000 was previously accumulated and $6,000,000 was purchased of which only 1% was used towards the binary compensation plan. As for the $100 sale as it applies to the Unilevel Compensation plan. I will wait to hear your response to this post first.

[markterry]

Originally Posted by BizNurse

EXCELLENT Info RevealTheTruth!! I hope people REALLY see what they are getting into before they get "taken"...


Thanks for sharing...

Linda/CMAS, BS, RN
BizNurse@satx.rr.com

I just thought I would respond by saying I will be "taken" the binary bonus cheque I recieved in the mail today to the bank.

[Revealthetruth]

Mark

What point are you trying to prove here? You received a cheque.--so what!

ICellnet Reps received cheques in the early days, so did Destiny Telecomm Global Gold, Advantage International, Nato Bitron., Skybiz...

What has happened to all these companies? Gone bust! What Comp Plan did they all use? Binary!

Do no let early money deceive you. Look beyond that.

Re your attempt at an answer to my questions

The only way a Binary Comp Plan can work is
- Points are flushed at regular intervals
- All points left on either leg after a cycle is paid, are wiped,

The difficulty with the above is this no company
- can honor what it states in its Comp Plan by paying a set $$ value for a certain number of points (most Reps will never earn that equivalent over the long term)
- can pay or reward Reps with points from sales down to unlimited depth

From a $100.00 sale, if every point earned to each Rep all the way up the 1000 levels (you have not refuted this) remains in their point balance then Ubifone cannot honor that plan. If the 100 points that each Rep earned remain until a cycle is complete for each of them then those points all contribute to their first $60.00.

It does not matter whether it is $60.00 or $30.00. The bottom line is one $100 sale at the bottom of 1000 levels creates 100 points for each Rep. (You have not refuted this)

One again I will make this statement, there is no point commenting on the other Comp Plan Ubifone use if they cannot honor their bonus payments

You are looking at the final $ and are ignoring the compound effect of the points. Every point earned contributes to a bonus, thus every point created and waiting in a Reps balance has a $ value

$100 sale 1000 level down creates an accumulated (compounded) 100,000 points

Even at $30.00 per cycle, which is 3.35% equivalent earning potential, that still holds the same value of $3,350.00 in bonuses from a $100.00 sale. This holds true until points are taken away.

So Ubifone should
- stop deceiving people into thinking they can earn $60.00 for each 900 balanced points (they won't)
- stop stating it rewards to unlimited depth, if those points do not qualify at all, in any cycle of each of those 1000 Reps
- stop stating it pays to unlimited depth if those points are wiped at any point (apart from being used for bonuses)