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Gallup: More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abortion

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Gallup Poll Finds More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abortion, The "New Normal"


by Steven Ertelt
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May 17, 2010

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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The Gallup released the results of a new survey confirming, for the third time in the last year, that more Americans call themselves pro-life than "pro-choice" on abortion. That's enough for the respected polling firm to say a pro-life majority is the "new normal" in the United States.

According to a May 3-6 Gallup poll, 47 percent of Americans say they are pro-life on abortion versus 45 percent who say they are "pro-choice," supporting legal abortions.

This is nearly identical to the 47% to 46% division Gallup found last July, which was down from the 51-42 percent split favoring the pro-life position last May.

Because this is the third consecutive time Gallup has found more Americans taking the pro-life position, the polling firm calls the results "a real change in public opinion."

Looking at the Gallup polling data dating back to 1995, the pro-life movement has been successful in changing public opinion on abortion -- as Gallup found a 56-33 percent pro-abortion split in 1995. That 23 percent pro-abortion majority has shifted 25 percent towards the pro-life position to the pro-life majority the movement against abortion enjoys today.

Massachusetts Citizens for Life president Anne Fox credits that shift to the pro-life movement's focus on legislation such as a partial-birth abortion ban that highlights how abortion kills unborn children.

"The battles we have had to fight at the legislative level, Partial Birth Abortion Ban and Obamacare among them, and at the political level (which provides our only chance to get abortion into the media) are the cause of these positive moves in public opinion," she said.

"You and I are working to educate people about the value of every human life and we are succeeding," she added.

The new Gallup poll presents other good news for the pro-life movement.

"All age groups have become more attached to the pro-life label since 2005, with particularly large increases among young adults and those aged 50 to 64 years," the poll noted.

Meanwhile, men and women have also become more likely to identify as pro-life, with the increase among women coming mainly since 2008, whereas the increase in men started after 2006.

Conservative writer Ed Morrissey notes that the Gallup poll found 18 percent more Americans say abortion is morally wrong than say it is morally right.

He suggests the pro-life number is moving up because people are internalizing that through people they know who have experienced the pain of an abortion and are taking that message to heart.

"We are looking at a cultural shift on abortion, where its perceived morality (consistently rejected by majorities over the same period of time) has finally come into closer relationship with personal identification on the issue," he said. "It’s not the political divide that’s driving these numbers — but it may be that the cultural shift has started to impact political identification as well. If so, pro-choice Democrats could find themselves in a minority party in the next several years."

Gallup's own conclusion is that politics are playing a role as Republicans an independents become more pro-life and Democrats more pro-abortion.

Republicans have become more likely to call themselves pro-life since polling conducted in 2003/2004, as have Republican-leaning independents since 2005/2006. Independents who lean to neither party also became more likely to call themselves "pro-life" between 2003/2004 and 2005/2006, but have since held steady.



Democrats' self-identification with the pro-life position has moved in the other direction, declining from 37% in 2003/2004 to 31% in 2009/2010. Among independents who lean Democratic, there has been no movement in either direction.

"Barring evidence that Americans are growing more wary about the morality of abortion per se, the trends by party identification suggest that increased political polarization may be a factor in Republicans' preference for the "pro-life" label, particularly since Barack Obama took office," Gallup notes.

"Whatever the cause, the effect is that the pro-life label has become increasingly dominant among Republicans and to a lesser degree among independents, while the pro-choice label has become more dominant among Democrats," the polling firm concludes.

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Re: Gallup: More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abort

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As always when you ask the WRONG question you will inevitably get the WRONG answer. Christo-fascist have doing this for decades now.
It should not surprise anyone that the majority of Americans are pro-life.
BUT…. Roe v. Wade WAS NOT DECIDED ON PRO-LIFE VS. PRO-ABORTION.
Read the detail. The decision was made based on the privacy rights of the doctor/ patient relationship, which is protected by the Constitution.
If the question was posed correctly there would certainly be a different out come on this poll.



Roe v. Wade Supreme Court Decision


Roe v. Wade is the historic Supreme Court decision overturning a Texas interpretation of abortion law and making abortion legal in the United States. The Roe v. Wade decision held that a woman, with her doctor, could choose abortion in earlier months of pregnancy without restriction, and with restrictions in later months, based on the right to privacy.

Date of the Roe v. Wade decision:
January 22, 1973.
Effect of the Roe v. Wade decision:


All state laws limiting women's access to abortions during the first trimester of pregnancy were invalidated by Roe v. Wade. State laws limiting such access during the second trimester were upheld only when the restrictions were for the purpose of protecting the health of the pregnant woman. Roe v. Wade legalized abortion in the United States, which was not legal at all in many states and was limited by law in others.

Basis of the Roe v. Wade decision:
Roe v. Wade was decided primarily on the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights. The Court's decision in this case was that the Ninth Amendment, in stating that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," protected a person's right to privacy.

Who Roe and Wade were:
The alias "Jane Roe" was used for Norma McCorvey, on whose behalf the suit was originally filed, alleging that the abortion law in Texas violated her constitutional rights and the rights of other women.. The defendant was the district attorney of Dallas County, Texas, Henry B. Wade.



MR. JUSTICE BLACKMUN delivered the opinion of the Court.


James Hubert Hallford, a licensed physician, sought and was granted leave to intervene in Roe's action. In his complaint he alleged that he had been arrested previously for violations of the Texas abortion statutes and [410 U.S. 113, 121] that two such prosecutions were pending against him. He described conditions of patients who came to him seeking abortions, and he claimed that for many cases he, as a physician, was unable to determine whether they fell within or outside the exception recognized by Article 1196. He alleged that, as a consequence, the statutes were vague and uncertain, in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, and that they violated his own and his patients' rights to privacy in the doctor-patient relationship and his own right to practice medicine, rights he claimed were guaranteed by the First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments.

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Re: Gallup: More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abort

More on polls:

A Gallup poll conducted in May 2009 indicates that a minority of Americans, 37%, believe that abortion should be legal in any or most circumstances, compared to 41% in May 2008.[47] Similarly, an April 2009 Pew Research Center poll showed a softening of support for legal abortion compared to the previous years of polling. People who said they support abortion in all or most cases dropped from 54% in 2008 to 46% in 2009.

In contrast, an October 2007 Harris poll on Roe v. Wade asked the following question:“ In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that states laws which made it illegal for a woman to have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy were unconstitutional, and that the decision on whether a woman should have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy should be left to the woman and her doctor to decide. In general, do you favor or oppose this part of the U.S. Supreme Court decision making abortions up to three months of pregnancy legal? ”


In reply, 56 percent of respondents indicated favor while 40 percent indicated opposition. The Harris organization concluded from this poll that "56 percent now favors the U.S. Supreme Court decision." Pro-life activists have disputed whether the Harris poll question is a valid measure of public opinion about Roe's overall decision, because the question focuses only on the first three months of pregnancy. The Harris poll has tracked public opinion about Roe since 1973:

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Re: Gallup: More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abort

My position on this has been made clear over the past several years here.

I am not in favor of 'outlawing' abortion. There are practicalities that preclude even the discussion of outlawing.


I am happy that this trend appears to be real, that people are deciding not to kill their babies before birth.

That is a good thing, a sign of a healthy society.

Don't think the sickening glee that many liberal groups take in the killing of babies is not having the effect of leading people back to the right way.

Liberals are often most effective as a visible deterrent.


Once again, when you say that you "don't know anyone..." you are absolutely right. You DON'T know anyone...who thinks like the liberal filth do.

That is usually my point.

The goals of the liberal filth agenda are VASTLY different than the goals of normal American people. The filth are the filth, and the filth are currently in charge.

It doesn't matter that you don't agree with anything they want to do, they are the ones YOU voted for.

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Don't think the sickening glee that many liberal groups take in the killing of babies is not having the effect of leading people back to the right way.
Sickeninbg glee, oh ffs. "liberals" dont actively want people to have abortions, any more than anyone else. Even if you attempt to narrow your category to just the "filth", and you include those in charge in your post ie the current Obama administration, thats horseshit as well. Noone wants people to have abortions.


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Re: Gallup: More Americans Pro-Life Than Pro-Abort

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Your last post is disingenuous at best.

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My position on this has been made clear over the past several years here.

I am not in favor of 'outlawing' abortion. There are practicalities that preclude even the discussion of outlawing.
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If that were true why do you insist on posting propaganda from web sites and groups whose primary purpose is ‘outlawing abortions’.


Who Produces LifeSiteNews?

The service was originally started by Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), a Canadian national pro-life organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. Campaign Life Coalition, founded in 1978, was one of the first pro-life organizations to emphasize the international dimension of attacks on life and family. Along with a few other groups it pioneered pro-life lobbying at United Nations conferences. CLC president, Jim Hughes, is currently also vice-president of the International Right to Life Federation.


Campaign Life Coalition
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The Campaign Life Coalition (often called Campaign Life) is a Canadian socially conservative group, primarily associated with the pro-life movement. It is largely centred in the province of Ontario. The organization has existed since the late 1970s, and it has long been active in political campaigns.

Campaign Life has supported politicians from different political parties, including Liberals such as Tom Wappel and Paul Szabo and Conservatives such as Stockwell Day and Maurice Vellacott.

At the provincial level, Campaign Life has been active in supporting the Family Coalition Party.

In addition to opposing abortion, Campaign Life also launched a vocal campaign against same-sex marriage in 2004-05.

In 2005, the coalition criticised the Conservative Party for nominating same-sex marriage supporters John Baird and Peter Kent to run as candidates.[1] It expressed support for John Pacheco's "independent conservative" candidacy against Baird in Ottawa West—Nepean, and for Greg Watrich's independent candidacy against sitting Tory MP James Moore (Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam), a supporter of Bill C-38.[2]

One of its projects is LifeSiteNews, a news website dedicated to issues of culture, life, and family that was created in 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Life_Coalition

The International Right to Life Federation

The International Right to Life Federation is an international anti-abortion group. It has a low web profile and no web site.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ife_Federation

I checked their web profile, and the summary above is correct. They have a very low web profile and the site below is basically useless.
http://www.internationalrighttolife..../03alhome.html



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More on polls:

A Gallup poll conducted in May 2009 indicates that a minority of Americans, 37%, believe that abortion should be legal in any or most circumstances, compared to 41% in May 2008.[47] Similarly, an April 2009 Pew Research Center poll showed a softening of support for legal abortion compared to the previous years of polling. People who said they support abortion in all or most cases dropped from 54% in 2008 to 46% in 2009.

In contrast, an October 2007 Harris poll on Roe v. Wade asked the following question:“ In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that states laws which made it illegal for a woman to have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy were unconstitutional, and that the decision on whether a woman should have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy should be left to the woman and her doctor to decide. In general, do you favor or oppose this part of the U.S. Supreme Court decision making abortions up to three months of pregnancy legal? ”


In reply, 56 percent of respondents indicated favor while 40 percent indicated opposition. The Harris organization concluded from this poll that "56 percent now favors the U.S. Supreme Court decision." Pro-life activists have disputed whether the Harris poll question is a valid measure of public opinion about Roe's overall decision, because the question focuses only on the first three months of pregnancy. The Harris poll has tracked public opinion about Roe since 1973:

see site for graph.............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
Norma McCorvey AKA Jane Roe:
You do know this, I'm assuming. It is in the same link you provided:
Activities of Norma McCorvey

Norma McCorvey became a member of the pro-life movement in 1995; she now supports making abortion illegal. In 1998, she testified to Congress:
“It was my pseudonym, Jane Roe, which had been used to create the "right" to like abortion out of legal thin air. But Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee never told me that what I was signing would allow women to come up to me 15, 20 years later and say, "Thank you for allowing me to have my five or six abortions. Without you, it wouldn't have been possible." Sarah never mentioned women using abortions as a form of birth control. We talked about truly desperate and needy women, not women already wearing maternity clothes.[6]”

As a party to the original litigation, she sought to reopen the case in U.S. District Court in Texas to have Roe v. Wade overturned. However, the Fifth Circuit decided that her case was moot, in McCorvey v. Hill.[65] In a concurring opinion, Judge Edith Jones agreed that McCorvey was raising legitimate questions about emotional and other harm suffered by women who have had abortions, about increased resources available for the care of unwanted children, and about new scientific understanding of fetal development, but Jones said she was compelled to agree that the case was moot. On February 22, 2005, the Supreme Court refused to grant a writ of certiorari, and McCorvey's appeal ended.

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Blah...blah...blah....You're pissing in the wind. Never going to be overturned.

Don't like abortion?...Don't get one. STFU and move on.
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Blah...blah...blah....You're pissing in the wind. Never going to be overturned.

Don't like abortion?...Don't get one. STFU and move on.
It's never going to be overturned and shouldn't be. The impact would be awful. You can't undo this, it's too late. Like you said, if you don't like abortion, don't have one, or more importantly be pro-active- don't get pregnant if you don't want a child.
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Sickeninbg glee, oh ffs. "liberals" dont actively want people to have abortions, any more than anyone else. Even if you attempt to narrow your category to just the "filth", and you include those in charge in your post ie the current Obama administration, thats horseshit as well. Noone wants people to have abortions.


WHAT??

Again, you are wrong.

obama wants babies killed after they SURVIVE a fucking abortion.


Get a clue.

Anyone in favor of late-term abortion should kill themselves right away. They are unworthy of the life they have. (add obligatory health-of-mother disclaimer here)




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Pwrone,
Your last post is disingenuous at best.


If that were true why do you insist on posting propaganda from web sites and groups whose primary purpose is ‘outlawing abortions’.


Who Produces LifeSiteNews?

The service was originally started by Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), a Canadian national pro-life organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. Campaign Life Coalition, founded in 1978, was one of the first pro-life organizations to emphasize the international dimension of attacks on life and family. Along with a few other groups it pioneered pro-life lobbying at United Nations conferences. CLC president, Jim Hughes, is currently also vice-president of the International Right to Life Federation.


Campaign Life Coalition
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Campaign Life Coalition (often called Campaign Life) is a Canadian socially conservative group, primarily associated with the pro-life movement. It is largely centred in the province of Ontario. The organization has existed since the late 1970s, and it has long been active in political campaigns.

Campaign Life has supported politicians from different political parties, including Liberals such as Tom Wappel and Paul Szabo and Conservatives such as Stockwell Day and Maurice Vellacott.

At the provincial level, Campaign Life has been active in supporting the Family Coalition Party.

In addition to opposing abortion, Campaign Life also launched a vocal campaign against same-sex marriage in 2004-05.

In 2005, the coalition criticised the Conservative Party for nominating same-sex marriage supporters John Baird and Peter Kent to run as candidates.[1] It expressed support for John Pacheco's "independent conservative" candidacy against Baird in Ottawa West—Nepean, and for Greg Watrich's independent candidacy against sitting Tory MP James Moore (Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam), a supporter of Bill C-38.[2]

One of its projects is LifeSiteNews, a news website dedicated to issues of culture, life, and family that was created in 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Life_Coalition

The International Right to Life Federation

The International Right to Life Federation is an international anti-abortion group. It has a low web profile and no web site.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ife_Federation

I checked their web profile, and the summary above is correct. They have a very low web profile and the site below is basically useless.
http://www.internationalrighttolife..../03alhome.html


Fair question. Good question.

In a perfect world, perhaps it would be a discussion worth having. And in any world, perfect or otherwise, most folks would actually go along with it, I think.

BUT--this is the real world. As Hot says, the effects would be staggering.

We have entire segments of our population so utterly bereft of any moral code or self-respect that it would be catastrophic to begin arresting and prosecuting. Because it doesn't make any realistic, practical sense, I am not for it.

It is possible that our God is NOT a big-picture guy, that abortion is dead-wrong and so is my position on it. In fact, that seems likely. But there it is. I am sure I am wrong on capital punishment as well.

Compare it to another hot-button issue--amnesty. Those who simply say 'no' are howling in the wind. There HAS to be some amnesty, and there has to be some abortion.


This is all, naturally, the result of liberals working overtime to destroy the family unit, and the concept of God. Without God, or a family, 'right' and 'wrong' are barely even words, let alone teachable concepts.




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We have entire segments of our population so utterly bereft of any moral code or self-respect that it would be catastrophic to begin arresting and prosecuting. Because it doesn't make any realistic, practical sense, I am not for it.

It is possible that our God is NOT a big-picture guy, that abortion is dead-wrong and so is my position on it. In fact, that seems likely. But there it is. I am sure I am wrong on capital punishment as well.


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