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Old 04-03-2010, 02:30 PM
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The Copenhagen Shakedown/ Filth Robbery Attempt



The Copenhagen Shakedown

Developing countries understand the real costs of climate change.


The Wall Street Journal


The U.N. climate-change conference in Copenhagen was supposed to be the moment when the world came together to save us from an excess of carbon dioxide. Like all such confabs, it's coming down instead to cold, hard cash.

On Monday, the so-called G-77—in effect, the Third World—walked out of the talks for several hours in protest of the unwillingness, as they saw it, of rich countries to foot the bill for averting or mitigating climate catastrophe in the developing world. The negotiations have since resumed, but with the most difficult questions set aside and expectations lower than ever.

More than anything else, Monday's walkout revealed the real reason that the developing world is in Copenhagen in the first place: They see climate change as a potential foreign-aid bonanza, and they are at the table to leverage the West's environmental angst into massive transfers of wealth.

In theory, the money is supposed to help poor countries pay for their transition to a carbon-neutral future. But the developed world has been pouring trillions of dollars into development aid in various forms for decades, with little to show for it. The reasons are well-known: Corruption, political oppression, government control of the economy and the absence of rule of law combine to keep poor countries poor. And those factors also ensure that most aid is squandered or skimmed off the top.Recasting foreign aid as "climate mitigation" won't change any of that.

Still, Copenhagen's fixation on who pays for these huge wealth transfers is instructive because it lays bare the myth that greening the global economy is a cost-free exercise. The G-77 scoffed at a European offer of €7.2 billion ($10 billion) over three years. Instead, the Sudanese chairman of the group, Lumumba Stanislaus Di-Aping, suggested in an interview with Mother Jones magazine that something on the order of a trillion dollars, or more, would be appropriate.

"The world's scientists and policy decision makers have publicly stated that this is the greatest risk humanity has ever faced," says Mr. Di-Aping. "Now if that's the case, it's very strange that $10 billion is considered adequate financing." Mr. Di-Aping deserves credit for taking the climate alarmists on their own terms and drawing consistent conclusions.

Dennis Meadows, one of the authors of the Malthusian 1972 classic "The Limits to Growth," also served up some climate honesty in a recent interview with Der Spiegel. "I lived long enough in a country like Afghanistan to know that I don't want us to have to live like that in the future. But we have to learn to live a life that allows for fulfillment and development, with the CO2 emissions of Afghanistan." Mr. Meadows's chilling corollary: "If you want everyone to have the full potential of mobility, adequate food and self-development, then . . . one or two billion" people is about all the population the planet can sustain.

Given that the world's population is now about 6.8 billion people, that's not likely to happen. Nor is the developed world about to reinvent itself as a greener version of Afghanistan, much less fork over trillions of dollars to avert the supposed catastrophe it has done so much to trumpet. If the summit at Copenhagen achieves nothing else but to expose the disconnect between climate alarm and climate "solutions," it may even be worth it.


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Old 04-03-2010, 05:48 PM
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Re: The Copenhagen Shakedown/ Filth Robbery Attemp

maybe if you cleaned up all the FILTH/ANIMALS you could get it down to a billion or 2!? what do you think!?
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Yeah, no interest here from our 'scientific community'...

I am shocked.


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Scientists never really pretended to have an answer for our problems. This whole Copenhagen sham won't get us anywhere. Sure, we somehow miraculously fix global warming, the seas stop rising, and life returns to normal. Great, but OH WAIT! The soil is eroding from the U.S. heartland! We'd normally compensate for that using petroleum-based fertilizer, but once that's gone we're really fucked aren't we?
Actually... yeah we kind of are, but that should be saved for another thread.

The problem here is that there's too many people and/or too much economic growth. You can either have the billions we have now live in destitution, or we can somehow reduce our numbers to less than a quarter of what we have now and sustainably life something of a more comfortable existence.

Scientists don't pretend to have a solution to the population issue. We can keep trying to solve these problems one by one, trillions by trillions of dollars, but the root of all of these problems is this: too many damn people. As soon as we solve one problem another 3 come up. No one has a good solution for this, and no one is really trying.

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Yeah, no interest here from our 'scientific community'...

I am shocked.


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Please see the other thread you already have on the same topic at http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=127124.

Sorry, but running away from a thread on the same subject and starting another one, again on the same topic, just makes you look like a sore loser. After all, only whining liberal filth would take such actions, right.

Especially when points you have made in the other thread have been proven in error. And instead of admitting those errors you then start this thread and brag that no one is answering you.

In fact, I see no reason why this thread shouldn't just be merged with the other.

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Please see the other thread you already have on the same topic at http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=127124.

Sorry, but running away from a thread on the same subject and starting another one, again on the same topic, just makes you look like a sore loser. After all, only whining liberal filth would take such actions, right.

Especially when points you have made in the other thread have been proven in error. And instead of admitting those errors you then start this thread and brag that no one is answering you.

In fact, I see no reason why this thread shouldn't just be merged with the other.



HUH?

This is a different story on a different topic. I linked here fromn another thread when the copenhagen result was hilariously mis-interpreted and the intent was(is) not understood at all.

You think we should have 4 threads here, right?

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now you get to pick two


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HUH?

This is a different story on a different topic. I linked here fromn another thread when the copenhagen result was hilariously mis-interpreted and the intent was(is) not understood at all.
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There are two different articles not two different topics. Your own thread titles imply that.
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You think we should have 4 threads here, right?
Apparently you have no idea what the word 'merged' means. It means to 'come or bring together'. So how you can come to the conclusion that bringing 2 threads together into 1 thread equals 4 threads is beyond me.

Kinda like how marriage brings 2 people together, marriage does not imply that you take part in foursomes.


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Still, Copenhagen's fixation on who pays for these huge wealth transfers is instructive because it lays bare the myth that greening the global economy is a cost-free exercise. The G-77 scoffed at a European offer of €7.2 billion ($10 billion) over three years. Instead, the Sudanese chairman of the group, Lumumba Stanislaus Di-Aping, suggested in an interview with Mother Jones magazine that something on the order of a trillion dollars, or more, would be appropriate.
Who said this would be a "cost-free" exercise?

Mr. Di-Aping didn't ask for a trillion dollars. What he said in the Mother Jones interview was this:

"Compare $10 billion to $1.1 trillion that developed countries put on the table to handle and address the financial crisis."

He was making a comparison.

Funny how "climate honesty" was mentioned in this article. As if the person writing it was really concerned about honesty.


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