Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

[April47]

There has been a bit of talk about Agel lately on the forum. The company’s comp plan doesn’t seem too bad, although it’s part binary… which I am not a fan of. But I’ve always wondered what the heck that “gel” was made of that the vitamins/minerals are suspended in. So finally today I decided to take a look at the ingredients. What I found caused a little bit of concern.

4 out of the 5 Agel vitamins (FIT, EXO, MIN, OHM, and UMI) contain a “Proprietary Sweetening Blend” composed of Inulin, Xylitol, Neotame, and Acesulfame-K. I had no idea what these ingredients were, so I decided to Google them. A few of them worried me… and this is why:

Inulin – This is a type of sugar produced by plants. It doesn’t seem so bad other than that it has been found to trigger serious allergic reactions. So that’s not good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin

http://allergies.about.com/cs/inulin/a/aa051500a.htm

Xylitol – This one also didn’t cause me much concern. It doesn’t seem bad as long as you don’t let your dog get any of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

Neotame – Okay now this is where the concern begins. Apparently this sugar is even WORSE than aspartame!

http://www.karinya.com/neotame.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Neotam...-FDA5jul02.htm

http://www.holisticmed.com/neotame/

Acesulfame-K – They’re saying that this one causes cancer in animals… which means it probably increases the risk of cancer in humans. Yeah… that’s awesome. Let me have some of that!! They say that the cancer-testing was inadequate, so it’s really not known whether it causes cancer or not… but the probability is enough for me to stay away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium

http://www.cspinet.org/reports/asekquot.html

http://www.holisticmed.com/acek/

http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/acesulfamek.html


I don’t know about any of you… but I’m someone who actually cares what’s in the product I’m selling to people. I don’t think I’d want any of my friends or family (or anyone for that matter) taking anything that contains ingredients like this. I don’t care if they’re all FDA approved… it’s not like the FDA has never approved anything that’s caused harm to people before.

Another question…. why does Agel need all of this sugar?

Here are the links to the PDF files that show each Agel product’s ingredients…

UMI – This is the one that doesn’t have the Proprietary Sweetening blend… but they do add fructose, which still isn’t good. http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_umi.pdf

EXO - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_exo.pdf

FIT - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_fit.pdf

MIN - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_min.pdf

OHM - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_ohm.pdf


Again… I am no expert… but based on what I’ve found on Google, Agel’s products aren’t looking too good... and I STILL haven’t figured out what the “gel” is made of.

[wazzaa]

The production of gelatin starts with the boiling of bones, skins, and hides of pigs and cows, in 70-foot vats to extract and hydrolyze the protein collagen, which is then soaked and filtered. Horns or hooves are not used, as is traditionally thought. The extract is then dried and ground to form a powder, and is mixed with sugar, adipic acid, fumaric acid, sodium citrate, and artificial flavorings and food colors. Because the collagen is processed extensively, the final product is not categorized as a meat or animal product by the US federal government.

this maybe?

[wazzaa]

Oh and your right ...not a product I would give to anyone

[April47]

uhhh... yummy? hahaha

[Beachboy]

May I ask what the problem is with binary?

Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Beachboy

May I ask what the problem is with binary?

Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.

Just curious...you state that "MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail." You are burying virtually the entire industry with that statement. I guess I just wanted to make sure that's what you wanted to do.

[BIGfranky75]

Originally Posted by openQuestion

Just curious...you state that "MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail." You are burying virtually the entire industry with that statement. I guess I just wanted to make sure that's what you wanted to do.

yeah, i just assumed that he wasnt in MLM with that statement. :confused:

may we ask you, Beachboy, why binary plans are so much better than other comp plans? (and yes...if the plan is binary...it is still an MLM company)

[April47]

Originally Posted by Beachboy

May I ask what the problem is with binary?

Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.

I'm not a fan of the fact that you can only build 2 lines... and you get paid on the lesser one (or in some companies you get paid wherever the two lines are equal). I've never seen a binary comp plan that offers you the chance to earn on every rep in your downline's production.

But anyway... this isn't a comp plan discussion... there are other threads for that. If you look through some of those you'll find my stance on binary comp plans.

[PowerOfCards]

Originally Posted by April47

There has been a bit of talk about Agel lately on the forum. The company’s comp plan doesn’t seem too bad, although it’s part binary… which I am not a fan of. But I’ve always wondered what the heck that “gel” was made of that the vitamins/minerals are suspended in. So finally today I decided to take a look at the ingredients. What I found caused a little bit of concern.

4 out of the 5 Agel vitamins (FIT, EXO, MIN, OHM, and UMI) contain a “Proprietary Sweetening Blend” composed of Inulin, Xylitol, Neotame, and Acesulfame-K. I had no idea what these ingredients were, so I decided to Google them. A few of them worried me… and this is why:

Inulin – This is a type of sugar produced by plants. It doesn’t seem so bad other than that it has been found to trigger serious allergic reactions. So that’s not good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin

http://allergies.about.com/cs/inulin/a/aa051500a.htm

Xylitol – This one also didn’t cause me much concern. It doesn’t seem bad as long as you don’t let your dog get any of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

Neotame – Okay now this is where the concern begins. Apparently this sugar is even WORSE than aspartame!

http://www.karinya.com/neotame.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Neotam...-FDA5jul02.htm

http://www.holisticmed.com/neotame/

Acesulfame-K – They’re saying that this one causes cancer in animals… which means it probably increases the risk of cancer in humans. Yeah… that’s awesome. Let me have some of that!! They say that the cancer-testing was inadequate, so it’s really not known whether it causes cancer or not… but the probability is enough for me to stay away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium

http://www.cspinet.org/reports/asekquot.html

http://www.holisticmed.com/acek/

http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/acesulfamek.html


I don’t know about any of you… but I’m someone who actually cares what’s in the product I’m selling to people. I don’t think I’d want any of my friends or family (or anyone for that matter) taking anything that contains ingredients like this. I don’t care if they’re all FDA approved… it’s not like the FDA has never approved anything that’s caused harm to people before.

Another question…. why does Agel need all of this sugar?

Here are the links to the PDF files that show each Agel product’s ingredients…

UMI – This is the one that doesn’t have the Proprietary Sweetening blend… but they do add fructose, which still isn’t good. http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_umi.pdf

EXO - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_exo.pdf

FIT - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_fit.pdf

MIN - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_min.pdf

OHM - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_ohm.pdf


Again… I am no expert… but based on what I’ve found on Google, Agel’s products aren’t looking too good... and I STILL haven’t figured out what the “gel” is made of.

April,

Great post. While I am not bashing AGEL, it's very clear what they promote---TOP NETWORKERS. They sell the business with the name. Randy Gage is the heavy hitter. The start up costs are insane, and in all honesty noone will take the time to look at what is in the so-called "gel". People like yourself, myself, and others who DO care about what goes into their bodies are not involved with agel. They claim the "quadra plan" is the most incredible plan ever. It's a recruitment plan. You don't get paid for "EVERYONES PRODUCTION" in your downline.


Personally, I will stick with stuff that I know works. And stuff, that doesn't have the name of "Gelceuticals" trying to make it sound scientific.

[Beachboy]

Originally Posted by April47

I'm not a fan of the fact that you can only build 2 lines... and you get paid on the lesser one (or in some companies you get paid wherever the two lines are equal). I've never seen a binary comp plan that offers you the chance to earn on every rep in your downline's production.

But anyway... this isn't a comp plan discussion... there are other threads for that. If you look through some of those you'll find my stance on binary comp plans.

Well, I have been posting long enough I thought everyone knew by now that i am in Market America. I understand the MLM vs. Non MLM argument which is why I said "traditional MLM"...as in find 5 who find 5. So there is the distinction I am making.

And here is my train of thought...
I know and understand MA is not the easiest thing in the world...I think it is built so normal people can be successful, but that does not guarantee success.

From the "traditional" MLM plans I have seen, the average person has virtually zero chance of ever making any real money. The reason is because they are required to build some crazy number of sales organizations (5 or more)...and if someone quits they have to continually rebuild. And it then becomes a huge recruiting game that people can't sustain. So eventually everyone quits.

Heaven forbid someone does well...because then they break away (in many, not all MLM's). So you want your people to be successful, but not more successful than you. Now you are competitors. Despite being in the same "group".

And because you only get paid a certain number of levels, people in your own group a certain number of levels down...are now direct competitors with you as well. Which is why MLM creates such cut-throat activities. You have to compete with everyone including your own group. To me, this is just plain stupid.

See, I don't think traditional MLM's are bad or evil. I just think they are so incredibly difficult, normal people can't make a dime.

With MA in particular...you only NEED to build 2 sales organizations. A much more reasonable number. HOWEVER...April you can build more than 2 if you choose. If I wanted to, I could build 5 right now. Why would I want to? I strongly suggest people not do that, because you are setting yourself up to fail...but the choice is yours. Over time I will develop those 5...but why do it all at once?
I can start by building my first 2...when they are done to my satisfaction I can build more, and make money on all of them. From the MLM plans I have seen, if you don't build at least 5-10, you really don't make anything. Plus if I have someone who is not doing any work, I don't have to worry about it...I can sponsor someone below him, and work with that new person to build my "weak" leg. Which to me is great. My future is not determined by that person.

With MA, we never break away.
I help people make more money than me...and I like it. One person in my group has done it.
We don't have levels, so we are never in direct competition with our own group. Which should really just be common sense. (To me)
We get paid on all the volume that moves through our businesses. Not percentages based on levels...this gives us incentives to actaully work as a team...not competitors. Because we'll get credit anyway.

We publish the earnings of our distributor base...and have those numbers 3rd party audited. I have never seen a traditional MLM company do this. There may be a couple out there...but I have never seen it.

We also have rules and regulations that we (most of us) follow and there are repricussions if we break the rules. (Yes, of course there are bad apples) However, in MLM if you steal someones prospect they applaud you...in MA they don't tolerate it. There is a field compliance department to make sure the bad apples don't take over...and they will kick you out if the offense warrants it. And that is a DAMN good thing. A REALLY DAMN good thing. Any legitimate franchise does the exact same thing! This may not work perfectly all the time...but it is better than any MLM I have ever seen. I watched people steal prospects from my dad in PPD. I have seen it happen to friends in Option 3, and Pharmanex (NuSkin) as well.

These are just a few examples. And to make things clear, I don't think MA is perfect...but we have *****ed over time, and we continually work to improve. We bring new products out all the time, we get rid of our bad products so they don't hurt us. We have added large pieces to our comp. plan as well. The traditional MLM's I have seen seem to remain pretty stagnant.

Lastly, I don't have anything against traditional MLM...in fact I have a lot of respect for people who at least try it. But based on my experience, I have found that there are only 3 types of direct sales companies.

1. The type where only the business really makes money, distributors don't make any real money while the company makes millions.

2. The kind that is a flash in the pan...the comp plan pays a TON, but implodes, dies, and leaves a trail of destruction and p*ssed off people.

3. The kind of business that is designed to make sure the company makes money and remains financially strong and stable for the long term. Plus, they ensure that the comp plan pays it's people good money as well. Obviously keeping the biz in good shape is the #1 priority, as with all business...but the distributor base is actually #2 on the list. In traditional MLM that I have seen the distributor base getting paid is an after-thought at best.

I have seen 4 or 5 traditional MLM plans, and heard of several others...so I am no expert on all of them. But, I have also never seen or heard of any traditional MLM company falling into catagory 3. I haven't seen one that even comes close. Market America, in my opinion, does...Usana is pretty close. And there are some new types of comp. plans coming out that may as well...but they are too new. They need to be at least 5-10 years old.

That is my experience...maybe there are some good traditional MLM companies out there, but I have not seen any.

[at1]

Wow so you saying the gel does more dmg then good? thats scary if true

[April47]

at1... that's what I'm saying. I'm not even sure if the "proprietary sweetening blend" is the gel... but it's in the vitamin and it doesn't sound good. I still haven't quite figured out what exactly the gel is made of... haha.

beachboy... I'll read that longarse post later when I get more time... but just keep in mind that this isn't an MA thread and none of my comments were directed towards MA.. even though MA has a binary comp plan. So lets keep the MA comments in the 5 MA threads that already exist. THIS IS ABOUT AGEL... NOT MA.

and you better watch it... your post count is getting up there. We wouldn't want someone to imply that you're a bad parent, now would we? (assuming you have kids, that is)

[Beachboy]

No kids...and I just gave my 2 weeks notice at my job...so I am all good.

I know this is not an MA thread...and I would be willing to discuss the differences between binary and traditional MLM via email if you'd like.

I am trying not to bash them...I just don't think they work effectively any more. They are not scams...just very difficult.

[April47]

sure... if you'd love to tell me all the benefits of binaries... I'm always willing to learn. getfour@gmail.com is my email address.

and you DO know why I made that kids comment, right?

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Beachboy

No kids...and I just gave my 2 weeks notice at my job...so I am all good.

I know this is not an MA thread...and I would be willing to discuss the differences between binary and traditional MLM via email if you'd like.

I am trying not to bash them...I just don't think they work effectively any more. They are not scams...just very difficult.

I certainly agree with the last sentence. But I don't know enough about binaries to get into that. But I'd be more than happy to learn as well. So PM me with the same stuff you send to April. A little research and understanding never hurt anyone.

[Agel Nate]

Okay...I dunno why I was banned (NeoGelGlobal) but yea go for it and PM me for info...ive been soo busy with AGEL I haven't gone on here...ask me about binaries and such....

and yea I love Binary...alot of my friends in Usana who are 18-25 are doing great with binary structure...great houses...lamborghinis, lotuses...etc...

now with other forms of comp plans on the other hand....

Who knows...maybe your comp plan is great...but from the results ive seen...binary (for me) is the way to go.

And why are the start up costs insane?...

250 + 35@retail doesn't seem too shabby to me.

[April47]

^^ welcome back.... and yet again... THIS IS NOT a comp plan thread.. haha.

Did you happen to miss the point I was making in my first post?



[the following is not directed just to you, Nate]

Perhaps I shouldn't have put that ONE SENTENCE about me not being a fan of binaries in my first post. That took this whole thread of course. Well, I'll know better next time.

Also... just because I'M not a fan of binaries... that doesn't mean that I think everyone shouldn't be. Nor does that mean that everyone isn't and that you guys need to convince people that they're good. The point of this thread (in case you all missed it) is that Agel's "vitamins" are possibly harmful.

I don't know about you... but I don't want to sell something that even MIGHT cause cancer in the future. Cancer runs in BOTH sides of my family so I'm not a fan of spreading it around.

[April47]

Actually.... my concern has NEVER been mainly with the comp plan. If the product is bad or possibly harmful, or if I'm not sure what's in it, then I won't even LOOK at the comp plan.

Frankly... not to start a discussion on MA cause there are already a bunch of threads... but I'm not impressed with MA's vitamins. The fact that they add sugar to a VITAMIN alone kills the idea for me. I don't care whether it's a minimal amount or not... it shouldn't be in there. So if I were wrong about binaries and they are good comp plans... I still wouldn't join MA or Agel because the vitamins just aren't healthy enough. This is exactly why I am in the vitamin company that I am in... those vitamins ARE healthy enough.

and I'm not going to get into a discussion about fructose not being an "added" sugar because it occurs naturally in fruit. If it's listed separately in the ingredients, it's added. End of story.

[Agel Nate]

Oh my bad...I completely missed the point of the thread...ill post back when I talk to the doctor and clinical researcher in my orginization...They'll prolly give a better explanation than I ever could. I'm so tired...just finished a few business presentations...business has been building sorry if I haven't been on here to rant haha...

edit: theres more info at geldocs.com ...you could probobly get into one of the webcasts and talk to them about it...

There is a book about all 5...I just bought it

http://www.agelessnutritionbook.com/

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Oh yea...just heard one of the webcasts....artificial sweetners are being eliminated from agel's gel products....

[Agel Nate]

Originally Posted by *****OfCards

And stuff, that doesn't have the name of "Gelceuticals" trying to make it sound scientific.

Trying to sound scientific? Whats wrong with calling it what it is?

[April47]

Originally Posted by Agel Nate

Oh my bad...I completely missed the point of the thread...ill post back when I talk to the doctor and clinical researcher in my orginization...They'll prolly give a better explanation than I ever could. I'm so tired...just finished a few business presentations...business has been building sorry if I haven't been on here to rant haha...

edit: theres more info at geldocs.com ...you could probobly get into one of the webcasts and talk to them about it...

There is a book about all 5...I just bought it

http://www.agelessnutritionbook.com/

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Oh yea...just heard one of the webcasts....artificial sweetners are being eliminated from agel's gel products....

Nate... ingredients don't lie.

You may have a doctor and clinical researcher in your organization, but that really doesn't mean much. I've known doctors who smoke... and we all know that isn't the healthiest of habits. The only doctor's word that I trust is my own personal doctor... and that's because I know that instead of pushing medication on everyone, he would rather people do natural things to get better... and he knows what he's talking about when it comes to vitamins. Most of all... I trust him.
For all I know... the doctor you're talking about is the kind that pushes medication and is in Agel just to make some more money. He may not even care what's in it. I'm not saying that's how he is for sure.. I'm just saying that there's no way for me to know how he really is because I don't know him personally.

That geldocs website doesn't really say much different than the regular website. It's just them talking about how great the vitamin is. I still don't see where they say what the actual gel is.... and they mention that the vitamin tastes so good... well that's probably because of all the added sugar! haha. Did you happen to notice when they list the ingredients on the main products pages.. they don't list the proprietary sweetening blend? Why exactly do you think that is?


Also... you were probably banned because of posts like the one I quoted. You seem to be trying to recruit in a lot of your posts lately... and they don't really like that here. You can put something in your signature asking people to PM you if they're interested in an opportunity... but posts like the one above are a no-no. Do you know what I mean?

[April47]

Originally Posted by Agel Nate

Oh yea...just heard one of the webcasts....artificial sweetners are being eliminated from agel's gel products....

If they eliminate the proprietary sweetening blend, then their vitamins won't be so bad... although they'll still be kind of shady because what the heck is that gel made of?

Do you know WHEN they're supposed to do this?

[Agel Nate]

What I meant by asking the doctor is because they could probobly explain it better...I never said "ohh I have a doctor therefore you are OWNED". I beleive the ingredients of the gel are located on the ageless nutrition site. Gotta go...

[April47]

yeah I realize what you were saying... but the fact is the doctor can't explain those ingredients away. It also sounded like you were trying to say that the vitamins were okay because the doctor was IN your organization. Do you know what I mean?

SOME of the ingredients are listed... but the proprietary sweetening blend is only listed on the PDF file that shows the nutrition facts/ingredients label. (The links I posted in the first post). Otherwise, the site only tells what kinds of fruits and things are in each vitamin. Pretty tricky if you ask me.

[Agel Nate]

No problem, I ordered the medical book and will respond once I get it...I really beleive the nutrients are located at the agelessnutrition.com site. I swear I recall the creation of the gel there. I dont want to respond with false information...when I get it 100% sure i'll post it up. Been busy busy busy! lol take care

[Rawb]

Yeah April, the neotame is the biggest concern with those vitamins. It is from the same line as Aspartame, and Neotame came into being because people are familiar with Aspartame and its effects, so why not change the composition to 1000 times more potent than Aspartame and you have Neotame. Neotame is more potent than Aspatame, and therefore the companies which use it do not need to use the same quantity to achieve the same sweetness. In this case, a little truly goes a long way. I bet those neurons in people's brains will really appreciate the change :rolleyes: (not!)

[heavensent]

Originally Posted by Agel Nate

What I meant by asking the doctor is because they could probobly explain it better...I never said "ohh I have a doctor therefore you are OWNED". I beleive the ingredients of the gel are located on the ageless nutrition site. Gotta go...

No offense, truly - but you must be new to the world of nutrition ;) Because doctor's don't know the first thing about it! Many times, neither do their nutritionists! My doctor is about 60-100 pounds overweight and just had a stroke - do you think I'm taking any of his nutritional advice - NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!! They would rather manipulate the body's mechanisms with drugs by treating the "symptom" than getting to the real issue and treating the body to heal the problem; therefore, abolishing the symptom! Their idea of curing the cold - You go in with a fever, sore throat with cough, runny nose & swollen glands. They give you an Rx for a decongestant/anti-histamine, cough syrup, and an anti-biotic. Seems reasonable. But what your body is actually doing by sparking a fever is heating up the body to "cook" and kill the bacteria responsible for causing your illness. Coughs are many times caused by drainage which leads to sore throat (also by the swollen glands) which is also your body trying to use it's own immune system to fight off the "bugs" inside you. By giving you all these prescriptions, they undo everything the body was naturally designed to do and manipulating it to do what they want, causing your body to store toxins in the lungs etc. Many times after taking anti-biotics, people will contract pneumonia or bronchitis because they're bodies are too weak to fight anything off. But - our dear doctor's don't tell you that - why????? They wouldn't make any money off you and all the prescriptions you just let him give you! My advice - Don't go to doctor's for nutritional advice, PERIOD!

[April47]

^^ yep... that's exactly what I was talking about.

Except I do have to say that my own personal doctor isn't like others. He actually opts for natural methods first before resorting to medications. One of a kind, I know. I have an awesome awesome doctor.

[heavensent]

Originally Posted by April47

^^ yep... that's exactly what I was talking about.

Except I do have to say that my own personal doctor isn't like others. He actually opts for natural methods first before resorting to medications. One of a kind, I know. I have an awesome awesome doctor.

WOW! :eek: You'd better keep ahold of him! ! ! ! ! They aren't found very easily. They are a lot of times afraid of being liable for things they "recommend" or even approve of that is natural. I really haven't had a need for a doctor in quite some time. But I wish I could find someone who did accept and work with alternate methods as well! They're not easy to find.

[April47]

yeah... I've been to the doctor quite a bit over the past year and a half because I had a baby 10 months ago. Even with labor he said that it was best to go without medication, but that I should take it if I really needed it.

But when I'm sick, he always recommends foods to eat or types of exercise to do and stuff like that, and he only gives medication if it's either absolutely necessary or if I ask for it. Great great doctor.

[heavensent]

I'm super impressed! Wish I was in your neighborhood and could go to the same guy!

[Agel Nate]

You guys are missing the point :p . I never said for a doctor to endorse the product I said to explain the product. Seriously, I dont want to hurt people so I want to truly understand it. Makes sense? Explain to me why this occurs...what about this ingridient...is it better...and ill make my own judgements with research.

[April47]

right... but instead of just talking to one or even two or three doctors you need to do your OWN research. Heck, I've done half of it FOR you. Click on the links I posted and read. But yes, by all means, talk to those doctors and please let us know what they had to say.

and I think part of what heavensent was trying to say is that a lot of doctors don't have enough knowledge specifically in nutrition to be able to explain the details of something like that.

[PowerOfCards]

Originally Posted by April47

right... but instead of just talking to one or even two or three doctors you need to do your OWN research. Heck, I've done half of it FOR you. Click on the links I posted and read. But yes, by all means, talk to those doctors and please let us know what they had to say.

and I think part of what heavensent was trying to say is that a lot of doctors don't have enough knowledge specifically in nutrition to be able to explain the details of something like that.

April,

Get with the program ;) Agel doesn't sell the "ultimate nutrition gel", Agel sells Randy Gage & Randy Schroeder. I LOVE RANDY GAGE'S material. He is very well respected because he doesn't bring his personal AGEL business into his materials that you can buy. But, we all know that AGEL is heavily based on names. I have a couple of people in AGEL that I know who transfered over from other companies purely for the fact that those 2 names will bring them a big income quick. Not necessarly long-term, as they were not looking for long-term. Believe it or not, there are alot of people in MLM who jump from company to company who make a good amount off the top.

[April47]

Hahaha... I'm sure you're right, B. Everybody loves a name-dropper!

[Scamblighter]

I would direct everyone to look at this website for information on vitamins, the website belongs to the Harvard School of Public Health, which in my opinion is a highly respected institution. So here it is:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...tml#references

Read and get informed by a recognized institution.

Cheers

[heavensent]

Great website SB! ! ! ! I'm writin it down! Question #1 I have about the vitamins is how are they standardized? Question #2 is How are they made? Those two things are only one way of finding out if they're worth their weight in dust.

[janet1]

I think its really funny, April47, that you had a go at Nate for promoting his company when you have yours plastered under your name and the blurb under all your posts. But hey, live and let live :)

I, also am in Agel, and if you go to the source they are only too happy to answer your questions directly.

There is enough room out there in the world for everyones business and good luck to you all. Lets be nice guys

[April47]

Who's not being nice? I'm just pointing out what I found about these vitamins. If I were making up things for the sole purpose of trying to hurt someone's business.. that would be different. But the fact is that I found out something a little disturbing about a particular company's vitamins and I felt the need to share.

... and I have a feeling that you would have less to say about this matter if you weren't actually IN the company that I'm talking about.


Also... I didn't "have a go" at Nate... I was telling him the probable reason why he got banned. I've been on this site long enough to know what can and cannot be said. My signature is fine, I've already got the okay with that from a mod. What Nate has been saying lately in his posts (more than one) is not the same thing as what I have in my sig. That's probably why Nate got banned and I haven't.

oh and about me having my companies "plastered" under my name.... I actually got the idea to do that from Nate. He had "Agel rep" under his old name. I liked that idea, and that actually IS allowed to be done on this site (as far as I know)... so that would be why I decided to do that myself.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by janet1

I think its really funny, April47, that you had a go at Nate for promoting his company when you have yours plastered under your name and the blurb under all your posts. But hey, live and let live :)

I, also am in Agel, and if you go to the source they are only too happy to answer your questions directly.

There is enough room out there in the world for everyones business and good luck to you all. Lets be nice guys

The cannot be "nice" or "not nice". The truth is the truth.

[PowerOfCards]

Originally Posted by janet1

I think its really funny, April47, that you had a go at Nate for promoting his company when you have yours plastered under your name and the blurb under all your posts. But hey, live and let live :)

I, also am in Agel, and if you go to the source they are only too happy to answer your questions directly.

There is enough room out there in the world for everyones business and good luck to you all. Lets be nice guys

Janet,

I think it's really funny how you come onto a board and point out that you think April is promoting her companies. No where do I see her SPAMMING AND PROMOTING her companies anywhere on this board. Your so-called "plastering" is simply April putting the title of what she is under her name. And, her "blurb" never once mentions the name of her companies. It's simply saying she has found a good company that is the company for HER. If people choose to PM her about it then so be it. Also, April DID go to the source. The floodgates opened when HE posted on this board. Therefore, there is no reason why the questions asked shouldn't be answered. If you are in Agel why not help a business partner out and answer the questions? Is it possible you don't have them? Which has me ask you...if you don't then why would you put something into your body that you don't know everything about? I agree with you that there is enough room out there for everyone to prosper. Best of luck with your business and welcome to the forum.

[April47]

Thanks B! :)

[Scamblighter]

People, let us leave all the emotional fueds aside and focus on the question:

Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

I believe that education is the key in health matters, making a buck should be so far a secondary matter that it is all but irrelevant.
Again here is a good educational link regarding vitamins:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio.../vitamins.html

Please read it and get educated by a recognized institution, not someone who is economically and emotionally invested in the matter, who might or, very likely might, not have the educational background to be a reliable source

[heavensent]

Nobody answered my question either . . . how are they standardized and how are they processed??? If anyone who is a distributor knows, fill me in.

[April47]

I honestly doubt that the distributors know that. Unless they give the distributors more information about the vitamin in the back office, all they have to go on is what the websites that are open to the general public say. From what I've seen of those websites, they don't answer that question. They just praise the vitamin. Heck, they don't even mention the proprietary sweetening blend in the ingredients listed on the main website. You have to look at the PDF file of the label to get that.

[heavensent]

How can someone, in good conscience, distribute these things not knowing how they're standardized & processed (if they even know what that means). Those two things speak volumes about the validity, bioavailability & integrity of the vitamin. That's crazy!

[Agel Nate]

Sorry guys ive been REALLY REALLY busy setting up agel in SoCal.

All product sweeteners are being changed to Xylitol.

Creation of the Gel is at agelessnutritionbook.com

I didnt read through new posts..if there were any new questions lemme know because I gotta go..ill try to get back on here more often.

-Nate

[April47]

good... I'm glad to hear that it's all going to Xylitol. Thanks Nate

[ryananddavina]

Xylitol has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) since 1963. The agelessnutritionbook is a great source of information for all of agel's products.

[Agel Nate]

No problem April...I like getting my facts straight before I put em on =) Oh yea I talked to one of your top producers...I like your product. Hes making like 12K a month. I'm sure you know him hes the youngest ND in Eniva.