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Old 01-22-2010, 09:56 PM
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Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

I have been told by loads of people that cash gifting scams are illegal in UK and USA, yet they are all over youtube, and people think they are protected from the tax office and the law by a disclaimer saying they are giving the money away - what I want to know is why are the authorities so backward in coming forward ? i.e why is it never talked about in the media - they do the occasional expose of someone who got caught as a con artist and always call it a ponzi or mlm or pyramid

- yet there are people all over youtube holding wade of cash telling people it's all lies and it's okay to get money in the post - these people don't look worried in the slightest, that can only be because they are not going to be arrested for anything - so is cashgifting really illegal if there is no law to stop it - or stop these youtubers telling people otherwise ? Does free speech include the right to encourage others to break the law - as if cashgifting schemes are illegal - these youtubers are guilty of telling people to commit a crime.
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:56 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

cash gifting isn't really cash gifting. the crooks just try to confuse suckers with the terms.

when the old man dies, the heirs sort out the will and inheritance, often with aid of lawyer, the government gets a big share of the estate. the IRS regulations are about the effort(s) to avoid this death tax by gifting cash to heirs, reducing the taxable estate. the IRS sets a limit on how much of this may be done before the transaction becomes taxable income to the heir.

those that participate in "cash gifting" schemes are not giving gifts. they are only participating in a cash pyramid. these are illegal. not many people call the police and report themselves for participating in illegal activities, like gambling, or smoking pot. the other participants may be far away making prosecution expensive, difficult or impossible for local authorities, while national authorities are busy with terrorism, drugs, human trafficing, etc. this may suprise you, but, all the pot smokers are not yet arrested and jailed.

in my experience, criminals are slimey, and will be surrounded by other slimey people that will eventually rob or even kill them. they think karma is just bad luck, i guess.

prefer to surround myself with more pleasant people, musicians, thinkers.

most of us have no tolerance for criminals and will not even tolerate criminal behavior from family members. these people often find themselves on the street with no place to go or locked in a cell.

i will always try to help a friend. i won't have any friends that are cash gifters.



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Old 01-22-2010, 11:18 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

good point about the pot dealers - but they aren't openly trading on youtube - if you type cash gifting in youtube there are loads of videos showing people with loads of money delivered by fedex - if it is an illegal activity why are youtube allowing it - they ban other illegal activities so why allow this one ?

this guy here even phones up the IRS and does an interview over the phone with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdn-uA_ZWDg

The IRS is clearly presuming the person is talking about legal cashgifting - but this guy is using the government's own staff to promote illegal cash gifting - how brazen is that !
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:35 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

You can call it a "Scheme" if that makes you feel better. It's basically no different than a Ponzi or Pyramid scheme/scam.

But if you want to throw your money away feel free.

Unless you are the person that came up with this scam...er..."amazing business opportunity" you're going to get screwed.

It's based on a house of cards. You pay some outrageous "membership fee" to get in on this amazing opportunity and you only get paid when you recruit more idiots to join and pay an outrageous "membership fee" but even if you recruit oodles and oodles of people it's pretty much guaranteed you will never come close to recouping your initial investment.

I can break down this cash gifting scam for you super-easy.

www.easycash4u.com

"Hi! Give me 500 bucks to join!"

"Okay! Sounds great!"

"Thanks! Bai now!"

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Wait a second! This site looks legit!

www.cash4ueasy.com


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Old 01-22-2010, 11:49 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

http://www.cashgiftingwatchdog.com/b...h-gifting-law/

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In 2002 and 2003, more than twenty women belonging to the Sacramento-based cash gifting club Women Helping Women were arrested and charged under the endless chain statute. Rather than face imprisonment, all pled guilty and were sentenced to a significant amount of community service and fines, in some instances up to $150,000.

These women pled guilty despite the fact that many of the individual cash gifting groups within the organization insisted that all their members sign both “non-solicitation” and “gifting statements” saying that they recognized Women Helping Women as a private, voluntary gifting activity and would be relinquishing all legal rights to their gifts (presumably so they couldn’t later sue to have them returned).

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Old 01-23-2010, 12:08 AM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

Since you're in the UK, lemonknickers, you might want to research the Isle of Wight incident involving women's pyramid schemes about a decade ago, and trace the development of Gambling Act 2005 arising from that and other similar events.

Section 43 of the Gambling Act sets down a very firm penalty for "gifting" along with a definition.

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Old 01-25-2010, 05:27 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

Interesting links folks. Personally I am interested in legitmate programs like affiliate programs and some MLM/network marketing.

Cashgifting looks illegal, a bit like mugging/bag snatching/robbing someones house except instead of tying them up and traumatizing them with guns, you go in with permission they sign a form that says:

"yes you can loot our house with our permission, don't forget to take the TV and and J E Welry too, we will be robbing the people next door tomorrow so we won't miss it! love ya in abundance fam."
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Interesting links folks. Personally I am interested in legitmate programs like affiliate programs and some MLM/network marketing.
MLM = Pyramid Scheme/Scam. "Multi-Level Marketing" is just a fancy name for getting suckers to fork over their cash to con-artists.

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Old 02-01-2010, 01:33 AM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

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MLM = Pyramid Scheme/Scam. "Multi-Level Marketing" is just a fancy name for getting suckers to fork over their cash to con-artists.
MLM doesn't equal a scam - MLM is a business system that many legitimate companies use as a way to build up a business - you are getting the system muddled up with the intention of the owners - if the owner uses it to scam people they can use the MLM structure - if an owner wants to use it to build up a team of sales reps (like Avon for example) it is not a scam - it might still have a lot of holes in it - but at what point do you think an owner offering bonuses for good performance is a scam ? - I'd say it was the bankers getting bonuses for government borrowed money - is more of a scam than MLM.
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

they are all scams. these people are trying to be more slick in how they do it. but it is illegal! period. they fool innocent people into thinking it is ok but it is not! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2hOSWO0O8

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Old 02-07-2010, 11:52 PM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

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they are all scams. these people are trying to be more slick in how they do it. but it is illegal! period. they fool innocent people into thinking it is ok but it is not! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2hOSWO0O8
Not ALL mlm's are scams unless you think all money making is a scam ? mlm's just use a business that can be shaped using a geometric structure, just about anything can be shoved into a pyramid shape - a triangle is pyramis shaped - deosn't make all triangles scams does it ?
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:35 AM
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Re: Cash Gifting Scams, How Come... ?

Not all the MLM companies are scams. There are few legit companies, but very few. There are a lot of schemes try to scam people and make money. Beware.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:24 AM
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Not ALL mlm's are scams unless you think all money making is a scam ? mlm's just use a business that can be shaped using a geometric structure, just about anything can be shoved into a pyramid shape - a triangle is pyramis shaped - deosn't make all triangles scams does it ?
Two points arise from your post:

1) A "pyramid scheme" is not necessarily a geometrically perfect pyramid shape.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) defines a "pyramid SCHEME" as:

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Promoters at the top of the pyramid make their money by having people join the scheme. Then they pocket the fees and other payments made by those who join under them.
ACCC ScamWatch Website

2) When you say:
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Not ALL mlm's are scams unless you think all money making is a scam
it is first necessary to define exactly what you mean by "scam"

There are a myriad ways for fraudsters to work their "magic" within the field of M.L.M.

MLMs with everything from overhyped and worthless product, illegal compensation practices, fraudulent health claims, money laundering, "ponzi" structure, improper claims of earnings, etc can be found on this forum.

Given the number of MLM "opportunities" available on the 'net today, one might legitimately ask at what point a prudent observer could conclude that "many" or "most" MLMs are "scams"
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http://www.ez1up.com/ The EZ 1 UP Cash System This one is a scam. Once the money is sent they will not even respond to emails and phone #'s are fake. Stay away, Jooboy

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