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Old 12-16-2009, 06:40 PM
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Just two things:

Does anyone remember these items listed below?

The forthcoming ice age (1970s).

Everyone at risk from Aids (1980s).

New Variant CJD (1990s). (By now, 1/3 of the population should be infected).

Bird/avian flu to mutate to a version which will spread to humans.

Hole in the ozone layer.

Millenium Bug.

Swine flu.

We will soon be adding:

Man Made Climate Change.


Who was behind these other expensive and absurd hoaxes? Yep.
In their effort to attain some level of importance, liberals and their science-lackeys have consistently invented crises. Why? They are scum.

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But, juuust for a moment, let's indulge their fantasies to the extent they do themselves.

Let's say that there is an actual consensus...you know, a real one, with peer-review and debate and argument, and data and the encouragement to look at and discuss the data. The opposite of what we have. And no one, anywhere, disputes that not only is warming man-made, it is USA-made.

Now what? We already have the toughest laws and processes in place to improve our energy usage. Do we just stop operating? Do we pay money to other nations? Do we sign worldwide agreements that weaken only us?

The answer is no. We say, "we are doing the best we can as fast as we can". Period. That's it. There is no more.

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Here is another: What if we were cut off from oil, the nations that sell us oil just refused? I'm sure we all understand that we still need oil and we all understand that liberal filth have prevented us from harvesting our own. In other words, we don't just need oil, we need their oil.

Now what? Would we be justified in simply taking it by force?

Of course we would.

People need to understand that the first, second, and last responsibility of the leaders of governments is to take care of their nation. THEIR nation. ONLY.

Somewhere down the line, after each and every single one of their own needs and concerns are addressed, comes other nations.

How can it be otherwise?

Hopefully, our criminally negligent leader, who does not adhere to the above rule AT ALL, won't ass-fuck us in Copenhagen while he is pissed off about his crushing defeat back home.

If he does, he should be subject to the same penalty that any leader should suffer when they break the rule above--they must GO.



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Old 12-16-2009, 07:31 PM
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Here is another: What if we were cut off from oil, the nations that sell us oil just refused? I'm sure we all understand that we still need oil and we all understand that liberal filth have prevented us from harvesting our own. In other words, we don't just need oil, we need their oil.

Now what? Would we be justified in simply taking it by force?

Of course we would.
Are you serious?

Christ, after all the posts you've made about socialism being wrong because it boils down to stealing (which I agree with) you think it's ok to just take what you need? The right to own property only extends to people in the USA? It's justifiable for you not to give things to people in need, but it's also justifiable for you take what you need?

Fuck, I hope you were joking in this post, because otherwise I have to question whether you have any morals at all. I don't even think Mumbles would agree with something so outrageous. For that matter, even Ayn Rand never advocated elevating your own rights above the rights of others. Your own interests, yes, but not your own rights.




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Old 12-16-2009, 07:41 PM
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Re: Climate Scum/ Other Perspectives

Perhaps we could rephrase this:


Country A needs oil from Country B.

It is morally acceptable for Country A to take oil from Country B by force.



Person A needs food from Person B.

It is not morally acceptable for Person A to take food from Person B by force, because that would be socialism.

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Old 12-16-2009, 11:23 PM
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in a democracy, if the people vote to enforce socialism, it is NOT stealing!? because by definition, stealing is taking without permission. in a voting democracy, the majority decides for all!?
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:04 AM
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Are you serious?

Christ, after all the posts you've made about socialism being wrong because it boils down to stealing (which I agree with) you think it's ok to just take what you need? The right to own property only extends to people in the USA? It's justifiable for you not to give things to people in need, but it's also justifiable for you take what you need?

Fuck, I hope you were joking in this post, because otherwise I have to question whether you have any morals at all. I don't even think Mumbles would agree with something so outrageous. For that matter, even Ayn Rand never advocated elevating your own rights above the rights of others. Your own interests, yes, but not your own rights.


This presupposes a decision to NOT provide us with oil in return for monetary value. Rather than simply DIE we would have to take it. Not right, not moral, NECESSARY. A lot different than socialism, which is never necessary.



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Old 12-17-2009, 01:05 AM
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This presupposes a decision to NOT provide us with oil in return for monetary value. Rather than simply DIE we would have to take it. Not right, not moral, NECESSARY. A lot different than socialism, which is never necessary.
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Um. So lets take a smaller example then. A homeless man, walking the streets, starving, decides, bsed on your logic, that he can do WHATEVER is necessary. So he goes into a store, demands food for free, the shop owner stops him, so he is entitled to kill the shop owner and take it by force?

Really?

The example of a country deciding it must take oil from another because of necessity is actually more like a petulant five year old child taking sweets from another. Not because it needs to but because it can.

You are insane.

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Old 12-17-2009, 04:26 AM
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Um. So lets take a smaller example then. A homeless man, walking the streets, starving, decides, bsed on your logic, that he can do WHATEVER is necessary. So he goes into a store, demands food for free, the shop owner stops him, so he is entitled to kill the shop owner and take it by force?

Really?

The example of a country deciding it must take oil from another because of necessity is actually more like a petulant five year old child taking sweets from another. Not because it needs to but because it can.

You are insane.
The first thing I do as I pour coffee into myself is watch the news talk bobble-heads.

There's always some politician being interviewed on CSPAN who has to take calls from the viewers.

And always - whenever it's a Democrat - there will be the calls from right-wing psychopaths frothing at the mouth.

It's the same thing here everyday.

They are always gratuitously and unnecessarily nasty, hostile, unhinged personalities full of rage.

You can visualize the sneering, contorted face spewing saliva into the phone receiver or onto the computer keyboard.

The Democrat always just sits there button eyed, staring into the camera like a deer in the headlights...shocked at the level of toxic vitriol.

There's something very wrong with these people and, ergo, a country where so many of these creatures are running around loose and not properly caged.


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Old 12-17-2009, 04:42 AM
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Here is another: What if we were cut off from oil, the nations that sell us oil just refused? I'm sure we all understand that we still need oil and we all understand that liberal filth have prevented us from harvesting our own. In other words, we don't just need oil, we need their oil.

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This psychotic irrational rage is really a cry for help.

The criminally insane babbling, the totally amoral hostility, the desperate self involvement, is a routine indicator which precedes a total breakdown - the preamble to stark raving lunacy just before they go berserk, hit the wall and self destruct taking everything around them down the tubes.

The latter more advanced symptoms consist of ever more frenetic and desperate babbling of some right-wing talking point propaganda totally detached from reality.

This one's delusional babbling seems to consist of blaming "liberals" for the fact we haven't exhausted all of our own oil resources - while - of course, blaming "liberals" for trying to find ways to make us less dependent on oil.

I used to find them comical.

Now I just want to get rid of them.




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Old 12-17-2009, 07:46 AM
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The first thing I do as I pour coffee into myself is watch the news talk bobble-heads.

There's always some politician being interviewed on CSPAN who has to take calls from the viewers.

And always - whenever it's a Democrat - there will be the calls from right-wing psychopaths frothing at the mouth.

It's the same thing here everyday.

They are always gratuitously and unnecessarily nasty, hostile, unhinged personalities full of rage.

You can visualize the sneering, contorted face spewing saliva into the phone receiver or onto the computer keyboard.

The Democrat always just sits there button eyed, staring into the camera like a deer in the headlights...shocked at the level of toxic vitriol.

There's something very wrong with these people and, ergo, a country where so many of these creatures are running around loose and not properly caged.


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I don't know what you're putting in your coffee (it's probably illegal) but I don't hear the type of vitriol you're talking about on CSPAN. There are fair questions from both sides and the callers are screened before they are able to be on-air.

Using mindless drug induced ramblings, such as yours ,just humiliates the side you are representing. Maybe you're genetically prone to low I.Q and you can't help yourself not to use intelligent thought and espouse it effectively.

It must be horrible, to be so full of hate and anger, for those who have an alternative view. You sir, do your side, if you have one, a huge disservice and lend no credibility to your views. Why not try to be civil and lend some credence to your beliefs? That's the ONLY way you'll ever get your ideas across. For now, you are a big joke. Try drinking your coffee black.

I'm sure I'll receive a rousing retort that will further prove my point.

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Old 12-17-2009, 07:49 AM
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I don't know what you're putting in your coffee (it's probably illegal) but I don't hear the type of vitriol you're talking about on CSPAN. There are fair questions from both sides and the callers are screened before they are able to be on-air.

Using mindless drug induced ramblings, such as yours ,just humiliates the side you are representing. Maybe you're genetically prone to low I.Q and you can't help yourself not to use intelligent thought and espouse it effectively.

It must be horrible, to be so full of hate and anger, for those who have an alternative view. You sir, do your side, if you have one, a huge disservice and lend no credibility to your views. Why not try to be civil and lend some credence to your beliefs? That's the ONLY way you'll ever get your ideas across. For now, you are a big joke. Try drinking your coffee black.

I'm sure I'll receive a rousing retort that will further prove my point.
Well said....

You will either get:

A: A picture of feces.
B: A profanity laced rant.
C: A possible anti-Jewish remark.
D: All of the above.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:33 PM
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This psychotic irrational rage is really a cry for help.

The criminally insane babbling, the totally amoral hostility, the desperate self involvement, is a routine indicator which precedes a total breakdown - the preamble to stark raving lunacy just before they go berserk, hit the wall and self destruct taking everything around them down the tubes.

The latter more advanced symptoms consist of ever more frenetic and desperate babbling of some right-wing talking point propaganda totally detached from reality.

This one's delusional babbling seems to consist of blaming "liberals" for the fact we haven't exhausted all of our own oil resources - while - of course, blaming "liberals" for trying to find ways to make us less dependent on oil.

I used to find them comical.

Now I just want to get rid of them.




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LOL!

Wow. Self-aware much?

Here is the post you quoted in your above comment:

Originally Posted by pwrone
Here is another: What if we were cut off from oil, the nations that sell us oil just refused? I'm sure we all understand that we still need oil and we all understand that liberal filth have prevented us from harvesting our own. In other words, we don't just need oil, we need their oil.

Here is a word or two from your 'response'
criminally insane babbling, the totally amoral hostility, the desperate self involvement, is a routine indicator which precedes a total breakdown - the preamble to stark raving lunacy just before they go berserk, hit the wall and self destruct



Need I say more?

Every so often you degenerate into something not only petty and vicious, but, as a bonus, ignorant and confused.

Thanks for sharing that with us.



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This presupposes a decision to NOT provide us with oil in return for monetary value. Rather than simply DIE we would have to take it. Not right, not moral, NECESSARY. A lot different than socialism, which is never necessary.



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I just can't wrap my head around how you can reconcile this. You honestly believe it's ok to kill and maim innocent people in order to obtain oil so you can drive your SUV.

How can you stand by this? How can you possibly think it's ok to kill innocent people because they have something you want? I've seen starving children on the streets of India with more dignity and morality than this. And you would kill for fucking oil?

On the other hand, the whole moral fabric of society would come crumbling down if two men got married and it's completely unthinkable to provide healthcare to people in need.


I guess it would be ok for someone who needed healthcare to kill you and take your money?


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Old 12-17-2009, 01:12 PM
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I just can't wrap my head around how you can reconcile this. You honestly believe it's ok to kill and maim innocent people in order to obtain oil so you can drive your SUV.

How can you stand by this? How can you possibly think it's ok to kill innocent people because they have something you want? I've seen starving children on the streets of India with more dignity and morality than this. And you would kill for fucking oil?

On the other hand, the whole moral fabric of society would come crumbling down if two men got married and it's completely unthinkable to provide healthcare to people in need.


I guess it would be ok for someone who needed healthcare to kill you and take your money?


"SUVs"

Okay. So you don't get it.

Ground the planes, the trains, the cars, all the manufacturers and businesses, etc. Everything that moves people from one place to another. Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks, etc.

It's all right. Let's move on.

No point in exploring the abstract in an empty fucking room.





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Old 12-17-2009, 01:24 PM
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"SUVs"

Okay. So you don't get it.

Ground the planes, the trains, the cars, all the manufacturers and businesses, etc. Everything that moves people from one place to another. Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks, etc.

It's all right. Let's move on.

No point in exploring the abstract in an empty fucking room.





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So because you have grown dependent on something they produce, you now have the right to take it by force if they stop providing it to you?

Kind of like how people are dependent on healthcare, no? So you agree that they should be able to take it by force if someone doesn't provide it to them?

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Old 12-17-2009, 01:38 PM
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So because you have grown dependent on something they produce, you now have the right to take it by force if they stop providing it to you?

Kind of like how people are dependent on healthcare, no? So you agree that they should be able to take it by force if someone doesn't provide it to them?


yes. of course. these two ideas are not only compatible, they are identical. the healthcare insurance of an individual is exactly the same as starving an industrial nation of fuel.

yep.



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So why, then, are you against health care being provided to them??? Do you want to see force be required? I just don't understand.

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So why, then, are you against health care being provided to them??? Do you want to see force be required? I just don't understand.
Sometimes sarcasim can be subtle, but an individual health insurance policy the same as starving an entire nation of a vital resource that completely shuts the country down....come on surely you can see the difference?


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Old 12-17-2009, 03:32 PM
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Just for the record, again. Health care is never ever denied to anyone in the US, period. Every single person in the US gets health Care, foreigner or Citizen.

The overhaul is about Government run Health Care....


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