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Old 09-04-2009, 03:19 PM
almighty joe almighty joe is offline
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Patrick Pretty Runs Away

You people are obviously into refuting scams but have you heard of Patrick Pretty? Well there's a guy that really stretches the truth or should I say bends it with words to fit his agenda on Surf programs mostly. I gave him a hard time a couple of times and he kicked me off his Blog like a big baby. I didn't mean to intimidate him but I guess I do. Just be careful if you do know who he is and you post on his little blog.



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Old 09-04-2009, 06:17 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Link to Patrick's version of events

Patrick isn't running from you joe. While from time to time you raised interesting points to discuss on Patrick's blog for the most part you were nothing but a common, childish troll and after being warned you were banned. If you behave the same way on this forum we'll ban you as well.

I'll leave your petty little harangue in place despite it being nothing more than a spiteful personal attack because I'm confident most people will agree that it reflects more poorly on you than it does on Patrick.


But aside from all of that, welcome to scam.com.




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Old 09-07-2009, 11:21 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Well you're obviously a Pretty fan, good for you. As far as banningme I don't think that's your call.


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Old 09-07-2009, 12:52 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

No, it is within the Cynic's power and authority to do so, Joe.

Never underestimate the might of a cute cat.


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Old 09-07-2009, 04:52 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Thank you for directing readers to Patrick Pretty's blog.

It is a well researched site and makes a clear distinction between verified reported content and editorial content.

There is plenty of information on various scams in his Ponzi News site and he is widely recognized to be the most reliable authority on the development of the ASD scam proceedings. ASD is the 120,000 strong Florida autosurf business which was raided last year by the US Secret Service on money laundering and wire fraud charges.

Neeedless to say, he is not popular with promoters of these scams.


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Old 09-08-2009, 10:55 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Well I know some of his info is correct but what bothers me the most is how all of his followers believe every word he writes. He has completely stretched the truth and twisted it to fit his agenda on many occasions, the latest being "We are under Attack" concerning me posting from a different IP address. That was so bogus, over the top, and completely dramatized bullsh*t. He did post what I told him to though so that I could retire the way I wanted. He made it look like he was just quoting me but in reality he did what I told him to. I also recently let him know that since I can't post there(I could very easily if I wanted) it would be best for my name to go unmentioned from now on because if I see my name and see these brave comments from people who know I can't post then I'll have to make a comeback. The analogy I used was Beetlejuice. Three times and watch out!


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Old 09-08-2009, 12:18 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Many bloggers have blogs to post their views on subjects - political, satire or otherwise. If you dont agree with what he is saying or think he "bends" the truth then either say so in a polite manner, or better yet dont read his blog? There is no excuse for abusive comments or blogging from different IPs or Names. It makes you seem childish.

There are plenty of people on the Internet I disagree with, trust me. I just don't "hang out" where they post their thoughts/blogs.

As for your comment about all his followers believing every word he says, thats cause for speculation, it would never hold up in a court of law :P

Regards


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Old 09-08-2009, 01:52 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Well it started out politely enough but he has some posters who are insulting and try to come off as "highly intelligent" and attack your intellect and otherwise have a high opinion of themselves and it was hard not to respond in kind. You have to also understand it was me alone against his entire community. There were people who agreed with me but evidently were afraid to post. It's true, after a while I was just being disruptive some of the time but there is no middle ground with them.


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Old 09-08-2009, 02:01 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Either way it's not a scam - it's you disagreeing with the author of the blog [and the majority of the community] - ergo this is not the place to rant about him.

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Old 09-08-2009, 08:53 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Hey joe,

Start your own blog, forum or whatever else you wish....then you get to decide.

It's good to be the king!


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Old 09-09-2009, 03:14 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

mumei,

Where little joe got into disagreements with people was over the morals of the AVG Ponzi scheme. His posts on the Patrick Pretty site were as a strong supporter of AdViewGlobal, but not in the sense that he would explain that it is a good and legal program. Rather, he explained how he didn't care that the program, along with others he supported, was illegal, and offered tips on how to personally benefit from such illegal scams (in other words, join early). Many of the posters at the PP site are anti-scam, and so I suppose it is no surprise that they (and I) would disagree (sometimes sharply) with a person who was admittedly pro-scam and pro-Ponzi.

You are right however, in that joe should start a thread on AVG or comment on the existing thread if he wants to argue in favor of that scam.


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Either way it's not a scam - it's you disagreeing with the author of the blog [and the majority of the community] - ergo this is not the place to rant about him.

Regards


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Old 09-09-2009, 04:36 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

To be honest I'm not really famillar with the AVG program, but its not the point.

By saying its not a scam I meant he started this thread just attacking a blog, I dont think the AVG program (or any program) were even mentioned.

Whether AVG is a scam or not, I haven't a clue.

But yes if he wants to argue it he should start a new thread now.

Regards


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Old 09-11-2009, 11:38 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Well actually I would rather disagree with the current notion by Patrick that because gambling is "highly regulated" that it puts it in a much better position than surfs. The whole comment based on the "don't spend more than you can afford to lose" position of surf promotors. I would dare say to you that the casinos in our wonderful country have contributed far more damage to lives than any surf. We have all heard the stories about people who have gambled away entire portfolios, homes, with the result of innocent children being uprooted with nowhere to go. Marriages ruined, overall familial relationships being devastated and yes people even being killed over it. Regulated, you bet so the government can collect their winnings from the winners and losers alike. You don't see them preventing people from losing everything they have do you? Are you kidding? They make a whole lot of money from the casinos in this country. I'm not against gambling at all, in fact a trip to Vegas every now and then is great but I sure as hell know when to quit.


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Old 09-11-2009, 11:39 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

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Originally Posted by mumei101 View Post
To be honest I'm not really famillar with the AVG program, but its not the point.

By saying its not a scam I meant he started this thread just attacking a blog, I dont think the AVG program (or any program) were even mentioned.

Whether AVG is a scam or not, I haven't a clue.

But yes if he wants to argue it he should start a new thread now.

Regards
I like this thread just fine.


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Old 09-11-2009, 03:25 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

Gambling is legal and regulated. You know the odds. And it can ruin lives.

Alcohol is legal and can ruin lives.

Cigarettes are legal and can kill you.

Ponzis are illegal and can ruin whole countries. See the 1996 Albanian ponzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_rebellion_in_Albania

The Fed weighed in when 12DP went down in regards to the charge backs.

Ponzi's are illegal. Ponzi's are illegal. Ponzi's are illegal.


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Well actually I would rather disagree with the current notion by Patrick that because gambling is "highly regulated" that it puts it in a much better position than surfs. The whole comment based on the "don't spend more than you can afford to lose" position of surf promotors. I would dare say to you that the casinos in our wonderful country have contributed far more damage to lives than any surf. We have all heard the stories about people who have gambled away entire portfolios, homes, with the result of innocent children being uprooted with nowhere to go. Marriages ruined, overall familial relationships being devastated and yes people even being killed over it. Regulated, you bet so the government can collect their winnings from the winners and losers alike. You don't see them preventing people from losing everything they have do you? Are you kidding? They make a whole lot of money from the casinos in this country. I'm not against gambling at all, in fact a trip to Vegas every now and then is great but I sure as hell know when to quit.


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Old 09-11-2009, 10:05 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

All the above are legal and have one thing in common, the government makes a ton of money off of it. What do you want to bet if they could regulate surfs they would be legal? You name one instance where a ponzi ruined a country, well to my knowledge they are still there and not only that it was a fluke thing as you well know but it looks great in your agenda. There is no way on this planet that you can tell me the government gives a shit about what it can do to people as long as they are making their money as is evidenced in the above "highly regulated" and legal things you mentioned. I haven't looked into it so your safe with your Albanian example but I would bet anything there was a lot more to it than just the ponzi factor. You might even know what those factors are but you sure wouldn't admit it. In fact it's highly probable that there is a lot more to it than that.


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Old 09-11-2009, 11:23 PM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

The government does make money on taxes of the above. The second factor is that when money is running low for what citizens want, they want higher "sin" taxes, they don't want higher income taxes. Tax the other guy.

If you visit Albanian cities now, you can see the half-constructed shells of abandoned buildings started during the Ponzi. It's still a top topic of conversation. More than a few people want to get out, 13 years later, because of the ongoing effects of the Ponzi.

At the time of the collapse, over 40% of Albania's GDP was tied up in the Ponzi's.

Since you won't bother to read the article, I will copy and paste it here for you to ignore.

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The 1997 unrest in Albania, also known as the Lottery Uprising, was an uprising sparked by Ponzi scheme failures.

Causes

In the mid-1990s, Albania was becoming a liberalized economy after years under a controlled economy; the rudimentary financial system became dominated by Ponzi schemes, and government officials endorsed a series of pyramid investment funds. Many Albanians, approximately two-thirds of the population, invested in them. By 1997 the inevitable end came, and the people of Albania, who had lost $1.2 billion (out of a small population of 3 million), took their protest to the streets where uncontained rioting, fueled by their discontent at the state's failure to protect them from the fraud, led to the toppling of the government and the country descended into anarchy in which some 2,000 people were killed.[3]

Albania disintegrated into chaos and armed revolt soon after pyramid investment schemes failed in January 1997. The schemes (actually fronts for laundering money and dealing in weapons) could no longer make payments once the number of investors grew to include the vast majority of Albanians, who had been lured by get-rich-quick promises.

Overview

Beginning in February, thousands of citizens gathered daily, demanding reimbursement by the government, which they suspected of profiting from the schemes. By March 1997, the protests had turned violent in the south, especially around the port city of Vlora, where numerous residents armed themselves with weapons looted from army barracks. On March 2, president Sali Berisha declared a state of emergency, but rioting and destruction spread throughout the country, gripping the capital, Tirana, for two weeks. Although the government quelled revolts in the north, the government and military establishments began to scatter and anarchy swept across the country, the southern half of Albania falling under the control of rebels and criminal gangs.[4]

On March 11, the members of the Socialist Party of Albania won a major victory when their leader Bashkim Fino was appointed prime minister. However, the transfer of power did not stop the unrest, as protests spread to northern Albania. By March 13, all major population centers were engulfed in demonstrations, and foreign countries began to evacuate their citizens from Albania.[4] (see Operation Libelle, Operation Silver Wake)

Fearing the spread of unrest outside Albania's borders -- and alarmed at the third wave of refugees from the country in a decade -- the United Nations authorized a force of 7,000 on March 28 to direct relief efforts and to restore order. On April 15, the 7,000 troops participated in Operation Sunrise, an Italian-led mission which helped restore rule of law to the country.[4]
After the unrest, over 3,000,000 guns were transported to Serbia's southern province of Kosovo and the guerrilla forces of Kosovo Liberation Army had received considerable armament for its fights.[5]

Aftermath

In elections in June and July 1997, Berisha and his party were voted out of power, and all UN forces left Albania by August 11. The Socialists elected Rexhep Meidani as President of the Republic.

References
  • Afrim Krasniqi: “Rėnia e demokracisė”. Tirana 1998
  1. ^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
  2. ^ Albanian National Scandal Ponzi
  3. ^ Christopher Jarvis, The Rise and Fall of Albania's Pyramid Schemes, Finance & Development: A Quarterly Magazine of the IMF, March 2000.
  4. ^ a b c Albanian Civil War (1997)
  5. ^ Kosovo: Background to crisis (March 1999) - Jane's Defence News
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All the above are legal and have one thing in common, the government makes a ton of money off of it. What do you want to bet if they could regulate surfs they would be legal? You name one instance where a ponzi ruined a country, well to my knowledge they are still there and not only that it was a fluke thing as you well know but it looks great in your agenda. There is no way on this planet that you can tell me the government gives a shit about what it can do to people as long as they are making their money as is evidenced in the above "highly regulated" and legal things you mentioned. I haven't looked into it so your safe with your Albanian example but I would bet anything there was a lot more to it than just the ponzi factor. You might even know what those factors are but you sure wouldn't admit it. In fact it's highly probable that there is a lot more to it than that.


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Old 09-12-2009, 12:32 AM
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Re: Patrick Pretty Runs Away

db: Don't go confusing joe with facts. That means he would have to actually process them and he is too lazy to do so. That would also destroy his "why is everybody always picking on me" whining mantra.



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