This website scam.com comes up quite frequently on the first page of many organic search results as I research various businesses. On the surface, this site would seem to be a valuable resource in the pursuit of vetting the legitimacy of various products and services. However, as I look at other internet sources, I find that many of the same user names that frequently post on scam.com, also show up on many other websites and blogs whenever there is a discussion on just about any product or service you can think of. These people understand the SEO game and are creating traffic and internet recognition for themselves by being what I call “professional debunkers”. They stay strictly on the negative side of every product or business they comment on.
I fully realize that the internet is an open forum of ideas and comments and is strictly a cyber form of buyer beware, but thought it important for those that don’t know about this “debunkers” game. Generally most of these people appear to be doing solid research and passing along valuable information, but from first hand knowledge of various affiliate or MLM businesses I am involved in myself, I can tell that much of the information they post is usually outdated and heavily laden with half-truths to serve their purposes.
Bottom line: You may get some general information on scam.com that may help you but beware of the frequent posters. There are underlying reasons for their comments.
uh, the name of the site is scam.com. yes, all my comments about scams are negative.
as for MLM, if the product does what it says it does, it can be sold on the shelves at k-mart and doesn't need endless recruiting of new salemen resulting in the product being over-priced, and most people just wasting their money on positive thinking seminars, books and tapes. (now cds, too)
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Bottom line: You may get some general information on scam.com that may help you but beware of the frequent posters. There are underlying reasons for their comments.
'Tis true:
I, for one, am here to harvest souls for the Elder Gods.
Ai! Cthulhu F'tagn, Yog-Sotthoth!
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The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.
-George Carlin
das't i enter an arena already occupied by a freedom fighting archaelogist out of the george carlin school, the chief medical officer of the planet gong invoking elder gods of the cthulu madness and mumbles, the mod packing a bomb in his bonnet responding to an exceptionally well-reasoned argument for exercising meticulous caution here as his first contribution to this illustrious community of scam-busting 'debunkers'
notice mumbles responded in just over twenty minutes of the initial post, with his position statement, followed by the good doctor in 2 minutes with his 2 coppers repaid with something from mumbles' YouTube ring tones collection 3 minutes later and then nomaxim hits it with his 1000th post, which he no doubt has been saving for a few days, just waiting for the right place to put his marker down on the pyramid plan.
meanwhile, let me add a hearty no comment about any scams that might be behind scam to my greeting for netnerder pro (sorry, my allergies are acting up) and welcome him to our playpen.
to the scam.com domain name owner's credit, i will say that i was first introduced to this community chasing down a popular and commonly effective direct snail mailing program.
i wasn't in any danger of being scammed; i was trying to bust it because i recognized codes on the paper that told me that it was done in microsoft word using an excel db managed mail-merge program, printed, packaged and mailed by automated, and very expensive hewlett-packard equipment.
i was pissed because the mailing label information to me could only have been obtained illegally or in violation of confidence between me and the kind of folks in the industry who send me things i want (vary the way you fill out forms on line and you will be surprised what is revealed when you start getting new junk snail mail. i've got evidence of breach of privacy agreements against everybody but microsoft using microsoft software to share customer information with list sellers).
needless to say, i had them where they could be served warrants and subpoenas but the feds and local police weren't interested and i hadn't been harmed enough to justify hiring a crook with bar standing to shake them down.
the people that post to the scam forums do freely share valuable knowledge about how to avoid getting scammed and finding legitimate self-employment for themselves. there's always somebody ready to share technical help steps when somebody's puter is puking on them.
i have my criticisms of scam on some of the points netnerd pro makes, but nothing so earth-shaking i need to risk banishment by one of the thinner-skinned mods, that i want to expound on it in the early stages of this very shaky start to your discussion topic, bon sah.
so a half hour goes by and enter mayhmong, who may have known some viet cong or was pulled away from mah jong heeded the call from the planet dong to wing us with her own wong song.
so pray tell, dear madame mong (if my guess offends you or i am wrong, my face is long -- i mean you no dung from my tongue. i'm just on a roll here;-)
what have you noticed, oh flower of the orient, also newly posting to our play pen?
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Bottom line: You may get some general information on scam.com that may help you but beware of the frequent posters. There are underlying reasons for their comments.
Actually the ones people need to be aware of are the ones with one or two posts. Those are usually the ones that have "underlying reasons." They are either promoting their system or trying to save it's butt.
And of course, the same people are on many forums and promoting their own stuff. It's called marketing or networking and it's not unique to these types of forums at all. If you pay attention, it's literally everywhere on the internet and off. Or in other cases they're trying to warn others about a bad experience they had with a company.
Sorry, but this is one of the most illogical posts I've ever seen.
Actually the ones people need to be aware of are the ones with one or two posts. Those are usually the ones that have "underlying reasons." They are either promoting their system or trying to save it's butt.
And of course, the same people are on many forums and promoting their own stuff. It's called marketing or networking and it's not unique to these types of forums at all. If you pay attention, it's literally everywhere on the internet and off. Or in other cases they're trying to warn others about a bad experience they had with a company.
Sorry, but this is one of the most illogical posts I've ever seen.
-Danielle
true, the hit and run posters are ones to avoid buying into, but network pro is making a valid point about a certain type of creature that exists all over the internet.
for whatever their reasons, be it mental illness or because they are getting paid to trash competitors by somebody, these people are present in strong numbers here because it's one of the few forums left that is so loosely moderated.
we can only demand they prove their claims, show proof of our own that they are wrong and if possible, bring in the target to speak for themselves.
My point in my original post was that trashing companies is an industry in itself perpetuated on sites like scam.com. Opinions on products and companies draw a lot of organic search results and traffic means revenues for these "professional debunkers".
Any comments written pro or con for products and services on websites that use anonymous usernames should carry absolutely no weight at all when evaluating the validity of any product or service. If you want to make scam.com a somewhat reliable source, post with true names, addresses and phone numbers in order to make posters stand behind their comments.
We all know that is not going to happen so the only real and truthful comments can only come from trusted freinds in each of our own spheres of influence.
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so you think it would be good if scammers could call me at home and work any time? scammers could call my boss and my neighbors and say anything they want? the scammers would still be anonymous and i wouldn't be warning people of their tricks.
again, MLM is a scam. MLM is not about selling products. it is about passing cash up the pyramid, just like cash gifting. the soap and vitamins are used just to skirt the law. without the pretend products . . . jail.
well NetworkPro, you are pointing out problems associated with forum debate is general, nothing specific to Scam.com - Also you claim people on here are giving negative critisism on products that are legitimate - care to give some examples so it can be looked in to?
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Re: Beware of sites like scam.com
No He probably can't give real examples. The people who choose to complain about scam.com are usually the ones promoting really ridiculous programs.
I for one do NOT believe all MLM's are scams. Look at some of the old standbys, Avon, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, etc. All great programs that promote SELLING over recruiting.
However, I do not believe in the online "get rich programs" at ALL..
The people promoting the "make thousands of dollars a day with my great program" are ALWAYS the ones who complain there are nothing but naysayers at scam.com.
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well NetworkPro, you are pointing out problems associated with forum debate is general, nothing specific to Scam.com - Also you claim people on here are giving negative critisism on products that are legitimate - care to give some examples so it can be looked in to?
Thanx for this VERY NEEDED Comment about Scams!!! There are many sites out there so the concept is to READ THE FEEDBACK. This is a great place. Thanx again mumbles. Bob
Thanx 4 that Reply. People need 2 know that they have to READ THE FEEDBACK in order to learn. Remember the Buyer Beware philosophy especially on the internet. Thanx again mumbles -- Bob
After reading comments from my orginal post, I have to say that no one has gotten my drift. I like the idea of scam.com. It probably is not possible, but I wish there was a legitmate place on the web to evaluate products and companies. Scam.com is not it. It is poplutated with "professional debunkers" that stay strickly on the negative side of every product and company for the sake of building name recognition and SEO traffic. That's it. They scour the internet looking for the next new business start ups and use bits of information they find from other websites to form opinions based on half truths and 5th party hear say.
I havn't even mentioned the alterior motives of competing companies spreading misinformation and dirt about competitors.
Because of these facts, scam.com may make interesting reading but almost nothing of value can be gleaned from it.
After reading comments from my orginal post, I have to say that no one has gotten my drift. I like the idea of scam.com. It probably is not possible, but I wish there was a legitmate place on the web to evaluate products and companies. Scam.com is not it. It is poplutated with "professional debunkers" that stay strickly on the negative side of every product and company for the sake of building name recognition and SEO traffic. That's it. They scour the internet looking for the next new business start ups and use bits of information they find from other websites to form opinions based on half truths and 5th party hear say.
I havn't even mentioned the alterior motives of competing companies spreading misinformation and dirt about competitors.
Because of these facts, scam.com may make interesting reading but almost nothing of value can be gleaned from it.
It aint a perfect world and scammers will always abuse the concept of anti-scam sites to try and legitimize their scams. Scam dot com is not the best moderated site in town, but it does a good job.
Not true that nothing of value can be gleaned from reading the posts here - - Au contraire. A lot of people who never post but read have been saved from joining some very nasty scams thanks to the articles here.
Of course they are negative. How can anyone be positive about a scam?
Not true that nothing of value can be gleaned from reading the posts here - - Au contraire. A lot of people who never post but read have been saved from joining some very nasty scams thanks to the articles here.
I agree. I have been reading this board for almost two years, and have only recently began posting.
While researching various "opportunities", I like to Google terms for the company in question, in quotes, with words like "sucks", or "scam". "CompanyXscam", "CompanyXsucks". That is how I ended up here.
I feel that one can get a good well-rounded idea of what's going on at a company by reading this site.
I was able to avoid making the wrong career choice a few years back. Unfortunately, I was not able to convince a friend of mine to read this board, and she ended up wasting a half a year and a lot of money. I commented on her experience on another post.
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NetworkerPro - While I cant speak for everybody here nor assure you that every post here isnt "half truths" or "5th party hearsay" - what I can say is you commment about how you cannot get anything of value from this site is incredibly silly and untrue.
there may be some people on this site that use half truths, but Iv read nearly all the threads and I have never seen any legitimate product that has either been needlessly nor excessivly negatively critisised.
You can get A LOT of good value information from this site, and as the above poster said, everyone does come down on the negative side of everything on this site, because from what I can see, everything on this site is a SCAM, and its hard to come "down" on the positive side of a SCAM!
Whilst I admit there may be a SMALL percentage of people who dont really know a product but are critisising it just the same, I cant see that happening on a bona fide genuine "product" - so it really doesnt matter a whole lot when ascertaining the validity of this site as a whole.
as I look at other internet sources, I find that many of the same user names that frequently post on scam.com, also show up on many other websites and blogs whenever there is a discussion on just about any product or service you can think of.
Bottom line: You may get some general information on scam.com that may help you but beware of the frequent posters. There are underlying reasons for their comments.
Two things
I am glad to see that you will not be posting frequently.
I have found several sites with the same user name I was using and it was annoying because I was not that person posting... user names are not registered, trademarked or enforceable in court.
So just because you seethe same user name it may not be the same person... it is the Internet after all
I guess there may some value to reading devils advocate comments on almost any product, company or service.
However, being intimately involved with serveral MLM and affiliate programs and products myself, I can state with utmost confidence that comments posted on this site about these products and companies I represent and market are half-truths with outdated info that have absolutely no value to any of the readers.
Just using the MLM system of marketing makes a product a scam on scam.com.
This method of marketing is a boon to millions around the globe today because it allows people to try new ventures with little capitial expenditures and eliminates all the jumping through hoops federal, state and local regulations require to get started. If you have ever tried to start a brick and mortar businiess on your own you know what I am talking about. You invest your lifes savings into a venture hoping it prospers but yet have a 95% chance of failure. MLM is a God send for millions and rewards the people that try that hardest which is the way it should be. You certainly can't say that about employees in the corporate world today. All the money flows to the suits and the workers are slaves putting in 50-60 hours weeks with little regards for individual talent.
This is why I say again. Beware of websites like scam.com
Just using the MLM system of marketing makes a product a scam on scam.com.
This method of marketing is a boon to millions around the globe today because it allows people to try new ventures with little capitial expenditures and eliminates all the jumping through hoops federal, state and local regulations require to get started.
Notice he uses the word TRY in try new ventures and not
it allows people to be successful after you try an MLM anyone with half a brain then starts his own find re-marketable products and starts his/her own business
So you're saying that because there are a small amount of legitimate MLM schemes being bashed (still waiting on an example) on this site, that this compromises the whole of Scam.com, where MLM schemes are just a small section...are there legimimate Advanced Fee Fraud or Check Cashing scams on this site that are being needlessly slandered? Or charity scams? Or lottery scams?
You're obviously an MLM fan, even though I know for a fact that the vast majority of MLM schemes on the Internet are scams, so you think you've seen a handful of MLM schemes on this site that are being attacked when they shouldn't be, so this means almost everybody on this site is a liar who doesn't know what they talking about?
If you think this whole site is a waste with nothing of value, then couldn't you just leave?
Fact is this site is valueable because 99% of the information on this site is spot on, calling scams scams - and its "googleable" so people can see potentional scams before they get involved, and the site if full of people who post saying they were saved from a scam because of googling a keyword and it popping up as a scam, on sites like this. So saying this site offers nothing of value makes you sound silly, and puts you square in the definite minority.
If I may be allowed to throw in my own 2cents worth.
Scam.com provides an excellent platform whereby both individuals and companies who are operating scams/cons/illegal activities can be exposed to the general publics attention.A situation that might not otherwise happen.The Internet as we all know is unpoliced and therefore a minefield for the uninformed.
In my opinion Scam.com is unique in this regard.
MLM is a God send for millions and rewards the people that try that hardest which is the way it should be. You certainly can't say that about employees in the corporate world today. All the money flows to the suits and the workers are slaves putting in 50-60 hours weeks with little regards for individual talent.
This is why I say again. Beware of websites like scam.com
You say that, but claim this website is a scam?
LOL !
How many people involved in MLM actually make more money (i.e., profit) than employees who are working for a corporation?
I've never heard of anybody losing money at the corporation where I work. We get paid, every day. And I don't mean 3% of the people get paid. Or 5%. I mean 100% of the people. Tens of thousands of dollars every year. Plus benefits.
Well, let us know when you make your first 1 million dollars in MLM. Okay?
How many people involved in MLM actually make more money (i.e., profit) than employees who are working for a corporation?
I've never heard of anybody losing money at the corporation where I work. We get paid, every day. And I don't mean 3% of the people get paid. Or 5%. I mean 100% of the people. Tens of thousands of dollars every year. Plus benefits.
Well, let us know when you make your first 1 million dollars in MLM. Okay?
Is making 1 million dollars your only reference of ''success'' in MLM?
I guess there may some value to reading devils advocate comments on almost any product, company or service.
However, being intimately involved with serveral MLM and affiliate programs and products myself, I can state with utmost confidence that comments posted on this site about these products and companies I represent and market are half-truths with outdated info that have absolutely no value to any of the readers.
This method of marketing is a boon to millions around the globe today because it allows people to try new ventures with little capitial expenditures and eliminates all the jumping through hoops federal, state and local regulations require to get started. If you have ever tried to start a brick and mortar businiess on your own you know what I am talking about.
This is why I say again. Beware of websites like scam.com
Oh brother, what a complete crock of typical, often spouted, MLM promoting crap. Sites like Scam must really be cutting into your recruiting efforts then if you have to come here and bitch about it. lol
In case you have not noticed, there is much on this site in the way of proven, backed up facts, research, data, news, figures and info on hundreds of MLMs and their founders and top players. Not just opinions, but FACTS! The failure rates for the vast majority of members in MLMs is very high if you bother to read the stats or even read the financial statements for the MLMs that make them public and only a small percent members make any money let alone a true liveable wage. The big recruiters make the money from their downlines and many of the products are simply way overpriced garbage.
It's interesting that you believe that the public at large does not deserve an opportunity to read any this information. Let them just be another gullible fool and sign on the dotted line and take the word of MLM recruiters for their info right? Yeah....right!
By the way, I do not see you posting your real name, your actual home address nor your real home phone number on here either, pal. That worthless argument has got to be one of the lamest I have heard yet. Why would anyone, in these days and times post such info on the world wide net when it can be read by any whack job on the net? You really have to come up with better B.S. than that! LMAO
I say, beware of MLMers who come on Scam to whine about what is exposed here and the truth therein.
Obviously, you have never started a real business either. I have. There are no "hoops" to jump through as you claim on here. It's all pretty standard and matter of fact stuff. Any governmental forms, licenses, etc., that one must obtain and rules or laws that must be adhered to, are there for a reason. To protect consumers and employees. They make a legit business accountable and responsible.THAT is all something that no MLM has and they shun such things like a vampire shuns the light of day.
MLMs have no such standards and make the rules up to favor themselves, not the members who keep the MLM afloat and the rules often change, again to benefit those at the top and the owners. Sadly, the laws regarding MLMs in this country are currently very weak, as opposed to a real business and this affords the opportunity for MLMs to barely skirt what laws there are and get away with alot of fraud and very deceptive advertising and false promises to those stupid and desperate enough to believe the hype and tripe. THAT is the real "bottom line".
Funny, in all the decades that I worked, I never felt like a "slave", was very well compensated, appreciated, recognized, rewarded, had all the perks, benefits, retirement, received continual training to benefit my career, had no problem advancing up the ranks, did what I loved to do and was a success at it. But you keep that hype going to those who did not seek out a proper long term career, get training and an educaion, are not flexible, did not always make the best choices, did not bother to learn how to invest and save their money wisely, and you keep dangling that hackneyed phony MLM carrot in front of them and I am sure you will get a few to bite.
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In case you have not noticed, there is much on this site in the way of proven, backed up facts, research, data, news, figures and info on hundreds of MLMs and their founders and top players. Not just opinions, but FACTS!
Actually, there isnt. Many of the ''facts'' about MLM on here arent facts at all, just opinions of people, many who've never even been in, or had contact with any MLMs.
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The failure rates for the vast majority of members in MLMs is very high
As it is in any endeavour, business or otherwise, in the world.
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and many of the products are simply way overpriced garbage.
In your opinion. And how many of the hundreds of thousands of MLM products have you actually tried?
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Obviously, you have never started a real business either. I have.
I have too (by ''real'' I presume you mean non-MLM.
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There are no "hoops" to jump through as you claim on here. It's all pretty standard and matter of fact stuff. Any governmental forms, licenses, etc., that one must obtain and rules or laws that must be adhered to, are there for a reason. To protect consumers and employees. They make a legit business accountable and responsible.THAT is all something that no MLM has and they shun such things like a vampire shuns the light of day.
Of course there are all sorts of hoops and legislation to go through for any business, including MLM businesses, the difference being that the MLM head office takes care of it all, so that the distributor doesnt have to do it. In a ''real'' business that can be a very difficult and time consuming part of it.
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MLMs have no such standards and make the rules up to favor themselves, not the members who keep the MLM afloat and the rules often change, again to benefit those at the top and the owners. Sadly, the laws regarding MLMs in this country are currently very weak, as opposed to a real business and this affords the opportunity for MLMs to barely skirt what laws there are and get away with alot of fraud and very deceptive advertising and false promises to those stupid and desperate enough to believe the hype and tripe. THAT is the real "bottom line".
Its not the ''bottom line'' at all. Just your opinion.
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Funny, in all the decades that I worked, I never felt like a "slave", was very well compensated, appreciated, recognized, rewarded, had all the perks, benefits, retirement, received continual training to benefit my career, had no problem advancing up the ranks, did what I loved to do and was a success at it. But you keep that hype going to those who did not seek out a proper long term career, get training and an educaion, are not flexible, did not always make the best choices, did not bother to learn how to invest and save their money wisely, and you keep dangling that hackneyed phony MLM carrot in front of them and I am sure you will get a few to bite.
Well done for having great employee experiences. The majority of people dont have that. Some of them are great prospects for MLM. You obviously are not.
Yeah, including holidays. I've checked. When are you NOT on here promoting MLMs and starting more threads about them?
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WOW..... a whole 7 posts a day
I just timed this post.... it took under 10 seconds, but lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say a minute a post..... thats a whole 7 minutes a day!!
I just timed this post.... it took under 10 seconds, but lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say a minute a post..... thats a whole 7 minutes a day!!
WOW!!
You have been on here a lot longer than 7 minutes today pal. You have been reading and posting9 posts in 3 different threads so far.Want to bet that figure doubles by this afternoon? lol MLMers just love to twist the truth don't they? Hmmm....and let's see here....you have started 39 threads alone to promote MLMs on here. That's quite the life you lead! lol
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You have been on here a lot longer than 7 minutes today pal. You have been reading and posting 9 posts in 3 different threads so far. Want to bet that figure doubles by this afternoon? lol MLMers just love to twist the truth don't they? Hmmm....and let's see here....you have started 39 threads alone to promote MLMs on here. That's quite the life you lead! lol
ye're right... I've been on the internet all day! And as I run my business from the internet, are you surprised?!
But do you really think I spend all of it on here.... ..... or do you think I may look over here now and again?
Good going!!! Only 8, more posts to go Chris!!! Better odds than Vegas certainly! ROTFL!
Nice to know you're interested in what I'm doing...... just imagine how well you could be doing if you put all that ''******'' into a decent MLM home based business.
Nice to know you're interested in what I'm doing...... just imagine how well you could be doing if you put all that ''******'' into a decent MLM home based business.
Why would anyone want to do that wasn't desperate? You know as well as I that the majority fail.
And Chris, you also know that you're on here to recruit. I am very well aware of that. That's why most MLMers are on this site. That's why your signature line has three links and you have a blog. Of course it's allowed, but I think you know where I'm going with this.
I see you have digressed somewhat from the original topic -
I have done quite extensive research on MLM and Pyramid schemes for my site, and if I had to estimate, from the numerous schemes I have seen, about 80% are obvious out-right scams designed at making the "top players" rich, with no profitability AT ALL for people who join.
Furthur to this, another 10% are legitmiate but grossly over-estimate the profitability for new users. Often the schemes will claim the user can "work from home" with the scheme when in reality it barely covers weekend "beer money"
ChrisDoyle you obviously have (claimed) found the other [my estimate] 10% legitimate online MLM programs, though you should be careful promoting these. You shouldn't promote online MLM in general because the (sad) fact is that the majority of just scams. Whilst this is MY opinion, I would argue it is a very educated opinion.
Why would anyone want to do that wasn't desperate? You know as well as I that the majority fail.
And Chris, you also know that you're on here to recruit. I am very well aware of that. That's why most MLMers are on this site. That's why your signature line has three links and you have a blog. Of course it's allowed, but I think you know where I'm going with this.
Tom, it depends on what you mean by recruit. Am I actively telling people about the company I'm with and why they should join? I dont think so.
Am I available for people to contact me if they so wish, with a view to finding out more info? Yes, of course. I make myself available in that way at all times, thats how it works.
I see you have digressed somewhat from the original topic -
I have done quite extensive research on MLM and Pyramid schemes for my site, and if I had to estimate, from the numerous schemes I have seen, about 80% are obvious out-right scams designed at making the "top players" rich, with no profitability AT ALL for people who join.
Furthur to this, another 10% are legitmiate but grossly over-estimate the profitability for new users. Often the schemes will claim the user can "work from home" with the scheme when in reality it barely covers weekend "beer money"
ChrisDoyle you obviously have (claimed) found the other [my estimate] 10% legitimate online MLM programs, though you should be careful promoting these. You shouldn't promote online MLM in general because the (sad) fact is that the majority of just scams. Whilst this is MY opinion, I would argue it is a very educated opinion.
Regards
I would wonder how you came to these percentages, maybe you can show us, but yes I',m with a very good, honest company, and the important thing is, its not just an internet company (although they use the internet for the nitty gritty of ordering and running the business, which is excellent as the ''store'' is open 24/7 all around the world), it can also be run offline too, which is the way I mainly choose to build.
Tom, it depends on what you mean by recruit. Am I actively telling people about the company I'm with and why they should join? I dont think so.
Am I available for people to contact me if they so wish, with a view to finding out more info? Yes, of course. I make myself available in that way at all times, thats how it works.
And it's called free advertising. The motivation is to sell your program and products on a site called scam.com. Now if I were running a business, I wouldn't want it to be listed or even promoted on a site with that name.
And it's called free advertising. The motivation is to sell your program and products on a site called scam.com. Now if I were running a business, I wouldn't want it to be listed or even promoted on a site with that name.
And free advertising is the best kind of advertising!
My main motivation is to put forward the truth about legal MLMs to counter some of the absolute rubbish and lies that often appear on here.
You have to realise that there are many people who arrive here whilst searching for information about genuine companies, and if they were to rely on information some of the numbnuts on here put forward, they would be getting misinformation.
If people are interested in working with me, then thats their choice. I dont force anybody.
I would wonder how you came to these percentages, maybe you can show us, but yes I',m with a very good, honest company, and the important thing is, its not just an internet company (although they use the internet for the nitty gritty of ordering and running the business, which is excellent as the ''store'' is open 24/7 all around the world), it can also be run offline too, which is the way I mainly choose to build.
..As I said in the post, they were estimates from my experience.
And free advertising is the best kind of advertising!
My main motivation is to put forward the truth about legal MLMs to counter some of the absolute rubbish and lies that often appear on here.
You have to realise that there are many people who arrive here whilst searching for information about genuine companies, and if they were to rely on information some of the numbnuts on here put forward, they would be getting misinformation.
If people are interested in working with me, then thats their choice. I dont force anybody.
I guess I'll have to say it again. Now if I were running a business, I wouldn't want it to be listed or even promoted on a site with that name (scam.com).
I guess I'll have to say it again. Now if I were running a business, I wouldn't want it to be listed or even promoted on a site with that name (scam.com).
There was a thread on here about my company long before I joined.
If I had something to hide about my company, or I knew it was a scam, I would agree with you. The company I'm with is honest, legal, ethical and most definitely not a scam, and if anyone thinks otherwise, prove it. The fact that a company appears on scam.com, most definitely does not mean its a scam, so I dont agree with your comment.
"Leave the gun - take the cannoli!"
dream on!
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