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Old 08-26-2009, 04:45 PM
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Destroying The Warren Report

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/dis...1420/index.php

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The book that blew the Warren Commission Report out of the water. Mark Lane, NYC lawyer, harrassed by the FBI and feds, after extensive interviews and research, wrote this book on the details on that day in Dallas. The book was the first of many to come, but it is still the best starting point, in pdf format.

Book is not available on-line anywhere else.
RushtoJudgment_MarkLane.pdf (1734 k)

A must read book to understand the fallacies of the Warren Comm. Report.

See chapter on 'Weapon' and weapon tests. Also see affidavit of deputy sheriff, gun merchant, and graduate level educated Seymour Weitzman, affidavit on Nov. 23, 1963, swearing the gun found at the book depository was a 7.65mm German Mauser, not the cheap $3.00, 6.5mm Italian Mannlicher rifle supposedly owned by Oswald. This affidavit is on last page of pdf.

Typically, Weitzman, one of the first on the purported murder scene in the book depository, was NEVER shown the Mannlicher 'murder weapon' when he appeared before the Warren Commission.

Mark Lane did see the Mannlicher in his appearence before the Commission, and he documented the clear markings of rifle guage and the identification 'Made in Italy', contradicting Weitzman's affidavit.



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Old 08-26-2009, 05:19 PM
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Re: Destroying The Warren Report

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http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/dis...1420/index.php

Washington, DC Independent Media Center : http://dc.indymedia.org



The book that blew the Warren Commission Report out of the water. Mark Lane, NYC lawyer, harrassed by the FBI and feds, after extensive interviews and research, wrote this book on the details on that day in Dallas. The book was the first of many to come, but it is still the best starting point, in pdf format.

Book is not available on-line anywhere else.
RushtoJudgment_MarkLane.pdf (1734 k)

A must read book to understand the fallacies of the Warren Comm. Report.

See chapter on 'Weapon' and weapon tests. Also see affidavit of deputy sheriff, gun merchant, and graduate level educated Seymour Weitzman, affidavit on Nov. 23, 1963, swearing the gun found at the book depository was a 7.65mm German Mauser, not the cheap $3.00, 6.5mm Italian Mannlicher rifle supposedly owned by Oswald. This affidavit is on last page of pdf.

Typically, Weitzman, one of the first on the purported murder scene in the book depository, was NEVER shown the Mannlicher 'murder weapon' when he appeared before the Warren Commission.

Mark Lane did see the Mannlicher in his appearence before the Commission, and he documented the clear markings of rifle guage and the identification 'Made in Italy', contradicting Weitzman's affidavit.
Actually you have it quite wrong Mark Lane's book is what has been blown out of the water and proven to be false.

Only one person claimed That the rifle found was a mauser and that was Police officer who found it. The officer merely confused it for a mauser because the two have a resemblance to each other.

One simple fact which destroys Lanes loopy theory is that the rifle was properly maintained as a piece of evidence and proven to be Oswalds trhe Officer was quite frank about admitting to being merely confused and that is the end of that story.

Once again you can hate the Warren commission report but you cannot refute it with any substantial or credible evidence.



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Old 08-27-2009, 09:58 AM
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Re: Destroying The Warren Report

Yea, Yea Yea. We have heard it before. Anyone who exposed the lies of the Warren Report had to be discredited.

The vast majority of the American people , including myself, do not believe in the Warren Report and believe the likes of Lane and Garrison were only honestly searching the truth and nothing to gain- - and everything to lose by their patriotic actions.

From "Rush To Judgment"


"Let me take a concrete instance. One of the most important questions in this whole problem is, on what evidence did the Dallas Police suspect Oswald?

Oswald was arrested in a cinema for the alleged murder of a Dallas Policeman. It was only later that he was identified as the man wanted as the murderer of the President. But allowing this to be so, how was it that, in all Dallas, the police, in the person of Patrolman Tippit, contrived, almost at once, to pounce on one man and one man only, and that man, according to their subsequent insistance, the real murderer?"

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Old 08-28-2009, 07:30 AM
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Yea, Yea Yea. We have heard it before. Anyone who exposed the lies of the Warren Report had to be discredited.

The vast majority of the American people , including myself, do not believe in the Warren Report and believe the likes of Lane and Garrison were only honestly searching the truth and nothing to gain- - and everything to lose by their patriotic actions.

From "Rush To Judgment"


"Let me take a concrete instance. One of the most important questions in this whole problem is, on what evidence did the Dallas Police suspect Oswald?

Oswald was arrested in a cinema for the alleged murder of a Dallas Policeman. It was only later that he was identified as the man wanted as the murderer of the President. But allowing this to be so, how was it that, in all Dallas, the police, in the person of Patrolman Tippit, contrived, almost at once, to pounce on one man and one man only, and that man, according to their subsequent insistance, the real murderer?"
No one exposed any lies here kiddoe except for me and others showing the lies which you rely on. You and others have YET to prove even one lie in the Warren report. Been waiting for months now and you continually say. it is " all lies" yet you offer NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. These people you refer to discredit themselves as has been proven they do so by contradicting themselves and using second hand information.

Lane and Garrison had much to gain and nothing to lose they were out to get reelected and make money respectively. Garrison was a known crook and Lane a lied repeatedly in his books and ignored evidence which proved his theories wrong.

Your quote from Lane's book is a perfect example he new the facts answered his own questions but asked them anyways. Why? to get gullible people like you to fall for some lies which he could use to build a conspiracy on.

Oswald was not arrested at the cinema just for the murder of Tibbet he was already the main suspect in the Kennedy killing and Lane knew why.

The police quickly determined that the shots came from the TSBD the evidence still proves that fact. So they quickly sealed off the building and enlisted the management to get accountability of all the employees who were at work that morning. Guess what? All the employees remained in The building except for Oswald who fled the scene. That alone is enough to make him a person of interest if not the leading suspect and only took minutes to narrow down. This is why Tibbet stopped him to question him and contary to Lane's falsehood in the quote above he was not the only one to do so. The police had only a vague description of what Oswald looked like and this is what was transmitted over the Dallas Police Radio system. At least six other officers throughout the Dallas area stopped and questioned men who matched Oswald's general description. Tibbet merely got the right one and was killed for it. Lane states an outright lie claiming only later was he identified as a man wanted in connection for the presidents murder.

By the time he got to the cinema he was wanted for both Tibbets shooting and for questioning concerning Kennedy. And all of the Dallas PD knew it.

I know most Americans do not believe Warren but that is irrelevant . Far too many thought Elvis was alive in the 80s or that we never landed on the Moon but all of that is crap as is your theories about Kennedy. Most Americans believe ( as you do ) what they see and hear in the movie JFK. But ( like you again ) they ever read the Warren commission report and just go along with what the movie makers tell them. Therefore , they think the Warren report was full of lies of course they never bothered to read it and find out what those lies are.

In the end what that all means is that you , like many Americans are victims of pop culture masquerading as intellect. You and many others believe there was a conspiracy because the truth is boring and mundane and the truth is that Oswald acted alone he was a communist and a nutcase who got a little lucky. This is unacceptable because he murdered the president and there has to be some deeper meaning behind the presidents death.

And besides conspiracy theories are scintillating and intriguing the truth is dull. But , it is still the truth and the conspiracy theories are fiction



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Old 09-19-2009, 12:15 AM
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Destroying The Single Bullet Theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzWy00JC6s


The Single Bullet Theory is explained and examined by a series of experts who expose it for the fraud that it is.

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Old 09-19-2009, 06:27 AM
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Re: Destroying The Single Bullet Theory

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The Single Bullet Theory is explained and examined by a series of experts who expose it for the fraud that it is.
No it is not exposed it is challenged by SELF proclaimed experts who ignore key facts.

They provide no evidence only the same old claims based on how people THINK bullets work.

And people think this way base don conditioning from television and movies.

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Old 09-19-2009, 01:33 PM
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No it is not exposed it is challenged by SELF proclaimed experts who ignore key facts.

They provide no evidence only the same old claims based on how people THINK bullets work.

And people think this way base don conditioning from television and movies.

Which key facts, specifically, do they ignore?

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Old 09-30-2009, 08:44 AM
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Re: Destroying The Warren Report

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Another loon. How can anyone trust a man who has made thousands of dollars off of books, tapes and conspiracy gatherings? He has an agenda, a need for the conspiracy theory to remain viable and slants all his findings to fit his idiology. he is not a weapons expert, a police officer, a licenced investigator...

In court he'd be slapped around like a little bitch.

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Old 06-29-2010, 08:22 PM
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Another loon. How can anyone trust a man who has made thousands of dollars off of books, tapes and conspiracy gatherings? He has an agenda, a need for the conspiracy theory to remain viable and slants all his findings to fit his idiology. he is not a weapons expert, a police officer, a licenced investigator...

In court he'd be slapped around like a little bitch.

Oh yea. We will see how Mr. Lane defends Gerald Posner in his upcoming civil trial.

Mark Lane is a good man. At age 83 you ought to show him a little respect.

The very reason shameful people like you speak of him this way is because of the truth that he uncovered in the JFK case.

He originally gave up his only paying client to represent Oswald's mother during the Warren Commission hearings.

As a first generation reasearcher, he exposed the conspiracy in 1964 and proved in the Florida trial a few years later that the CIA was involved in the murder of JFK.

Yea, I would be afraid of him too. So was the FBI way back when they started a file on him and followed him around the country.

Mark Lane is a thousand times the man you are punk.

Got something to say to him? Write or call him and tell these things to his face and then see how effective of a lawyer he is when he sees you in court for defamation.

THE NON-PERFORMANCE OF AGENT ROBERTS -- The activities of Emory P. Roberts during as well as before the shooting are difficult to understand. As the first shots were fired, he recalled agent John D. Ready, who was attempting to run to the president's car. The initial explanation for this order -- the speed of and distance between the cars was too great for effective protective measures to be taken -- has been contradicted by photographic and eyewitness testimony.
And Kinney, the driver of the follow-up car who was seated beside Roberts, said that his shift leader, upon hearing what he later admitted he immediately knew to be a rifle shot, ordered his agents not to move.


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Old 06-30-2010, 07:26 AM
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Oh yea. We will see how Mr. Lane defends Gerald Posner in his upcoming civil trial.

Mark Lane is a good man. At age 83 you ought to show him a little respect.

The very reason shameful people like you speak of him this way is because of the truth that he uncovered in the JFK case.

He originally gave up his only paying client to represent Oswald's mother during the Warren Commission hearings.

As a first generation reasearcher, he exposed the conspiracy in 1964 and proved in the Florida trial a few years later that the CIA was involved in the murder of JFK.

Yea, I would be afraid of him too. So was the FBI way back when they started a file on him and followed him around the country.

Mark Lane is a thousand times the man you are punk.

Got something to say to him? Write or call him and tell these things to his face and then see how effective of a lawyer he is when he sees you in court for defamation.

THE NON-PERFORMANCE OF AGENT ROBERTS -- The activities of Emory P. Roberts during as well as before the shooting are difficult to understand. As the first shots were fired, he recalled agent John D. Ready, who was attempting to run to the president's car. The initial explanation for this order -- the speed of and distance between the cars was too great for effective protective measures to be taken -- has been contradicted by photographic and eyewitness testimony.
And Kinney, the driver of the follow-up car who was seated beside Roberts, said that his shift leader, upon hearing what he later admitted he immediately knew to be a rifle shot, ordered his agents not to move.

He uncovered no truth.

He proved no conspiracy he merely theorized.

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Old 06-30-2010, 08:40 AM
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Re: Destroying The Warren Report

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Actually you have it quite wrong Mark Lane's book is what has been blown out of the ***** and proven to be false.

Only one person claimed That the rifle found was a mauser and that was Police officer who found it. The officer merely confused it for a mauser because the two have a resemblance to each other.

One simple fact which destroys Lanes loopy theory is that the rifle was properly maintained as a piece of evidence and proven to be Oswalds trhe Officer was quite frank about admitting to being merely confused and that is the end of that story.

Once again you can hate the Warren commission report but you cannot refute it with any substantial or credible evidence.
Actually there were three officers who ID the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser, Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone, Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzmen and Deputy Sheriff Rodger Graig. Weitzman signed an affidavit the following day describing the weapon as a 7.65 Mauser, bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope. District Atrtorney Henry Wade reported to news reporters that the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. It stayed a 7.65 Mauser until it came back from the FBI, then it became a 6.5 Carcano. Yes the Carcano resembles a Carcano but the problem is the Carcano has markings on it, stating its was made in Italy, Cal. 6.5, 1940. Plus the empty shells found were ID as 6.5, now with all those clues, how did they mistake it for a 7.65 Mauser. If they were confused over evidence that was clearly marked, what else were they confused about!

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:02 PM
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Actually there were three officers who ID the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser, Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone, Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzmen and Deputy Sheriff Rodger Graig. Weitzman signed an affidavit the following day describing the weapon as a 7.65 Mauser, bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope. District Atrtorney Henry Wade reported to news reporters that the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. It stayed a 7.65 Mauser until it came back from the FBI, then it became a 6.5 Carcano. Yes the Carcano resembles a Carcano but the problem is the Carcano has markings on it, stating its was made in Italy, Cal. 6.5, 1940. Plus the empty shells found were ID as 6.5, now with all those clues, how did they mistake it for a 7.65 Mauser. If they were confused over evidence that was clearly marked, what else were they confused about!

What do you have to say about that, Soupnuts?

you stupid mother-fucker

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No one exposed any lies here kiddoe except for me and others showing the lies which you rely on. You and others have YET to prove even one lie in the Warren report. Been waiting for months now and you continually say. it is " all lies" yet you offer NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. These people you refer to discredit themselves as has been proven they do so by contradicting themselves and using second hand information.

Lane and Garrison had much to gain and nothing to lose they were out to get reelected and make money respectively. Garrison was a known crook and Lane a lied repeatedly in his books and ignored evidence which proved his theories wrong.

Your quote from Lane's book is a perfect example he new the facts answered his own questions but asked them anyways. Why? to get gullible people like you to fall for some lies which he could use to build a conspiracy on.

Oswald was not arrested at the cinema just for the murder of Tibbet he was already the main suspect in the Kennedy killing and Lane knew why.

The police quickly determined that the shots came from the TSBD the evidence still proves that fact. So they quickly sealed off the building and enlisted the management to get accountability of all the employees who were at work that morning. Guess what? All the employees remained in The building except for Oswald who fled the scene. That alone is enough to make him a person of interest if not the leading suspect and only took minutes to narrow down. This is why Tibbet stopped him to question him and contary to Lane's falsehood in the quote above he was not the only one to do so. The police had only a vague description of what Oswald looked like and this is what was transmitted over the Dallas Police Radio system. At least six other officers throughout the Dallas area stopped and questioned men who matched Oswald's general description. Tibbet merely got the right one and was killed for it. Lane states an outright lie claiming only later was he identified as a man wanted in connection for the presidents murder.

By the time he got to the cinema he was wanted for both Tibbets shooting and for questioning concerning Kennedy. And all of the Dallas PD knew it.

I know most Americans do not believe Warren but that is irrelevant . Far too many thought Elvis was alive in the 80s or that we never landed on the Moon but all of that is crap as is your theories about Kennedy. Most Americans believe ( as you do ) what they see and hear in the movie JFK. But ( like you again ) they ever read the Warren commission report and just go along with what the movie makers tell them. Therefore , they think the Warren report was full of lies of course they never bothered to read it and find out what those lies are.

In the end what that all means is that you , like many Americans are victims of pop culture masquerading as intellect. You and many others believe there was a conspiracy because the truth is boring and mundane and the truth is that Oswald acted alone he was a communist and a nutcase who got a little lucky. This is unacceptable because he murdered the president and there has to be some deeper meaning behind the presidents death.

And besides conspiracy theories are scintillating and intriguing the truth is dull. But , it is still the truth and the conspiracy theories are fiction
First off, the DPD didn't determine quickly, they were ordered to the rail yard and over pass and spent some time up there until they sealed off the TSBD. And Oswald was not the only one missing there were 20 missing, Charles Givens and Buell Wesley Frazier, were two, I can give you the names of the others. Also what time they left the building and why. One that is interesting is Warren Castor, he was missing that day because of bussiness. On 20th of Nov. 1963 he took into the TSB two rifles, a .22 rifle and 30.03 sporterized Mauser. He showed them to Roy Truly and others in the building including Oswald. so to say Oswald was the only one missing is untrue. BTW Elvis is alive! What I find interesting is they charged Oswald for the Murder of JFK at 11:36 on the 22nd of Nov. '63 but didn't know it was his rifle until early moring on the 23rd, '63. And don't say they had his finger prints on the rifle at that time, the FBI said there was none present. Btw thats when the Mauser became a Carcano.

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Old 07-02-2010, 12:10 PM
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The book that blew the Warren Commission Report out of the *****. Mark Lane, NYC lawyer, harrassed by the FBI and feds,
I have a question for you...is Mark Lane a weapons expert?

The ass hole never fired a rifle in his whole life and he has the experiance to say Oswald wasn't the only killer?

fucken idiot...and you are too.

I gave my 11 year old nephew a 30 minute lesson on sighting a bolt action rifle, my own Carcano BTW, and the kid smacked five bulls at 75 yards in one minute so don't fucken tell me that Oswald, who shot rifles since he was 8 and got good scores on his boot camp rifle score card, couldn't do the shots.

stupid fucken conspiracy huggers.


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