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Old 05-16-2009, 02:13 PM
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Lifevantage protandim

I think this is an interesting company. They claim to have developed, "a new appraoch to antioxidant therapy". Here's the website:

http://www.lifevantage.com/2/

Here is SEC information:

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...spx?cik=849146

Here is the abstract of the single, small scale evaluation that has been done on human subjects to date:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pub1
med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel. Pubmed_RVDocSum

Here is a rather unfavorable opinion of the product:

http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/...-debunked.html


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Old 05-16-2009, 11:43 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

I am not promoting it, just researching it. The promo goes:

"PROTANDIM IS THE ONLY SUPPLEMENT IN THE WORLD CLINICALLY PROVEN TO REDUCE OXIDATIVE STRESS BY 40%, SLOWING DOWN THE RATE OF CELL AGEING TO THAT OF A 20 YEAR-OLD. Live healthy as you age - Stay healthy and strong."

They use these enzyme levels as markers. The levels are reduced by the amounts they say although the rationale seems to be not too well validated.




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Old 05-17-2009, 07:33 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

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I think this is an interesting company. They claim to have developed, "a new appraoch to antioxidant therapy". Here's the website:

http://www.lifevantage.com/2/

Here is SEC information:

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...spx?cik=849146

Here is the abstract of the single, small scale evaluation that has been done on human subjects to date:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pub1
med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel. Pubmed_RVDocSum

Here is a rather unfavorable opinion of the product:

http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/...-debunked.html
You should be able to see these studies in the medical journals. Other than that the statement below is not what it means:

[quote]In the first place, the usual disclaimer is present: THESE STATEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED BY THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT INTENDED TO DIAGNOSE, TREAT, CURE OR PREVENT ANY DISEASE. To translate for your credulous friend, this means that there is no acceptable evidence that it works.[unquote]


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Old 05-18-2009, 12:41 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

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In the first place, the usual disclaimer is present: THESE STATEMENTS ... etc. etc... ANY DISEASE. To translate for your credulous friend, this means that there is no acceptable evidence that it works.
I would translate the disclaimer more like, "The FDA has received notification pursuant to Section 6 of DSHEA and 21 CFR sec.101.93

link here to read: www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/97s0162/97s-0162-let16091-vol142.pdf

the FDA has no comment on claims made regarding effectiveness of this product because validation of effectiveness of nutraceutical products lies outside the domain of concern of the FDA. It only certifies that the ingredients are covered by a GRAS (generally recognized as safe) classification."

Nutraceuticals are a different paradigm from pharmaceuticals. The nutraceutical paradigm implies the concept of optimal health which itself is still not fully validated. It hinges on what one means by the term "works".


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Old 05-18-2009, 12:44 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

sorry that link does not work. Pasted it off the web site. Try this:

http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=prot...td&getfields=*


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Old 05-18-2009, 07:21 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

Wow - I don't think I have ever seen a worse statement... They have huge debt and are being sued ......

Not exactly a solid investment...


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Old 05-20-2009, 03:44 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

Good point, Chris.

I don't know. Finance is not my specialty. What the heck is "Derivative warrant liability" of which they have $7,247,885.

link is: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/LifeVa...7892.html?.v=1


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Old 05-20-2009, 04:40 PM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

Derivative Warrant is similar to stock option.


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Old 06-04-2009, 09:57 AM
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Re: Lifevantage protandim

Here is a forum thread on the subject of Protandim that might be of interest called:

Clueless consumers use themselves as guinea pigs?

http://www.rimkor7.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6


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Old 08-24-2009, 09:16 AM
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LifeVantage

Looks like a good product. Does anyone know anything about this company?


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Old 08-24-2009, 09:26 AM
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Check their financial
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/new...ion/index.html

Click on 5 year price chart. As you can see business is not booming.


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Old 08-28-2009, 10:16 AM
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Re: LifeVantage

Arent they the company with a clinically proven product?
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Old 08-29-2009, 07:16 AM
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Re: LifeVantage

Yes, they do have a clinically proven product. Looks like there is not a lot of bad stuff out there. The product looks for reall. Lots of trials to prove it's a good product.

It looks like this thread may be a bust as no one seems to have had a bad experience with them. Thanks for the replies.


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Old 08-29-2009, 08:27 AM
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Re: LifeVantage

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Yes, they do have a clinically proven product. Looks like there is not a lot of bad stuff out there. The product looks for reall. Lots of trials to prove it's a good product.

It looks like this thread may be a bust as no one seems to have had a bad experience with them. Thanks for the replies.
"Clinically proven" is a very loose term. Just doing a quick Google search on the company, the product and the "clinical studies" I'd be careful. The "clinical studies" show that their flagship product MIGHT help in preventing some types of cancer. Studies don't say anything about retarding aging as their website says.

And just because no one posts any bad experiences on this thread doesn't make the company okay. That logic is just plain flawed.


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Old 08-29-2009, 10:02 AM
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Re: LifeVantage

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Looks like a good product. Does anyone know anything about this company?
Don't know much of anything about it, sorry. The first I've heard of it was your OP here.

Lou Abbott has a brief mention in his Blog;

Click here...

Good Luck to you.

Are nutritionals your 'bag'? What's the draw for you?

Just wondrin...

Please, do your homework.

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Old 08-29-2009, 11:02 AM
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Re: LifeVantage

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"Clinically proven" is a very loose term. Just doing a quick Google search on the company, the product and the "clinical studies" I'd be careful. The "clinical studies" show that their flagship product MIGHT help in preventing some types of cancer. Studies don't say anything about retarding aging as their website says.

And just because no one posts any bad experiences on this thread doesn't make the company okay. That logic is just plain flawed.

Actually their site says that its been clinically proven that the product slows down the aging of cells to a 20 year old.

http://www.lifevantage.com/protandim.aspx
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:45 AM
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Actually their site says that its been clinically proven that the product slows down the aging of cells to a 20 year old.

http://www.lifevantage.com/protandim.aspx
Right, but that's not what the studies were studying. They said it MIGHT be effective in preventing some types of cancer. My point is that while it's been clinically studied, it isn't clinically proven to "slow down the aging of cells to that of a 20-year-old".


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Old 08-29-2009, 11:57 AM
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Right, but that's not what the studies were studying. They said it MIGHT be effective in preventing some types of cancer. My point is that while it's been clinically studied, it isn't clinically proven to "slow down the aging of cells to that of a 20-year-old".
You may well be right Juulie, I'd never heard of the company before seeing this thread, so I just had a quick read of that web page.
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