Bizbuzz Scam?

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

:confused: Hello,

I was contacted by a family friend and I was asked about joining bizbuzz.com

I looked into the company and I don’t like what I see.

Here are some web sites, and a letter I sent my friend. I will telling you up font, that not all of my views maybe correct. This “hole” thing makes my head spin, and I am looking for help. I just would like to know if you feel the same way I do.

Warmly,
Brad

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Hello,

I was unable to take in the business call.

Both companies have past business calls that you can listened to on their web sites, so I was able to listen to a call dated March 9, 2006 and a 3 mins quick call from an 1-800 number.

After listening to about 20 mins of the 45 minute call, I was starting to understand why you are so excited about this opportunity. I started digging more into the companies, and while reading over the web site’s a few “Red Flag’s” appeared in my mind.

I also found some past information about Bizbuzz, back in Jan, 06 they said they are going to add no more then a 1000 people per day into their pay plan from their sister companies, and people wanting to take part in this, must be at Silver or higher. (This sounds like a spin on the Nigerian e-mail scam where you have to move now or you miss out on the opportunity. This is done so you make a quick decision and not check things out properly.)

I don’t know if you have taken the time to view the web site or viewed the pay plan on paper, but as far as I can tell this is not a real mlm, and would be classified as a Pyramid scheme in Canada, and I am sure it would have the same label in the USA.

Again, I am not an mlm lawyer, and may have misunderstood the rules and the pay plan.

As for the products, I find them un-sell-able. But that does not seem to be a problem, since you do not need to be selling products to make money with these companies, which was “Red Flag” number 1. The second “Red Flag” is the fact you have to buy into the next level, not with your own money, but with your commission checks.

As I understand both of these are not illegal.

As for all the companies that they claim advertise on the Golf Game, I don’t believe is accurate. The people that own the game also run another company call MVP Network, which runs it own opportunity for selling and you make money off of getting people to advertise on the game.

As of right now, I count four companies all making money off of this one game. The people that own the game also run another company called eGolfInternational, and you guessed it, another way of making money of this game.

They also have a web site called weeklytournament.com and you can buy tickets to play the Weekly online Golf Tournament. $90 for five tickets or chances to win the $10,000 prize.

Brad

Online opportunities run by the MVP Network Group (www.mvpnetwork.com)

Links and opportunities for the Golf game opportunity:
http://www.countryclubpro.com/
http://www.thecountryclub.us/
http://www.themvpnetwork.com/index.cfm?userid=Golfrus
http://www.goldenfairwayfx.com/main/main.asp
http://www.egolfinternational.com/index.cfm
http://www.egolf-fundraiser.com/
http://egolfadvertising.com/
http://egolffundraiser.com/
http://www.goldenfairwaybiz.com/
http://goldenfairway.com/
http://www.golfgamesonline.com/

Online Marketing Tools Opportunity:
http://ww.bizbuzz.ws/

Web site and E-Commerce Opportunity:
http://www.onlineexchange.com
http://www.10pagead.com/

Online Album Opportunity:
http://lifestoriesassociates.com/
http://seeouralbum.com/

Stock Opportunity:
http://hotstockpro.com/index.cfm
http://www.idayoindicator.com/index.cfm

Websites used, but are no longer in use:
http://www.theonline500.com/
http://www.onlineexchange.nu
http://www.thisexit.to

Originally Posted by webmaster@msatol-km.com

:confused: Hello,

I was contacted by a family friend and I was asked about joining bizbuzz.com

I looked into the company and I don’t like what I see.

Here are some web sites, and a letter I sent my friend. I will telling you up font, that not all of my views maybe correct. This “hole” thing makes my head spin, and I am looking for help. I just would like to know if you feel the same way I do.

Warmly,
Brad

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Hello,

I was unable to take in the business call.

Both companies have past business calls that you can listened to on their web sites, so I was able to listen to a call dated March 9, 2006 and a 3 mins quick call from an 1-800 number.

After listening to about 20 mins of the 45 minute call, I was starting to understand why you are so excited about this opportunity. I started digging more into the companies, and while reading over the web site’s a few “Red Flag’s” appeared in my mind.

I also found some past information about Bizbuzz, back in Jan, 06 they said they are going to add no more then a 1000 people per day into their pay plan from their sister companies, and people wanting to take part in this, must be at Silver or higher. (This sounds like a spin on the Nigerian e-mail scam where you have to move now or you miss out on the opportunity. This is done so you make a quick decision and not check things out properly.)

I don’t know if you have taken the time to view the web site or viewed the pay plan on paper, but as far as I can tell this is not a real mlm, and would be classified as a Pyramid scheme in Canada, and I am sure it would have the same label in the USA.

Again, I am not an mlm lawyer, and may have misunderstood the rules and the pay plan.

As for the products, I find them un-sell-able. But that does not seem to be a problem, since you do not need to be selling products to make money with these companies, which was “Red Flag” number 1. The second “Red Flag” is the fact you have to buy into the next level, not with your own money, but with your commission checks.

As I understand both of these are not illegal.

As for all the companies that they claim advertise on the Golf Game, I don’t believe is accurate. The people that own the game also run another company call MVP Network, which runs it own opportunity for selling and you make money off of getting people to advertise on the game.

As of right now, I count four companies all making money off of this one game. The people that own the game also run another company called eGolfInternational, and you guessed it, another way of making money of this game.

They also have a web site called weeklytournament.com and you can buy tickets to play the Weekly online Golf Tournament. $90 for five tickets or chances to win the $10,000 prize.

Brad

Online opportunities run by the MVP Network Group (www.mvpnetwork.com)

Links and opportunities for the Golf game opportunity:
http://www.countryclubpro.com/
http://www.thecountryclub.us/
http://www.themvpnetwork.com/index.cfm?userid=Golfrus
http://www.goldenfairwayfx.com/main/main.asp
http://www.egolfinternational.com/index.cfm
http://www.egolf-fundraiser.com/
http://egolfadvertising.com/
http://egolffundraiser.com/
http://www.goldenfairwaybiz.com/
http://goldenfairway.com/
http://www.golfgamesonline.com/

Online Marketing Tools Opportunity:
http://ww.bizbuzz.ws/

Web site and E-Commerce Opportunity:
http://www.onlineexchange.com
http://www.10pagead.com/

Online Album Opportunity:
http://lifestoriesassociates.com/
http://seeouralbum.com/

Stock Opportunity:
http://hotstockpro.com/index.cfm
http://www.idayoindicator.com/index.cfm

Websites used, but are no longer in use:
http://www.theonline500.com/
http://www.onlineexchange.nu
http://www.thisexit.to

I also got the "hurry, hurry, step right up" offer. Never really looked into the whole thing. Was not impressed with the hype about big money with no real talk of products & services recruiting technique.

Just remember that "No" is many times the appropriate answer to give to the recruiter.

OH-YEAH!!

[buzzirk]

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[buzzirk]

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[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Bizbuzz is part of a group of companies owned by MVP. Bizbuzz is nothing more then the tools for building TCC, both are money games. Don't fool yourself. Bizbuzz may have past as a real company, but since they joined pay plans with TCC, which is also owned by MVP they fail to a classed as a real opportunity/tools or company. The Bizbuzz products suck, it is a big joke. Much of my first post has nothing to do with bizbuzz. Without the joined pay plan, bizbuzz is nothing.

Many money games need to join together to keep new money coming in. Bizbuzz must have been slowing down, so the company joins them with another.

That way, people that join Bizbuzz take part in the TCC, and the people in TCC will take part in the Bizbuzz money game, and maybe bring in new people. Which all brings in new money.

If you are a bizbuzz distributor, and are not taking part in the joined pay plan, you may be the only one, that is active.

Let me give you a Checklist, for the information I have on the TCC opportunity, which joined pay plans with bizbuzz, which are all owned by the same company.

If my information is wrong please correct it in detail.
As in my first post, my information maybe wrong, I am very open to the idea.
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Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors?

Answer is yes and no. MVP has more then "ONE" company with an opportunity with the Golf game as a product. So, only MVP Distributors can sell the game, but they have more then "ONE" company doing it.

Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost?

Answer is yes and no, unless you only want to stay on the first level. You can not participate in the program without an investment.

Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading?

Answer is yes and no, other then the first level, you need to purchase products to move up, not sell them. So, the plan does not discourage inventory loading.

Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.)

Answer is just no.

Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.)

I don't have an answer for this one, I am hoping you do.

Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale.

Answer is no. MVP has no retailing requirements to qualify for commissions.

Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.)

Answer is yes and no. Other then soliciting distributors to get bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting, I would have to say no. But again, I am unsure and hope you have an answer.

Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.)

Answer is no.

Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors?

I don't have an answer for this one, I am hoping you do.

This is a good checklist with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid, but it is just a checklist. Again, how can MVP do things other "real" mlm companies can't?

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

"Please note change in this post"
I noticed an error, which needs to be corrected.

Originally Posted by webmaster@msatol-km.com

:confused: Hello,

I was contacted by a family friend and I was asked about joining bizbuzz.com

I looked into the company and I don’t like what I see.

Here are some web sites, and a letter I sent my friend. I will telling you up font, that not all of my views maybe correct. This “hole” thing makes my head spin, and I am looking for help. I just would like to know if you feel the same way I do.

Warmly,
Brad

--------

Hello,

I was unable to take in the business call.

Both companies have past business calls that you can listened to on their web sites, so I was able to listen to a call dated March 9, 2006 and a 3 mins quick call from an 1-800 number.

After listening to about 20 mins of the 45 minute call, I was starting to understand why you are so excited about this opportunity. I started digging more into the companies, and while reading over the web site’s a few “Red Flag’s” appeared in my mind.

I also found some past information about Bizbuzz, back in Jan, 06 they said they are going to add no more then a 1000 people per day into their pay plan from their sister companies, and people wanting to take part in this, must be at Silver or higher. (This sounds like a spin on the Nigerian e-mail scam where you have to move now or you miss out on the opportunity. This is done so you make a quick decision and not check things out properly.)

I don’t know if you have taken the time to view the web site or viewed the pay plan on paper, but as far as I can tell this is not a real mlm, and would be classified as a Pyramid scheme in Canada, and I am sure it would have the same label in the USA.

Again, I am not an mlm lawyer, and may have misunderstood the rules and the pay plan.

As for the products, I find them un-sell-able. But that does not seem to be a problem, since you do not need to be selling products to make money with these companies, which was “Red Flag” number 1. The second “Red Flag” is the fact you have to buy into the next level, not with your own money, but with your commission checks.

As I understand both of these are not illegal.
Should read "As I understand both of these are illegal. "

As for all the companies that they claim advertise on the Golf Game, I don’t believe is accurate. The people that own the game also run another company call MVP Network, which runs it own opportunity for selling and you make money off of getting people to advertise on the game.

As of right now, I count four companies all making money off of this one game. The people that own the game also run another company called eGolfInternational, and you guessed it, another way of making money of this game.

They also have a web site called weeklytournament.com and you can buy tickets to play the Weekly online Golf Tournament. $90 for five tickets or chances to win the $10,000 prize.

Brad

Online opportunities run by the MVP Network Group (www.mvpnetwork.com)

Links and opportunities for the Golf game opportunity:
http://www.countryclubpro.com/
http://www.thecountryclub.us/
http://www.themvpnetwork.com/index.cfm?userid=Golfrus
http://www.goldenfairwayfx.com/main/main.asp
http://www.egolfinternational.com/index.cfm
http://www.egolf-fundraiser.com/
http://egolfadvertising.com/
http://egolffundraiser.com/
http://www.goldenfairwaybiz.com/
http://goldenfairway.com/
http://www.golfgamesonline.com/

Online Marketing Tools Opportunity:
http://ww.bizbuzz.ws/

Web site and E-Commerce Opportunity:
http://www.onlineexchange.com
http://www.10pagead.com/

Online Album Opportunity:
http://lifestoriesassociates.com/
http://seeouralbum.com/

Stock Opportunity:
http://hotstockpro.com/index.cfm
http://www.idayoindicator.com/index.cfm

Websites used, but are no longer in use:
http://www.theonline500.com/
http://www.onlineexchange.nu
http://www.thisexit.to

[rumplemeister]

Good stuff Webmaster... that shed some light on the opportunity, or lack thereof, which is the country club. I heard about this a couple months ago from the same person that tried to get me into a gifting program called the ***** of people network however I don't join gifting programs so he thought I might hop on the country club because it is technically mlm. I thought it looked good but was a bit confusing as to how it actually worked and they were able to pay out 101%, which has never been done before in network marketing. So because of this reason I took the wait and see approach to play it safe, although it's only $200 I thought I should do my due diligence first. Well after several weeks gone by I ran into someone in my neck of the woods that was already involved with the country club, he gave me a copy of the game and it is a quality product but I dont see how the demand for the game is going to exceed the huge supply that all the distributors will be receiving when they upgrade to the higher levels of the program. The country club also just added something called the eagle's club which has a top payout of half a million but the way it was explained to me left me wondering why anyone would take the gamble that everyone else is going to roll up their bonuses as well, this seemingly could take years to materialize. I did however hear that someone was able to cycle through the seven levels in one month to get the $218,700 payout, and if that doesn't pique your curiosity I don't know what will.

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by rumplemeister

Good stuff Webmaster... that shed some light on the opportunity, or lack thereof, which is the country club. I heard about this a couple months ago from the same person that tried to get me into a gifting program called the ***** of people network however I don't join gifting programs so he thought I might hop on the country club because it is technically mlm. I thought it looked good but was a bit confusing as to how it actually worked and they were able to pay out 101%, which has never been done before in network marketing. So because of this reason I took the wait and see approach to play it safe, although it's only $200 I thought I should do my due diligence first. Well after several weeks gone by I ran into someone in my neck of the woods that was already involved with the country club, he gave me a copy of the game and it is a quality product but I dont see how the demand for the game is going to exceed the huge supply that all the distributors will be receiving when they upgrade to the higher levels of the program. The country club also just added something called the eagle's club which has a top payout of half a million but the way it was explained to me left me wondering why anyone would take the gamble that everyone else is going to roll up their bonuses as well, this seemingly could take years to materialize. I did however hear that someone was able to cycle through the seven levels in one month to get the $218,700 payout, and if that doesn't pique your curiosity I don't know what will.

now ,Again bizbuzz is not the country club,How can I explain this to webmaster.WEBMASTER,please show me better tools than promote2all and bizbuzz productions and the isp buzzirk for marketers .BUZZ 919 274 1628 P.S HOW MANY TOOLS HAVE YOU USED FROM BIZBUZZ ?

[buzzirk]

hOW MANY tools have you used,im very interested in you answer Brad, success2u buzz 919 274 1628

[wazzaa]

I have a friend involved in the MVP e-golf mln / scam.

It is in many ways a perfect money drain, you pay to join $2500 I think, you pay $9 a day to stay in and waste another $270 a month. Plus then pay for leads and this buzz stuff on top.

They tell you can make money from selling the game... I find that hard to believe, he (my friend) has to give his CD away and after a looking at it I would say the game is 5 years out of data. After playing tiger woods golf this is a real step back in time. He has done the normal mlm thing and giving them to all his family, friends and workmates. Obviously no one is interested in it.

You make money for selling balls to players if you can find any...but there is some catch I cant remember to that to.

You can make money selling advertising space on your game, with what google ads? lol

And of course you can recruit your downline and get a cut.

He has after several months spending $000 of dollars on "marketing" sold one. If you ask me the one sold was a inside job of MVP people..just to keep him spending the cash on the $9 and the other stuff, the commissions one sale does cover the costs.

I think they might have reworked the whole thing recently so some of this might be out of date.

[wazzaa]

Oh and the whole work from home thing... he spends 3-4hrs a night everynight for the last 6 months(they told he just has to work harder to make it) tring to make money on this and as a results he wife is leaving him. You have to sell a lot of golf balls to pay for 1/2 a house and support kids.

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by wazzaa

Oh and the whole work from home thing... he spends 3-4hrs a night everynight for the last 6 months(they told he just has to work harder to make it) tring to make money on this and as a results he wife is leaving him. You have to sell a lot of golf balls to pay for 1/2 a house and support kids.

BIZBUZZ IS BIZBUZZ,now i am interested did your friend join bizbuzZ? WHEN? SUCCESS2U BUZZ p.s bizbuzz is bizbuzz .

[How Come?]

I am going to break my silence from my last post ("the morals of MLM") and tell you I am involved witht the whole Country Club/Bizbuzz opportunity. I'll try and answer some of the above.

"I also found some past information about Bizbuzz, back in Jan, 06 they said they are going to add no more then a 1000 people per day into their pay plan from their sister companies, and people wanting to take part in this, must be at Silver or higher. (This sounds like a spin on the Nigerian e-mail scam where you have to move now or you miss out on the opportunity. This is done so you make a quick decision and not check things out properly.)"

I do not understand why they are only adding a 1000 people a day. They said because their systems or volume of employees are only big enough to make that kind of transfer. To answer the latter portion, members of the regular Country Club either need to stay put or move into the Country Club Biz (a mix of The Country club and Bizbuzz) while losing their status in the regular. You cannot occupy memberships in both. It all depends upon your status level in the initial Country Club. If you have a strong downline or whatever, you may wanna stay put; but if you do not have a strong following, you may wanna pack up and move to the CC Biz.

"I don’t know if you have taken the time to view the web site or viewed the pay plan on paper, but as far as I can tell this is not a real mlm, and would be classified as a Pyramid scheme in Canada, and I am sure it would have the same label in the USA."

That was my issue from my previous topic. I have all these games they send me because of my monthly membership fee, but members are not really making money on the games as opposed to the downline membership dues.

"As for the products, I find them un-sell-able. But that does not seem to be a problem, since you do not need to be selling products to make money with these companies, which was “Red Flag” number 1. The second “Red Flag” is the fact you have to buy into the next level, not with your own money, but with your commission checks."

It isn't I disagree with you, but someone explain Red Flag number 2 to me about the commission checks?

Looking back, the key is the company has pledge their video games are four year up on the competition in terms of technical advancement. I find it interesting though if they were that competitive, why not create their own game system that competes with XBox, etc. Instead, the games are PC playable only, and there doesn't seem to be hardly any emphasis on selling the product directly other than the games that are sent to you as a part of the montly membership fee. The member can sell them for $10 a piece or give them away, which is really just promoting bringing people into your downline. The company is in essence giving the product to its members to sell or do whatever with, but it isn't selling them directly to the consumer.

"As for all the companies that they claim advertise on the Golf Game, I don’t believe is accurate. The people that own the game also run another company call MVP Network, which runs it own opportunity for selling and you make money off of getting people to advertise on the game."

That's a good point. I never thought about that. They've never really backed up anything in writing that says 40 or 50 Fortune 500 companies have provided a total of $100 million dollars in advertising revenue.

"As of right now, I count four companies all making money off of this one game. The people that own the game also run another company called eGolfInternational, and you guessed it, another way of making money of this game.

They also have a web site called weeklytournament.com and you can buy tickets to play the Weekly online Golf Tournament. $90 for five tickets or chances to win the $10,000 prize."

There is another interesting marketing aspect I hadn't thought of till now. The Country Club, etc., have never really talked much about WHO they are marketing this game to, namely kids who play video games. I mean they are marketing to all kinds of adults in the business, but adults are generally not into games. Kids are. Nobody is going to pay an absorbant cost to win a grand prize.

"Well after several weeks gone by I ran into someone in my neck of the woods that was already involved with the country club, he gave me a copy of the game and it is a quality product but I dont see how the demand for the game is going to exceed the huge supply that all the distributors will be receiving when they upgrade to the higher levels of the program. The country club also just added something called the eagle's club which has a top payout of half a million but the way it was explained to me left me wondering why anyone would take the gamble that everyone else is going to roll up their bonuses as well, this seemingly could take years to materialize. I did however hear that someone was able to cycle through the seven levels in one month to get the $218,700 payout, and if that doesn't pique your curiosity I don't know what will."

This is another excellent point. When you move up the system, the amount of games you receive count into the thousands. How the heck are you going to get rid of all of them let alone sell them for a profit? The person that received the $218,700 in a month or so was the president or owner basically, the person at the top. Like anything else, it is a gamble. You hope people stick it out for the long run and hope everyone roles up along. But if they do not, you might be outta luck as well as wondering if the whole business opportunity will crash along the way because then members have to find more recruits that might not be there when the system is no longer in its fresh and new state.

I have more to reply to a little later.

[How Come?]

"It is in many ways a perfect money drain, you pay to join $2500 I think, you pay $9 a day to stay in and waste another $270 a month. Plus then pay for leads and this buzz stuff on top."

To join the Country Club Biz, it is about $210 plus $20 a month thereafter.

"They tell you can make money from selling the game... I find that hard to believe, he (my friend) has to give his CD away and after a looking at it I would say the game is 5 years out of data. After playing tiger woods golf this is a real step back in time. He has done the normal mlm thing and giving them to all his family, friends and workmates. Obviously no one is interested in it."

Another great point that is kinda scary for me now looking back. MVP develops these games and says they are 4 years up on the competition technically game wise. Yet someone such as yourself believes it isn't even as good as Tiger Woods.

[buzzirk]

HOW COME I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM WEBMASTER?The main reason i JOINED bizbuzz to market my mlm that i have been a member for three years.I LIKE what bizbuzz has to offer for tools. now more later. buzz 919 274 1628

[How Come?]

For clarification, BizBuzz supplies network marketing tools for a one-time lifetime fee of $99. Networking people from all over the globe can come and utilize their tools to promote their own business if they like. My issue is mostly with The Country Club portion which is the distributor of MVP's video games.

[How Come?]

There is also a deepening of the tradition of some MLM operations. People have even said they "do not know how long it will last", and it has the feel of 'get rich fast' before its gone. I can only hope I'm wrong.

[Adam Weishaupt]

Originally Posted by buzzirk

BIZBUZZ IS BIZBUZZ,now i am interested did your friend join bizbuzZ? WHEN? SUCCESS2U BUZZ p.s bizbuzz is bizbuzz .

How can a company possibly fail with such articulate individuals to represent them?

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by wazzaa

I have a friend involved in the MVP e-golf mln / scam.

It is in many ways a perfect money drain, you pay to join $2500 I think, you pay $9 a day to stay in and waste another $270 a month. Plus then pay for leads and this buzz stuff on top.

They tell you can make money from selling the game... I find that hard to believe, he (my friend) has to give his CD away and after a looking at it I would say the game is 5 years out of data. After playing tiger woods golf this is a real step back in time. He has done the normal mlm thing and giving them to all his family, friends and workmates. Obviously no one is interested in it.

You make money for selling balls to players if you can find any...but there is some catch I cant remember to that to.

You can make money selling advertising space on your game, with what google ads? lol

And of course you can recruit your downline and get a cut.

He has after several months spending $000 of dollars on "marketing" sold one. If you ask me the one sold was a inside job of MVP people..just to keep him spending the cash on the $9 and the other stuff, the commissions one sale does cover the costs.

I think they might have reworked the whole thing recently so some of this might be out of date.

You are right the e-golf company by MVP is a work of art. I believe it is older then TCC and the MVP Network companies. I am not 100% sure.

E-golf costs big money to join, but if you join TCC and MVP Network, you pretty much have the same marketing options you have with E-golf at a much smaller cost. If you want to sell a 3 course golf game.

E-golf looks much more like a real company then the other opporunties that MVP has that deal with the online golf game.

I have not looked much into the E-golf company, I have my hands full with bizbuzz and TCC scam, but I am sure it would not take much before you could find something wrong or illegal.

These people at MVP Online know how to play the money game.

This online golf game was carried by another company, called Your Money Machine Success System" (YMMSS), which changed to Success Through Advertising, or STA.

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by Adam Weishaupt

How can a company possibly fail with such articulate individuals to represent them?

How to win in mlm.?Why does the sun keep on/WHEREO WHERE CAN MY BABY BE? Now hoe[not a word] i represent bizbuzz.tHIS is simple,whem you join under my url,I sponsor you,you say IM HAPPY OR YOU SAY i dont like the one time 99 beans FOR BIZBUZZ TOOLS and TRAINING,i speedy wallet the 99 beans anywhere in the world back to you. NOW YOU must use the tools for 30 days.WOW that was not very articulate just good business savvy.ONE DAY I ARTICULATE MY OPINION ON BUZZIRK MOBILE,stay tuned if you understand ,Adam. buzz 919 274 1628 my phone .

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by How Come?

For clarification, BizBuzz supplies network marketing tools for a one-time lifetime fee of $99. Networking people from all over the globe can come and utilize their tools to promote their own business if they like. My issue is mostly with The Country Club portion which is the distributor of MVP's video games.

Have you used the tools? thanks success2u buzz 919 274 1628

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

"It isn't I disagree with you, but someone explain Red Flag number 2 to me about the commission checks?"

With TCC you get Partner Bonuses, you can have the company send them to you, or you can use it to buy into the next level "order the next CD package".


As far as I can tell The Country Club is a Pyramid scheme.

The compensation plan is paying for the mere act of recruiting. No retailing requirement.

You buy into the next level with your own commission checks, that you use to purchase products and recruit to move up.

It goes something like this, you get 3 to join at level A, you then take your recruiting bonus for getting those 3, give it back to the company and then you move up to level B. You then find 3 who will do what you did, and then you move up to level C.... And this roll-up keeps going and promising specific and greater income the higher you go, until you stop. This is all date and time sensitive.

[buzzirk]

You stated bizbuzz is a joke,i asked if you joined and used the tools,training?.You never answer. WHY DONT YOU ANSWER?Now you keep on with mvpnetwork country club,i think you should call mvpnetwork and ask them about \ marketing plans. success2u buzz 919 274 1628

[How Come?]

Have you used the tools? thanks success2u buzz 919 274 1628

Yes, and I'm not that impressed with some of them, particularly the sub-Gold level tools.

[How Come?]

This online golf game was carried by another company, called Your Money Machine Success System" (YMMSS), which changed to Success Through Advertising, or STA.

YMMSS held the exact same online golf game before MVP?

[How Come?]

With TCC you get Partner Bonuses, you can have the company send them to you, or you can use it to buy into the next level "order the next CD package".


As far as I can tell The Country Club is a Pyramid scheme.

The compensation plan is paying for the mere act of recruiting. No retailing requirement.

You buy into the next level with your own commission checks, that you use to purchase products and recruit to move up.

It goes something like this, you get 3 to join at level A, you then take your recruiting bonus for getting those 3, give it back to the company and then you move up to level B. You then find 3 who will do what you did, and then you move up to level C.... And this roll-up keeps going and promising specific and greater income the higher you go, until you stop. This is all date and time sensitive.

I see. So the commission checks is unsubstantiated monies that say you are making all this money while moving up the ladder when actually all they are doing is trying to keep your hopes up and therefore you continue to pay the monthly membership fees and bring in new clientele. Let me know if I'm missing something.

[How Come?]

Another great point that is kinda scary for me now looking back. MVP develops these games and says they are 4 years up on the competition technically game wise. Yet someone such as yourself believes it isn't even as good as Tiger Woods.

Another thing is the owner/president of the company has said they turned down Bill Gates because he wanted to own the rights or whathaveyou on the video game technology that is purported to be 4 years up on anyone else. I may just be drawing dumb conclusions, but why would he turn down Bill Gates? I'd think he could make a ton and skip the whole CC business. Unless BG low balled him.

[How Come?]

Bizbuzz is part of a group of companies owned by MVP. Bizbuzz is nothing more then the tools for building TCC, both are money games. Don't fool yourself. Bizbuzz may have past as a real company, but since they joined pay plans with TCC, which is also owned by MVP they fail to a classed as a real opportunity/tools or company. The Bizbuzz products suck, it is a big joke. Much of my first post has nothing to do with bizbuzz. Without the joined pay plan, bizbuzz is nothing.

Many money games need to join together to keep new money coming in. Bizbuzz must have been slowing down, so the company joins them with another.

That way, people that join Bizbuzz take part in the TCC, and the people in TCC will take part in the Bizbuzz money game, and maybe bring in new people. Which all brings in new money.

All I know is Bizbuzz is a network marketing tool that can be used by anyone to market their own business (non-Country Club). The "Country Club Biz" is a merger between the CC and Bizbuzz. Those in the CC have a top priority in the matrix after the owner, president, etc., and before the non-Country Club people who bought Bizbuzz to utilize their tool services.

Don't fool yourself. Bizbuzz may have past as a real company, but since they joined pay plans with TCC, which is also owned by MVP they fail to a classed as a real opportunity/tools or company. The Bizbuzz products suck, it is a big joke. Much of my first post has nothing to do with bizbuzz. Without the joined pay plan, bizbuzz is nothing.

Many money games need to join together to keep new money coming in. Bizbuzz must have been slowing down, so the company joins them with another.

For the sake of argument, how do you know of the tools? Have you seen them? Also, Bizbuzz's portal, buzzirk.com, only went live within a few weeks ago. What I'm saying is I am giving them the benefit of the doubt over the next days until I'm for certain of my decision because I only came to this point a little over a day ago. I just want to make a concise decision that isn't rushed. Again, it does seem I know where I'm at, but I wanna make for certain.

[How Come?]

Also, my associate is saying MVP is [U}not[/u] the creator of Bizbuzz, but they have formed a partnership.

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by How Come?

Yes, and I'm not that impressed with some of them, particularly the sub-Gold level tools.

THANKS for your answer,webmaster never answers. more later on buzzirk mobile, success2u buzz

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by How Come?

YMMSS held the exact same online golf game before MVP?

That is what I am told by people that know of YMMSS.

MVP uses an old golf game web site that was once used by YMMSS, that now sends everyone to their opporunity. So, I believe that information to be correct.

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by How Come?

With TCC you get Partner Bonuses, you can have the company send them to you, or you can use it to buy into the next level "order the next CD package".


As far as I can tell The Country Club is a Pyramid scheme.

The compensation plan is paying for the mere act of recruiting. No retailing requirement.

You buy into the next level with your own commission checks, that you use to purchase products and recruit to move up.

It goes something like this, you get 3 to join at level A, you then take your recruiting bonus for getting those 3, give it back to the company and then you move up to level B. You then find 3 who will do what you did, and then you move up to level C.... And this roll-up keeps going and promising specific and greater income the higher you go, until you stop. This is all date and time sensitive.

I see. So the commission checks is unsubstantiated monies that say you are making all this money while moving up the ladder when actually all they are doing is trying to keep your hopes up and therefore you continue to pay the monthly membership fees and bring in new clientele. Let me know if I'm missing something.

Sounds right.

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by How Come?

Another thing is the owner/president of the company has said they turned down Bill Gates because he wanted to own the rights or whathaveyou on the video game technology that is purported to be 4 years up on anyone else. I may just be drawing dumb conclusions, but why would he turn down Bill Gates? I'd think he could make a ton and skip the whole CC business. Unless BG low balled him.

Does the owner/president have any way of proving he truned down Gates, or Gates/Windows even talked or know about this game?

I think not. Just because someone says its true does make it so.

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

As for what I have read about the tools, which have been spammed all over the web by distributors, I don't care much for them.

The fact that 90% if not more of the mlmers, know very little about using the web. You have no market for the tools or a sales force.

If you have a web site, you get allot of the tools from your ISP and domain hosting company, if not you need a new host, plus allot for the mlm companies provide tools/web sites/Online Office etc... for free.

The buzzirk.com web site is just one of the many tools. Buzzirk.com may not have been developed by MVP. It is not uncommon for another company to partner with an mlm company to retail services/products.

Many of the services at buzzirk.com other then VoIP, have been/are sold by other mlm companies, it is nothing new to this industry. And there are reasons why VoIP has not been sold by way of mlm. As for the VoIP service I can’t say if it is a good services, because you can’t find any real information, other then coming soon.

As for the DSL service, I would never use it, the cost is to high, it would cost me to switch and use their DSL service, and the number one biggest selling tool in this industry is testimonial. If you don’t use the products/services should you really by selling them?

Did you notice that the web site talks nothing about the company, and gives very little detail?

MVPs stock opportunity, they did not develop the product, it was once a very popular online product a few years ago, until the company went under. The product has little value now, other then to MVP which uses its past headlines to get people to join in the business opportunity, again not much of a market for the average person.

I am also sure that MVP did not develop the online Album they use in another opportunity.

The biggest problem I see with MVP other then it all looks like a scam, is why set all these opportunities up as different companies?

Why not carry them under one company?

Why not carry the buzzirk.com services, the Online Album services, stock services, and golf game services all under one company; since they are not real products per say, you are just buying/selling access to the service.

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by How Come?

Also, my associate is saying MVP is [U}not[/u] the creator of Bizbuzz, but they have formed a partnership.

He may be right, as I said I could be wrong.

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by How Come?

This is another excellent point. When you move up the system, the amount of games you receive count into the thousands. How the heck are you going to get rid of all of them let alone sell them for a profit? The person that received the $218,700 in a month or so was the president or owner basically, the person at the top. Like anything else, it is a gamble. You hope people stick it out for the long run and hope everyone roles up along. But if they do not, you might be outta luck as well as wondering if the whole business opportunity will crash along the way because then members have to find more recruits that might not be there when the system is no longer in its fresh and new state.

I have more to reply to a little later.

"Mark Petchel is the first Country Club distributor to get paid $218,700. Mark earned this in less than 4 weeks."

Bizbuzz.ws web site is Registerd to:
Mark Petchel - mark@autoincomesystem.ws
autoincomesystem (autoincomesystem.ws active)
1713 NE Auburn DR
KC, Missouri 64086
United States

autoincomesystem.ws web site is Registerd to:
Mark Petchell
mark@theagelgroup.com (theagelgroup.com web site not active)

BUZZIRK.COM web site is registerd to:
Ted Robbins (of bizbuzz)
5808 Summitview
Suite A, #143
Yakima, Washington 98908
United States

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Originally Posted by webmaster@msatol-km.com

He may be right, as I said I could be wrong.

BizBuzz - Corporate Office
7701 Forsyth Blvd., Suite 325
Clayton, MO 63105
Fax: 800-859-3163
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TheCountryClub.us owned by MVP Online

7701 Forsyth Blvd, Suite 325, Clayton, Missouri 63105 USA
Phone: 314-721-3947
Phone: 800-482-7904
Fax: 314-721-1251
Email: support@TheCountryClub.us

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Here is a cool little reading.


09.02.2006 - 18:07h
Announcing Our Joint Venture Partner
PixAdsPay is pleased to announce its Joint Venture with BizBuzz, the marketing portal that is revolutionizing online marketing.

Kurt Neufeld, owner of PixAdsPay, along with Mark Petchel and Ted Robbins of BizBuzz made the announcement at 8pm EST tonight.

Through the joint venture, BizBuzz will enroll its members into PixAdsPay when they reach a given performance level. In exchange, PixAdsPay will provide BizBuzz brand
awareness to visitors on the PixAdsPay site.

Further details of the joint venture will be given on BizBuzz's Tuesday night call at 9pm Eastern. The number for the BizBuzz call is 641-793-7500 Pin: 147410# Call in early, the lines will be packed. BizBuzz regularly has between 8 and 10 thousand people on per call.

This is a joint venture of great magnitude, and we hope you will extend a warm welcome to the vast number of new PixAdsPay members that will join through this partnership.

The PixAdsPay launch is beginning to take shape, and we are glad to have you along with us!

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

Here is another little cool read, I found on a web site.

The Story of Mark Petchel
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Thanks so much to Sheri Bonay for providing this information from a phone conversation she had with Mark.

Mark told us he had joined the original country club and sponsored 128 members. Things were not moving as fast as he thought they would and so to help his members; he devised his OWN matrix and comp plan and came back in leading a forced 3x matrix and we are the ones benefiting from this.

Draw a triangle, and that is the main TCC. Then, draw a triangle inside that triangle that is the MARK PETCHEL COUNTRY CLUB BIZ MATRIX we are all in and THAT is a forced matrix.

The problem with going "wide" in the matrix is now you have too many levels to fill and it will take forever to do so. Each one of those personals is another personal to fill under and it just wasn't happening. Also if any of those members decide to cash out instead of rollup....guess what? It stops your entire line and this is what happened to Mark. He asked Paul Schneider, CEO of TCC, if he could come back in designing his OWN 3x forced matrix. Paul agreed, and Country Club Bizz Matrix was born.

Spillover counts as personals in the ROLLUP MATRIX of the CountryClubBiz so that everyone is concentrating on ONE line under them to get to that all deserving level of $218,700 alot quicker than if you have several front line matrices.

In Mark's mind, he was thinking "OK, this forced matrix needs to allow for spillover to count as personals so we all reach that $218,700 level faster but we still need to reward those who are giving up their personals to help qualify those in the rollup matrix. So that is where the equity bonuses and unilevel come into play.

Once you have 3 personals tied to you directly then you not only qualify for the rollup matrix but the unilevel and the equity bonuses too. This is your reward for sponsoring so many personals. Every 3 members you sponsor, you are awarded another position in the equity bonuses...and this will build as your personals start sponsoring people too.

But, then he said...but you know what...not everyone is going to be able to sponsor 3 members all by themselves so this is why Bizbuzz was created.

Now all of these members who are in the rollup matrix benefiting from spillover but panicking cause they don't have their 3 to be qualified for the other 2 streams of income will be imported into bizbuzz as founding members.

Given a week to upgrade to a silver which in turns rewards you by placing you in the company rotator that will be viewed on billions of sites around the world.

If someone comes to bizbuzz and lands on your page and signs up... guess what??? You just got yourself a personal and guess what? That personal becomes your PERSONAL IN TCC if they elect to get the free position once they cycle and guess what that does? 3 of those and you are qualified not only for the rollup matrix but now the other 2 additional streams of income and for every 3 people who see the value in bizbuzz as you did and upgrade to silver as you did, that promotes you to gold and gives you yet ANOTHER position in the countryclubbiz matrix. Do you know where that position is going to go??

Mark is brilliant! He wants to make sure he gets to that $218,700 level too right? He can't do that if there are holes all over his matrix can he?? Once you cycle in Bizbuzz and get that new position; that new position falls on the first available open slot in the highest position in the bizbuzz matrix. That could be on the 4th level when your main position may be on the 8th level...that one the 4th level could cycle faster than your main one depending on under who and where you land.

Lets not forget the 14 top marketers that are coming into bizbuzz and will be placed throughout the matrix. I'm looking at our matrix and I am seeing a very wide gap on level 5 in the center....I bet you one of those top marketers are going to fall in our matrix somewhere cause mark is going to be looking at the matrix and trying to decide what is the best approach for filling it even....see what I am getting at??

So you people worried about getting your 3 at this stage in the game. Don't be! If you are really concerned about it then do what a few other members have done sponsor your 3 positions under yourself. You've been seeing luk01, luk02 luk03 and even luk09....these guys are not hurting for cash but see the value of what we have here and are maximizing on it now creating their own positions under themselves and qualifying fast for all income streams.

If you can afford it, go for it! The only thing that will be a hindrance is the time factor. If you don't get your 3 right away; you may miss out on commissions in the short term but eventually this matrix is going to be filled by these extra positions being created and nothing is going to stop that. Everyone has a goal to get to that $218,700 level and if we have holes in our matrix then guess where the concentration is going to go?? You guessed it!

[webmaster@msatol-km.com]

And more cool reads from a web site.

Our Main Business TCC
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For all practical purposes, our business actually consists of three different business models rolled into one. Our "core business" is The Country Club or TCC as we call it.

TCC is an online golf game (not gambling) distributed both on CD as well as by online downloads. The company is currently developing other games to add to the line-up for those who are not so golf friendly! Your customers can play online tournaments, win prizes and cash and participate in live chat, all while playing a game they love. You earn money not only be selling the CD's or downloads, but also by introducing others to the business opportunity. There are a few income streams that you can participate in, and those will be explained later... this is just an explanation of the business itself.

The Country Club is a subsidiary of MVP online, which is an 11 year old company based in St. Louis, Missouri. The Country Club hasdeveloped a method for us to profit from the online game industry. We make money through the use of a family-oriented, online golf game. You don't have to be a golfer, a gamer, or a technician to make serious money with this business, which is what makes it so successful. You have a very wide market of people to sell to!

It's management is top notch too, and they are very involved in the business and communicating with us daily. You can find detailed information on them at thecountryclub.us/company.cfm.

Folks, this is the core business, and it is a fantastic one at that. But, for most people, any online business can be very hard to operate if you do not:

1) Know the business forwards and backwards
2) Have a warm market of people ready to enroll with you
3) OR know how to advertise the product and get people to respond and sign up beneath you.

The number 1 we are taking care of as we speak. It is your responsibility to know your business in and out so that you can market the information properly to those you are marketing to. No one can do it for you, because if someone asks you a question and they feel you do not know enough about the business you are promoting... why one earth would they sign up? Granted, there may be times when they ask an off the wall question you may have to search for the answer for, but for the most part, you need to know your product.

The last two issues are really one in the same. It all involves marketing, getting your business in front of as many people as you can. Some people are quite skilled at it, and can do it with no help at all. The methods on doing this will also be addressed later. But for those of us who may not be so skilled with the silver tongue, we have our two side businesses which will help us out quite nicely.

BizBuzz and Official Game Center are our two arms, if you will, and these arms will provide the tools necessary for us to succeed in this business. Each of them have their benefits, each marketing to a very distinct group of marketers, all feeding into TCC. It is the perfect marriage of tools, as I will explain in the next topic, BB and OGC.

BB and OGC (Our advertising arms)
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BizBuzz (BB) and Official Game Center (OGC) are the two arms of our main business that we will use to advertise the business and bring people into our downlines. (A downline is simply a word we use to describe our entire team that falls below us in the business. This would be anyone whom you sign up as well as anyone they sign up and so on, straight down the line. When we refer to our upline, we are referring to our sponsor, or the one who signed us up… and their sponsor, all the way up the line.) These two “portals” as we will call them will each market to different types of people who will become our customers, or perhaps distributors under us. Both of them are excellent resources for us to tap into, especially if we are not that skilled in attaining distributors underneath us. Given that we need three personally enrolled distributors beneath us in our main business to qualify for all three levels of income we can derive from it, this is extremely important. The faster we introduce three people to this business and TEACH them how to introduce three people themselves, the faster we will all succeed. In this business, and particularly on this team, we do not intend to leave anyone behind. We are here to make sure you get the information, training and support that you need to get this business started right… because when you succeed, we succeed.

BizBuzz is the first arm I will discuss. It is this business that has intrigued me most in this scenario, as although our main income will come from TCC at first, BizBuzz has the potential to not only help us introduce TCC to the world, but to also allow us to build many different income streams to go right along with it. And, BizBuzz has a compensation plan all it’s own! So, we can make money while advertising TCC… or any other business we may be involved with for that matter. BizBuzz will off a suite of marketing tools such as blasters, submitters, email, etc. that we can use to advertise any business with, including TCC. They will also off paid sign-ups for those of us who want to be completely passive, although that would never be my first choice, and they will rotate all silver members and above with their own company mass advertisements. They have contracts with 14 of the internet’s top marketers to begin bringing their downlines in after our prelaunch is over, which is coming up shortly… so don’t delay! You will definitely be happy you were in before the rush! You will need to see your upline to see if they have a position in this business and make sure you sign up under them if they do. If they do not, have them pass you upline to someone who does, and we will still be building under our own team!


BizBuzz will also be offering more tools in the future, as well as it’s own ISP and many other services. It is set to become the internet’s next big thing, and we are all founders. Can you imagine if you have been involved with yahoo or something of the like at the very beginning? WOW! And, you guessed it folks; we will be earning commissions on all of these things, plus any future endeavors and partnerships they take on. For a closer look, please see www.bizbuzz.ws/howitworks.cfm. This company was developed by a man named Mark Petchel, and for more about him, please see the topic The Story of Mark Petchel.

Official Game Center is the newest member of our trio, and it is developed by our very own upline, for the use of OUR TEAM only! Anyone coming into our business through our entire line may use it, but if they were involved in another team of the company they would actually have to buy a new position in order to benefit from this one. It was developed by our own upline, Curt and Stefan and their partner Clint, who are also awesome team players! The developed OGC to ensure that everybody gets three people beneath him or her in the rollup matrix. Within this program lies the P.A.C., which is an Advertising Co-Op. All members of the Official Game Center are entered into this advertising co-op and continue to receive FREE advertising until they have three members on the first level of their Rollup Matrix. There are also other benefits to this program, as it will advertise not only to marketers, but also to the gamers who will like TCC for the game alone, let alone the business opportunity. It will also enable you to sell the downloads, as up until now, this was just a side thought! The first 500 positions in this system will be sold for only $29.95, so be sure to get in as soon as possible! After those first 500 positions are gone, they will go up to $49.95, which is still very reasonable considering it will get you your three and qualify you for all income levels. You can see why this is also a valuable tool and one that might interest anyone who signs up below you! You will need to see your upline to see if they have a position in this business and make sure you sign up under them if they do. If they do not, have them pass you upline to someone who does, and we will still be building under our own team!
To learn more, just go to www.officialgamecenter.com/b/hankins3/

[buzzirk]

Originally Posted by buzzirk

How to win in mlm.?Why does the sun keep on/WHEREO WHERE CAN MY BABY BE? Now hoe[not a word] i represent bizbuzz.tHIS is simple,whem you join under my url,I sponsor you,you say IM HAPPY OR YOU SAY i dont like the one time 99 beans FOR BIZBUZZ TOOLS and TRAINING,i speedy wallet the 99 beans anywhere in the world back to you. NOW YOU must use the tools for 30 days.WOW that was not very articulate just good business savvy.ONE DAY I ARTICULATE MY OPINION ON BUZZIRK MOBILE,stay tuned if you understand ,Adam. buzz 919 274 1628 my phone .

WHY you will want buzzirk mobile? more info to come

[ShadowSpirit]

Joined Bizbuzz back in december 2005. We where promissed 250.000 leads per month and more when we got better titles (recruited more).

This was before Bizbuzz had a name and EVERYTHING was in place.

The big guns where just waiting for Mark Petchels signal to start mass market and let the masses in. It was also said that many thousands of people where allready preinrolled and where to be put under us who joined. Suckers we where.

The marketing system where one of a kind and finally people that where not able to recruit like the big guns, would be able to build a large downline.

Money where in place and the hype where great.

The problem is, now 4 months later. The marketing tools Bizbuzz is offering is crap crap crap. I and many with me have used it (it doesnt work), and it is outdated and just something Bizbuzz have put on their website for show.

The markting system Mark has going on and on and on about for 4 months is just around the corner, as it where 4 monts ago.

What they have come up with is some useless isp and other crap stuff.

Who the hell is interested in paying $99 just so they can pay $29 per month for using promote2all????????????

4 months, it's been 4 months. When will we get the incredible marketing system they promissed.

The only one that has rolled to make some big money is Mark Petchel.

Oh, on last thing. Join now, before it's to late. :mad:

[How Come?]

Lets not forget the 14 top marketers that are coming into bizbuzz and will be placed throughout the matrix. I'm looking at our matrix and I am seeing a very wide gap on level 5 in the center....I bet you one of those top marketers are going to fall in our matrix somewhere cause mark is going to be looking at the matrix and trying to decide what is the best approach for filling it even....see what I am getting at??

Am I reading this right? If I were reading between the lines correctly, "key" positions may not cycle up to down, left to right in the matrix as the supposed 'even playing field' has been broadcasted on conference calls. I wasn't expecting it to.

Also, what is your opinions of what really will happen in the recent previous posts you have posted?

[How Come?]

That is what I am told by people that know of YMMSS.

MVP uses an old golf game web site that was once used by YMMSS, that now sends everyone to their opporunity. So, I believe that information to be correct.

Wait. Just for clarification again, lets leave the website out of it and just focus on the game itself. YMMSS held the exact same online golf "game" before MVP?

Another thing on the unsubstantiated monies. Everyone in the matrix did receive various amounts of monies in a Speedy Wallet account to pay for their new positons that I believed are talked about in the previous posts of yours. I know these monies are real because I transferred them to my own checking account as did many in my group.

Does the owner/president have any way of proving he truned down Gates, or Gates/Windows even talked or know about this game?

I think not. Just because someone says its true does make it so.

No. Now that I think of it it was never mentioned in a conference call either as far as I can remember. It was hear say.

As for what I have read about the tools, which have been spammed all over the web by distributors, I don't care much for them.

The fact that 90% if not more of the mlmers, know very little about using the web. You have no market for the tools or a sales force.

Maybe the bigger issue to me is even if the tools were good, it is the mass influx of spam that creates a "sameness" throughout internet advertising land. Ads are going to housing sites that are filled with the stuff. Hardly anyone will notice. Bizbuzz and Country Club webpages that all look alike will be sent out everywhere. There doesn't seem to be anything that you as a position holder can do to change fonts and coloring, etc. In a way you are better off marketing it yourself in many aspects. It's the same problem with anything when their is a lot of volume in industry: things get housed as one thing to save time and money.

Many of the services at buzzirk.com other then VoIP, have been/are sold by other mlm companies, it is nothing new to this industry. And there are reasons why VoIP has not been sold by way of mlm. As for the VoIP service I can’t say if it is a good services, because you can’t find any real information, other then coming soon.

I probably should know, but explain what VoIP is please?

As for the DSL service, I would never use it, the cost is to high, it would cost me to switch and use their DSL service, and the number one biggest selling tool in this industry is testimonial. If you don’t use the products/services should you really by selling them?

Did you notice that the web site talks nothing about the company, and gives very little detail?

Exactly. When I first joined, the company was talking about being bigger than Yahoo, etc. I can say I didn't believe them at first, but the supposed plethora of tools offered over time made me think it was a possibility. I'm an idiot. The first time I saw buzzirk.com, I knew it wouldn't be huge like Yahoo, MSN, etc. like they projected because they site is strictly a network marketing tool. I had envisioned news reports, etc. etc. like those other big name portals to compete with. Even one of the overviews you just posted talked about being big like Yahoo. (BTW, I'm nearly positive that is Mark Ryder's words. I recognize them because he is on the conference calls most of the time.) In all though, the buzzirk website doesn't impress me and looks kinda cheap, like they threw it together, like the *look* of their other websites. I mean the link to the goldenfairway is awfully poor looking.

MVPs stock opportunity, they did not develop the product, it was once a very popular online product a few years ago, until the company went under. The product has little value now, other then to MVP which uses its past headlines to get people to join in the business opportunity, again not much of a market for the average person.

I am also sure that MVP did not develop the online Album they use in another opportunity.

Come again? When you say "they did not develop the product," what are you specifically referring to - the stock or game, what? What was "once a very popular online product a few years ago, until the company went under"? And what "online Album"?

The biggest problem I see with MVP other then it all looks like a scam, is why set all these opportunities up as different companies?

Why not carry them under one company?

Why not carry the buzzirk.com services, the Online Album services, stock services, and golf game services all under one company; since they are not real products per say, you are just buying/selling access to the service.

It would seem they just want to stay diversified so when one company they create goes under, they can move their assets over to the others.

As an FYI, my associate could not link to scam.com properly for some reason, so I am pasting her many of the things you say in emails.

[How Come?]

Also, the PixAdsPay is junk. A person in my upline even said so. For those not aware, it basically is tiny little on-screen ads you click on to supposedly generate more interest. Another way to make additional money as far as I can see.

[How Come?]

The big guns where just waiting for Mark Petchels signal to start mass market and let the masses in. It was also said that many thousands of people where allready preinrolled and where to be put under us who joined. Suckers we where.

Isn't that something. The whole we enrolled in a "ground floor" opportunity isn't really that. The pre-enrolled probably doesn't even exist, so in the end it really is the top make all the money. Those who thought they enrolled on that "ground floor" status are really somewhere at the bottom. It's no wonder in the back office of our accounts we can only see our downline graphics and not those above us.

Who the hell is interested in paying $99 just so they can pay $29 per month for using promote2all????????????

I never thought about that. I'm lucky I guess. I never bought the promote2all cause I'm on a budget. Well, it's been out for a few weeks or a month now, and I don't hear anyone talking about how it is such a fantastic tool. I started noticing people in my group who bought it were not saying much about it afterwards. I think one person found an interested person, but whether or not they signed on I do not know.

Still, I feel like an idiot.

The only one that has rolled to make some big money is Mark Petchel.

And his big business associates. There will be people who make big money. Maybe even more than an average MLM company would. But in the end the percentages will still show few will do well.

[buzzirk]

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[How Come?]

This online golf game was carried by another company, called Your Money Machine Success System" (YMMSS), which changed to Success Through Advertising, or STA.

I believe someone at another website said you can link from the old YMMSS site directly to goldenfairway (the new golf link). Is their a link? Also, are there proof or links to more information on this? I'm not quite understanding why MVP would be associated or whatever with YMMSS when I believe the famous Ponzi guy was associated with YMMSS.

[Kristi]

Hi,
I'm a member of both Bizbuzz and Country Club. Neither one is a scam.

People are making money-good money.

There is no cost to joining Bizbuzz unless you want to upgrade for only
a one-time fee of $99.

The cost to join the Country Club is only $99 with the agreement to purchase one CD to promote with for only $19.95 per month. It's very reasonable.

How can I prove these are not scams? Easy.

Why would major Fortune 500 Companies like Fedex, McDonalds, Sony,
GM, American Airlines, Jaguar, and a several dozen more big names
like that sink millions of advertising dollars into an online gaming system scam?

That's exactly what's going on.

The Opportunity Show is airing on Fox News. It's all about the Country Club Biz.

See? No ads. Just good info so that you can make an intelligent decision.

Thanks for reading,

Kristi Sayles

[How Come?]

It is staggering the amount of muck they have on YMMSS over at matrixwatch.org.