The truth - Ethos FR - FFi - Bioperformance - or - Enviro-max which is better?

[Just Wondering]

Ethos FR , FFi , Bioperformance , or Enviro-Max.
Which is better?
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Ok Folks Let's Get Down To The Truth.

Well all know that consumers are sick and tired of paying high gas prices at the pump,
and we're all looking for ways to save money on gas and reduce pollution when we can.
The only question is, which company or product is the best out there?
And do their products really work? Here are some Big players.

#1) Ethos FR - #2) FFi - #3) Bioperformance - and - #4) Enviro-Max

The question is, which is better? Which product really works?

I only want Facts - Verifiable Facts and *****ful Validations - NO HYPE!

I need your input to find out which product is better,
what really works and what's a scam.

So far, from what I've heard and from the research I have done,
Ethos FR is the real deal.

What do you think? Is Ethos FR a Deal or a Dud?

The FOX NBC NEWS website provides a lot of good information
on Ethos FR here is the site link : www.FoxNBCnews.com

www.FoxNBCnews.com


Ethos Corporate site is www.Ethosfr.com

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

Originally Posted by ocloren

Yes, I agree.

I've read a lot of articles, posted on forums and blogs.

People that use the BioPerformance Pill go back and forth. Some people have success, others do not.

However, those that use Ethos have seemed to mainly say positive things.

I'm into Ethos as a business and customer.

Those that want a business which deals with a product that can and will help people save money on gas, maintenance, and performance, this is for you.

This is much better than the "Gas Pills" and is so safe, you can personally consume it. Go try that with the pill and you'll be sorry.

www.4-corp.com
.

And so where did you get the product to try since no one has received any product yet? I research them all, and FuelZone is the old name of Ethos, and it did reduce emissions, as the all do, but the savings were 11% on my Ford F250 deisel with FuelZone which I am told is same exact product. Time will tell, but with all the BS hype being thrown about, like sales of $100M, it is all lies, so I know which company I would not be using.

[branchb]

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE
ON YOUR TEAM 06/16/2006
4-Ecorp "Proof of SCAM" 5000 Caller Capability
7 PM Eastern or 4 PM Pacific
Conference call lines: 212-990-8000 or 646-519-5860
If you can not get on one try the other...
Your Pin Code is : 7 7 7 7 #
There will be a 5000 line conference call today to put an end to the double talking 4-Ecorp Management Team... On this call there will be undeniable proof of everything that has been said about Enrique, Shane McGuire, Dan Atkinson and Daniel Chattin

From Dan Atkinson Vice President of 4-Ecorp Called Phil Piccolo at His Home and
on Speaker Phone in front of Witnesses said Quote "Phil Piccolo you are A Dead Man"

HUNDREDS of you have e-mailed Phil Piccolo to inquire into a Class Action Law Suit against
Enrique and his so called $150,000,000 a year business, 4-Ecorp and there $100,000 a month
Management Earners... we are seeking legal answers for you from a very prominent Law Firm...
If you wish to be updated on such Legal Information once we find it out e-mail D1280X@msn.com
and put in the subject line CLASS ACTION SUIT...

OH did you hear THE RUMOR that bottles are EXPLODING IN THE HEAT...
That should be fun with JULY and AUGUST coming up...

We have 100's of complaints that 4-Ecorp took 2 check drafts from peoples accounts
They took a $399 check for the product and on their own decided if a person
paid check number 428 for $399 they could just draft 428A for $25 with no permission

Next issue is WHERE IS MY PRODUCT
Paid in APRIL - NO PRODUCTS YET
Paid in 1st week of May - NO PRODUCTS YET

WOW... all this name calling...

All Phil Piccolo did was put together an e-mail that took two days to write...
Went over it... got the time lines... prayed about it... made sure to read it
many times to make sure all was true... Then he pressed send...

Today's Series of Events 6/15/2006

First: Dan Chattin calls and says Phil Piccolo ruined him. Quote
"My partners never knew I was coming out to Florida... I am ruined"

Next: Dan Atkinson Quote "Phil Piccolo how stupid a man are you
- You are a DEAD MAN - Watch Your Back"

Next: On their conference calls they slammed Phil Piccolo and they are sending
out old garbage that one broke musician from Minnesota who has gone Bankrupt
twice and wiped out an 8 million dollar slander Judgement that has said bad things
about every single Million Dollar Earner in Network Marketing History...

This one BROKE MUSICIAN has called Phil Piccolo The one man Internet Crime Machine.
However does not show any evidence of the accusations...
Plus he has a disclaimer on his site that says this is all in Parody...

LOOK Phil is no saint and has made mistakes and this is not one of them...
This is not about Phil Piccolo and his Good or Bad reputation.
This is about 15,000 people buying a product that we have all been deceived about.
We have been deceived about the TESTING, Deceived about Enrique, Deceived about 4-Ecorp
Management and Deceived about The Compensation Plan which got changed after 30,000 people got in to give 4-Ecorp more Breakage...

This is not about competition from another company...
aaTCM has grown way past the success of 4-Ecorp prior to any and all of this happening...
Phil has earned more in the last 5 weeks than 4-Ecorp has paid out to their whole company...
Phil did not do this to sponsor more people...

Next: Daniel Chattin tells his best friend Rick Garland he is going to The FBI because
Phil Piccolo mentioned concrete shoes. And he now fears for his life....

Now let's check out this scene in Dan Chattin's life...
Phil Piccolo is driving Dan back to the airport and Rick Garland is on Phil's speaker phone in the car.
Phil tells Rick to congratulate Dan since he has accepted the CEO position and shook hands on it.
At the same time Phil's cell phone rings and it is Richard Skaggs the President of OMSTAR D-1280X
and Phil excitingly tells Richard we have a NEW CEO... With Richard and Rick both on Speaker Phones.
Richard Skaggs says congratulations is it all a done deal... Phil responds yes it is 100%...
Richard says so we have a concrete deal and Phil says yep... concrete deal or concrete shoes...
and EVERYONE LAUGHED... Dan, Phil, Richard and Rick all joking and laughing...

Now we here Dan Chattin is filing an FBI Report because he is scared of what Phil Piccolo
will do now that he has not accepted the CEO Position... Quote to Rick... I am in fear for my life...
don't you remember what Phil said about CONCRETE SHOES...
I need to file a complaint with my brother-in-law who is an FBI Agent...

Maybe Dan Chattin should remind the FBI of who he is in reference to the situation...
with some Indian Tribe being defrauded of Millions...
Rumor has it that he was or still is part of some kind of FBI investigation...

OK... HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

Enrique if you have Test from EPA APPROVED LABS
which is right on the front of your new site for 4-Ecorp
JUST show us the proof on your Website

If you went to Harvard as was claimed and got a DEGREE
Put it on the Website... Did you now say at the meeting it
was in Economics or was it in HOME ECONOMICS..
Like a Cooking class...

Dan Atkinson just produce copies of your last 6 months checks
and put them on the website. Your CORPORATE BROCURE says
you have earned $100,000 a month...Stop talking about Phil Piccolo and
JUST SHOW US THE MONEY...

Dan is The Caddilac Escalade you are driving belong to Daniel Chattin
JUST ANSER THE QUESTION Mr Corporate Brocure $100,000 a month EARNER for 20 YEARS...

Daniel Chattin just show how much of the ALMOST 6 MILLION dollars
went to COMMISSIONS... you all say more than 50%... Just PROVE IT

Daniel, Shane and Dan did you take $100,000 each out when
HALF THE PEOPLE did not even get their PRODUCTS YET...
YES OR NO...

PLEASE EVERYONE THIS IS NOT ABOUT Phil PICCOLO
He does not have 15,000 or so orders of YOUR MONEY...
He has not done the conference calls and listed
10 GREAT REASONS to Join 4-E of which 9 cannot be proven
He did not just take in SIX MILLION DOLLARS OF YOUR MONEY
and in MANY CASES NOT DELIVER THE PRODUCT...

We are sure that Florida, Texas, California and Michigan State Attorneys Office
Would love to hear about another Gas Additive Company that is taking money
and not delivering the products for most as of yet...

Please if you have any information about any of these men now or in past
dealings please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line INFORMATION

If your check has been cashed and it has been weeks with no product
please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line NO PRODUCT

If you were one of the people who got two checks out of your account like
my 77 year old mom without her permission
please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line CHECK FRAUD

[Unlucky36]

They're scams! Run from them!

[branchb]

I need my previous post deleted. Who do I need to speak to about that? I was in a hurry, and now realized my post was in error.

[mill]

Originally Posted by branchb

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE
ON YOUR TEAM 06/16/2006
4-Ecorp "Proof of SCAM" 5000 Caller Capability
7 PM Eastern or 4 PM Pacific
Conference call lines: 212-990-8000 or 646-519-5860
If you can not get on one try the other...
Your Pin Code is : 7 7 7 7 #
There will be a 5000 line conference call today to put an end to the double talking 4-Ecorp Management Team... On this call there will be undeniable proof of everything that has been said about Enrique, Shane McGuire, Dan Atkinson and Daniel Chattin

From Dan Atkinson Vice President of 4-Ecorp Called Phil Piccolo at His Home and
on Speaker Phone in front of Witnesses said Quote "Phil Piccolo you are A Dead Man"

HUNDREDS of you have e-mailed Phil Piccolo to inquire into a Class Action Law Suit against
Enrique and his so called $150,000,000 a year business, 4-Ecorp and there $100,000 a month
Management Earners... we are seeking legal answers for you from a very prominent Law Firm...
If you wish to be updated on such Legal Information once we find it out e-mail D1280X@msn.com
and put in the subject line CLASS ACTION SUIT...

OH did you hear THE RUMOR that bottles are EXPLODING IN THE HEAT...
That should be fun with JULY and AUGUST coming up...

We have 100's of complaints that 4-Ecorp took 2 check drafts from peoples accounts
They took a $399 check for the product and on their own decided if a person
paid check number 428 for $399 they could just draft 428A for $25 with no permission

Next issue is WHERE IS MY PRODUCT
Paid in APRIL - NO PRODUCTS YET
Paid in 1st week of May - NO PRODUCTS YET

WOW... all this name calling...

All Phil Piccolo did was put together an e-mail that took two days to write...
Went over it... got the time lines... prayed about it... made sure to read it
many times to make sure all was true... Then he pressed send...

Today's Series of Events 6/15/2006

First: Dan Chattin calls and says Phil Piccolo ruined him. Quote
"My partners never knew I was coming out to Florida... I am ruined"

Next: Dan Atkinson Quote "Phil Piccolo how stupid a man are you
- You are a DEAD MAN - Watch Your Back"

Next: On their conference calls they slammed Phil Piccolo and they are sending
out old garbage that one broke musician from Minnesota who has gone Bankrupt
twice and wiped out an 8 million dollar slander Judgement that has said bad things
about every single Million Dollar Earner in Network Marketing History...

This one BROKE MUSICIAN has called Phil Piccolo The one man Internet Crime Machine.
However does not show any evidence of the accusations...
Plus he has a disclaimer on his site that says this is all in Parody...

LOOK Phil is no saint and has made mistakes and this is not one of them...
This is not about Phil Piccolo and his Good or Bad reputation.
This is about 15,000 people buying a product that we have all been deceived about.
We have been deceived about the TESTING, Deceived about Enrique, Deceived about 4-Ecorp
Management and Deceived about The Compensation Plan which got changed after 30,000 people got in to give 4-Ecorp more Breakage...

This is not about competition from another company...
aaTCM has grown way past the success of 4-Ecorp prior to any and all of this happening...
Phil has earned more in the last 5 weeks than 4-Ecorp has paid out to their whole company...
Phil did not do this to sponsor more people...

Next: Daniel Chattin tells his best friend Rick Garland he is going to The FBI because
Phil Piccolo mentioned concrete shoes. And he now fears for his life....

Now let's check out this scene in Dan Chattin's life...
Phil Piccolo is driving Dan back to the airport and Rick Garland is on Phil's speaker phone in the car.
Phil tells Rick to congratulate Dan since he has accepted the CEO position and shook hands on it.
At the same time Phil's cell phone rings and it is Richard Skaggs the President of OMSTAR D-1280X
and Phil excitingly tells Richard we have a NEW CEO... With Richard and Rick both on Speaker Phones.
Richard Skaggs says congratulations is it all a done deal... Phil responds yes it is 100%...
Richard says so we have a concrete deal and Phil says yep... concrete deal or concrete shoes...
and EVERYONE LAUGHED... Dan, Phil, Richard and Rick all joking and laughing...

Now we here Dan Chattin is filing an FBI Report because he is scared of what Phil Piccolo
will do now that he has not accepted the CEO Position... Quote to Rick... I am in fear for my life...
don't you remember what Phil said about CONCRETE SHOES...
I need to file a complaint with my brother-in-law who is an FBI Agent...

Maybe Dan Chattin should remind the FBI of who he is in reference to the situation...
with some Indian Tribe being defrauded of Millions...
Rumor has it that he was or still is part of some kind of FBI investigation...

OK... HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

Enrique if you have Test from EPA APPROVED LABS
which is right on the front of your new site for 4-Ecorp
JUST show us the proof on your Website

If you went to Harvard as was claimed and got a DEGREE
Put it on the Website... Did you now say at the meeting it
was in Economics or was it in HOME ECONOMICS..
Like a Cooking class...

Dan Atkinson just produce copies of your last 6 months checks
and put them on the website. Your CORPORATE BROCURE says
you have earned $100,000 a month...Stop talking about Phil Piccolo and
JUST SHOW US THE MONEY...

Dan is The Caddilac Escalade you are driving belong to Daniel Chattin
JUST ANSER THE QUESTION Mr Corporate Brocure $100,000 a month EARNER for 20 YEARS...

Daniel Chattin just show how much of the ALMOST 6 MILLION dollars
went to COMMISSIONS... you all say more than 50%... Just PROVE IT

Daniel, Shane and Dan did you take $100,000 each out when
HALF THE PEOPLE did not even get their PRODUCTS YET...
YES OR NO...

PLEASE EVERYONE THIS IS NOT ABOUT Phil PICCOLO
He does not have 15,000 or so orders of YOUR MONEY...
He has not done the conference calls and listed
10 GREAT REASONS to Join 4-E of which 9 cannot be proven
He did not just take in SIX MILLION DOLLARS OF YOUR MONEY
and in MANY CASES NOT DELIVER THE PRODUCT...

We are sure that Florida, Texas, California and Michigan State Attorneys Office
Would love to hear about another Gas Additive Company that is taking money
and not delivering the products for most as of yet...

Please if you have any information about any of these men now or in past
dealings please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line INFORMATION

If your check has been cashed and it has been weeks with no product
please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line NO PRODUCT

If you were one of the people who got two checks out of your account like
my 77 year old mom without her permission
please send it to d1280x@msn.com
put in the subject line CHECK FRAUD

I have to really laugh at this one.

That SPAM was sent out by Phil Piccolo aka Johnny D'Angelo because he was fuming angry at being kicked out of yet another network marketing company. This isn't the first time he was kicked out and it certainly won't be the last.
Please don't post crap SPAMMED out by a proven historical crook like Phil Piccolo. And don't email Phil Piccolo either, it's his scheme to catch your email address for future. And class action lawsuit? Over what? He himself is peddling an old Ethos formulation while currently trashing Ethos. Let's at least entertain stuff from someone who is at least SANE.

[WhistleBlower]

a little on AATCM...

I would like to expose the "reasoning" behind them NOT ALLOWING THE BINARY TO START JUST YET.

In almost 50 days of business they have "BOASTED" about having 40-50-60,000, and now 80,000 distributors now in such short time. First of all that is not true. A free signup doesn't mean its a paying distributor. This in and of itself is a scam. In fact, this is the second scam done by AATCM. Let me explain their first scam.

They've been going for thirty-something days now and have NOT allowed the binary to open. What does that mean when it comes to Money? HUGE COMMISSIONS back to the company. Let me explain.

If all they allow you to do is build one leg and keep you from building on the other side they have you putting all your key contacts in on the team leg or ***** leg and the scam is that you will likely NEVER catch up to the ***** leg and the only true benefit is matching bonuses, which is a scam too because those contacts you put in -in order to get matching bonuses from them they have to build THEIR INSIDE LEGS TOO....AND THEY CAN'T YET. What does all that mean? It means that the company is eating up networkers all over the world FIRST so when you go to build up your weak leg ... a. all the big networkers are likely taken and b. the company gets to FEAST on all the binary volume commission because "you haven't caught up on your weak leg yet." In fact, YOU WILL NEVER CATCH UP TO IT AND THEY KNOW IT, AND THAT BASICALLY TRANSLATES TO, "THE COMPANY IS GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF YOU THAN YOUR WHOLE TEAM COULD EVER MAKE. It's just a scam.

Oh yeah, let's look at what they wrote in their latest email, "So keep the faith on when it opens and let's leave it at that." What?

OH MY GOSH. IF THAT DOESN'T SMELL SCAMMISH THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES. This company is smart from a company stand point though. Let's face it ....get in everyone on a *****leg...they'll never catch up to it....we can feast off the binary volume on the 80,000 member *****leg....they will never catch up.....ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

Well guess what? True networkers smell a rat and we're not STUPID. You go ahead and join and do it, and AATCM will make more money off you than you've ever made in your LIFETIME!!!!! They're laughing all the way to the bank.

What a joke!

By the way. FFI is LIGHT YEARS ahead of all the other companies.

The Whistle Blower

[SuperSaber]

As far as testing Ehos how could they scam Fox News who ran thier own independent test,can anyone explian this to me.

Emmision any time you lower emmision you are burning less fuel, now I did see on the emmision test that it did lower emmision. Are you saying that this is a set up to. Making the claim that the US Army is using the product, well now that takes brass balls if indeed they are not using the product.

Also saying EPA appoved, again that is a marketing no no if it is not true, yet they make the claim.

The problem with 4Ecorp, they have a good product but jump the gun before they ironed out all the "small" stuff.

From the above blog, the management and marketing team are a bunch of rookies, that have something that will make a buck, but they all want to be CEO's and make a big score with out doing thier home work.

As far as dipping into peoples cking accounts with out any product to del. tells me that overhead is over the revenue intake.

My gut feeling is the inventor is being taken for a hype ride in the snow! If that is the case than this product is doomed! Just from all the "bad mouthing" it is getting.

It comes down to it is not what the company says or claims it how it preforms, which is now poorly. If all above is true!

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

Funny, sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. LOL

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

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[Floweka]

I believe the best is not on your list. Of course, Ethos, BP & Enviro-Max may not agree, but thanks for hearing me out.

The name is *****PlusMPG. See [the mean mod removed my spam]. This company is a subsidiary of DreamLife Products, LLC--a 10 year old, successful MLM company with 4 million active distributors and customers world-wide.
1) The owner, Brent Holland, became a self-made millionaire at the age of 19.
2) The company has had a Toll Free number for its 10 year existence and is comitted to always being easily accessible to its reps and customers.
3) This is (as far as I know) the only company with 50% & 100% matching bonuses on a binary compensation plan. There is no flushing.
4) The product is received 2 to 3 days after the order is placed!
5) The owner has an excellent relationship with our Governor (this statement is not meant to imply endorsement of our product).
6) The field testing for the Liquid has shown up to and on some ocassions over a 45% increase in gas mileage. I personally got an extra 80 miles on my second tank of gas. I drive a 99 Mazda Millenia--this was before the liquid!
7) The owner has just paid for an independent study to verify the extraordinary results we've seen.
8) One of the premiere scientists (and his team) has signed a 20 year contract to only produce products and do research for our company! Dr. Kent Smith, the director of Petroleum Fuel Combustion Engineering Inc., a petroleum fuel consultancy, was active in this original research at YUKOS. The mission of PFCE Inc. is to take laboratory research and convert it into “real world” technology. It is the culmination of this Russian research that is embodied in ***** Plus MPG. See the Web-Site ([removed by mod]) for more information; I'm sure I have messed up something.
9) There is less than 4000 distributors in *****PlusMPG. The liquid just came out. The liquid is already selling like wild-fire. The Parent Company hasn't even advertised *****PlusMPG to its 4 million customers and distributors yet. Anyone who joins this company could realize an opportunity of a lifetime!
10) Sorry, but it is still hard work to build any business (including a MLM biz). This business, however, has an incredibly easy product to market. Who doesn't want to save money on their fuel cost?

One of the largest construction companies in our area uses the product in all of its vehicles and machinery. D&J Construction just reported a 50% increase in mileage on their diesels. I know it's hard to believe, but I can put you intouch with them or their upline if you need proof. They just purchased a 10,000 gallon tank so they can easily fuel all of their vehicles with *****Plus treated gas.

I know that I haven't convinced everyone, but this is incredible! Sorry for the long post. Tell me what you think [and removed even more spam]. Regardless of your chosen business, I wish you success. Please keep an eye out for us. Thanks.

[dr poormouth]

The Doctor's Rastafarian chickens are Riiillly p***d off now!!!
That napthalene enema has put IBobRhodeIslandRedare on I warpath for gaspillz
hucksters!
Bloodclot!!!

Originally Posted by scambuster
OK...when somebody throws a rod through his hood because of this stuff, let me know!

Happened to the doctor just the other day.
Some eedjit snuck up an' put one o' them pillz in the doc's car.
Now, the doc don't use his gas tank, (I've hired my neighbor's Rastafarian chickens to crap straight into the carburetor), so when this pill vaporized, the car backfired, and blew a jet o' napthalene straight up the chicken's keester.
He came flyin' back in the doctor's face, all mad and burned, and in fending him off with a handy walking stick, a wild swipe put said stick thru the windshield, and embedded it in the hood of the doctor's Big Ass Caddy.

Washington Post had an article recently. "No Secrets, Just Scams"

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

Interesting,

Another newcomer to the world of MLM. I hope this does not have the same fate as YUKOS OIL did. (g)

Good luck to all,

[borisf96]

This is intresting thread. Scammers are trying to convince each other that their scam is better. Good luck.

[bizopca]

I believe that they are actually trying to convince themselves.

[RXP-Generation-II]

Originally Posted by bizopca

I believe that they are actually trying to convince themselves.

Tried them all and ended up sticking with the old reliable RXP that has been available for decades. Always nice to think that there might be something come along that works a little better, but nothing has measured up so far except the latest formula of RXP, RXP Generation II.

[HbbnInc]

Originally Posted by Floweka

I believe the best is not on your list. Of course, Ethos, BP & Enviro-Max may not agree, but thanks for hearing me out.

The name is *****PlusMPG.

You posted this in April - are you still happy with the product? And have you sold the product to others that are also happy with it?

Here is my testimonial with EthosFR...sorry, those that for whatever reason like this product.

EthosFR is JUNK, in my HUMBLE opinion - yes, it's just my opinion. I put this product in two of my vehicles. One has over 100,000 miles on it, the other just over 70,000. I put the product in exactly as described on the bottle. (I will not get into the major inconsistencies that have occured on the E4 company update calls...this was one of their "on-the-fly-changes" where suddenly we're supposed to put in WAY more for the first SEVERAL tanks - yeah, right - more money in their pockets). I have put both cars through FIVE (5) tankfulls - each time carefully recording the mpg's. I would top off the tank each time - the AC was run all the way through all 10 tanks (between both cars) and the driving habits were the same. One car does a mixture of city/highway, the other is about 95% highway.

Results: NOT ONE SINGLE PENNY of savings. I did not save even 1/2 mile per gallon - I am talking, ZERO. I might as well put in Pepto Bismol to help the "GAS" (sorry, a little humor there)! Furthermore, I have an adult Nephew that has run it through two of his vehicles - one an OLD car, the other a motorcycle...same thing, folks NO help whatsoever.

Just TRY to get your money back from E4 - good luck. I've filed complaints with several agencies.

BTW, I wouldn't go around touting Phil Piccalo - that guy is a scam artist, too. I am simply sharing what I found with Ethos and am NOT suggesting anyone try Phil's stuff.

However - back to this one. Has anyone tried the *****Plus and had it NOT work? Has anyone tried it and it absolutely DID work (you know because you really do know how to keep careful records of MPG's on your vehicle - not just "hey, I got 50 more miles on this tank of gas" - that can be the result of any number of things).

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

ROUND TWO..........................

Well, as we all know by now, BP is long gone, and if what I am hearing about Ethos is true, looks like they will be the next to be long gone. Looks like the settlement with Onstar is just the tip of the iceburg and Ethos is in a serious cash flow problem with hundreds of refunds going unanwered which now has caused a couple dozen AG's to get involved, and the FTC will be knockin on their door within weeks.

Anyone who listened to leaders conference call will be amazed at the frank discussion on internal fraud, theft, lies and continued BS from owners. Having to use Fathom Production merchant account is just the tip of the iceberg, so stay tuned, this is going to be interesting to see if they can survive.

Privacy-Rights-Army

[Wishyouknew]

Attorney General Abbott Shuts Down Pyramid Scheme That Marketed Bogus Fuel Pill
BioPerformance ordered to return more than $7 million to victims of pyramid scheme

AUSTIN - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott today stopped a Dallas-based pyramid scheme from illegally marketing the so-called "top secret gas pill" that it falsely claimed would increase fuel efficiency in automobiles. The Attorney General's settlement with BioPerformance and its owners, Lowell Mims and Gustavo Romero, prevents the defendants from continuing to deceptively market their products and ends the State's eight-month legal action against the company.

A combination of the defendants' frozen assets and the dissolution of two trusts created by Mims and Romero will provide more than $7 million in compensation to deceived consumers. Mims and Romero may continue to operate any legitimate enterprise, but may not deceptively market BioPerformance pills or similar fuel additive products.

"Swift legal action stopped this cynical, brazen scheme to defraud consumers," said Attorney General Abbott. "With gasoline prices hitting record highs, these defendants aggressively marketed their worthless product as a wonder-cure. Sadly, these do-nothing pills were merely the tools of an elaborate pyramid scheme that enriched the sellers while buyers were left with empty hands and empty wallets."

Attorney General Abbott added: "Texans will not tolerate con artists who prey upon unsuspecting consumers. Though we will continue aggressively cracking down on fraudulent pyramid schemes that profiteer from worthless products, consumers should always be dubious when offered 'miracle' products that are long on hype but short on credible proof."

Last May, the Attorney General filed a lawsuit against BioPerformance that accused the company of violating the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act. According to court filings, BioPerformance repeatedly and falsely claimed that its fuel pills could improve vehicular fuel efficiency by as much as 30 percent while also reducing engine emissions by 50 percent. BioPerformance also sold its fuel additive in powder form.

The Attorney General further alleged that the worthless product, combined with the defendants' downline marketing scheme, constitutes a product-based pyramid scheme, which violates the Texas Pyramid Promotional Scheme statute. By the defendants' own admission, they recruited 50,000 participants within six months of their scheme's inception.

Just months after BioPerformance's creation in 2005, the Office of the Attorney General received reports that Mims and Romero were making false claims about their product.

Appearing before standing-room-only crowds at seminars they organized across the country, Mims and Romero touted their products' capacity to significantly increase fuel efficiency and reduce vehicle emissions. At the seminars, the defendants' true purpose was to recruit product resellers who were charged several hundred dollars to join the scheme. Those newly minted resellers were subsequently instructed to recuit additional resellers and thus create a "downline" from which they could derive commissions.

BioPerformance's extensive Web site made similar unsubstantiated claims about product's capabilities, often referring to it as a "top secret formula" that was only available through company resellers. The site also reiterated defendants' sales pitches, promising potential resellers that selling the pills and recruiting others to do the same would reap them substantial fortunes.

To aid its investigation, the Office of the Attorney General retained respected scientific experts whose chemical analysis not only revealed that the defendants' pills did not significantly reduce fuel consumption, but also exposed naphthalene, a substance also used in moth balls, as their main ingredient. Although the defendants claimed that the pills were "non-toxic," "good for the environment," and "extremely safe...in all aspects of use," naphthalene is a toxin.

The State also determined that BioPerformance resellers credited with recruiting additional downline sellers were paid substantially higher commissions than were those who actually sold the company's products. Such a marketing and recruitment scheme is often indicative of a pyramid scheme.

Further evidence of a pyramid scheme was provided by Romero, the company's Vice President and Co-Founder, who admitted to selling BioPerformance for as much as $50 a bottle, despite its comparatively low $4 manufacturing cost. The defendants' dramatic markup on their worthless product, coupled with their downline marketing strategy, indicate they were organizing an elaborate, illegal, and unsustainable pyramid scheme.



At the end of the Videotaped Press Conference AG Greg Abbot says hopefully this sends a CLEAR message to those who LIE and CHEAT texas consumers.
IF you do so there will be a HIGH price to be paid!

[DRKNLVE]

Can someone give me some information on enviro max? I see it is listed with the EPA. Does that give it any credibility? I have done some research and it sounds good, but I do not want to make any emotional jumps. Thanks.

[ShapeShifter]

Originally Posted by DRKNLVE

Can someone give me some information on enviro max? I see it is listed with the EPA. Does that give it any credibility? I have done some research and it sounds good, but I do not want to make any emotional jumps. Thanks.

My research has shown they are yet another copycat. There is only one that I have found that really does APPEAR have the backing of the original inventor. He's a chemical engineer as well as 4 more advanced degrees...I've heard the man speak, I've researched from a non-biased, third-party source and he's legit. Of course the testimonials never end so to be safe I'm trying the product myself but don't have enough data to tell you my personal results yet.

If you want to chat more about it you're welcome to email me. Or we can chat via IM - your choice. I have several Instant Messenger accounts...AIM, Yahoo are the 2 I use the most. I'd love to chat and compare notes on what research you've done and what you've found.

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

Update:

Well, since this thread has been dead for months, it is pretty obvious that all these products have limited advantages given the higher prices of fuel should have been enough to keep this topic moving.

My own experience says they all have some benefit, but not what is promoted in most cases. No doubt, most people will see some results depending on their engine condition and driving patterns, but most people will discover that once their valve trains and cylinder heads carbon build up is cleaned, they will continue to see improved MPG and performance.

Having researched them all, and having fuel monitor computer on my vehicles, I saw an improvement after the first several tanks, so knowing carbon build up robs performance and impacts our fuel consumption, it is a good product, but most will only need to use it once every four tanks, not in every tank as companies obviously promote. Once your engine is clean, you don't need to use these products in every tank, so save your money, but a clean engine is important, so it all depends on your driving pattern.

[DABNE]

from personal experience I can say that ETHOSFR is not a scam because I tried & tested it. HOWEVER, they are conveniently with holding information about the product that in my opinion, is misrepresenting the results.

I tested it in my 1999 Toyota Sienna Van and also in my wife's 1992 Toyota Camry and in both cases the MPG dropped by 1.5 to 2 MPG.

I was quite upset about this so after repeated insistent emails, this is the reply I got.

"I apologize that nobody has answered your inquiries.
This is the first time I have seen your inquiry.

As you may be aware, results from the product can vary from vehicle to vehicle.
In some cases, it may take a few months to see the proper results. In addition, it can be common to see a drop in mileage as the esters break away carbon deposits in the engine. These deposits break away from the engine and may become lodged in the fuel and or oil filter. These would need to be changed.
If the vehicle the product is being used in is a newer one, then you may see less dramatic results than in a vehicle with more miles on it. However you are still reducing emissions and protecting the engine.

Please call customer support with any further questions:
916-878-3300

Thank-you,
Jim Stuhr
Customer Service Manager"

You won't find any of that information in their promotional hype. Sure, I may be reducing my emissions but, I am burning more gasoline, (wasting fuel) to do it.

Now, in my van, I did see a good increase in my highway mileage but, I do 90% local driving so I am not likely to get it back with mileage averaging.

Oh ya, and how do the "carbon deposits" get into my fuel filter? There from the engine, not the gasoline.

Well, here I am waiting for my engine to carbon up again so I can get my old MPG back again. I stopped using ETHOS FR because they misrepresented their product.

[FTC-SCAMS.COM]

With my ongoing testing of these products on several vehicles, you will see some small improvements intitially on most vehicles, but like with every one I have tried, the benefits are marginal once your internal valve train and ijectors are cleaned of carbon buildup. Most cars will run better when cleaned which most of these products do, but using them once every few months is all you need to keep engine clean. so save your money, you don't need to put product in tank on every fill up.

[EngineerI]

I have been using EthosFr in my carburetor model Toyota Corolla for about 2 full years. I have both positive and negative comments about buying this product.

Positive- The Product has had outstanding results with my older model car, and I performed about 16 mileage tests.

(1) Before Ethos- 24 city/ 26 highway (Carburetor missing at redlights)

(2) After 3 weeks- 26 city/ 28 highway, using 1 oz per 8 gal.

(3) After 6 weeks- 28 city/ 30 highway, using 1 oz. per 4 gal, and only filling up gas when half tank or better. (Carb. quit missing)

(4) Quit using EthosFR for 4 weeks- 25 city/ 27 highway

(5) Weeks 11 to 104- 28 city/ 30 highway, one (highway only) driving test yielded 39.9 MPG! Also, My AT would not go in reverse- about 2 oz. of EthosFr fixed this too.

Negatives-

(1) Since I did not want to join the MLM plan, as a sales rep., I have to pay a higher price for this great product.
(2) Price of product went up since MLM took over sales.
(3) No Internet site link from EthosFR web page- hard to find sales web page. (It's like this product is a secret).
(4) EthosFr is not sold in auto parts stores- wish it was- since earnings look quite deteriorating for this company, and the company may not be a going concern at the current rate. They need to change there corporate plans for this fast selling product, and show positive earnings to keep EthosFR alive.

[skyvoyager]

Originally Posted by EngineerI

I have been using EthosFr in my carburetor model Toyota Corolla for about 2 full years. I have both positive and negative comments about buying this product.

Positive- The Product has had outstanding results with my older model car, and I performed about 16 mileage tests.

(1) Before Ethos- 24 city/ 26 highway (Carburetor missing at redlights)

(2) After 3 weeks- 26 city/ 28 highway, using 1 oz per 8 gal.

(3) After 6 weeks- 28 city/ 30 highway, using 1 oz. per 4 gal, and only filling up gas when half tank or better. (Carb. quit missing)

(4) Quit using EthosFR for 4 weeks- 25 city/ 27 highway

(5) Weeks 11 to 104- 28 city/ 30 highway, one (highway only) driving test yielded 39.9 MPG! Also, My AT would not go in reverse- about 2 oz. of EthosFr fixed this too.

Negatives-

(1) Since I did not want to join the MLM plan, as a sales rep., I have to pay a higher price for this great product.
(2) Price of product went up since MLM took over sales.
(3) No Internet site link from EthosFR web page- hard to find sales web page. (It's like this product is a secret).
(4) EthosFr is not sold in auto parts stores- wish it was- since earnings look quite deteriorating for this company, and the company may not be a going concern at the current rate. They need to change there corporate plans for this fast selling product, and show positive earnings to keep EthosFR alive.

I HEREBY CALL ON ALL STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS TO IMMEDIATELY PUT A STOP TO THE ANECDOTAL CLAIMS OF MILEAGE BOOSTING BENEFITS UNTIL THESE COMPANIES HAVE THEIR PRODUCTS SCIENTIFICALLY EVALUATED IN ONE OR MORE INDEPENDENT AUTOMOTIVE TESTING CENTERS. THEIR BENEFITS --OR LACK THEREOF-- CAN EASILY AND IMMEDIATELY BE PROVEN (OR DISCOUNTED) THEREBY REMOVING ALL DOUBT.

I FURTHER CALL ON ALL STATE LEGISLATURES TO ENACT LAWS REGULATING THE USE OF ANECDOTAL TESTIMONIES BY MLM MEMBERS ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMPANY IN EVERY CASE WHERE A LEGITIMATE, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEABLE RESULT IS POSSIBLE.

ANECDOTAL TESTIMONIES BY MLM MEMBERS --ALL OF WHOM STAND TO BENEFIT FINANCIALLY FROM HYPING THESE PRODUCTS-- IS TANTAMOUNT TO ALLOWING THESE COMPANIES (WHO COACH AND ENCOURAGE THEIR MEMBERSHIP TO ACT AS SURROGATES ON THEIR BEHALF) IN A CALCULATED PLAN TO DECEIVE THE PUBLIC. IF PROOF OF BENEFITS EXIST THEN REQUIRE THE COMPANY TO OFFICIALLY MAKE THE CLAIMS AND BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEM.

THIS SORT OF REPREHENSIBLE, UNREGULATED BEHAVIOR IS HIGHLY DAMAGING TO A DESPERATE AND UNINFORMED PUBLIC. IT IS NO LESS CRIMINAL THAN THE RAMPANT ABUSES BY PRACTICED BY CORPORATE AMERICA WHICH RESULTED IN THE PASSAGE OF THE "SARBANES-OXLEY ACT" IN 2002."

PLEASE ENFORCE THE "DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICES ACT" IN YOUR STATE AND GRANT YOUR CITIZENS PROTECTION FROM THIS ENDLESS CYCLE OF ABUSE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act

[fueleconomytoday]

I not know about you but I have treated my 2001 Suburban and have done 5 tanks and have gone from 13.4 MPG to 17.6 MPG... The first tank I only got 14.5 MPG but starting with the second through the 5th, I got from 17.3 - 18.9 MPG... I took the average of all tanks to get the 17.6 MPG...

I also treated my 2006 Mercedes diesel and got about a 10% increase there. I am on my 4th tank on that vehicle...

As far as emissions, both have gotten reductions of CO and hydrocarbon in lines with the statements of the company...

Originally Posted by DABNE

from personal experience I can say that ETHOSFR is not a scam because I tried & tested it. HOWEVER, they are conveniently with holding information about the product that in my opinion, is misrepresenting the results.

I tested it in my 1999 Toyota Sienna Van and also in my wife's 1992 Toyota Camry and in both cases the MPG dropped by 1.5 to 2 MPG.

I was quite upset about this so after repeated insistent emails, this is the reply I got.

"I apologize that nobody has answered your inquiries.
This is the first time I have seen your inquiry.

As you may be aware, results from the product can vary from vehicle to vehicle.
In some cases, it may take a few months to see the proper results. In addition, it can be common to see a drop in mileage as the esters break away carbon deposits in the engine. These deposits break away from the engine and may become lodged in the fuel and or oil filter. These would need to be changed.
If the vehicle the product is being used in is a newer one, then you may see less dramatic results than in a vehicle with more miles on it. However you are still reducing emissions and protecting the engine.

Please call customer support with any further questions:
916-878-3300

Thank-you,
Jim Stuhr
Customer Service Manager"

You won't find any of that information in their promotional hype. Sure, I may be reducing my emissions but, I am burning more gasoline, (wasting fuel) to do it.

Now, in my van, I did see a good increase in my highway mileage but, I do 90% local driving so I am not likely to get it back with mileage averaging.

Oh ya, and how do the "carbon deposits" get into my fuel filter? There from the engine, not the gasoline.

Well, here I am waiting for my engine to carbon up again so I can get my old MPG back again. I stopped using ETHOS FR because they misrepresented their product.

[superguy]

I know nothing about this product, but I can tell you this. I have been involved with ***** Ellins and Amy Black in the past. For 4 years I was part of the company they owned. They are a dangerous mixture of dishonesty, pride and buffoonery. They destroyed the last company they were part of. I would NEVER touch anything they were involved in. Buyer beware!!!

[RemoteVwr]

Here is another anecdotal report on Ethos FR, at the risk of annoying SkyVoyager.

Let me qualify myself by saying I am NOT a distributor or MLM member or whatever they are calling the sales arm for Ethos. I hate MLM!! And I have absolutely nothing to gain financially by posting this.

I first heard of Ethos on a site which was discussing how to save on gas, and decided to try it. I did NOT follow the initial instructions, but just started putting one ounce per 10 gallons of fuel in my 98 Hyundai Accent GL, which had at the time about 95K miles on it. I also have never yet put any in the crankcase, since I use Mobil Delvac 15/40 (the "Million Mile Oil") and do not change it very often.

In two or three tanks of gas, my mileage on the highway (the only time I keep track of it) went from 31.5 mpg to 41.6 mpg. I have to add that I use a lot of driving tricks to save on gas, which is why I was getting 31.5 mpg in the first place, but I did NOT change anything about how I drive when I started adding the Ethos.

To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. I hope it will continue to be available. I just wrote to my source and ordered a gallon and another dispenser bottle so I can use it in my truck too.

regards

[skyvoyager]

Originally Posted by RemoteVwr

Here is another anecdotal report on Ethos FR, at the risk of annoying SkyVoyager.

Let me qualify myself by saying I am NOT a distributor or MLM member or whatever they are calling the sales arm for Ethos. I hate MLM!! And I have absolutely nothing to gain financially by posting this.

I first heard of Ethos on a site which was discussing how to save on gas, and decided to try it. I did NOT follow the initial instructions, but just started putting one ounce per 10 gallons of fuel in my 98 Hyundai Accent GL, which had at the time about 95K miles on it. I also have never yet put any in the crankcase, since I use Mobil Delvac 15/40 (the "Million Mile Oil") and do not change it very often.

In two or three tanks of gas, my mileage on the highway (the only time I keep track of it) went from 31.5 mpg to 41.6 mpg. I have to add that I use a lot of driving tricks to save on gas, which is why I was getting 31.5 mpg in the first place, but I did NOT change anything about how I drive when I started adding the Ethos.

To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. I hope it will continue to be available. I just wrote to my source and ordered a gallon and another dispenser bottle so I can use it in my truck too.

regards

Faith healers and witch doctors work just as well.

[Ryan31]

All these talks about which is better. You actually don't have there the best of all! [link removed by mod] product has been patented and tested for more than 22 years. Only being sold to industrial companies before in a 55 gallon drums, only now been released to the general public in smaller bottles because they saw the need of regular consumers. I have been using the product for a month now, referred to me by a friend. I am getting 80 miles extra per tank on my car, which is equivalent to about $12 savings per tank. I am unable to put gas anymore without Syntek!! 1/4 ounce treats up to 20 gallons of gas, not like those other products which has too much liquid in it that could hurt your engine overtime. Try it I believe the company gives a 30days money back gaurantee!

[LuvNLife]

Originally Posted by Ryan31

All these talks about which is better. You actually don't have there the best of all! [link removed] product has been patented and tested for more than 22 years. Only being sold to industrial companies before in a 55 gallon drums, only now been released to the general public in smaller bottles because they saw the need of regular consumers. I have been using the product for a month now, referred to me by a friend. I am getting 80 miles extra per tank on my car, which is equivalent to about $12 savings per tank. I am unable to put gas anymore without Syntek!! 1/4 ounce treats up to 20 gallons of gas, not like those other products which has too much liquid in it that could hurt your engine overtime. Try it I believe the company gives a 30days money back gaurantee!

Since you're new to the site, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Believe me, this is really the worst place possible to try and hawk this stuff. I'm sure you're still at the stage where there $$'s in your eyes, but this so-called product, the company behind it, and all of it's principals will be picked to death rather publicly if you pursue this here.

Oh, and in case you persist with this on other sites, you don't measure fuel economy by the "tankfull"; that's a meaningless figure because there are too many variables.

Jerry

[Ryan31]

Yes I am new here, I only came across this site, and no intentions on posting anything or joining this website. just wanting to share my experience to those who are seriously looking for ways to save gas, cuz I really don't care what you have to say unless you have tried all these products mentioned.

I am just a user of Syntek, no plans on becoming a distributor because I don't think I am good in direct selling. I just wanted to help others who are looking to save money on fuel especially gas prices are going up again.

Honestly the company Syntek does not need to release the product to the public because they have big industrial clients already like Pama Mining Company, the largest mining company in the word, GE, some oil field services and many others, but they only did this because they see the need of the general public. I learned this info after speaking to the CEO of the company because I am too scared to put stuff on my car. And I am glad I tried it!

I don't care if someone find my post usefull or not, but I do know that the product works for me. It is up to you to decide. I don't care if someone reply to this message or not, but my suggestion to people reading this is DO NOT BELEIVE PEOPLE PRETENDING TO BE EXPERTS, IF THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT TRIED THE PRODUCT!

You are correct, there are a lot of variables because that 80 miles extra per tank that I mentioned, is not always 80,sometimes its more than 80 and sometimes it is less than 80. It averages to 80 miles extra per tank based on my calculations.

To those who are seriously looking for ways to save money on fuel, or if you have tried other products that did not work, try Syntek or your money back. It works for me. I have not found any negative feedback about syntek on the internet. [link removed by mod]

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Isn't this the same garbage that we had multiple giant threads about last year, just repackaged under a new name? The old EcoEnergizer, Fuel Legacy, whatever it was called stuff that used nanotech technobabble?

[dr poormouth]

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Isn't this the same garbage that we had multiple giant threads about last year, just repackaged under a new name? The old EcoEnergizer, Fuel Legacy, whatever it was called stuff that used nanotech technobabble?

It's the Big Lie technique - say it loud enough, often enough, some will come to believe that perhaps there's some truth in it.
Puts one in mind of the story of the boy furiously shoveling through a manure pile. When asked why, he replies that with all this sh-t, there must be a pony in it somewhere.

The FTC on gaspills

Washington Post article
No Secrets Just Scams

[skyvoyager]

Look at the traffic to the Fuellegacy website...

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/fuellegacy.com/

A whopping 1,363 people visited it last month and the trend has been straight down ever since the big roll-out last June/July. Even now with gas prices back up they're still imploding.

(Chalk up another failure to gas additive slimeball Dan "Asskission" Atkinson --I warned ya!!!)

Here's the web activity for Ethos:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ethosfr.com/
The also enjoyed a dismal 2,197 visitors last month.

How can you idiots claim to have all this explosive growth when no one even visits your website?!!!

Ethos Environmental (ETEV.OB) is trading a penny above it's 52 week LOW at $0.27 CENTS.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ETEV.OB

Again,. where's the real world demand (i.e. demand outside the MLM cult)??? Where's the reflection in the stock price?

Bunch of scamming morons all of ya!!!

[EngineerI]

I'm back after 15 months- This is the longest running thread I have ever seen. I great lesson and history for me on fuel additives and MLMs.

-I hear the Ethos Fr formula has changed and so has management. Anyone try this new blend with good results?

-The new management team seems to be more consumer responsive, and I again wish the new team will send this great product to the general markets and end the MLM marketing. The whole Earth would benefit much more from this clean, green product!

[FuelSavingsinKansas.com]

I am actually using Ethos Fuel Reformulator in my own car just as recommended and it does work. I get better gas mileage for a fact. Ethos FR claims to save up to 20%, I have not tried the other products. Check it out yourself.

[skyvoyager]

20% savings is ludicrous. If true this product would literally be worth TRILLIONS. Even 5-10% savings is wholly unprovable (scientifically.. not anecdotally.)

Only the most filthy, OLD "carburated" engines 'might' experience slight improvement. But to extrapolate those benefits to the average guy driving the average car today is the height of deception.

Proof of this is the marketplace is rejecting these snake oil products. Stock prices and traffic to their websites continue to fall.

[branchb]

I have managed to improve my gas mileage from 24 mpg to 28 mpg, simply by driving slower. Going the highest speed on the lowest RPM is your absolute best bet. If I drive with the RPM needle between 2 and 3, I prefer 2.5 myself, I get at least 27 mpg. I drive a Toyota Rav4 with a 2.0L engine, smaller cars will undoubtedly get much better.

The moral to my story? NO ADDITIVES WHATSOEVER!!! There is no magic pill or incredible fuel additive.

[tripper101]

Syntek fuel additive has made my life allot easier. I tried it and here are my results:

1989 chev 3/4 4x4 pickup = 4 mpg better.
I could only pull my 28 foot trailer at 65 mph, now i can pull it at 85 mph.

2000 Mitsubishi mirage = 5 mpg better.

2003 chev Astro Van = 3 mpg better and lots of ***** up hills.

I have noticed right away that my engines got allot smother and quit.

those are my results that i have been tracking for 3 months.

Here is my page if you want to talk to me about it. Im not trying to recruit anyone, i just got the page to get cheaper product. It cost less if you get a page.
[link removed by MOD]

[skyvoyager]

Originally Posted by tripper101

Syntek fuel additive has made my life allot easier. I tried it and here are my results:

1989 chev 3/4 4x4 pickup = 4 mpg better.
I could only pull my 28 foot trailer at 65 mph, now i can pull it at 85 mph.

2000 Mitsubishi mirage = 5 mpg better.

2003 chev Astro Van = 3 mpg better and lots of ***** up hills.

I have noticed right away that my engines got allot smother and quit.

those are my results that i have been tracking for 3 months.

Here is my page if you want to talk to me about it. Im not trying to recruit anyone, i just got the page to get cheaper product. It cost less if you get a page.
[link removed by MOD]

Anecdotal testimonies are unscientific and utterly worthless. It's the manufacturers job --not the seller or consumer-- to provide verifiable, replicable data.

PS: Here's the latest traffic stats to the Fuellegacy website. Flat as a pancake for months. Despite all the hype this thing is dead.
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/fuellegacy.com/

[PhDeng]

The method of marketing (MLM) these is tested, but not true. The products are not tested, but some improvements may be true.

I am afraid anything that uses the MLM marketing schemes I suspect as being fraud. Why do you need a pyramid scheme to sell if the products claims are good and proven?

What works short term may not necessarily work in all conditions or for the long term. That is what requires the expensive testing and a company, with something to loose placing a warranty to the product.

I did look at Ethos ER and did some testing. I found an increase in diesel milage 10-15% on the highway, but nothing in the city although this might be my driving style. I found no increase at all on gas engines. This being said I also tested a lot of other additives sold in stores and found no or little improvements.

Although there is an increase in milage with the use of Ethos FR would I continue to use an untested material in my 10k$ diesel engine? No. I do not know what long term damage I may do to my engine. Why do they think we are willing to take all the risks and pay them to test their product? Stupidity? If they start to have long term problems with their product how quicky do you think the physical facilities will be rolled up?

I have worked with esters before and suspect that there is a lot of H2O in the products. Naturally this will provide you with a cooling of combustion temps and a ***** boost as does ***** injection, but I am not sure what this will do to your engine over time or in cold climates.

[LOW-COST-SECURITY]

Interesting,

None of these so called fuel enhancement additives do anything more than clean out the excess carbon build ups, and if you have a cleaner combustion chamber, you will obviously see better performance, and in some cases, better fuel economy depending on age of engine and how dirty it had gotten, which usually relates to how many miles on it.

The results, even if verified, were dubious to say the least. I had tested almost all of them, and the same results were seen on older vehicles, you would see an improvement in performance and economy, but it only worked for the first month or so depending on how many miles you drive.

Simply put, once you engine was cleaned out, you could keep it clean by using any of these fuel additives on the market once every few months, and they cost far less than anything sold through any MLM deal. So if you happened to see results, all one had to do is stop using it for a month or so and they would see no difference.

As to the above statement of why MLM? Good question, and yes, if a product is as good as claimed, it would sell in Walmarts, but, and this is a very big BUT, getting mainstream shelf space is difficult, never mind if it is a no name product no matter how good it may be, without advertising, none of these products would jump off the shelves, so this is why MLM is well suited to use with start up companies.

MLM is usually used because companies do not have the captital to launch full production for inventories, nor the huge dollars to launch an advertising awareness campaign, so MLM is useful marketing strategy, but only if a product or service offered represents true verifiable value for the consumer, not just the distributor which is sadly the case 90% of the time in all MLM's. No value, no success, it is that simple, and the main reason not one of the dozen or so MLM fuel product companies has lasted more than a year or two.

Success to all,