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Old 04-08-2009, 11:10 PM
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The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict

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The Bible is supported by archaeological evidence again and again. On the whole, there can be no question that the results of excavation have increased the respect of scholars for the Bible as a collection of historical documents. The confirmation is both general and specific. - Millar Burrows of Yale - page 100



Some writers may toy with the fancy of a “Christ-myth,” but they do not do so on the ground of historical evidence. The historicity of Christ is as axiomatic for an unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Caesar. - F. F. Bruce, Rylands professor of biblical criticism and exegesis at the University of Manchester - page 120
The world-renowned historian, Jaroslav Pelikan makes this clear: “Regardless of what anyone may personally think or believe about him, Jesus of Nazareth has been the dominant figure in the history of Western culture for almost twenty centuries. If it were possible, with some sort of super magnet, to pull up out of that history every scrap of metal bearing at least a trace of his name, how much would be left? It is from his birth that most of the human race dates its calendars, it is by his name that millions curse and in his name that millions pray.” - page 155


D. James Kennedy and Jerry Newcombe examine what has happened in history that displays the influence of the (Christian) church. Here are “a few highlights” they cite (in their book What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?):


· Hospitals, which essentially began during the Middle Ages.
· Universities, which also began during the Middle Ages. In addition, most of the world’s greatest universities were started by Christians for Christian purposes.
· Literacy and education of the masses.
· Representative government, particularly as it has been seen in the American experiment.
· The separation of political powers.
· Civil liberties.
· The abolition of slavery, both in antiquity and in modern times.
· Modern science.
· The discovery of the New World by Columbus.
· Benevolence and charity; the Good Samaritan ethic.
· Higher standards of justice.
· The elevation of the common man.
· The high regard for human life.
· The civilizing of many barbarian and primitive cultures.
· The codifying and setting to writing of many of the world’s languages.
· The greater development of art and music. The inspiration for the greatest works of art.
· The countless changed lives transformed from liabilities into assets to society because of the gospel.
· The eternal salvation of countless souls. - page 156


In the nineteenth century, Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist, challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, was an active soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes told Bradlaugh he would agree on one condition.


Hughes said, “I propose to you that we each bring some concrete evidences of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have been redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influences of our teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challenge you to do the same.”


Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn’t bring 100, then he could bring 50; if he couldn’t bring 50 then he could bring 20. He finally whittled the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person whose life was improved by atheism and Hughes - who would bring 100 people improved by Christ - would agree to debate him.
Bradlaugh withdrew! - page 156



The fact that Christ rose from the dead on the third day in full continuity of body and soul - that fact seems as secure as historical evidence can make it. - Edwin Gordon Selwyn, noted scholar - page 216


I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God hath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead. - Thomas Arnold, author of the famous three-volume History of Rome, appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford - page 217


Indeed, taking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. - Brooke Foss Westcott (1825 - 1901) regius professor at Cambridge


the Resurrection of Christ is a fact… - Benjamin Warfield of Princeton - page 218
We, as Christians, are asked to take a very great deal on trust; the teachings, for example, and the miracles of Jesus. If we had to take all on trust, I, for one, should be skeptical. The crux of the problem of whether Jesus was, or was not, what He proclaimed Himself to be, must surely depend upon the truth or otherwise of the resurrection. On that greatest point we are not merely asked to have faith. In its favour as living truth there exists such overwhelming evidence, positive and negative, factual and circumstantial, that no intelligent jury in the world could fail to bring in a verdict that the resurrection story is true.” - Lord Darling, former Chief Justice of England - page 219


There remains, therefore, no supposition possible to explain the recorded phenomenon except the combination of the fructification and rupture of the heart. - Samuel Houghton, M.D., great physiologist from the University of Dublin - page 224


This is evidence of massive clotting of the blood in the main arteries, and is exceptionally strong medical proof of death. It is all the more impressive because the evangelist could not possibly have realized its significance to a pathologist. the “blood and water” from the spear-thrust is proof positive that Jesus was already dead. - Michael Green - page 225


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"That writers on Darwin have nevertheless almost invariably spoken of the combination of these various theories as "Darwin's theory" in the singular is in part Darwin's own doing. He not only referred to the theory of evolution by common descent as "my theory," but he also called the theory of evolution by natural selection "my theory," as if common descent and natural selection were a single theory.... [Darwin] ascribed many phenomena, particularly those of geographic distribution, to natural selection when they were really the consequences of common descent."- Ernst Mayr, quoted in The Edge of Evolution, by Michael Behe, page 64

It's interesting to note that godless leftists frequently and derisively refer to "quote mining" when others cite passages from books or papers that they dislike. Obviously godless leftists never ever call their own citations from the Holy Bible "quote mining." The godless left is unexceled in clever wordplay.



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LIAR!!!

Only a few sentences in and you're already telling lies.

Universities didn't start in the middle ages, nor were they started by christians for christians. The oldest universities were started by mulsims during the Islamic Golden Age - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Al_Karaouine

You just can't help yourself, can you. You just can't seem to speak without telling your dirty conservative lies.

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Lol!

Ok, I suppose modern science has "felt the influence" of the Christian church. Galileo certainly "felt the influence" of the church while he was spending the latter part of his life under house arrest for challenging the bible.

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It's interesting to note that godless leftists frequently and derisively refer to "quote mining" when others cite passages from books or papers that they dislike. Obviously godless leftists never ever call their own citations from the Holy Bible "quote mining." The godless left is unexceled in clever wordplay.
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What about the theistic left? Does this apply to them as well. There are several liberals on this very board that also happen to believe in god.

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LIAR!!!

Only a few sentences in and you're already telling lies.

Universities didn't start in the middle ages, nor were they started by christians for christians. The oldest universities were started by mulsims during the Islamic Golden Age - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Al_Karaouine

You just can't help yourself, can you. You just can't seem to speak without telling your dirty conservative lies.
1. Josh McDowell wrote the cited book. I didn't. It is not a "lie" to quote someone, whether or not you believe them. Here, try this: "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." See, I didn't lie. I just quoted Bill Pathological Liar Clinton.
Read that until you grasp it. You should probably ask an adult for help.

2. Josh McDowell quoted D. James Kennedy in the passage you attributed to me as a "liar."

You really are full of yourself, aren't you.

It's difficult to ignore stupidity as glaring as yours, but you do provide good cannon fodder.

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1. Josh McDowell wrote the cited book. I didn't. It is not a "lie" to quote someone, whether or not you believe them. Here, try this: "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." See, I didn't lie. I just quoted Bill Pathological Liar Clinton.
Read that until you grasp it. You should probably ask an adult for help.

2. Josh McDowell quoted D. James Kennedy in the passage you attributed to me as a "liar."

You really are full of yourself, aren't you.

It's difficult to ignore stupidity as glaring as yours, but you do provide good cannon fodder.
D. James Kennedy was intellectually dishonest in his attempts to link Darwin to Hitler. Was just the typical fear and smear of the Evangelical Right when facts were not available.

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1. Josh McDowell wrote the cited book. I didn't. It is not a "lie" to quote someone, whether or not you believe them. Here, try this: "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." See, I didn't lie. I just quoted Bill Pathological Liar Clinton.
Read that until you grasp it. You should probably ask an adult for help.

2. Josh McDowell quoted D. James Kennedy in the passage you attributed to me as a "liar."

You really are full of yourself, aren't you.

It's difficult to ignore stupidity as glaring as yours, but you do provide good cannon fodder.
Knowingly propagating a lie is just as bad as telling it in the first place.

But I would expect a moral-less, bible-thumping, red-neck conservative to understand that.

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So, the number of colleges producing Bible-Babblers somehow proves what point?
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So, the number of colleges producing Bible-Babblers somehow proves what point?
that when it comes to DEMANDING your WAY!?big NUMBERS help!?
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D. James Kennedy was intellectually dishonest in his attempts to link Darwin to Hitler. Was just the typical fear and smear of the Evangelical Right when facts were not available.
You really should stop your typical fear and smear of people who do not lean far, far to the left, as you do.

From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany,
by Richard Weikart




Richard Weikart is professor of modern European history at California State University, Stanislaus. He has lived in Germany over five years, including one year on a Fulbright Fellowship. He has published two previous books, including Socialist Darwinism: Evolution in German Socialist Thought from Marx to Bernstein (1999), as well as articles in German Studies Review, Journal of the History of Ideas, Isis, European Legacy, and History of European Ideas. For more information, see his professional vita. For information about speaking engagements, please contact him via e-mail (click here).
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"Richard Weikart's outstanding book shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society by the time of the First World War, in which the supposed good of the race was applied as the sole criterion of public policy and 'racial hygiene'. Without over-simplifying the lines that connected this body of thought to Hitler, he demonstrates with chilling clarity how policies such as infanticide, assisted suicide, marriage prohibitions and much else were being proposed for those considered racially or eugenically inferior by a variety of Darwinist writers and scientists, providing Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued once they came to power." -- Richard Evans, Professor of Modern History, University of Cambridge, and author of
The Coming of the Third Reich
"This is one of the finest examples of intellectual history I have seen in a long while. It is insightful, thoughtful, informative, and highly readable. Rather than simply connecting the dots, so to speak, the author provides a sophisticated and nuanced examination of numerous German thinkers of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries who were influenced to one degree or another by Darwinist naturalism and their ideas, subtly drawing both distinctions and similarities and in the process telling a rich and colorful story." -- Ian Dowbiggin, Professor of History, University of Prince Edward Island and author of A Merciful End: The Euthanasia Movement in Modern America
"This is an impressive piece of intellectual and cultural history--a well-researched, clearly presented argument with good, balanced, fair judgments. Weikart has a thorough knowledge of the relevant historiography in both German and English." -- Alfred Kelly, Edgar B. Graves Professor of History, Hamilton College, and author of The Descent of Darwin: The Popularization of Darwinism in Germany, 1860-1914
"This is truly a well-crafted work of intellectual history, and one directly relevant to some of the most consequential ethical discussions of our present time. Christians and all people of good will would do well to ponder these arguments, recognizing how easily the best and brightest can commit the worst and darkest under the progressive banner of biological 'health and fitness.' The book should provoke much debate and discussion, not only among historians but among ethicists and scientists too." --Thomas Albert Howard, Associate Professor of History, Gordon College, author of Protestant Theology and the Making of the Modern German University
"The philosophy that fueled German militarism and Hitlerism is taught as fact in every American public school, with no disagreement allowed. Every parent ought to know this story, which Weikart persuasively explains." --Phillip Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Law, University of California, Berkeley, and author of Darwin on Trial and Reason in the Balance
"If you think moral issues like infanticide, assisted suicide, and tampering with human genes are new, read this book. It draws a clear and chilling picture of the way Darwinian naturalism led German thinkers to treat human life as raw materials to be manipulated in order to advance the course of evolution. The ethics of Hitler's Germany were not reactionary; they were very much 'cutting edge' and in line with the scientific understanding of the day. Weikart's implicit warning is that as long as the same assumption of Darwinian naturalism reigns in educated circles in our own day, it may well lead to similar practices." --Nancy Pearcey, author of Total Truth andco-author of The Soul of Science and How Now Shall We Live
"Richard Weikart's masterful work offers a compelling case that the eugenics movement, and all the political and social consequences that have flowed from it, would have been unlikely if not for the cultural elite's enthusiastic embracing of the Darwinian account of life, morality, and social institutions. Professor Weikart reminds us, with careful scholarship and circumspect argument, that the truth uttered by Richard Weaver decades ago is indeed a fixed axiom of human institutions: 'ideas have consequences.'" --Francis J. Beckwith, Associate Director, J.M. Dawson Institute of Church-State Studies, and Associate Professor of Church-State Studies, Baylor University
"Richard Weikart has provided bioethicists with an excellent resource in From Darwin to Hitler." --Center for Bioethics and Culture Newsletter
"Weikart has written a significant study because it raises key ethical questions in broad terms that have contemporary relevance. His historicization of the moral framework of evolutionary theory poses key issues for those in sociobiology and evolutionary pscyhology, not to mention bioethicists, who have recycled many of the suppositions that Weikart has traced." --H-Net review on H-Ideas
". . . Richard Weikart's excellent new book. In precise and careful detail Weikart narrates an indispensable chapter of cultural and intellectual history . . ." --National Review
"This important work of intellectual history will act as a catalyst for rethinking the scientific and social forces that shaped the racial policies of the Third Reich." --Choice
"This book will prove to be an invaluable source for anyone wondering how closely linked Social Darwinism and Nazi ideologies, especially as uttered by Hitler, really were." --German Studies Review

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the funny thing is, i am more likely to "pay attention" to it's warnings when QUOTING someone else's post!? i dont anyone to MIS-construe my reply based on their confusion as to the quoted posters MEANING!? and sometimes i'm on a computer that lacks the spell checker!?
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LIAR!!!

Only a few sentences in and you're already telling lies.

Universities didn't start in the middle ages, nor were they started by christians (SIC) for christians. (SIC) The oldest universities were started by mulsims (SIC) during the Islamic Golden Age - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Al_Karaouine

You just can't help yourself, can you. You just can't seem to speak without telling your dirty conservative lies.
Time and time again, I waste time responding to you and your inane posts.

YOUR source says this:

The University of Al-Karaouine or Al-Qarawiyyin (Arabic: جامعة القرويين‎) (other transliterations of the name include Qarawiyin, Kairouyine, Kairaouine, Qairawiyin, Qaraouyine, Quaraouiyine, Quarawin, and Qaraouiyn) is a university located in Fes, Morocco. Founded in 859, as a religious school or madrassah,[1] the university is one of the leading spiritual and educational centers of the Muslim world.

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YOUR source does not say it was a "UNIVERSITY" founded in 859.
It states that it IS a university TODAY, which was "FOUNDED IN 859 AS A religious school".

YOUR source also provides a list of universities "founded before 1500."

Nowhere on that list can "Muslim universities" be found.

YOUR source. YOUR claims, that I am "a liar."

I fully expect you to do your usual practice of spinning and denying.

Leftists, atheists, agnostics, and other haters of Christians specialize in spinning and telling the Big Lie, and even when their previous Big Lie has been exposed, they consistently go on to try to prop up their last Big Lie with a fresh new one.

Please try to grow up and learn a few things. You really waste my time and the time of anyone else who searches for truth.

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I'm wasting your time?

Then why are you responding to that post for the second time?

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I'm wasting your time?

Then why are you responding to that post for the second time?
1. Ignoring godless leftists generally results in their preening and declaring themselves victorious. This is of course yet another Big Lie, but then again, godless leftists are expert in Big Lies, using them more frequently than anything else in their/your destructive playbook.

2. I am quoting you and your sources, to plainly demonstrate how wrong you are, for the benefit of the average layman, whom you seek to intimidate with your "university education."


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