The Wealthy Affiliate University Scam or Not?

[shopztar]

Hey,
I keep running into it online, I'm supposed to be able to work full-time from home, is that legit?

www.wealthyaffilliateuniversity.com

Has anyone tried it?

I keep finding affiliate link reviewer in google so hopefully someone in here can help.

Thanks.

[ukscambuster]

There has been a recent thread on this - think the title was are all affiliate programs scams? In any case I am sure the Wealthy Affiliate affiliates will be along shortly to tell you how wonderful it is. :)

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[gonemom]

I'm a member and it has it's good and bad points. I like the learning tools & the fact I can pay monthly instead of yearly. I like the start-up income-making options. I don't like how remedial I feel trying to understand how to implement the tools I'm being taught nor how complicated Squidoo & other sites are to use. I like that I am being taught to be self-sufficient so I can promote my own sites of interest (NOT theirs) and I can create my own webpage for selling my farm products. This is not a place to get rich quickly. You're only limited by the time you put in, your learning rate and motivation.
Hope this helps

[Blert Nirgal]

Personal coaching by two 20-something year-olds who will gladly collect high fees to lead you by the hand to do things on the internet that you could learn about for free with a little effort?

Not an illegitimate concept, per se.

Gonemom - what's your ROI been out of the coaching so far? [IOW, how much have you paid so far in order to learn, and what kind of return in income have you gotten out of that investment?]

[myglobalresults]

I believe Kyle, Carson, Travis are keeping the sheep busy with trivial matters while they go after the gold. It is a classic thing in most of these internet marketing membership programs. For a complete newbie worth the investment for a month or 2 but afterwards your simply wasting your time trying to make pennies while they make dollars.

[bwh1]

As told by the first reply, there is a huge thread on this forum about WA. In a short version

- NO, it's not a scam
- NO, it's not a Make Money System, it's a learning resource for newbies about how to make money as a Affiliate Marketer
- NO, it's not the only possible way to learn this, but most probably the fastest as you get guidance and personal support (mine in case U are my referral)
- NO, no refund on the monthly fee. If you sign up you are in for 30 days and get full access to all.
- YES - there are some great bonuses offered, just ask the site owner where you like to sign up, or PM me here in scam.com

All other information's you will get over the mentioned thread or over a site in my sig.

G.

[gonemom]

Hey Blert,
I have made my monthly fee ($40 because I go mo-to-mo) plus about $40 extra per month. I am not a web-builder by any means and I'm sure there are less expensive gurus. I am a total newb, I like the quick responses I get from other members and I am using WA to teach me how to market my farm plus maybe do a little extra on the side.

[Jason Voorhees]

Wealthy affiliate is a load of crap. You will not be wealthy.Dont waste your hard earned money

[bwh1]

Originally Posted by Jason Voorhees

Wealthy affiliate is a load of crap. You will not be wealthy.Dont waste your hard earned money

Jason

not to disrespect you in any way, but

- Did you ever joined WA to judge what it delivers for the $39/mo ?

- If YES, then did you ever USED what they teach ?

- If NO, how the heck can you tell what's a crap ? Before you don't stick your finger in crap you can't say if it stinks.

We have discussed WA here in this forum quite a bit and there are two kind of people/sides.

The ones which think ALL what's offered is a scam, and the ones which understand that there are some good resources available.

WA is by no means the only one, or the best. For me it's the best, but that's ME and I don't say that all have to love the same pudding.

YES, you can learn a lot online for free, spending NO MONEY at all. But you will spend TIME, so maybe your time isn't worth anything, mine is worth a lot so all BS I can avoid is gold.

If someone is new to make money online, they simply don't have a clue what actually is possible, what they can or can't do, how to do it and so on.

So how do you learn some when you don't know what you have to learn ?

You need guidance.

That's exactly where those over hyped scam books get in. They use 2 main psycho drills.

- Your INNOCENCE not knowing that what they claim is a joke

and

- Your HUNGER for fast, easy, instant, loads of cash.

I tell you that after a short period learning Internet Marketing you will be able to smell a scam a mile against the wind.

This has been a long post. Summarizing, don't JUDGE what you don't know.

And if you have been a member there and think that ALL what WA offered you is crap, then I'm happy to help you personally over PM feature to discuss your problems with this.

Sounds fair I guess.

G.

[gregw2]

I was a member of WA for several months and learned allot. I was surprised because I thought that I already knew some of the stuff I learned new things about.

It is a good program for people who are new. It does go into ad-words which I seldom use anymore.

I have since found another program that costs less and offers more of the information that I like.

I wont post the thread here. I am not promoting it either, but it is only two months old and already growing in memberships like wildfire.

It has some great marketing talent involved, over twenty well known marketeers, and no it is not the warriors forum.

I will tell you the name and you can find it yourself if you are inclined. It is called Easily Answered dot com.

WA does offer some tools with it's program and these are helpful, like hosting and keywords research. They do try to get the members to promote their products, which is okay if that is what you want to do, but you are far better off taking the information that you can learn from them and using it to promote your own products.

[yuraedragon]

Hello everyone, I been in wealthy affiliate University for a week, it makes you pay a monthly or yearly fee to belong to the community, but they offer you free material to make and host your articles and web pages and have a forum and not only to get help as also jobs to take from from other people who need your skills and free courses to learn how to advertise as other things... I accept any comments about it if anyone knows if its real or a scam, I checked many reviews and so about it...

[l23b]

how are u allowed to leave a link on a scam.com site thats spamming...im sure it is?

[Michelle Lopes]

Wealthy Affiliate is not a scam. I thought about joining myself at first but I'm not into PPC - plus I didn't want to use their software to create my site.

Kyle and Carson are well known and respected in the marketing community. I personally know people who have joined WA and are doing very well and are now promoting it. The only negative thing I've heard is that there is so much information there that's it's hard to get through it all. But really, that's not negative at all.

[bwh1]

To all which are seriously interested into know more about Wealthy Affiliates, now you get a fair chance.

I say "seriously" as I don't want any "affiliate marketing haters" take me up on this just to rant later on.

If you don't like affiliate marketing, don't believe in it no way or have a negative spirit believing that all is a scam what ask for money - THEN DON'T GET THIS TRIAL OFFER - OK.

What I'm talking about is, that for a limited time, between the 1th and the 7th of June, WA is running a $1.- dollar 7day trial.

Yes, you get access to ALL what a normal member get's for only $1.-, during 7 days. Including downloads, Hosting, Forum and so on.

There is nothing else you need to buy, just a simple offer to find out what's really inside, and if folks are telling the truth (like me).

You simply go to the homepage from Wealthy Affiliate over a link at any site similar to the one in my sig, sign up to the list and wait till the mentioned date. During those period you will see the promotion and get the $1.- dollar trial directly.

You don't like it - you quit and we all are happy. If you downloaded just one report there you got x-time more value then the $1.-, I promise.

If you stay you get a bonus book, but you will get more details and information's to this when the date is here.

Yes, this post looks like a promotion, but here's why I do it.

1 - I'm not getting a commission for this, so I put my ass in the line here because if the folks which try it would think it's a BS, then you guy's will come back here and kick me in the butt.

2 - I'm getting DAILY visitors from scam.com to WA, so it's my obligation to tell to them - DON'T JOIN NOW, use this trial first and then decide if you like to stay or not. I must be nut's to do this or convinced that I'm offering a great deal. You choose.

3 - It's a no brainer and a fair deal. There is no catch to this and you walk away benefiting from this, if you stay or not.

Any questions, you can PM me if you like, and inside WA I use the same nickname, so it's easy to find me (have over 1800 posts in the WA forum).

G.

[PLMonline]

No B.S.

Today the owners of Wealthy Affiliate, Kyle & Carson have launched a trial membership offer that gives people the chance to see WA from inside for just a buck.

It's a promotion that gives you an opportunity to "test-drive" as a member with FULL unrestricted access to every tutorial, all the training, every tool, and every resource, function, and feature.

They have stated this is for the first 2000 people only between today, June 1st until midnight EST June 8th.

This is the first time they have ever offered this before since they launched their membership site in 2005. I've been a member for a year now myself and never seen this before. So you got my word on that.

Here's the details I got in my email box today:

What: $1, 7-day Full Access Trial to WA

Start: June 1st, 2009 at 12PM EST (noon)

End: June 8th, 2009 at 12PM EST (noon)

This trial is going to run for full week (time sensitivity) and will end on Monday, June 8th at 12PM EST.

The trial is going to include full access to Wealthy Affiliate. This means users will get a forum account, able to create WA hosting, build websites using Site Rubix, get access their first NicheQ, create their WA Space/Blog, access to the forum, access to all the tools, and access to full support from Carson and myself.

We felt that we wanted to make this a "real" experience for the users so we opened things right up. After the 7-day trial period, the customer will be billed their $39/mth. To prevent potential chargebacks during this time, we are not allowing people to sign-up for a one year account, however they will be able to upgrade after their monthly $39/mth billing kicks in.

This is the real deal folks! ...or may lightening strike me down! So here's the things to note:

(1) Time Sensitive Offer of 1 week only (June 1st to June 8th...this is not a fake gimmick but a legit time sensitive deal)
(2) Only Trial EVER Offered at WA (I've never seen one in the year I've been a member and Kyle himself told me they never have... so I believe him!)
(3) Full Access to EVERYTHING at WA
(4) No obligations. Cancel at anytime before the 7 days is over and will not be rebilled.
(5) WA is the #1 Ranked Internet Marketing Community Online
(6) I'm a current member and have been so ever since June 2nd 2008... You can feel free to come say hi if you wish to take a test drive ... my member name in the private WA forums is "PLM" I'll help answer any questions you may have as well, but understand I might take a while to get to you.
(7) You can even get your free bonuses as Kyle has told me through this trial if you continue with your membership. (These are your selection of one of their 3 famous ebooks... who loves money, beating adwords, or inside the list)

Hope I have shared the brutally honest details the best I can to assist anyone that is interested.

Cheers,

"PLM"

[tony83]

Isn't wealthy affiliate like a clickbank product??

[PLMonline]

No...

It's a private membership site that is more or less set up like a boot camp style training ground with a members only forum that blows away the warrior forum by far, and has many other tools and resources that come with your membership on the dashboard when you log in.

This month for the first time ever in 4 years they are offering a "test-drive" for 1 dollar for 1 week. Full unrestricted access to everything. If you decide to keep your membership then you pay $39 monthly membership fees, or you can cancel at anytime and pay nothing more.

The learning curve can be tough. But in the past year I've been a member myself, I can honestly say I owe my success to WA 100%. I don't own a yacht, or drive a ferrari, or make millions... yet! But I do make a comfortable living at home doing affiliate marketing.

[William S.]

I'm not gonna rant on and on about wealthy affiliate, but I will back up what others have said.

1. No, it's not a scam. Over 20,000 people paying a monthly fee. Would they be doing that if it wasn't worth it?

2. It takes time to learn. Maybe it was just me but I had absolutely no clue about affiliate marketing, eventually though it has all fallen into place and I've started making some money and it's steadily rising.

3. It gives you the potential to change your life. I know that sounds like a horrid cliche, but it's done that for me. I'm devoting the rest of my life to affiliate marketing and I plan to be a member of wealthy affiliate for years to come.

Anyway everything I say doesn't matter, you can click below and start a one week trial and see for yourself.

Will.

[Yeoch]

To the Wealthy Affiliates,

I read from WA's website that affiliates are given 'gold' points every month ... and these 'gold' points can be cash out in US$. This catches my interest.

Please advise how does this 'gold' point system works. Anybody really cash out real money and the coversion formula between 'gold' points and US$?

[PLMonline]

Originally Posted by Yeoch

To the Wealthy Affiliates,

I read from WA's website that affiliates are given 'gold' points every month ... and these 'gold' points can be cash out in US$. This catches my interest.

Please advise how does this 'gold' point system works. Anybody really cash out real money and the coversion formula between 'gold' points and US$?

You earn "gold points" for doing any action on the forums such as posting a reply, to sending a PM and based on the value of your response I guess there is a automated system that gives you these points. You can also opt to give your gold to people you feel deserve it and it's customary that gold is flung around freely in the forums for helpfull posts.

I know this might sound interesting and have your interest but to be honest there is not much of a big deal with the whole gold thing. It takes 10 gold points to make a dollar and you can opt out to get paid which I've usually never made more then $100 at best with my own gold points.

To be blunt, I've been flinging the gold points that I earn to other folks that need it more then I do. It's just a few bucks and more or less like a silly game to me. I would much rather make a noobies day welcoming them with 10 bucks sending gold to a total stranger then I would cashing it out. It's more fun for me that way honestly.

[legitebiz]

The gold can be cashed out or simply used to pay others you ask for help within the community.

It is an additional way of adding interactivity between members and what better way than enabling them to trade?

I ceased to be a member a while ago, but not because I did not think it was worth it, because really, I think there are only good things to say about this site.

I simply did not continue as a member because I had found a business model within the affiliate marketing arena that truly demanded my full dedication and staying within the WA would have diluted my efforts at the time. I simply did not have the time to take advantage of all the WA had to offer, so I decided I would leave it for the moment and join later when I could really benefit from all the great content and resources they offer.

You will need a lot of dedication, WA is no hype, it is simply a well conceived and organized online business education center if you will, so if you are thinking about joining be prepared to put a great deal of effort in the mix, otherwise you will waste your money and you will get nowhere.

[bwh1]

What a great post from someone who is NOT a member.

Originally Posted by legitebiz

The gold can be cashed out or simply used to pay others you ask for help within the community.

It is an additional way of adding interactivity between members and what better way than enabling them to trade?

I ceased to be a member a while ago, but not because I did not think it was worth it, because really, I think there are only good things to say about this site.

I simply did not continue as a member because I had found a business model within the affiliate marketing arena that truly demanded my full dedication and staying within the WA would have diluted my efforts at the time. I simply did not have the time to take advantage of all the WA had to offer, so I decided I would leave it for the moment and join later when I could really benefit from all the great content and resources they offer.

I seperate the part below as those lines tell you what is ABSOLUTELY crucial before you buy ANYTHING related to make money online.

You will need a lot of dedication, WA is no hype, it is simply a well conceived and organized online business education center if you will, so if you are thinking about joining be prepared to put a great deal of effort in the mix, otherwise you will waste your money and you will get nowhere.

This is "building a online business" and need your dedication and time. If you are not ready to invest this - then DON'T JOIN.

Otherwise it's one of the best resource available, specially for the low value you pay.

G.

[fern]

For starters, is Wealthy Affiliate University a scam or is this company what it claims to be? Many people are attracted to this company by it’s marketing or even by the advertising made by its affiliates claiming that if you join WA you will learn all you need to know to earn real income from the internet and be financially independent. However this claim is also been done by thousands of companies all over the Internet. Is there any real difference between Wealthy Affiliate and these other companies?

After going over WA claims and checking out their website to make sure that I wasn‘t going to waste my time, I did a Google search with the term “wealthy affiliate scam”. To my surprise I couldn’t find any derogatory information about this company, only praises, except for the fact that they provide an overload of the best marketing techniques available which in the beginning gets some people lost and don’t know where to start. However if they stick to it they find their way, not to mention the personal attention from the company founders and even from other members.

I have been an SEO for over ten years and have been around the Internet longer than that, always looking for real down to earth opportunities and the truth is that up until now I have never seen a company quite like this one for many reasons.

Wealthy Affiliate doesn’t promise to make you rich overnight like scam or get quick rich companies do nor it attempts to do so either. They don’t claim to help you make plenty of money just by doing very little work like most work at home companies will tell you. On the contrary, they’ll give you all the learning tools - a lot more than any other company I have ever seen - to help you accomplish your financial goals but they also encourage you to implement them right away which requires you to take the initiative.

Any one expecting to get rich quick overnight with this or any other company is just dreaming. Nevertheless, by implementing the many tools WA has, anyone can start earning a decent income online in very little time - depending on how much effort one puts into it - and as he or she continues doing the same effort, the money being earned will steadily increase because the type of proven marketing that WA teaches has an cumulative effect!

Wealthy Affiliates not only teaches its members how to successfully promote websites and also market other companies products or services thru affiliate marketing but will also shows them where to find the best and most profitable of these affiliate programs giving Wealth Affiliates an extra edge in earnings.

The founders of WA, Kyle & Carson are two very bright young guys with an incredible amount of marketing knowledge who not only are teaching people from all walks of life to make a living - and a very good one - but also are on top of what they do all the time, perfecting what they already have and bringing in even more tools and resources and all this is made available to all who join in.

[MoneyStance]

I'm currently a member of Wealthy Affiliate and the information and tools therein are great and worthy of a few month investment to learn. Absorb what you can, take notes, and then cancel your membership and implement your Internet marketing campaign. You can then continue your research using free resources online for specific strategies that WA only views from the 1,000 foot view. One of the biggest drawbacks of the program is that you need to have a membership to be their affiliate and most of the training they provide use marketing their program as examples.

[BeInformed]

Originally Posted by MoneyStance

I'm currently a member of Wealthy Affiliate and the information and tools therein are great and worthy of a few month investment to learn. Absorb what you can, take notes, and then cancel your membership and implement your Internet marketing campaign. You can then continue your research using free resources online for specific strategies that WA only views from the 1,000 foot view. One of the biggest drawbacks of the program is that you need to have a membership to be their affiliate and most of the training they provide use marketing their program as examples.

I think its a good idea that only members can be affiliates (which most aren't).

However the thing with Wealthy Affiliate is that it is brilliant but yes some people do drop out and call it a scam.

Which to my mind is ludicrous, because think about it, if someone dropped out of Harvard, and called it a scam...would you believe him?

Because of the training I've received at WA I've been able to have days where I've earned $300+...with the norm being $100. If anyone wants proof drop me a pm.

However I've taken action with what I've given, I'm pretty bright (modest one eh?) and have read between the lines of everything they teach to see the method that is the most profitable....want to know what it is?

Email marketing...

And the way WA teaches it is ACE, because you are marketing to people who actually love your emails and who will buy products and interact with you

[gregw2]

I like Wealthy Affiliate. But they are too expensive for my pocketbook.

I think that they offer many opportunities for anyone new to marketing and the web.

I think and know that there are other sources that are available for free the offer the same things.

The Warriors Forum for one.
But, there are many others.

It all depends upon your needs and desires.

If you want to learn one certain aspect of marketing and making money online then you have to look for that without getting distracted by all of the other offers.

Before I would pay someone $39.00 a month I would really evaluate their site and I would check into any other available options.

There are so many free options for learning online today, which need to be respected and investigated.

Wealthy affiliate is not a scam, but is an expensive solution.

Any site that is a paid membership is suspect to me, because the internet is free, or it is supposed to be free.

There are less expensive ways to learn marketing and better ways, that can teach you more than these two gentlemen on WA do.

It takes time to find them and sort them out, but it is worth it in the final result.

So, WA is not a scam, but, it is a very expensive choice in the learning curve of making money online.

[SeriousBusiness]

Is it a scam? I guess you can debate that.

If you consider the fact you'll make more working a week or two at Burger King than you will in a year with this "program" and if you consider that a "scam" then yes, I'd say it is.

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by SeriousBusiness

Is it a scam? I guess you can debate that.

If you consider the fact you'll make more working a week or two at Burger King than you will in a year with this "program" and if you consider that a "scam" then yes, I'd say it is.

It is not a scam, like the scams that seek to steal your money and offer nothing in return, or only reward you with products of very little value or no value.

I was a member for over a year early on, and it cost me only about $9.00 a month for the membership because I sponsored a few other members.

They provided web hosting for three websites per member and some software tools that helped in establishing a presence online.

They also have a very good tutorial, but it is largely about AdWords, which I do not like to use anymore (personal choice).

Their forum is what is very good. Some of the members have been active for over five years, and have some very good advice.

Did I make money from what I learned? Yes.

Was that income more than two weeks of salary at a Burger King? Yes.

If you follow their instructions and get involved in their forum you will make money.

Is it worth $39.00 a month? Not to me.

[BeInformed]

Originally Posted by gregw2

It is not a scam, like the scams that seek to steal your money and offer nothing in return, or only reward you with products of very little value or no value.

I was a member for over a year early on, and it cost me only about $9.00 a month for the membership because I sponsored a few other members.

They provided web hosting for three websites per member and some software tools that helped in establishing a presence online.

They also have a very good tutorial, but it is largely about AdWords, which I do not like to use anymore (personal choice).

Their forum is what is very good. Some of the members have been active for over five years, and have some very good advice.

Did I make money from what I learned? Yes.

Was that income more than two weeks of salary at a Burger King? Yes.

If you follow their instructions and get involved in their forum you will make money.

Is it worth $39.00 a month? Not to me.

Unlimited domain hosting is now available actually, plus the new overhaul has kept up to date with a lot of what is working now

[bwh1]

Originally Posted by gregw2

Wealthy affiliate is not a scam, but is an expensive solution.

I think you don't VALUE your time (neither WA).

If I waste 5 hours to SEARCH for something which should work but actually have no clue if it actually do work, then I spend more then $39.-.

Hosting cost you anywhere around $7 a month (quality hosting), the free niche reports are worth at least $30 bucks each, the content spinner is as well worth at least $10 a month. The personal support plus the Forum are priceless.

At Warrior Forum you get lot's of info's, but the meaty stuff is sold over the Warrior Special Offer and cost you money.

Fact is - there is NO FREE LUNCH.

If you wanna get this ball rolling, then face this and invest something into it.

After all it's YOUR business. So if YOU are cheap so does your business.

G.

[thomashoi]

I have joined Wealthy affiliate since April 2007 and has never regretted since.

Prior to joining WA, i was involved in some kinds of get rich quick scam like those HYIP, high yield investment programs where you invest a buck and can get back more bucks like in hours....

I also invested in swisscash years back when I get a monthly 10-20% returns without doing anything. The more people I recruit, the more money i made... but it's a scam and it falls through and some of the masterminds were arrested.... but still some top people get away with it and made more than $100k.....

Needless to say, I lost a lot of money in these scams and wanted to find something that is real, some people that can really teach me how to fish, rather than giving me the fish.

Then I went to do research for months and months for a coaching program that can really teach me how to make money online.

When i first stumble upon Wealthy affiliate website, the webpage looks scam to me.... how much money they made, those testimonies etc..... probably because of all the scams that I have lost money to... I was afraid this might be another scam....

It took me another month of checking all the forum reviews about wealthy affiliate before I sink my hard earned money into it.

I told myself if it's a scam website, I will just cancel the membership and at most lose $29.90 (at that time in 2007), and if it really helps me to make money online, I will stay on....

Fast forward to 2010 now, I'm still a member and have earned back my membership fees many times over... I will likely stay at Wealthy affiliate for good since I will always get the latest updates from the online world...

[silver93350]

No it is not a scam. I am member there and it is where I learned all my beginner seo and affiliate marketing training.

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by BeInformed

Unlimited domain hosting is now available actually, plus the new overhaul has kept up to date with a lot of what is working now

I was a member in 2007 and it was only three domains allowed for hosting which I never used because I already had unlimited hosting with blue host.

I just found that with my hosting already taken care of and my auto-responder fees, along with all of the other software that I have, that it did not make sense to stay in as a member, when the only benefit was the forum.

I also did not like their teaching of Blackhat marketing techniques, and I still do not.
Any marketer that teaches Blackhat does not get my support.

If you need clarification on what Blackhat is then maybe you need to be a member of WA.

Like I said before I learned a lot while I was a member, but chose not to be one any longer and I will never promote them, or advertise them when there are better places to learn the same things, and teachers that do not lead you into Blackhat areas of marketing.

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by bwh1

I think you don't VALUE your time (neither WA).

If I waste 5 hours to SEARCH for something which should work but actually have no clue if it actually do work, then I spend more then $39.-.

Hosting cost you anywhere around $7 a month (quality hosting), the free niche reports are worth at least $30 bucks each, the content spinner is as well worth at least $10 a month. The personal support plus the Forum are priceless.

At Warrior Forum you get lot's of info's, but the meaty stuff is sold over the Warrior Special Offer and cost you money.

Fact is - there is NO FREE LUNCH.

If you wanna get this ball rolling, then face this and invest something into it.

After all it's YOUR business. So if YOU are cheap so does your business.

G.

I value my time and my choices. And I think that WA is okay for some people but no longer for me.

Since you are an affiliate I understand your strong support of them and it pays to sign up members. You can then get your own paid for.

I was a member in 2007 and learned some things. I liked their forum, but at the cost of almost 40.00 a month today there are better options for serious people.

A serious person needs to jump in and begin without any procrastination. They do not need WA or similar programs to light a fire under them. If they do then they should continue with what they are doing.

For some WA is their answer and that is their choice but it is not right for everyone.

The free lunch seekers are the ones that buy into instant wealth products and when they are let down enough times are most attracted to membership programs, rather than taking the bold step of learning by trial and error.

I was lucky. I never went into the instant wealth products or programs, but I did join WA thinking that It could teach me some things, and it did, but like I said many times now, and will continue to say, it is not worth the cost to me personally.

I seldom use AdWords, and I do not like Blackhat techniques, which are two things that they taught when I was a member.

If the the software that went along with the membership was up-to-date and excellent then it could change my opinion, but it was not at the time I was a member.

I use the best article spinner online and it was given to me for free by a member of the Warriors Forum.

I use the best Keyword programs and I only paid for one of the eighteen.

I use the best niche and content finders and I only had to purchase one of them.

I have over 500,000 current PLR articles and I never had to pay a dime for any of them.

I have over 2,000 current eBooks and the total cost for all of them was under 50.00.

This is just a tip of what I have collected in 2009, and it is more than I will ever use.

I never received anything concrete from WA, nothing tangible, that I could store on my hard drive, and refer to after I was no longer a member.

So there are advantages with a WA membership and there are disadvantages.

It boils down to where in online learning and standing you are that makes it lucrative and beneficial to be a member or not.

It has nothing to do with being too cheap as you put it.

It has everything to do with being smart and using your time and money wisely.

Your business is what is determined by what you create and put into it, and this takes action.

You can not be afraid of failure to succeed, and the only way to succeed in this business is to dive in and start building an online presence, learning as you go. There are some shortcuts but not that many.

[McWicked]

How much money can someone who wants to dedicate a full work day 5 days a week to this make from the beginning and moving forward?

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by McWicked

How much money can someone who wants to dedicate a full work day 5 days a week to this make from the beginning and moving forward?

That is a question that is impossible to answer. There are too many variables involved.

If your question is specifically about WA then I will not even attempt to answer it.

If it is a general question then it depends on what you decide to focus on and want products you choose to market.

The learning curve is different for everyone. Some people are naturals and pick everything up very quickly, while others seems to struggle with every aspect of affiliate marketing.

My advice to everyone is to set up and online presence with a website or a blog and dive in.

You have to do a lot of reading in the beginning and take a lot of notes.
You have to put quality content on your sites and you need traffic.

These are things that can be done with very little cost, but some effort and time is required.

Most people do not see any real income for the first three months of their efforts. It takes about that long to get established and begin drawing traffic. Without traffic you will never have sales.

There are many other aspects for making money online, other than affiliate marketing.

Creating your own products (eBooks) is still lucrative if you are writing for a current need or trend.

A very important consideration is that when you decide to market make sure that it is something that people are searching for and that the competition is not so populated that it will be impossible to get any sales.

Competition is good for the market but if it is already saturated with marketers and big companies with deep pocket books for advertising costs then the new marketer or affiliate will scarcely have a chance.

There are different techniques used by different affiliates and schools of thought. Finding the right combination that works for you is the goal, and remember that the Internet is always changing, so the rules and the tactics that work will always be changing.

The basics can be learned on a few different websites and blog sites. The learning process is ongoing and needs to be kept up.

There are a few paid systems or eBooks that are very good, but I never encourage anyone to purchase these until they have read up on the basics that are offered for free. Otherwise you can end up with a clutter of useless, outdated, information on your hard drive.

Besides, there are so many free eBooks and sources available that these should be looked at first.

When you feel that you have enough information to decide what area of online marketing you want to enter into then proceed with a few careful purchases.

A few software programs can help out a lot, but only after you have a good idea of what will benefit you and what you think that you may need.

The main thing that everyone needs to do and has to do to succeed is to read and read some more. There are so many free articles and websites that offer good free basic information that you could read constantly for a year, and never finish, but this could become a hindrance.

Do not get sidetracked and only read. You have to make copies of important information and save it so that you can refer to it again and again, or bookmark it. I do both.

You need to set goals. You should try to set up your first website or blog within 7 days, or 2 weeks. Make it a concrete date that you can accomplish. One thing about it is that it can be undone and rebuilt anytime you choose in the beginning.

Later on it will be harder to change, because you will have traffic and people do not like drastic changes.

There is so much more but these are a few things to keep in mind.

If you are serious and fit all of the necessary elements together you could be making a full time income within 6 months time.

It usually takes a year or longer for most that succeed. But there are a few that have had success early on in their attempts.

When I started in 2007 I was primarily using Google AdWords, Msn, and Yahoo for paid advertising and I was doing quite well after 3 months.

I did not keep up with everything and let it all slide so I ended up doing worse and worse as time went on.

Now I seldom use paid advertising. I rely on organic, and free traffic, or traffic that I generate through articles and backlinks.

Yow should remember that over 90% fail but do not let that sway you.

If you learn from your mistakes and never quit you will be one of the success stories.

[bwh1]

Hy Greg, just some quotes here

Originally Posted by gregw2

I value my time and my choices. And I think that WA is okay for some people but no longer for me.

Your correct that WA is NOT the almighty solution for everybody. It's a learning resource for beginners in first place. After you got to make money and build your business the membership will benefit you little, the main part will be the Forum.

I stay there to help my referrals and because I'm loyal to the place who taught me to build my business.

Since you are an affiliate I understand your strong support of them and it pays to sign up members. You can then get your own paid for.

Yes, but I have no problem to recommend it as I do know the quality is far more worth then the price.
Every week there appear new programs where I could become an affiliate and promote them. I hardly to this as I don't recommend what I don't buy or am personally involved with.

I was a member in 2007 and learned some things. I liked their forum, but at the cost of almost 40.00 a month today there are better options for serious people.

I joined in 2007 and there have been some serious additions.

Then name me just ONE program which combines all that you get in WA and which cost less. (Please, don't say profit Lance or I have to puke).

And funny, I find only serious people in WA .

A serious person needs to jump in and begin without any procrastination. They do not need WA or similar programs to light a fire under them. If they do then they should continue with what they are doing.

Well THAT has nothing to do with the course, does it. Procrastination is a problem and if you can't get your butt moving then NO course in the world will get you anywhere.

For some WA is their answer and that is their choice but it is not right for everyone.

Perfectly right.

The free lunch seekers are the ones that buy into instant wealth products and when they are let down enough times are most attracted to membership programs, rather than taking the bold step of learning by trial and error.

Sorry, but the "Free Lunch Seekers" are those who sign up to 50 newsletters to get a free book about whatsoever new trick to make money, to build a list or make a website with 2 clicks.

Who buys a book or program is not a Free Lunch Seeker, as he invest some and should get the best in return for it IMHO.

I was lucky. I never went into the instant wealth products or programs, but I did join WA thinking that It could teach me some things, and it did, but like I said many times now, and will continue to say, it is not worth the cost to me personally.

Absolutely, if you don't see any value in a resource you have to quit.

And congrats to you but 90% of us got scammed before they found a solid resource, myself included.

I seldom use AdWords, and I do not like Blackhat techniques, which are two things that they taught when I was a member.

You're already the second person who talk about "teaching Black Hat" in WA. I can't see ANYTHING related to illegal techniques in WA, sorry. If I'm wrong then please light me what I'm missing here. In fact I'm even MISS sometimes that they teach GREY HAT

If the the software that went along with the membership was up-to-date and excellent then it could change my opinion, but it was not at the time I was a member.

As mentioned, much has changed but I agree with you that not all is perfect. They are constantly updating stuff and since I'm a member they added 3 tools for no extra costs.

I use the best article spinner online and it was given to me for free by a member of the Warriors Forum.

If you talk about "The Best Spinner" from Jonathan Leger, I bought it too. It was only free during Beta testing and everybody had/have to buy it (well worth it by the way).

I use the best Keyword programs and I only paid for one of the eighteen.

I use the best niche and content finders and I only had to purchase one of them.

I have over 500,000 current PLR articles and I never had to pay a dime for any of them.

I have over 2,000 current eBooks and the total cost for all of them was under 50.00.

This is just a tip of what I have collected in 2009, and it is more than I will ever use.

So what does this have ANYTHING to do with "learning Affiliate Marketing" as I recommend WA for ?

And it looks as you are in the "Collection Business" rather then the make money business.

What you need 18 keyword tools for ??? I use 1 free (Google) and 1 paid (Market Samurai) and find niches all the time.

I never received anything concrete from WA, nothing tangible, that I could store on my hard drive, and refer to after I was no longer a member.

Sorry man, but in the Training Center are TONS of down-loadable books and tutorials, then you get free PLR reports and articles in the NicheQ resource, free PLR articles in the Article Spinner and when you join you get (at least Now) a free ebook which is currently sold over Clickbank (no old PLR trash) for about $77 bucks.

Anyway, the VALUE of WA is transferring KNOWLEDGE just as with any other learning resource.

If you learn to drive a car, do you get the car at the end of the course ?

Filling up your HD with stuff isn't actually a task I would recommend.

So there are advantages with a WA membership and there are disadvantages.

It boils down to where in online learning and standing you are that makes it lucrative and beneficial to be a member or not.

Again, I agree 100% here.

It has nothing to do with being too cheap as you put it.

It has everything to do with being smart and using your time and money wisely.

Your business is what is determined by what you create and put into it, and this takes action.

You was the one who told that the $39 aren't worth it and that free stuff is better, not me.

Again, I agree with you that you have to work smart and take action.

Just some don't know WHAT KIND of action to take before they didn't learn what steps to follow.

A running in circles as well take action but won't get anywhere.

It's about FIRST: KNOWING WHAT TO Do and then SECOND: TAKE ACTION to get results.

You can not be afraid of failure to succeed, and the only way to succeed in this business is to dive in and start building an online presence, learning as you go. There are some shortcuts but not that many.

Again, 100% correct and nothing to add here.

G.

[gregw2]

Well, first of all I am a writer and researcher which includes collecting and I have more that one computer and more than one hard drive. So, space is not a problem or concern for me.

I do research on products and programs, including membership sites. Wealthy Affiliate being only one. It gets a "C-" in my rating system and not just in mine. You can check WA's stats online from other sources.

IMreportcard users give a "B", which is higher than my personal rating, and is probably the highest rating online for WA.

Most of the products that they want you to promote are their own and do not even mention quality products that exist online other than what they are promoting.

This is understandable from a marketing view, but for teaching purposes it is rather selfish and less for the student and more for the owners.

If I recommend a product it would, of course, be nice that the person would choose to purchase it through my link but that is not the point of recommending a product, or rather that should not be the point of the product recommendation.

Why are you using paid tools?
With Wealthy Affiliate all of your tools should be for free and top quality, but they are not.

I am guessing that you discovered this and have decided to promote WA for the affiliate money but buy better tools for your own personal use.

As for keyword tools I give a list of all of them that I consider good ones, that are free. Which ones you choose to use is entirely up to you and which ones work better for your needs is a decision that you have to make on your own. There are 18 in all.

There are only three paid keyword tools that I recommend and they are different in their format and approach. But with WA you should not have to pay for any tools if you are paying $39.00 a month, and all of them should be top of the line, which they are not.

As a member for $39.00 a month you should have unlimited domain hosting with unlimited bandwidth.
You should have a top of the line auto responder without any email limits.
You should have one of the best keyword tools.
You should have an excellent site builder.
You should have a niche finder.
And you should have a state of the art article spinner to take your original work and make it even more original.

If this is all too deep for you then I apologize. I despise fake recommendation and review sites. And WA supports these types of sites for their members to put online to generate income. These fake review sites are treated as scams by many, even Google does not like them.

People tire of scam websites that have only one agenda, to take your money by using a ruse of reviewing products, which most of the reviewers have never even tried.

A couple of other Black-hat tricks that Wealthy Affiliate taught and I found to be against my own personal principles are that it is okay to rake testimonials and comments from other websites and post them on your own. In 2007 they were actively teaching that using fake comments and testimonials is alright to do.

This is not okay or alright in my view. I think that it is very dishonest and very low to fake anything and to steal anything from other people, even if you change the words a little bit.

The Search Engines are getting better at detecting these types of actions and this is good.

Just think from a marketing view for a minute. I could create the next great product, an eBook resource containing thousands of fake comments and testimonials for $17.00. All you have to do is copy and paste them onto your website or blog and you have instant ranking by the search engines. You have PLR rights to this eBook and can use it any way you like or you can even sell it for your own personal profit.

This sounds like a perfect Wealthy Affiliate project.

Like I said before WA did have some good aspects about it and I was a member for about one year. The forum was the best part of all of it.

As for downloading any of their eBooks and other material I have better material from other sources that I do not have to pay a whopping $39.00 a month membership to. I have nothing stored on my computer from the time that I was a member. The material was not that good.

There are many forums online that offer as much if not more valuable information about making a living online than WA.

I know that you will disagree with me but that is your opinion and I am not here to change it because you are a member of WA and want to encourage others to join from your affiliate link.

There are a few sites that offer better material than these people do, and it is for free or for far less than $39.00 a month.

Check out Grisly, or Chris Farrell, to start with. I can not include links to all of the sites that I know are good but I can make up a very good list and publish on a site that I write for.

I think that this will be my next project. To make a list of the sites that I know give good quality information on a regular basis for free or for very little cost.

This will not be a review, but more of a data base for people to use to investigate on their own.

I had this on my to-do list but have never gotten around to it.

Thank you for giving me the impetus to begin.

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I will say that you have to start by getting yourself established online.
You can do this by building a website or a blog. It makes no difference. You have to begin and where you begin will only take you somewhere else.

But by beginning you have taken the most important step. Just keep looking forward and you will succeed.

Once you have a site up and it looks good for your own eyes place content onto it, a lot of content, original work, quality work; content that others are searching for and will find value with.

The main thing to remember is that you have to find what others are searching for and give them an answer or solution, or send them to somewhere that offers these answers and solutions.

With this step you will have begun and the search engines will find you because you are supplying something of value and this is what people and search engines are looking for.

Traffic is there for the taking. Once you have the basics you can learn how to generate more traffic, but always, always keep the information seekers in mind, satisfy their needs and you will never want for traffic.

[BilldaCowboy]

Originally Posted by StevenQ12

Not really a scam but certainly a waste of time from my personal experience.
http://www.zses.com/wealthy_affiliate.html

How can you give a personal experience when the review clearly shows that you didn't even join it?

Look folks,

Wealthy Affiliate is the best place for determined individuals. Only about 20% of those that join WA are serious about learning, taking action, and growing...the rest are poor sods that thought it was a magic bullet system.

SORRY!

If you apply what WA teaches then you will be rewarded, as you will have developed skills that will allow to earn money indefinitely (or until the Internet dies)

With that said, it is advisable for people who are either utter beginners or intermediates that know a lot of internet marketing concepts but have trouble ''fitting'' the stuff together.

Is WA worth it?

For the continuous action taker and willing learner..YES

How long should one stay there?

A few months...as you will soon outgrow it...BUT this is supposing that no changes will occur in the online world..therefore it is probably good to stick around...it's your call, but if you aren't making money after a few weeks...maybe you should reconsider internet marketing as a career.

Another thing though...something I just noticed...WA is very popular..as you know, which is why some people say its crap, because they want to steal the traffic interested in WA (which is a sizeable lot) and try and sell them their products, newsletters etc.

Ultimately it's up to you decide. For people really interested still in WA (and who now accept there is no magic bullet system) it might be advisable to see this WA member speaking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsC1h01QWc0

He's definitely pretty sincere (as far as online people go I guess)

But yeah, take action on any technique from a respected coaching facility and success should flow.

BilldaCowboy

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by BilldaCowboy

How can you give a personal experience when the review clearly shows that you didn't even join it?

Look folks,

Wealthy Affiliate is the best place for determined individuals. Only about 20% of those that join WA are serious about learning, taking action, and growing...the rest are poor sods that thought it was a magic bullet system.

SORRY!

If you apply what WA teaches then you will be rewarded, as you will have developed skills that will allow to earn money indefinitely (or until the Internet dies)

With that said, it is advisable for people who are either utter beginners or intermediates that know a lot of internet marketing concepts but have trouble ''fitting'' the stuff together.

Is WA worth it?

For the continuous action taker and willing learner..YES

How long should one stay there?

A few months...as you will soon outgrow it...BUT this is supposing that no changes will occur in the online world..therefore it is probably good to stick around...it's your call, but if you aren't making money after a few weeks...maybe you should reconsider internet marketing as a career.

Another thing though...something I just noticed...WA is very popular..as you know, which is why some people say its crap, because they want to steal the traffic interested in WA (which is a sizeable lot) and try and sell them their products, newsletters etc.

Ultimately it's up to you decide. For people really interested still in WA (and who now accept there is no magic bullet system) it might be advisable to see this WA member speaking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsC1h01QWc0

He's definitely pretty sincere (as far as online people go I guess)

But yeah, take action on any technique from a respected coaching facility and success should flow.

BilldaCowboy

SORRY?
How can anyone take you seriously?
You have one post and you are an affiliate of a site that is suspect.

All anyone can do is treat these people as people, not friends, and remember to check everything that you discover online with due diligence.

I am so tired of WA affiliates coming on this site and telling their lies, and then that is the last that we hear from them. They just disappear, into the Internet ephemeral wisp of . . . WA Bullshit.

[BilldaCowboy]

Originally Posted by gregw2

SORRY?
How can anyone take you seriously?
You have one post and you are an affiliate of a site that is suspect.

All anyone can do is treat these people as people, not friends, and remember to check everything that you discover online with due diligence.

I am so tired of WA affiliates coming on this site and telling their lies, and then that is the last that we hear from them. They just disappear, into the Internet ephemeral wisp of . . . WA Bullshit.

What lies have I told so according to you? Seriously point them from my first post

You said yourself WA was good (and that you'd been there for a year) and now you contradict yourself saying its suspect?

Obviously scam.com is where you like to prey on people so by all means carry on.

I'm a member of WA yes, but that video is the person who helped me decide by giving away free stuff of theirs (my youtube name is MultiBill66). Just don't like it when people try to bash it.

[aleciya]

I am so glad I stumbled on this message board. For the past few hours I've been trying to research ways to make money online. I googled Wealthy Affiliate to find something negative and have found nothing. I really want to get started but I have nothing to sell. One member here mentioned selling their farm products. Will someone like me with no experience, no idea really about online marketing be able to succeed just by being a fast learner, dedicated and hard working?

Please don't B.S. me. I can learn what needs to be learned but I don't want to waste my time. I will keep hitting refresh, hoping for replies soon.

Thanks!

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by aleciya

I am so glad I stumbled on this message board. For the past few hours I've been trying to research ways to make money online. I googled Wealthy Affiliate to find something negative and have found nothing. I really want to get started but I have nothing to sell. One member here mentioned selling their farm products. Will someone like me with no experience, no idea really about online marketing be able to succeed just by being a fast learner, dedicated and hard working?

Please don't B.S. me. I can learn what needs to be learned but I don't want to waste my time. I will keep hitting refresh, hoping for replies soon.

Thanks!

'
Yes, there are ways to make a living online.

They do not include Wealthy Affiliate.

One time. I will tell you to check raief.

[Yeoch]

Hi Aleciya,

May I suggest that you checked 'Real People Real Reviews' site on Wealthy Affiliates? There are 67 comments from members/ex-members of WA there. You may get the answer as to whether it is suitable to you after reading those comments there. Bye.

[The Anvil]

Originally Posted by myglobalresults

I believe Kyle, Carson, Travis are keeping the sheep busy with trivial matters while they go after the gold. It is a classic thing in most of these internet marketing membership programs. For a complete newbie worth the investment for a month or 2 but afterwards your simply wasting your time trying to make pennies while they make dollars.

Agreed, except one thing, you are toooo nice to these clowns! NOOBIES STAY FAR FAR FAAARRRR AWAY!!!!

WHY? Because, as you can read clearly, in the above post, you make pennies, and you are corralled into working for THEM, instead of yourself. They spoon feed you just enough to keep you dumb as sheep, which is how they refer to you behind your back!

But, the number one reason, is that they do business with Tissa Godavitarne

Just see my posts on the acme people search thread, and check out my website, but definitely see my posts at scam.com

Any honorable online business person would warn you about tissa, but these guys are in partnership with tissa, so, that says who they are!

There's a saying in Greece that goes like this, "Tell me who your friends are, and I will know EXACTLY who YOU ARE!

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by BilldaCowboy

What lies have I told so according to you? Seriously point them from my first post

You said yourself WA was good (and that you'd been there for a year) and now you contradict yourself saying its suspect?

Obviously scam.com is where you like to prey on people so by all means carry on.

I'm a member of WA yes, but that video is the person who helped me decide by giving away free stuff of theirs (my youtube name is MultiBill66). Just don't like it when people try to bash it.

Yes I was a member that is why I am critical of it. As I explained, some of the techniques that they teach and support are highly suspect and not to my liking.

Such as the phony comments and the raking of material from other sites.

They also spent most of their ****** on trying to get the members to promote their products and others that they chose, instead of teaching quality methods that other online coaching teaches.

There are far better choices online than WA and people that promote it as a great coaching site and program are not telling the truth (one lie).

For what they teach and what members learn it is not worth the time or the cost. There are just too many better products and sites that do a much better job of teaching, and that offer better tools for far less cost.

[BilldaCowboy]

Originally Posted by gregw2

Yes I was a member that is why I am critical of it. As I explained, some of the techniques that they teach and support are highly suspect and not to my liking.

Such as the phony comments and the raking of material from other sites.

They also spent most of their ****** on trying to get the members to promote their products and others that they chose, instead of teaching quality methods that other online coaching teaches.

There are far better choices online than WA and people that promote it as a great coaching site and program are not telling the truth (one lie).

For what they teach and what members learn it is not worth the time or the cost. There are just too many better products and sites that do a much better job of teaching, and that offer better tools for far less cost.

As far as I can see from the site, phony comments and stealing others content is not preached at all...maybe they've edited it out.

Yes, they do point to the fact that one can be an affiliate of the program, but there is also the NicheQ system which also lays out more niches/recommeneded products.

Nevertheless the coaching on ppc and article marketing/ email marketing is top notch.

Unlimited web hosting too is a new update.

But at the end of the day WA is a university, and I can assure any beginner reading this that if you enter it and apply what they teach you'll see success.

When you're having success, is it important to stay at WA...

NO

Which just goes to show it's done its job!!

[bwh1]

'
gregw2
Yes, there are ways to make a living online.

They do not include Wealthy Affiliate.

One time. I will tell you to check raief.

You know gregw2, I just HATE it if someone call me ignorant and a scammer because I talk about something I'm part off, where I offer support (over 2600 posts in the forum) and which has quality.

Funny is that you recommend all the time to visit your site telling that YOU know stuff which is WAY BETTER, then on your Blog I find a bunch of Affiliate Links from Clickbank and other places to make you money. Where is the ALL IS FREE stuff ?

You are not a bit better then me and if I'm a scammer, you are too.

Man, you have been a WA member in 2007 (maybe you haven't, who knows?) but even after years online and with all your wisdom about making money, all you have to show is that site in your sig ?

Things change at light speed online and WA changed. Some what you say about WA was maybe a point 3 years ago but about WA teaching ilegal Black Hat stuff ?? This is simply A LIE.

I challange you. Join WA now, proof to me and show me that they teach ilegal stuff (Black hat is ilegal) and I will PAY YOU your memberhsip fee back in double = $78 bucks.

But if you can't proof it, do some community work to pay off your debt with me, you don't have to give me anything.

And about using consumer testimonials/reviews. Maybe you know Chris Rempel, a authority and well known IM, as well recognized at the Warrior Forum. He has a whole course about using other peoples content on your site to rank high in the SERPs?!

That's not forbidden, nor ilegal. I'm all for working smarter, not harder. Tell me If I'm wrong but I believe you use RSS content feeds on your Blog ? This is other peoples content, isn't it ?

First I thought that you have some valid points, but after seeing that you recommend in each post to take a look at your Blog full of affiliate links

G.

[gregw2]

Originally Posted by bwh1

You know gregw2, I just HATE it if someone call me ignorant and a scammer because I talk about something I'm part off, where I offer support (over 2600 posts in the forum) and which has quality.

Funny is that you recommend all the time to visit your site telling that YOU know stuff which is WAY BETTER, then on your Blog I find a bunch of Affiliate Links from Clickbank and other places to make you money. Where is the ALL IS FREE stuff ?

You are not a bit better then me and if I'm a scammer, you are too.

Man, you have been a WA member in 2007 (maybe you haven't, who knows?) but even after years online and with all your wisdom about making money, all you have to show is that site in your sig ?

Things change at light speed online and WA changed. Some what you say about WA was maybe a point 3 years ago but about WA teaching ilegal Black Hat stuff ?? This is simply A LIE.

I challange you. Join WA now, proof to me and show me that they teach ilegal stuff (Black hat is ilegal) and I will PAY YOU your memberhsip fee back in double = $78 bucks.

But if you can't proof it, do some community work to pay off your debt with me, you don't have to give me anything.

And about using consumer testimonials/reviews. Maybe you know Chris Rempel, a authority and well known IM, as well recognized at the Warrior Forum. He has a whole course about using other peoples content on your site to rank high in the SERPs?!

That's not forbidden, nor ilegal. I'm all for working smarter, not harder. Tell me If I'm wrong but I believe you use RSS content feeds on your Blog ? This is other peoples content, isn't it ?

First I thought that you have some valid points, but after seeing that you recommend in each post to take a look at your Blog full of affiliate links

G.

You almost sound nasty when you get defensive. Something you ate?

I challenge you, read on and spend your money on something that will do you good.

You need to do some community service for promoting WA to a lot of new people online when there are better programs and products available for them to learn from with less cost and more value.

First of all on Raief they are not all affiliate links and most of the recommendations are for free. In fact the free links on the posts and in the resources categories far outnumber the ones that are not for free.

The ones that charge are for products that we have used and liked. I do not recommend anything that I do not like myself. That is why I would not recommend WA to someone just learning on the Internet.

I recommended WA in the beginning of my membership, but after two months I stopped.

As to my sites. I own about 30 at this time. I do not advertise my own sites on places like scam.com. Raief exposes scams and offers alternatives that are not scams.The other two links are sites that I have free memberships in and I value their products.

I have since added a fourth link, Chris Farrell's 26 Free videos on how to start a business online.

On Raief there is only one ongoing membership site on the recommended products page. That is Chris Farrell's and the link is to his 26 Free Videos on how to build an online business. He also gives away a free eBook that teaches you how to build and set up a website in 36 hours. His reputation is impeccable.

The Niche blogger is a coaching site that teaches everything that anyone needs to know about how to earn a living online with blogs. It is far less cost than WA and very effective. It takes 9 months or less to complete, and it can be paid for with a onetime payment of less than $200.00.

The AdSense Master Plan is free and has a complete set of video training.

There are two eBook courses by the Benwell brothers that cost a few dollars but the material that they share is worth more than what the cost is.
Yes, these two are affiliate links, but I recommend them because of what they contain. I do not recommend eBooks, or products that I do not like or use, just for the hope of making a sale or two.

PLR Wholesaler is free and contains a lot of valuable content. He does try to get you to buy more product but there is a lot of excellent content that is free.

Nitro blogger supplies 10 complete sites a month with content. It is a very good resource for material as well as complete sites. Far less expensive than anyone else online offering similar products. I have a free membership.

The monthly content club is free and gives you one complete AdSense site a month for free.

The Minisite formula is a series of many videos and eBooks that teaches everything that anyone needs to know for less than a hundred dollars.

WordPress Goldmine is a membership site that has a forum, videos, eBooks, and a lot of extras. It is another excellent step by step WordPress guide and tutorial.

The other links are for free traffic and for free website templates.

If you bothered to check, rather than accuse, you would see that only four out of thirteen of the sites have Clickbank links.

Not one of these are as expensive as Wealthy Affiliate and two of them are better than WA by far.

And some of the affiliate links are for more freebies not monetary compensation.

Like I said before I do not recommend a product or a program for the sake of money. I only recommend what I have found to have substance and value.

I am currently reviewing My Blogging Blueprint, but I have not completed it so I am not recommending it yet. If it turns out to be a worthwhile investment and learning tool then I will recommend it.

And as for WA in 2007 when I was a member they only offered hosting for 3 sites and the tools that they had available were not as good as others available elsewhere.

During the time that I was a member the owners seldom interacted with the members. They seemed to only be involved in making money for themselves rather than operating anything that resembled a teaching platform.The members had to rely upon one another for most of the answers to questions.

It reminded me of Success University which I equate to a ripoff and borderline scam. I was a member SU for a while before joining WA. It is another program that calls itself a University.

If you want someone that really gives value and serious coaching check out Chris Farrell. He puts Wealthy Affiliate to shame and leaves them in the dust for honesty and teaching skills.

Being an affiliate with affiliate links is how you can earn some residual income. If you are a member of a site about becoming an affiliate why would you attack me for having affiliate links to sites that I use and like?

At least I am not promoting products of little value or that cost more than they are worth.

It is much more honest than what they teach where you are going to school. WA was teaching to set up fake review sites when I was a member, and probably still do. Which is outright lying to the public, just to make a few dollars.

You apparently have not learned very much. RSS is not content. It is feeds. It feeds the content and new articles and posts from my site to other sites, if they want to post it, not from their site to my site.

You can set up feeds that will place content on your own site from other sites but that is not what the RSS that you are referring to on Raief is. It is like a news feed that lets other sites know when there is new content.

WA was teaching blackhat methods for traffic and for content when I was a member. And if they are still teaching and promoting fake review sites this is another black hat technique. The Search Engines do not like these kinds of sites and Google penalizes them when it discovers them, for good reason.

So call me a liar but you are deceiving yourself if you think that fake reviews, fake content, fake comments are not blackhat techniques. and when I was a member they actively taught these.

And I was a member of the Warrior Forum before my WA membership but just by being a member does make anyone right. There are many affiliates and members that I do not agree with. Apparently you do believe it is okay to rake content from other sites. If you ever get caught it is called copyright infringement and it is not legal.

Even if you do not get caught it is not ethical. It is stealing, and I do not care for people that do it nor do I condone it. There is far too much material online that is free, or PLR material that is very inexpensive, that can be used before resorting to stealing content from someone's website.

And I would never join something that I did not like that much and quit in the first place. So save your money. In fact spend your money on some decent software that will help you more that the software that they supply you with, or purchase some PLR content so you do not have to steal it from another site, or spend it more wisely and join a better program than WA, maybe Chris Farrell's membership site.

The free stuff is easy to find on Raief. It is clearly labeled Free Stuff. And there is a lot of free informative posts every week with new information on how to do things online that will help you to make money. Free Stuff,Tips & Tricks, and Free Resources Directory, are just three of the places that have lots of valuable information.

We list almost every free keyword tool and 18 different free niche marketing research tools. The 2 largest and most comprehensive lists online; to name only 2 of the valuable free resources that are offered on Raief.


This is why the site gets so much traffic. It is Google Rank of 3, Alexa US Rank of 92,870, and Alexa WW of 448,327. In only 5 months since I started taking over most of the Admin duties, it climbed from Google of 0, over 3,000,000 Alexa. So someone finds the Free Stuff, and likes it, and they keep coming back for more.

You just did not want to see the free stuff.

Tell us all what products you are an affiliate for. I am sure that you do not want to list them publicly like I do. We know about WA, but lets hear about all of the other ones.

You see, I am not afraid to show mine because I am proud to be an affiliate of them. True, I have purchased products that turned out not be very good, but I do not promote them, and I do not do fake reviews of products.

I accept posts from my brothers and two other occasional site members but I check out the products myself and make sure that they are good enough for our site.

I will also take down any links to products or sites if they are proven to be of little value.

Raief is going to become a very large site in the years to come and the value of the free information is what will make it so, not affiliate links.

Some information will change over time because the Internet changes daily, but the principles behind the site will remain the same and the information will continue to help people for free, as long as I am contributing.

And you do not have to pay to become a member. We will continue to recommend products and sites that are free and products that are not free but of good value and substance, and post scam alerts when we uncover them.

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Another nice promotion of your raief site.

Originally Posted by gregw2

You almost sound nasty when you get defensive. Something you ate?

Yep, some gregs and beer - those don't match.

Look, guess you didn't read this threads title. It's about WA and if you like it or not and why.

You made your point, you don't like it.

There's no need to point in each post to your site and mention in details what you like where people find all kinds of offers, from Forex trading over Article submission software.

First of all on Raief they are not all affiliate links and most of the recommendations are for free. In fact the free links on the posts and in the resources categories far outnumber the ones that are not for free.

If you bothered to check, rather than accuse, you would see that only four out of thirteen of the sites have Clickbank links.

Well, I checked. Clickbank isn't the only affiliate program you promote.

You have 10 affiliate links in the FREE RESOURCES section only.

Promoting Free products as affiliate is OK, but usually they have an up sell options cause they are limited to use. Not saying that what you promote is crap but you could have posted the direct links in stead of your affiliate links if you wanna be such a helpful person only offering free stuff. Or tell your visitors that there are upsells and that those are affiliate links.

A free tip to Mr. "know it all", you should update your site to make it FTC compatible because your TOS page alone won't cover your butt with all those direct affiliate links.

And as for WA in 2007 when I was a member they only offered hosting for 3 sites and the tools that they had available were not as good as others available elsewhere.

Time changes and Hosting upgraded. For Newbies it's perfect to start out building their first sites with $0 extra costs. For myself with dozens of sites it's useless. Anyhow not a reason to say it's bad as this depends on your level in IM.

Being an affiliate with affiliate links is how you can earn some residual income. If you are a member of a site about becoming an affiliate why would you attack me for having affiliate links to sites that I use and like?

I don't attack you for being a affiliate, after all I'm an affiliate myself. But my sig link point's to a in depth REVIEW of WA on a Hubpage, while you point to your main site with a ton of links. You should at least give a little review about each of your recommendations to make your visitors understand your point of view.

It is much more honest than what they teach where you are going to school. WA was teaching to set up fake review sites when I was a member, and probably still do. Which is outright lying to the public, just to make a few dollars.

WA was teaching blackhat methods for traffic and for content when I was a member. And if they are still teaching and promoting fake review sites this is another black hat technique. The Search Engines do not like these kinds of sites and Google penalizes them when it discovers them, for good reason.

So call me a liar but you are deceiving yourself if you think that fake reviews, fake content, fake comments are not blackhat techniques. and when I was a member they actively taught these.

Again, this is straight out A LIE. I don't know what in WA you refer to and already offered you to join NOW and show me what's illegal there. I'll refund you your $39 x2.

WA was teaching blackhat methods for traffic and for content when I was a member. And if they are still teaching and promoting fake review sites this is another black hat technique. The Search Engines do not like these kinds of sites and Google penalizes them when it discovers them, for good reason.

Maybe you refer here to the Feeder sites. Those are not blackhat but yes, useless if you ain't change the content. But that's widely explained and discussed. Many other learning resources offer COPY&PASTE products as the all mighty solution, not WA. The feeder sites are ony to run a quick promotion if you ain't have a site when you joined as a newbie.

So call me a liar but you are deceiving yourself if you think that fake reviews, fake content, fake comments are not blackhat techniques. and when I was a member they actively taught these.

Apparently you do believe it is okay to rake content from other sites. If you ever get caught it is called copyright infringement and it is not legal.

Get that, Ezinearticle is the best and biggest Article directory and guess what, article directories do use ONLY OTHER PEOPLES CONTENT.

The point is The Way You Do This, and any marketer would be crazy if he don't recommend you to play by the rules. Sharing content following each sites TOS is absolutely OK and normal.

We caught a few weeks ago a guy stealing content from a WA member, posting it on STEVEPEIRCE.COM. We actually fight such scammers, believe it or not.

The free stuff is easy to find on Raief. It is clearly labeled Free Stuff. And there is a lot of free informative posts every week with new information on how to do things online that will help you to make money. Free Stuff,Tips & Tricks, and Free Resources Directory, are just three of the places that have lots of valuable information.

Like mentioned, 10 affiliate links in the Free Resources Directory

You just did not want to see the free stuff.

I have enough material myself, no need for your offers, thanks.

Tell us all what products you are an affiliate for. I am sure that you do not want to list them publicly like I do. We know about WA, but lets hear about all of the other ones.

You see, that's the difference.

I don't SPAM the forum with my recommendations but maybe you know people like Chris Rempel, Ed Dale from 30DC, Kevin Riley, Mike Hill, the Stompernet guy's and Howie Schwartz, James Schramko, Travis Sago, lately the Video Boss Andy Jenkins and many other marketers who overdeliver value.

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