Barry Bonds Steroid Use

[geo®ge]

Should Barry Bonds' homerun records be erased from the books due to his "alleged" steroid use?

Bonds has 703 homers, trailing only Aaron (755) and Babe Ruth (714).

December 11, 2004:
Dusty Baker believes Barry Bonds didn't know the substances provided by his trainer were steroids. Read Full Story

December 12, 2004:
Alou thinks the reports of alleged steroid use will change baseball's outlook on performance-enhancing substances. Read Full Story


Personally, I think the MLB has know about steroids and looked the other way.More homeruns, means more people buying tickets, meaning more people watching the games. A boring game now has a greater general interest with more scoring. So if the MLB is going to punish Barry Bonds by erasing all his homeruns from it's records then I think he should sue them for a billion dollars.

[Mistamoneybags]

Originally Posted by geo®ge

Should Barry Bonds' homerun records be erased from the books due to his "alleged" steroid use?

Bonds has 703 homers, trailing only Aaron (755) and Babe Ruth (714).

December 11, 2004:
Dusty Baker believes Barry Bonds didn't know the substances provided by his trainer were steroids. Read Full Story

December 12, 2004:
Alou thinks the reports of alleged steroid use will change baseball's outlook on performance-enhancing substances. Read Full Story


Personally, I think the MLB has know about steroids and looked the other way.More homeruns, means more people buying tickets, meaning more people watching the games. A boring game now has a greater general interest with more scoring. So if the MLB is going to punish Barry Bonds by erasing all his homeruns from it's records then I think he should sue them for a billion dollars.

Why not just suspend him for 12 months? (without match payments, of course)

3 things will happen

1. Bonds will have to play for at least one extra year to break the record. (if he can last)

2. The team will suffer because they might not win as many games.

3. The club will suffer because of a loss of sponsorship and gate revenue.

If the owners of the clubs knew that they run the risk of going broke by giving their players drugs, they would think twice about it!

You won't stop drugs in sport by taking away the achievements of the players. You stand a better chance by making the clubs suffer financially.

Cheers, Wilson.

[Charlotte]

Dusty Baker believes Barry Bonds didn't know the substances provided by his trainer were steroids.

Of course you would know if you were taking steroids. Other than the fact that there are many side effects associated with steriod usage, there is information and pamphlets out there for all sports people with what medicines they can and can't take and what the maximum dosage is. Its not like steriods are in your standard cough and cold prescriptions. It is also up to the athlete themselves to do the research on whether or not it is ok. Blaming the trainer is an easy option as the trainer will be covered legally anyway so no one looses out. And at that level of sport, the trainer should be qualified enough to know better. Its cheating and isn't fair on the hard working guys who can't afford a chemist.

[CowboyJimmy]

Maybe we should also start a posting thread for Refeal Palmero.. What a Dumb @ss..

[entrepeneurman2006]

no doubt in my mind he has used them regularly.

[SmartMPGdotcom]

Barry Bonds Steroid Use

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[kmmaris]

I think the Rafeal Palmeiro fiasco was a major scam by MLB. They post poned his suspension for their own good until after he surpassed major goals. They also should know for a fact whether he was lying to Congress because major league players were tested prior to his testimony. In fact the year before, more than 5% of the players failed. I think MLB knows for a fact he was lying and will try to hide that knowledge from congress. He either did or did not fail a previous drug test.

Also, I think McQwire purposely put the Andro for view of the reporters so that he could say it was legal at the time so that he would not have to answer other steroid questions. His records should be erased. Roger Maris should still be considered the home run seasonal record holder. McQwire used the same "killdeer" tactic to call attention to one thing so they would not dig deeper that Clinton did by saying "he did not inhale." He said that because he knew it was so ludricous that the press would take the red herring and not follow up on cocaine use. It worked and he did not have to answer one cocaine use question. McQwire did not have to answer one steroid question after leaving the Andro in full view of the reporters. They took the story and ran with it and forgot to pursue the other questions. You do not have to look farther than pictures of McQwire and Bonds to notice that they may have had help from steroids. Or look at Raffy's hitting numbers after he joined the Rangers with Conseco. Look at his numbers in a slump at the first of the year and look at the sharp up swing.

Then examine this year's home run numbers. Cheating was rampant. HGH and Gene replacement are next. I feel sorry for the guys who did not make the majors because guys using drugs took their spot.

Also remember steroids are not all about muscle it also can cut recovery from injury time by 75%. Look at how long Bonds is taking to recover now frrom injury compared to the past. Also, look at his roid rage attitude of the past compared to last interviews. Also, Raffy is the spokesperson for viagra - what do steroid users suffer from - yep erectile disfunction.

The answers are right in front of us. We just choose to look the other way.

[CHARGER]

Originally Posted by geo®ge

Should Barry Bonds' homerun records be erased from the books due to his "alleged" steroid use?

Bonds has 703 homers, trailing only Aaron (755) and Babe Ruth (714).

December 11, 2004:
Dusty Baker believes Barry Bonds didn't know the substances provided by his trainer were steroids. Read Full Story

December 12, 2004:
Alou thinks the reports of alleged steroid use will change baseball's outlook on performance-enhancing substances. Read Full Story


Personally, I think the MLB has know about steroids and looked the other way.More homeruns, means more people buying tickets, meaning more people watching the games. A boring game now has a greater general interest with more scoring. So if the MLB is going to punish Barry Bonds by erasing all his homeruns from it's records then I think he should sue them for a billion dollars.

All of the records at the end of the century are now suspect,except pitching. No one has shown that they can throw 110.

[dgraviano]

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[Synik]

I'm a former competitive bodybuilder (natural class) and weightlifter....Trust me Barry knows juice.

[heatwaveo8]

Good poll. I don't think we'll ever know the entire truth directly from his mouth.

[DrinkyJay]

Barry is one of Proffessional Sports largest rectums! I can't wait until the truth is revealed for all to see what a cheater he is.

[Rickriprock]

Bonds is batting under .150 and is starting off terribly. Suspending him does nothing to help the team or hurt him. The man needs to be banned from baseball if in fact he did anything illegal; however, the fact remains that he still put the ball on the bat and hit a home run more times than anyone but Hank Aaron. You can kick him out of baseball, but you can't take that away from him, just as no one can take away the fact that Pete Rose will always be Mr. Hustle and as good or better than most men already in the Hall of Fame.

[TheCaptainOfDude]

I read the "...Shadows" book; not impressed; shoddy reporting; not a fan of Bonds but it is going to be hard to prove; no proof, no scam and no way his records should be restricted with the dreaded * or anything at all. Again, not a Bonds fan; "yes" he took'em but I cannot prove it. The MLB has a STOUT union and a winnie for a commish; the dude could hit (but not this season); besides, the proof in the "cream" or "pudding" will be "clear" to all of us in five years or sooner; the effects of the 'roids will get Barry Bonds. Just like the others who have trouble(s) with health and or have died, Barry will pay for his "clear" and his "cream".

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Originally Posted by TheCaptainOfDude

I read the "...Shadows" book; not impressed; shoddy reporting; not a fan of Bonds but it is going to be hard to prove; no proof, no scam and no way his records should be restricted with the dreaded * or anything at all. Again, not a Bonds fan; "yes" he took'em but I cannot prove it. The MLB has a STOUT union and a winnie for a commish; the dude could hit (but not this season); besides, the proof in the "cream" or "pudding" will be "clear" to all of us in five years or sooner; the effects of the 'roids will get Barry Bonds. Just like the others who have trouble(s) with health and or have died, Barry will pay for his "clear" and his "cream".

Never read the book, just kick him out of the league and the problem would be solved for good. make him an example to everyone, I feel it for our DH, but you have to start somewhere. Go Rocket Go!

[luciano]

Everyone was using steroids including pitchers. Barry Bonds was a HOF player before he started doing steroids, which I believe was around 2002 or 2003, he is gonna bust Hank's record but it doesnt mean that much, just as when Hank broke Babe's record it didnt mean as much, we are talking 3 different eras. 500 Home runs isnt what it used to be, 600 is the new 500. People are making much ado about nothing. To me what Babe Ruth did was really amazing because fences were 50 feet farther back, the ball was "dead", and pitchers were better and were allowed to cheat more often(spitballs, scuffed balls, vaseline,etc.). Just as Hank Aarons mark will always mean more to me than Bonds(unless Bonds ends up with 900). I dont see anyone up in arms that a guy like Brady Anderson hit 50 homers one season or Jay Bell hit 40 one year. Im a Pittsburgh fan and remember Jay Bell averaging about 5 HR's a year for us, I also remember Bonds winning MVP's in Pittsburgh way before he was ever doing steroids. Bonds was HOF before he took Steroids so he should be HOF after, but I do think his record shouldn't be taken that seriously when he does break it because its not that big of deal. It's a shame Griffey JR. had all those injuries because he would be the one with the record and not Bonds.

[GeneralTsoGood]

i voted for "nothing" simply because if baseball has let it slide for this long and has never proven his steroid use, its their own fault.

[bogie]

I agree with the general. He has to be one of the most tested athletes in the world. If they haven't found anything after all this time let it go. Same was true with Lance Armstrong. I'm just happy to be watching what might be the best baseball player ever.

[bogie]

Originally Posted by Mistamoneybags

Why not just suspend him for 12 months?Cheers, Wilson.

So he should be punnished BEFORE he is convicted? Thought we had the presumtion of innocence in this country.

[bogie]

Originally Posted by entrepeneurman2006

no doubt in my mind he has used them regularly.

And what erased the doubt in your mind? Not the news media I hope.

[WreckognizeTheseScams!]

Originally Posted by bogie

I agree with the general. He has to be one of the most tested athletes in the world. If they haven't found anything after all this time let it go. Same was true with Lance Armstrong. I'm just happy to be watching what might be the best baseball player ever.

So he should be punnished BEFORE he is convicted? Thought we had the presumtion of innocence in this country.



Wow, Big Daddy this may the only thing you and I may ever agree upon...I honestly have to admit I actually agree with what you said...

[yossarian]

He admitted using steroids to a federal grand jury, but claims he didn't know what they were. The BALCO guy gave him "the cream," and apparently he simply used it without asking what it was.

To most people, this is highly suspect... somewhat akin to Clinton's "how do you define sex" defense in the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

That said, considering the actual contents of his testimony, it's going to be tough to prove he was lying, so MLB's hands are tied. They've only just begun enforcing a fairly stringent testing policy, so hopefully something like this can be avoided in the future.

Yeah, Bonds will break the record, but Hank Aaron, the current record holder and epitome of class, has already said he won't attend. How sad is that?

Although Bonds is undoubtedly one of the greatest talents to ever play the game, drug use or not, there will be an enormous asterisk next to his name in the minds of the majority of baseball fans. I seriously doubt this will bother Bonds one bit, however. Going by his public appearances and everything reported on him by journalists and ex-teammates alike, the guy lives in his own little self-centered world, almost to the point of clinical narcissism.

[jigglepete]

So, let us hear from one of his contemporaries on the issue...

Q. Have you ever used performance-enhancing drugs?

A. "No, I never have...I know people pick on Barry [Bonds] because of the steroid thing. [But] this is a sport that no matter what you use, you still have to have natural ability to play it, and what Barry does is unbelievable. I don't know if he did it. I can't tell you about that. I just see him as one of the best in the game."

That was a quote from David "Big Papi" Ortiz, a really classy guy, if you ask me...

[yossarian]

It's difficult to compare two completely different eras in a sport like baseball. Notwithstanding the belief of some that, for a variety of reasons, it is easier to hit home runs at this point in history than it was in the time of Ruth and Aaron, the chief benefit of steroids for a player like Bonds is longevity. (And the home run record is all about longevity.)

One could make a convincing argument that Bonds would not have hit nearly as many home runs so late in his career were it not for the muscle regenerative (quick-healing) benefits given him by his steroid use. When players get older, they get tired easier, and it takes them a lot longer to recover from the day-to-day grind of athletic competition. Eliminate that natural exhaustion from an aging superstar, and his prime years are miraculously extended, even improved (in cases such as Bonds and McGuire.) ...Yeah, I think McGuire did 'em too.

It doesn't take anything away from his skill as a player. Bonds may very well be the best who's ever lived, steroids or not. But as for the record itself, in my opinion it is completely deligitimized, due not only to what steroids did for his strength, but especially what it did for his stamina.

Point is, who knows how many more home runs Aaron would have hit had he been aided by synthetic drugs late in his career.

[jigglepete]

Originally Posted by yossarian

It's difficult to compare two completely different eras in a sport like baseball. Notwithstanding the belief of some that, for a variety of reasons, it is easier to hit home runs at this point in history than it was in the time of Ruth and Aaron, the chief benefit of steroids for a player like Bonds is longevity. (And the home run record is all about longevity.)

One could make a convincing argument that Bonds would not have hit nearly as many home runs so late in his career were it not for the muscle regenerative (quick-healing) benefits given him by his steroid use. When players get older, they get tired easier, and it takes them a lot longer to recover from the day-to-day grind of athletic competition. Eliminate that natural exhaustion from an aging superstar, and his prime years are miraculously extended, even improved (in cases such as Bonds and McGuire.) ...Yeah, I think McGuire did 'em too.

It doesn't take anything away from his skill as a player. Bonds may very well be the best who's ever lived, steroids or not. But as for the record itself, in my opinion it is completely deligitimized, due not only to what steroids did for his strength, but especially what it did for his stamina.

Point is, who knows how many more home runs Aaron would have hit had he been aided by synthetic drugs late in his career.

You bring up many thoughtful points...

[ashberry]

Originally Posted by yossarian

He admitted using steroids to a federal grand jury, but claims he didn't know what they were. The BALCO guy gave him "the cream," and apparently he simply used it without asking what it was.

To most people, this is highly suspect... somewhat akin to Clinton's "how do you define sex" defense in the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

That said, considering the actual contents of his testimony, it's going to be tough to prove he was lying, so MLB's hands are tied. They've only just begun enforcing a fairly stringent testing policy, so hopefully something like this can be avoided in the future.

Yeah, Bonds will break the record, but Hank Aaron, the current record holder and epitome of class, has already said he won't attend. How sad is that?

Although Bonds is undoubtedly one of the greatest talents to ever play the game, drug use or not, there will be an enormous asterisk next to his name in the minds of the majority of baseball fans. I seriously doubt this will bother Bonds one bit, however. Going by his public appearances and everything reported on him by journalists and ex-teammates alike, the guy lives in his own little self-centered world, almost to the point of clinical narcissism.

I believe the questions were ask of Aaron, if he would fly to where ever Bonds would most likely break his record. The question in itself was crafted to see a reaction. Aaron does not have a problem with anyone breaking the record, and knows that Bonds will break it, same as Bonds knows others will break his season record and lifetime home run record. Aaron hardly even goes to see the Braves play, although he's VP of some aspect of the Braves. Asked what he would be doing when the record would be broken, he replied, he didn't know, maybe playing golf. If that reporter asked you or me what we would be doing, we would say, I don't know, maybe eating at Piggly wiggly? Or watching the game on the local pub? We don't know for sure what we will do, but I don't think that Aaron has a problem.

[ashberry]

Originally Posted by jigglepete

So, let us hear from one of his contemporaries on the issue...

Q. Have you ever used performance-enhancing drugs?

A. "No, I never have...I know people pick on Barry [Bonds] because of the steroid thing. [But] this is a sport that no matter what you use, you still have to have natural ability to play it, and what Barry does is unbelievable. I don't know if he did it. I can't tell you about that. I just see him as one of the best in the game."

That was a quote from David "Big Papi" Ortiz, a really classy guy, if you ask me...

I would say that Aaron was Mr. Consistency, every year he would hit about 44 home runs, nothing spectacular, their were simply home runs and in those days the ballparks were not as big as they are now. Their was not closers, no setup men. Pitchers played the whole 9 innings, and the starting rotation was made up of three or four at the most. Yes, they had bullpens, pitchers also had to bad their turn. The fatigue and wear on those pitchers in denial of pain was one thing the batters like Frank Robinson, Boog Powell, Harmon Killebrew, Tony Perez, Willie Mays, and the rest took advantage. Then of coarse, all of the players did not condition themselves during the off season as they do now. One thing somebody should do is to find out what velocity the pitchers threw back then compared to now. The strike zones, what percentage of home runs were done on such and said innings. The playing fields, the elements of bats, balls, strike zone (0k, I mentioned that before). I also believe that buses were the mode of transporation for players in the earlier years, while now they use planes. All in all, Bonds is a great player, maybe one of the best, his numbers in the past years for slugging, on base percentage and strikeouts have been some of the best figures never seen before since the Babe. Big monster Home Runs were first seen from the bats of Frank Howard Washington Senators, Bo Jackson Kansas City Royals, and Jose Canseco Oakland A's.

[nastyoldfred]

Bobby Bonds was much more admirable of a man this son of his is a pathetic joke half the man daddy was. Check yourself into a clinic fast you worthless &#&#(@

[snarkfest]

I take a wait and see approach to this issue of did or did not. Time will tell us the verdict and the bat will proof otherwise if testing is done on a periodic timetable.

[seyrani]

Doubt he did it, news sells and those that worked in the SF chroncal had to sell a story tainted by someone who had some inside information from testimony. We don't know what was inside and how it could have been altered.

[charon]

The Babe, and Hank Aaron did it with beers, hot dogs, and sweat! …Barry how did you do it?!!!

[FAQ]

Originally Posted by bogie

I agree with the general. He has to be one of the most tested athletes in the world. If they haven't found anything after all this time let it go. Same was true with Lance Armstrong. I'm just happy to be watching what might be the best baseball player ever.

add me in there too. how many other players are using the stuff? take it one step further and inquire about all professional sports. does anyone here believe that pro football players don't use anything? ha!

[FAQ]

Originally Posted by yossarian

He admitted using steroids to a federal grand jury, but claims he didn't know what they were. The BALCO guy gave him "the cream," and apparently he simply used it without asking what it was.

To most people, this is highly suspect... somewhat akin to Clinton's "how do you define sex" defense in the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

That said, considering the actual contents of his testimony, it's going to be tough to prove he was lying, so MLB's hands are tied. They've only just begun enforcing a fairly stringent testing policy, so hopefully something like this can be avoided in the future.

Yeah, Bonds will break the record, but Hank Aaron, the current record holder and epitome of class, has already said he won't attend. How sad is that?

Although Bonds is undoubtedly one of the greatest talents to ever play the game, drug use or not, there will be an enormous asterisk next to his name in the minds of the majority of baseball fans. I seriously doubt this will bother Bonds one bit, however. Going by his public appearances and everything reported on him by journalists and ex-teammates alike, the guy lives in his own little self-centered world, almost to the point of clinical narcissism.

do you think that aaron might resent the fact that he will be losing his title not only to a drug user, but a black man as well? just something to consider that he may resent anyone breaking his record. anything is possible

[terry05_99]

Cheating has always been part of sports. Especially since so much money is to be made. Baseball did nothing about this, they loved the fact that these guys (bonds, mcguirre, sosa and others) were hitting home runs...repairing damage done because of the skrike. If they wanted to stop the abuse of illegal steriod use they would have taken a different stance. 3 strikes your out hardly was an attempt to stop there use.

[edlawton]

Originally Posted by terry05_99

Cheating has always been part of sports. Especially since so much money is to be made. Baseball did nothing about this, they loved the fact that these guys (bonds, mcguirre, sosa and others) were hitting home runs...repairing damage done because of the skrike. If they wanted to stop the abuse of illegal steriod use they would have taken a different stance. 3 strikes your out hardly was an attempt to stop there use.

Well said! The MLB had no interest in trying to stop the steroid use in the late 90's. Why the heck would they? Balls were flying out of parks and the fans were back in full force.
Me, I could care less if they are doing roids or not. If I played in the big leagues and taking steroids meant that I could financially take care of my family for the rest of their lives, I'd take them.

[Twilight]

Originally Posted by FAQ

do you think that aaron might resent the fact that he will be losing his title not only to a drug user, but a black man as well? just something to consider that he may resent anyone breaking his record. anything is possible

I don't think it would bother Hank, as he is African-American, and the last MLB player to have played in the Negro Leagues. In fact, Aaron endured a lot of racism and even death threats as he beat Babe Ruth's home run record.

As for Barry, his days are numbered anyway. A-Rod is only 31, and has 495 home runs already, showing no signs of slowing down. There's also a new group of young sluggers--Teixiera, Pujols, Howard--who look to be promising players to end up in such a situation as well.

[terry05_99]

Originally Posted by edlawton

Well said! The MLB had no interest in trying to stop the steroid use in the late 90's. Why the heck would they? Balls were flying out of parks and the fans were back in full force.
Me, I could care less if they are doing roids or not. If I played in the big leagues and taking steroids meant that I could financially take care of my family for the rest of their lives, I'd take them.

Yea personally I would rather not see it, but as long as man can get an advantage by cheating, he usually will do it even if he cause harm to himself.

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