Cynology College are Scammers

[grah123we]

I want to let dog trainers, behaviorists and dog owners know that the online Cynology College in Canada is a FRAUDULENT site, it is not a real College and it is run by scammers.

The Cynology College is a "sponsored" company by the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants (IAABC) and the Association of Pet Dog Trainers (APDT) and both of those organizations (which pretty much are the same and managed by the same people) are aware that this site is fraudulent, but they have done nothing to solve the problem.

The "president" of the Cynology College, James O'Heare, used to portray himself as an expert in animal behavior with a PhD degree and made people believe that his company is a real college. He is just a con artist that misleads the public, steals money and finds ways of making money out of dog trainers.

Last year I enrolled in one of his "Diploma" programs and paid him almost $1,300.00 plus the cost of his so-called books. Once enrolled, I discovered that this guy has really basic education in the animal behavior fields. He uses poor language (not that I have the best English, but I'm honest when it comes to my educational background) and after reading a couple of his books (it is mandatory to buy his books in order to graduate from his classes), I found out that the content in each book is a copy or a summary of several books that are out in the market. A real PhD will never do something like that. If you have read Lindsay, Beaver or Overall, you will discover how James is great at copyright infringement. Maybe that is why you cannot buy any of his books at Amazon.com...too risky for him.

Around January last year, I started having doubts about this person and his Cynology College, so I decided to do some research and found out that he "graduated" from two fake online universities based in the US that are NOT accredited (like his college) and according to him, he finished his undergraduate and graduate degrees in only "two years". From what I know, in order to get a graduate degree, it will take you between 6 to 9 years of school attendance. Four years for the bachelors, minimum two for the Masters and another five for the PhD. He did all this in just two, weird, isn't it?

But there is more about the Cynology College: I figured that the "president" is now also a professor at one of the fake universities he graduated from. That University (degree mill) is part of a fake accreditation agency and now the Cynology college is accredited by that organization too: The Central States Consortium of Colleges & Schools (not a real organization).

Well it seems that after a year somebody else found out about his fake degrees because he has finally removed the "PhD" after his name.

He has also created a fake organization: International Institute for Applied Companion Animal Behavior where he is the "director". We are talking about a guy who has no academic background and who is teaching college level classes and pretending to be a scientist.

If you visit the Cynology College site, you will find out that none of the people that are part of the Faculty have a real degree. They are dog trainers just like me. Some of them live here in the United States. One in specific caught my attention because she is the one in charge of the "Nutrition" courses and she also "graduated" from the same fake college as James O'Heare did. How scary is that?, people is learning about animal nutrition from a scammer. The other one is just a dog training author that has no idea about cynology, ethology or behavior. But the most scary one is the fake Australian veterinarian that is teaching Veterinary Psychopharmacology.

I visited the site and I was in shock when I found out that the course I paid for no longer exists. I never got a notice; I never got my money back. This Cynology College is a real scam.

If you are a dog owner, pay attention to the dog trainer's credentials. If the trainer claims to be a student of this place, your dog may not be in good hands!

If you are a dog trainer, don't waste your time and money.

[jamesoheare]

The information in this post is false. Unfortunately not everyone is capable of making the grade in a formal program of study. This particular person (whom I will not name for professionalism reasons) was incapable of passing the course and has now fabricated this misinformation. If you have any questions about Cynology College feel free to visit the web site at www.cynologycollege.com and email us with any questions. We are Certification Council for Pet Dog Trainers 'Accredited' and International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants 'Approved'. Our faculty and advisory board are internationally respected professionals in their field and the vast majority of our students and graduates are delighted with their experience with us. Furthermore, I would be pleased to offer references.

James O'Heare
President, Cynology College

[werni1989]

1. James O'Heare is a scammer. He lied about his credentials for a long time. He lured in students by advertising as a Doctor of Philosophy in Comparative Psychology.

Here is the evidence of his LIES. We found the old version of two websites where he has trying to convince the world that he had a PhD:

http://web.archive.org/web/200406052...eare_james.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200406081...gycollege.com/

Breyer State University and Canyon College are AMERICAN DEGREE MILLS. If you don't believe it, just visit the US Department of Education website and verify for yourself. http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/

After several complaints he finally removed the fake credentials from his websites.

2. The Cynology College is NOT an accredited college and it is not recognized by the US Department of Education.

Any dog trainer in United States advertising as a graduate from this college is deliberately misleading a potential client. False advertising is a type of fraud and it is considered a federal crime.

The fact that this "private enterprise" is accredited by the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, does not protect the dog trainer from becoming liable if legal action is brought against him/her. According to the Federal Trade Commission's Deception Policy Statement, an ad is deceptive if it contains a statement - or omits information - that:

1. is likely to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances; and
2. is "material" - that is, important to a consumer's decision to buy or use the product/service.

Put simple, as a dog trainer, you should not advertise that you are a Cynology College student or graduate because you can get in trouble with the law. Using the word "college" is misleading and unethical.

[jamesoheare]

Cynology College is not degree issuing university (and does not claim to be) and therefore requires no accreditation of any kind. We have allowed ourselves to be scrutinized by the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and the Certification Council for Pet Dog Trainers for their accreditation/approval as a means to help students receive credits and certification for their education. We have the appropriate governmental permission to use the term College, and accreditation by an agency approved by the U.S. Dep. of Ed. is simply not applicable to us as a we are not a degree issuing university.

It is nonesense that it is not legal to advertise graduating from Cynology College. Complete nonsense.

These posts are inaccurate and slanted. My reputation stands on its own and our students are pleased with their experience with us.

I cannot spend all of my valuable time countering each of these claims or putting their biased presentation into perspective. If the reader chooses to accept these claims then that is their choice.

James

[jamesoheare]

"The week I spent as a Guest Speaker in the Cynology College Virtual Classroom was wonderful. To be able to give input on marketing and advertising one's dog training business to students who were so clearly enthusiastic and focused about what they do was a pleasure. I'm sure the success rate of those who go through this program is phenomenal!"

- Nicole Wilde
Gentle Guidance Dog Training
www.gentleguidance4dogs.com
Author of So You Want to be a Dog Trainer and One on One A Dog Trainer's Guide to private Training

"There is a great need for quality education for dog trainers, and Cynology College is there to provide it. Continuing education encourages trainers to become a community of learners and to share their knowledge."

- Deborah Jones, Ph.D.
Kent State University Stark Campus
Planet Canine / Akron OH

"Cynology College is an intensive, thorough and challenging academic program that forms the perfect symbiotic relationship with the hands-on experiences and academic program a student of dog behavior needs to become the best trainer (or behavior counselor) possible.

Cynology College education engulfs the student in dog behavior, filling in the giant void of academic knowledge that is so prevalent in the field ."

- Sue Sternberg
Owner, President, Rondout Valley Kennels and Animals for Adoption
Graduate of the Cynology College
www.suesternberg.com

"I have so, so thoroughly enjoyed and benefitted from the coursework at Cynology College! I honestly cannot recommend it highly enough. The quality of the information, the support given by the other students and by James O'Heare himself, at-your-own-pace environment...these things and many others make the expenditure of both time and money ABSOLUTELY, unquestionably worthwhile. You should definitely enroll in one of the programs. It's one of the best things I've done for my career thus far!"

- Molly Stone-Elmore, Dip.A.B., CDBC, CC/SF-SPCA
Staff Behaviorist, SPCA of Wake County, Garner NC
Owner/Director: Communica-nine Motivational Dog Training Services, Raleigh NC
National Training Director: Helping Paws Pet Assisted Therapy, (North Carolina)
Coordinating Committee Member: Applied Companion Animal Behavior Network
Member: APDT, IADBC, ABS, HSUS, AHA

"Cynology College provides a great quality, academic education for anyone who owns dogs, who works with or plans to work with dogs. I am amazed at the quality of the reading material and assignments. I am learning more than I ever imagined I would. The support from my course mentor is top-notch! And the students continuously demonstrate their support and compassion for each other. I am thrilled to be part of this classroom!"

- Vernessa Wysocki, Dip.D.D.
Cynology College Diploma of Dog Daycare Graduate
K9 to 5
Doggie Daycare, Training and Activity Centre

“I found everything and everyone very interesting and informative. … James is a very knowledgeable and patient person. Without his continued support and guidance I would have been lost. … I had a wonderful time. I was impressed with the level of professionalism that came from this school. Thanks you for such a rewarding experience.”

- Karen Kennedy Dip. C.B., Graduate

"I am already amazed at all the helpful information to be found here, as well as the friendly people who are willing to share it. Looks like we've come to the right place"

- Doris Herber
Student

"I am proud to have graduated from Cynology College. Without a doubt, the education I received here was essential in my practice as a dog obedience trainer and behavior consultant. I am grateful to James O'Heare and everyone at the College who guided me in my studies. Dog behavior is an exciting and rewarding field, but one which requires continued education."

- Renee Premaza, Dip.C.B., C.C.B.T.
Graduate
Dog Obedience Trainer
Radio Talk Show Host
www.jerseydogtrainer.com

"I love the Natural Dog Behavior course and am having such a great time learning via Cynology College; it is just what I hoped it would be and as challenging as I'd hoped and I'm excited to start the other ACBS courses after I'm done with Natural Dog Behavior. I was just telling my husband how thoroughly I enjoy the books, the discussions we have, the questions students bring up concerning dogs and clients. I love it when I come across new material, have little epiphanies about it, and then fit it into the whole scheme of things. Anyway, what I'm trying to do say is thank you for making Cynology College a reality."

- Colleen Falconer
Student

"When I started at Cynology College, I was already teaching dog training classes and doing in-home canine behavioral counseling sessions, but I wanted to learn more. Since beginning my studies here I have found that the information that I learned before was a valuable stepping stone for the in-depth look at canine behavior that I am getting now. I would recommend Cynology College to anyone who wants a career in dog training--even those that are already in the field."

- Sarah Grimm
Student
APDT Professional member
IADBC Associate member
NADOI Provisional member
www.woofology.com

“I enrolled in the dog nutrition course in hopes of making sense out of all the conflicting information out there regarding the multitude of feeding practices and philosophies, and to further my knowledge in general. This being my first experience in distance learning, I didn’t know quite what to expect. Thankfully, I can now say that the material, my instructor (Susan Dillon), and college as a whole have far exceeded my expectations. The course was very well conceived, James and Susan were always helpful and accessible to answer questions, and the virtual classroom format provided a great way to interact with the other students for advice, feedback, etc. I will definitely be taking the next nutrition course, and perhaps a few others in the future. I give Cynology College two thumbs and four paws way up.”

- Melanie Monteiro
Graduate, Canine Nutrition

[renloyx]

So what about your fake degrees Mr. Scammer?

[jamesoheare]

I am Canadian. In Canada we do not have such thing as unaccredited universities. If a university exists here, it has to, 100% of the time, be fully accredited by the government. No one worries about accreditation because it is legislated and this was the mindset I was in when looking for a school.

When I was looking for a school to further my knowledge I did read something about the fact that in the U.S. the government does not accredit schools. I read on the school web sites and the government web sites that accreditation by an agency approved by the U.S. Dep. of Ed. was a good sign of quality (that's what the web sites said: it is only a voluntary indication of likely quality) but totally voluntary. So I thought fine. I also knew that there were schools where you could actually just buy degrees. I thought that was pretty sleezy so I avoided that and found schools that allowed me to work at my own pace, take the courses I want but that required actual coursework and exams and assignments etc.

Anyway, after I finished these programs (on which I personally worked very hard and learned so much from) I did start getting emails from some people saying they were fake. I looked into it and it turns out they are completely legal. But I also got some emails from people who clued me into the fact that while they are not in fact fake or illegal, by not having the regional accreditation the degrees would be generally seen as of low quality. It was then that I decided to drop those degrees all together and enroll in a fully accredited school, which I have.

The experience is unfortunate obviously. I feel a bit duped by these schools and the American education system but it's buyer be ware I suppose and I did not make myself aware. So I do not identify myself as possessing any degrees now. It was only a few months between graduation and dropping the degrees actually. I did this because I think it's the right thing to do.

Never the less, I learned a lot from my courses (and am finding my accredited courses are about exactly the same as the ones I took) but that's okay. I learned lots.

People who know me know that I have extensive knowledge and skill in the area of dog training and behavior consulting and in fact in the science of behavior. I share that now with students and they are satisfied with their experience.

Your posts are not accurate in their characterization of me or Cynology College. It is clear that you had an unfortunate experience and developed an extreme hostility of me and if you would have contacted me or even if you still would contact me I would do whatever I can to work it out to your satisfaction. If you contact me I will help rectify your experience. I already know who you are because from the information you provided you can only be one person. So don't worry about that. I will of course require that you please email this web site and have them remove these posts.

The fact is I am an internationally known behavior consultant with an excellent reputation and books published in several languages (and the books get better with each new one I write) and I'm helping a lot of people become competent professionals in dog training and behavior consulting through the school. Please just email me and I'll work it out with you.

James

[grah123we]

Thanks for the list of students and "graduates". Now American consumers will be armed with better data about these people and will know that they DIDN'T graduate from a real college.

And, nice try... I don't care if you are an scammer from Canada, Nigeria or Russia, at the end of the road, you:

1. Mislead the public,
2. Don't have the qualifications to teach college-level courses, and
3. Cannot erase your past.

Being a Canadian company is no excuse, as werni1989 said:

"Any dog trainer in United States advertising as a graduate from this college is deliberately misleading a potential client. False advertising is a type of fraud and it is considered a federal crime."

You have to respect our laws! If you don't like it, then don't sell your services to America.

I really wonder how many people is paying for your lies.

People BEWARE OF THIS CON-ARTIST and any dog trainer advertising as a graduate from the Cynology College.

[koipond123]

Hi grah123we:

That's really interesting about Cynology College and the experience you had with them.

Recently I came across one of Cynology's graduates and so-called Board Member, Molly Stone, and wanted to check up on her credentials because most of what she says in the course of her training classes just didn't make much sense (certainly not what you would expect from a legitimately trained specialist in animal behavior).

I found out that her only educational background is a Diploma from this college, Cynology.
What really disturbs me is that she works as THE animal behaviorist at the SPCA adoption center in Wake County, NC. Being an animal lover, it really disturbs me that someone who may NOT have the adequate knowledge in the arena of animal behavior may be "acting as God" at this SPCA, since she essentially decides which dog/cat is "adoptable" and which isn't. I wonder if the head of SPCA even did a thorough background check on her credentials? Hard to believe that they did.

I also found it rather amusing that Mr. James O'Heare responds to your post as well as other negative posts about his college I found in other websites. I just have to wonder how he even stumbled onto this site. hmmm...could he have been doing a Google search with the keywords "James O'Heare" and "scam?" Now, why would anyone do that, espcially if you have nothing to worry about?

I'm an attorney specializing in consumer fraud, so this is really quite amusing to me!
:D

[MollyStone]

My name is Molly Stone, and I am the director of the Behavior and Training Department at the SPCA of Wake County. I am also on the advisory board at Cynology College, and I am pleased to have the opportunity to respond to the above postings.

I have been studying companion animal behavior and working in the field for 15 years. I completed a 4 year internship in Baltimore, MD and continued to complete a diploma course at Cynology College; to obtain a certification from the San Francisco SPCA, and I hold a certification from the International Assosciation of Animal Behavior Consultants.

I am disappointed that the attorney who posted above wasn't willing to give his or her name, as I would love to personally address whatever he/she heard during the course of my training classes that he/she feels "didn't make sense." Unfortunately, since I don't know who this person is and I don't know which of my classes he/she took, I am unable to speak to that particular concern. How corageous of him/her.

Here's what I think's important: people learn a lot at Cynology College. I know this because I was one of those people. When I was looking for a place to continue my education, I didn't care whether or not it was an "accredited institution" -- I was interested only in the curriculum. Most people that study animal behavior do it so they can learn to be effective trainers, not so they can put fancy letters after their names. I am proud to serve on the advisory board at Cynology College and I am surprised to hear that people with so little information are willing to so publicly post their unfounded opinions. Personally, I would be embarrassed to do something like that, but I guess "to each his own."

I discuss behavior and temperament evaluations with a staff full of people at the SPCA. Most shelters don't have *any* staff member with a specific background in behavior at all, and the decisions about which animals are and are not adoptable are sometimes made randomly as well as by a "committee of one." I am always amused when people who have never been behind the scenes at a shelter are so willing and ready to criticise what they don't understand. It's very easy from inside an attorney's plush, air conditioned office. Silly.

I am exceedingly proud of my background, my experience, and my talent. I have hundreds of references that I make available to anyone interested in hiring me. Cynology College, the APDT, the IAABC, the SPCA...these are all fabulous sources of professional collaboration and continuing education, and I am fortunate enough to be able to call on the minds that make up these groups if and when I need help, new ideas, new research, etc. I have nothing to hide and I have never misrepresented myself to the public, even though a person with an extensive background in law says the animal behavior information I teach in my classes doesn't make sense. I'm sure this poster would be just as bored and amused as I am by his/her comments if I came online to publicly accuse him/her of giving people bad legal advice based on my own knowledge of the subject. :confused:

Sometimes, it seems that people with lots of time on their hands are able to make themselves feel important and intelligent by badmouthing and harrassing others. In elementary school, these people were referred to as "bullies." Here we have adult bullies with computers...isn't that cute? Their opinions, while certainly welcome into the ether, have hardly been accurately researched, and therefore aren't terribly important to me. I would hope that other level headed, right thinking people would feel the same way.

Thank you for your time.
Molly J. Stone, CDBC (Certified Dog Behavior Consultant); Dip.A.B. (Diploma of Animal Behavior,) CC-SFSPCA (Certified Consultant, San Francisco SPCA)

[linda49]

There are laws, rules and regulations in Canada for all forms of business, James. Are you trying to convince these people that you are above the law? Or just beyond their reach? You sound shady. Perhaps I can forward your information to the appropriate people in Canada - and you can explain yourself to them. Fraud is fraud, sir. If you are advertising "accreditation, diploma, degree" or a professional designation that you do not possess (or does not exist) you are commiting a crime.

[gypsyskyes]

While doing a search for citations and books by James O'Heare, I came across this post. I just had to stop and take the time to reply.

I am a dog caregiver at a sanctuary. Upon my arriving at this sanctuary, I found 18 dogs with socialization problems. Deciding I needed some education on dog behavior to benefit the quality of life for these dogs, I searched for an online course in dog training and animal behavior. I found several and decided on Cynology College due to the curriculum offered.

Anyone that has completed a class or a diploma curriculum has had an in depth education in that course. From my experience, my texts are not "light reading". They are, as the college said, university level. My assignments are to write accurate, knowledgeable, scientifically based essays. This requires quite a bit of discipline to allot the time necessary to research and complete the assignments. If I pass, it signifies that I have acquired an extensive knowledge in this area, due to required reading, hours of research, and accurate essays written. It is not going to be easy and the possibility of failure does exist.

Mr. O'Heare has answered any questions I have had pertaining to my assignment and my job usually within a couple hours. To do this while writing a book, I'd say, is dedication to his students. For this I am grateful.

I have an Associates Degree that I obtained in 1987. This class I am taking through Cynology College has been more challenging than any class I have taken to get my Associates Degree. Whether I pass or fail, I will feel that my money was well spent.

Linda J Biloni
student Cynology College

[ifitwalkslikeaduck]

Excuse me... I don't think the issue is whether Cynology College offers quality education or not. I'm sure there are a whole bunch of students and graduates of the school who are completely satisfied with what they got out of it.

I think the only time things get "scam-mish" is when people misrepresent themselves or when they try and pull a fast one over on poor Joe Blow who can't tell the difference between a Ph.D and a CBDC or for that matter, a CABC, ABC, CCBC or whatever letter combos that are going around. The sad fact is that Joe's only got himself to blame and he should've done his homework but then we're all pretty gullible when it comes to all these fancy letters after someone's name. It all sort of screams "Look! I got all these fascinating letters after my name so you better believe it I'm the authority here!" and most of us go "Ok, boss".

Part of the problem also lies in the fact that "animal behaviorist", as a profession, isn't something that's regulated by some board, nor is it licensed. A lot of the "real" animal behaviorists are, in fact, veterinarians with a Ph.D in Animal Behavior. But just because it's not regulated, doesn't mean that it's not a legitimate profession. It most definitely is, and the last time I checked, you have to earn it by snagging at least a Masters, if not a Ph.D degree. Which is a LOT of hard work. So, when people without these credentials casually go around calling themselves animal behaviorists, they're thumbing their noses at all these "legit" folks.

The bottomline though, is that when it's not regulated by some government agency, just about anything goes. Plus that, it's only animals after all, not as if some kid got sick because of some hokey diagnosis or anything like that. If a self-proclaimed animal behaviorist charges you a little bit more than your humble little local dog trainer to figure out why your Munchkin keeps peeing on your favorite slipper, it's really not such a big deal for the general public. Definitely a concern for the animal lover but not something that would initiate a national investigation.

Moral of the story here: Buyers beware and do your homework.

Mike D.

[gypsyskyes]

http://www.iaabc.org/approved_courses.htm

[linda49]

Yea gotta be kiddin' me, Linda J. Biloni (baloney) - a joke, right! Love it, love it, ;)!!!

Mike D. - Thank God for people like you - "in the know" - and willing to take the time to share your expertise. The victims of these scams are always the people who can least afford the loss. They are good people, usually experiencing a hard time, making them easy prey for the smooth talking criminals. In case no one's told you lately, thank you. You make the world a better place.

[gypsyskyes]

glad you posted that linda, that way people who come here to check the validity of this site, will see the intelligence of who judges what's a scam and what's not...name calling??? give me a break....oh yeah, the Biloni...it's my husbands name...he's from Canada...

[gypsyskyes]

ifitwalks, I'd like to reply as an animal lover.

First, I did research (do my homework) Cynology College and they do have classes approved through IAABC. Then I researched IAABC.

Before the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants, there were PhD Behaviorists (certified applied animal behaviorists)and boarded vetinary behaviorists as far as certification for expertise. There were less than 75 individuals between these two groups and several of them were in research. That didn't leave many available to the general public. I don't know of many, if any, vets that have the time to observe Munchkin in his environment and ask about Munchkins habits and background.

So, what happens to Munchkins when he pees in his guardian's slipper? Well, a common scenerio, is he gets taken to the vet. Tests are run, Munchkin has no physical problems. Well meaning friends tell his guardian to rub his nose in it and/or hit him with the slipper. You see, Munchkins guardian isn't going to fly him out to one of the less than 75 PhD animal behaviorists, nor is he going to pay for one to fly out to see Munckin. Munchkin continues to pee, maybe even when his guardian approaches him. His personality takes a turn for the worse. His guardian is exasperated and Munchkin gets put outside, fed, *****ed, and soon forgotten.

Soon, Munchkin starts barking, maybe from lonliness, maybe from boredom. Maybe, as his guardian thinks, he's just a bad dog. Neighbors complain. Munchkin gets taken to the local shelter, or dropped off on the side of the road somewhere.

By the way, the number one cause of death in pet animals, is bad behavior.

If Munchkins guardian was able to consult with a Certified Animal Behavior Consultant, Munchkin might be alive, and he and his guardian would have the quality of life they both should expect and deserve.

If I decide to become a Certified Animal Behavior Consultant (CABC), I would have spent at least 3 years finishing classes. I would then apply, and submit college transcripts, along with references and 2 case studies. Then I would be an Associate, if accepted,for several months to a year.

Next I would progress to Certified Pending, then Certified Provisional, which lasts for a year. Also, I would have to have recommendations from approved mentors.

Now if I did all that, and had CABC, after my name, I'd say I was qualified to teach others as well as do consultations. And after all that, I would charge more than your average dog trainer.

I would suggest that any who question Cynology College, go to IAABC website and check out their criteria.

Ifitwalks, you are right, before you believe anything that's posted on the web, do your homework, research it. That is if it gives you their name.

On this site, I notice, no one questions the person or persons, accusing someone of being a scammer. They may not know anything about the "scam-ee", yet, they jump on the bandwagon. Did it occur to anyone that maybe this person thought they were going to be certified by taking a "sit, stay" class and when they found out it was scientifically based research that was required, they got a little hot and blamed someone other than themselves? Guess not. And why doesn't anyone post their name in their public profile? All of those who spoke on James O'Heare's behalf did. Interesting.

James O'Heare is an intelligent person, with a passion for improving the lives of companion animals through education. If he was going to do a scam, he could have found an easier way than Cynology College.

[ifitwalkslikeaduck]

gypsyskyes: Sorry, ma'am... just because there's a shortage of "real" animal behaviorists doesn't make it alright for someone without the proper credentials to conduct business as one. The only reason people aren't going to jail for this is because A) it's an unregulated 'gray' area and B) it concerns specialized animal welfare, which isn't THAT high up there as far as priorities go for the general public. But it still doesn't make it alright.

The International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants, as I understand it, is a peer group made up of professionals in the field. Sure, they may issue certificates and endorse certain individuals and/or organizations, but in terms of 'accreditation' (as in 'nationally accredited colleges and universities'), those certificates mean as much as any other proprietary certificates issued by other private entities (such as Petsmart's one for their dog trainers).

The main issue here is that if someone enrolled in Cynology College thinking that this was an 'accredited' school, he/she would expect that upon graduation, should he/she wish to pursue higher education, that he/she would be able to transfer the credits accumulated here to any other 'legit' university. This not being the case with this college, all the time and money spent to acquire all those certifications would've amounted to nothing in this situation, hence, all the accusations of 'fraud' in the postings here.

As long as one is fully aware of the nature of these type of schools and the fact that these proprietary certifications generally have zero value outside of that particular organization, I think there's nothing wrong with pursuing these type of education for your personal betterment.
Mike D.

[walker2]

Mr. O'Heare,

Can you tell me where you obtained your qualifications as a dog trainer, and where you obtained your qualifications as a dog nutritionist? And before you send me off to the Cynology College to have a look at your qualifications, I already have.......and they mean nothing to me. Until someone mentioned the Cynology College, I had never heard of you. (That doesn't mean you are not good at what you do, I just have personally never heard of you.)

Thank-you.

[jamesoheare]

If you are so confident in the truth of your statements, you should have the courage to identify yourself. I do know who you are (deduced from your commenst and my records), but would probably have a difficult time proving it. Perhaps my lawyers could force this web site to identify you. They have suggested I pursue this. For now I am not motivated to bother with all of that. I will not be minitoring this rediculous web site any further. All of your half-truths, outright lies, misrepresentations and serious misunderstanding and mistating of the facts and the laws constitute liable and slander and if you do not cease this behavior I may very well become motivated to pursue this further. For now, I give up trying to explain. I'll leave you with this little article.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ion-case_x.htm

Nonsense, all of it. Simply nonsense.

[jon8105]

Originally Posted by gypsyskyes

I have an Associates Degree that I obtained in 1987. This class I am taking through Cynology College has been more challenging than any class I have taken to get my Associates Degree. Whether I pass or fail, I will feel that my money was well spent.

Linda J Biloni
student Cynology College

So your class at Cynology College is more challenging than those you have taken to get your Associates Degree???? lol.....What is your Asscoiate degree in and what school did you go to for it to be so easy???

[dobe]

First of all Mr. O'Heare, you probably found out just like me that in
this country of ours namely Canada people here are a bunch of retards
from coast to coast when it comes to dog training, doggie daycare
dog behavior anything doggie related you are basically wasting your
time I found that out the hard way it cost me lot of money with this
communist retarded country of mine please don't waste your valuable
time O'Heare you did the right thing moving to the States to establish a school related to dog training and behavior.

Secondly Mr. or Mrs Koinpond123 you must be a cheap attorney with lot
of time on your hand to browse around these site and waste your time
answering stupidity like yours MY GWAD

Third Mizz linda49 who calls people name take a good look at yourself
that Mrs Biloni had the courage to sign her name and exposing her infos to
everybody I can't say that much from you name caller. It shows people
just how credible you are.
Dobe or Linda Bissonnette see I sign my name I'm not ashamed like you
to sign my name and unfortunately I have the same name as you
from you.

[jon8105]

Originally Posted by dobe

First of all Mr. O'Heare, you probably found out just like me that in
this country of ours namely Canada people here are a bunch of retards
from coast to coast when it comes to dog training, doggie daycare
dog behavior anything doggie related you are basically wasting your
time I found that out the hard way it cost me lot of money with this
communist retarded country of mine please don't waste your valuable
time O'Heare you did the right thing moving to the States to establish a school related to dog training and behavior.

Secondly Mr. or Mrs Koinpond123 you must be a cheap attorney with lot
of time on your hand to browse around these site and waste your time
answering stupidity like yours MY GWAD

Third Mizz linda49 who calls people name take a good look at yourself
that Mrs Biloni had the courage to sign her name and exposing her infos to
everybody I can't say that much from you name caller. It shows people
just how credible you are.
Dobe or Linda Bissonnette see I sign my name I'm not ashamed like you
to sign my name and unfortunately I have the same name as you
from you.

This has to be one of the most uneducated posts I have read in a long time!! :D

[dobe]

The truth hurts and the shoe fits Mr. jon8105
and where the hell did you learn to write your english
remember grammar school?????????
"what school did you go to for it to be so easy???"
What the hell kind of english is that

[jon8105]

Originally Posted by dobe

The truth hurts and the shoe fits Mr. jon8105
and where the hell did you learn to write your english
remember grammar school?????????
"what school did you go to for it to be so easy???"
What the hell kind of english is that

What is wrong with that sentence? And what TRUTH did you give? You provided your opinion on the subject, not truth!! And if you want to see an example of bad grammar all you have to do is reread your posts!!

[dobe]

Originally Posted by jon8105

What is wrong with that sentence? And what TRUTH did you give? You provided your opinion on the subject, not truth!! And if you want to see an example of bad grammar all you have to do is reread your posts!!

Hey looser I guess you've got nothing better to do in life then hang
around this place and ***** and complaint other people
If and I say if you are a dog trainer you're probably still
training with a choke collar that tells me a lot about your
credentials brain dead go back to school
and learn a little and don't forget about grammar
english 101
"it go to tell you it easy ah ah ah"

[jon8105]

I laugh everytime I read one of your posts. :D Trust me, I am very well educated so don't worry about me and my schooling, because it seems to me that you are the one lacking in the education department!!

Oh, and I am not a dog trainer :p

[dobe]

Well if you are NOT a dog trainer you have no business
here complaining about this school

[jon8105]

Actually, I haven't said anything bad about the SCHOOL, so do us all a favor and quit posting!!

[dobe]

Why don't you reread your post #21 dummy
and move to another site

[jon8105]

That is not a bad comment for the school. I just find it hard to believe that these classes are harder than those that are required to get an Associates degree, unless of course the degree is in an easy field of study, which is why I asked the question!!! I never said that the school is bad or that you will not obtain any valuable information from it, I just know that compared to the classes I have taken they will not be as challenging!!

[gypsyskyes]

First, I have an Associates Degree in Business, Consumer Banking and Finance is where I utilized my education. Most courses were periodic tests and exams, pretty much feeding back what was learned in the text books.

Now, I'm providing a couple links (just 2 of many) that I used for research to complete an ESSAY, not a little test, (where I read then fed it back). Researching and reading scientific journals, then understanding it well enough to use in an essay, is challenging to me. Now I would say, maybe I'm lacking the intelligence for it to be easy for me, but I don't lack intelligence.
http://cogprints.org/156/00/199709001.html

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00515.htm

If I did, I would spend my free time jumping on bandwagons on message boards going rah, rah, rah, blah, blah, blah.

The person that started this particular thread didn't want anyone to know who he/she was. Well, if you believe in what you say, and you know it's true, you ought to be able to stand behind it and say "Yes, I said it" and not be ashamed of letting people know who you are. Where's the integrity in hiding behind an alias? Credibility doesn't come under the guise of anonymous.

Then the person prints lies...you don't have to buy Mr O' Heare's books, none of the books I'm using for this class are by him. Also, if the person had actually read the book by Beaver, they would notice that at the end of each chapter there are somewhere around 83 references, a chapter about 15 pages, with pictures, I'd say she uses a lot of information from other sources too.

But then, people on this site jump right in, not even questioning the credibility of the person they're backing up. That folks, is not only stupidity, it's dangerous. I wouldn't put my real name behind my statements if I blindly went along with whatever some stranger said....we the sheeple..we'll believe anything and follow anybody....shame, shame. No wonder we have the current administration in *****, stripping our rights, putting us in debt, making Halliburton richer...now folks, there are some real scams. Of course, you will have to do research and spend time reading informative articles.

Read about the credibility of electronic balloting, there's another scam.

If, as the person that started this thread did, anyone who would send $1300.00 to someplace on the Internet without researching it, or come to a site like this to find "credibility", they deserve to be scammed and need to wake up and accept the blame for their failures. Or, they have more money than sense. They had the option to take the classes individually, cheaper up front and gives the person an opportunity to see whether they want to put that much time into the program, in other words, they can see what they're getting into before dumping $1300 in it. Of course, you need to have the ability to think on your own to come to that decision.

jon, you're a mechanical design engineer, (so says your profile)?? Yet you resort to insulting some one's use of the English language. Maybe, just maybe, it's their second language. Maybe they weren't as blessed as you to have family that could send them to college. You, as an "educated" person, should be aware that's there's better ways to spend your time, voicing your opinions and questioning credibility than on a site such as this...(there's a lot going on in this country, as well as the world, in case you're not aware of it) of course if you decide to use your time in a more relevant fashion, it will take thinking, not something like "Oh yeah, well I have more education than you ha ha ha..." That kind of feedback says you have a college degree but not a lot of wisdom. Surely you can speak more intelligently than what you have demonstrated here.

Also, previewing your posts, yes i do research, you spend a lot of time telling people these get rich quick schemes are a scam..now how much intelligence does that take?? Why not say something like "Get a job"...why spend so much time reading and posting to people who are looking for an easy buck? Why not USE your educated mind for something more worthwhile than replying to something like "duh...can I make a lot of money from roulette analyzer"..c'mon...give me a break.

BTW, I am a student of CC because I am concerned about the welfare of animals rather than making corporate America richer at the expense of the working class, and besides, the average dog IS a nicer person than the average person (quoted from Andy Rooney).

I am going to see if I can get unsubscribe from this site, not get any email notifications...because I have found that message boards are by nature, rah, rah, rah, I can insult you and hide behind anonymity, and this site is truly a conglomeration of sheeple.

dobe..take heart...this from a Newsweek article (go to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15014682/site/newsweek/

Sept. 26, 2006 - Does going to college make students better-educated citizens? A new study of more than 14,000 randomly selected college students from across the country concludes that the answer is often no.

[jon8105]

Originally Posted by gypsyskyes

jon, you're a mechanical design engineer, (so says your profile)?? Yet you resort to insulting some one's use of the English language. Maybe, just maybe, it's their second language.

What does my job title have to do with talking to someone about their posts? Anyways, my first comment on saying that I thought the persons post was uneducated had nothing to do with grammatical errors, instead it was on the content of the post. My second response was in defense of the post directed toward a supposed grammatical error in my post, in which I have every right to defend!!!

Originally Posted by gypsyskyes

Maybe they weren't as blessed as you to have family that could send them to college. You, as an "educated" person, should be aware that's there's better ways to spend your time, voicing your opinions and questioning credibility than on a site such as this...(there's a lot going on in this country, as well as the world, in case you're not aware of it) of course if you decide to use your time in a more relevant fashion, it will take thinking, not something like "Oh yeah, well I have more education than you ha ha ha..." That kind of feedback says you have a college degree but not a lot of wisdom. Surely you can speak more intelligently than what you have demonstrated here.

First off I sent myself to college while working 30 - 35 hours a week, and I am now paying for the loans I used to get through school, so don't assume you know anything about me. Secondly, I am aware of what is going on in this country, and again you know nothing about me so don't presume to think all I do is post on these forums (which hurts nothing), because if you do you are wrong!! Also, I have said nothing about having more education than anyone, so there is no need for exaggeration. So from your false assumptions about me, you shouldn't comment on the wisdom of others, but instead focus more on yours.

Originally Posted by gypsyskyes

Also, previewing your posts, yes i do research, you spend a lot of time telling people these get rich quick schemes are a scam..now how much intelligence does that take?? Why not say something like "Get a job"...why spend so much time reading and posting to people who are looking for an easy buck? Why not USE your educated mind for something more worthwhile than replying to something like "duh...can I make a lot of money from roulette analyzer"..c'mon...give me a break.

It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to determine which of these schemes are scams, and I have never said it did! However, a lot of people don't know how to tell (And I do REASEARCH to come to my conclusions), so what we do here is help them out the best we can!! Also, if you research you will find several people who have thanked us for helping them out, and to me that makes posting here worth it. Again, you go assuming that I do nothing but post here, which just goes to show how narrow minded you are.

Originally Posted by gypsyskyes

Now I would say, maybe I'm lacking the intelligence for it to be easy for me, but I don't lack intelligence.

If I did, I would spend my free time jumping on bandwagons on message boards going rah, rah, rah, blah, blah, blah.

So, from your post, only people who lack intelligence post on message boards??? I could give a list of forums where the people are extremely intelligent, so please quit making these false claims!!!


Well, even though you have falsely assumed many things about me, I will still be generous enough to help you out. Go to the CP (Control Panel) link at the top of the page and from there you can uncheck the box so that you don't receive any e-mails!!

[dobe]

Hey dummy jon what are you still doing on this site if I may quote you
"only people who lack intelligence post on message boards"
That tells us enough about your intelligence?????????????????
well said gypsyskyes, we can very well see who's educated by your
post as opposed to dummy jon
dobe

[jon8105]

Give me proof that only people who lack intelligence post on message boards!! If the only useful information you can provide is to make false claims about other individuals then it is you that lacks intelligence!!

[dobe]

Originally Posted by jon8105

Give me proof that only people who lack intelligence post on message boards!! If the only useful information you can provide is to make false claims about other individuals then it is you that lacks intelligence!!

Just by your posts 231 tweet you obviously have nothing
better to do of your days then just bla bla bla on these
sites and you mean to tell me that you are INTELLIGENT
ya right duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Kelsi3WatersV]

My name is Kelsi. I have been researching continuing education courses regarding dog training when I ran across this post. Regardless of when the last post was, it still exists and I feel that I should reply. I do not know of this college in particular, was looking at another, so I will speak simply from my personal position and opinion as you keep in mind that I have no experience as a student of these schools.
Unlike most people my age, I have no current chance at a college education. Due to my lifestyle (military spouse), there are very few financial assistance opportunitys, and I am only eligeable for one which will not take me all the way to a degree. I have to start a career somewhere.
Dog training and behavior, as a profession as mentioned above, is not regulated. Therefor, a lot of dog trainers are self educated; a lot of behavioralist are self educated as well as taking advantage of courses/schools like these and seminars from leading dog trainers throughout the country. I personally see nothing wrong with this as it is a growing and developing part of the pet industry. In the last 50 years seems to be where this subject has really developed.
Those whom Ive come across who have strong opinions on dog trainers and behavioralist seem to know nothing about it than what they've researched on the internet. And there really is MORE to it than that! Respected dog trainers will happily argue against you in regards to what type of education people need to get the job done.
I am greatful to know that there are cheaper options on education for me such as these schools, that DO SPECIALIZE in the subjects I need to focus on. They will get me started on a deeper understanding of dog training rather than sit and stay procedures, and hopefully I can use this knowledge in a successful beginning to a career and later I will be able to afford a full degree at a college. Thank you