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Old 11-16-2010, 11:45 PM
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Laugh, it's all you have left.
Dan, <<< This guy is shooting up your car trying to kill you & its occupants.

What evasive action do you take?.

Halt the car or step on the gas?.



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Old 11-17-2010, 02:56 AM
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Yes, understood but when they use an expert to establish a 2.3 sec. time necessary to operate the rifle, that demonstrates the capabilities of the rifle performed by an expert rifleman, not Oswald's capabilities. Yet the WC conclueded... that a rifleman of Lee Harvey Owald's capabilities could have fired the shots from the rifle used in the assassination within the elasped time of the shooting. Owald's capabilities were that of (as far as they were able to determine) a low end sharpshooter but was able to match the proficiency of an expert.
The use of an expert is to establish plausibility... not establish fact.
Again... you know this.
The expert has to duplicate the shot(s) and their effects within a certain time frame and at a specific distance & elevation.
It demonstrates plausibility only.

So... Oswald could never have done it based upon his skill level? Maybe he was having a good day? Maybe he was 'lucky'? Adrenaline rushes can bring about unusual results.

... but I'm telling you things you should already know...

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Old 11-17-2010, 03:33 AM
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So... Oswald could never have done it based upon his skill level? Maybe he was having a good day? Maybe he was 'lucky'? Adrenaline rushes can bring about unusual results.
Oswald's behavior later in the day with the cops and media show how he was so much like other famous killers like Mark Chapman and Hinkley. I bet they could have killed Kennedy with emotionless ease.



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Old 11-17-2010, 06:38 AM
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The use of an expert is to establish plausibility... not establish fact.
Again... you know this.
The expert has to duplicate the shot(s) and their effects within a certain time frame and at a specific distance & elevation.
It demonstrates plausibility only.

So... Oswald could never have done it based upon his skill level? Maybe he was having a good day? Maybe he was 'lucky'? Adrenaline rushes can bring about unusual results.

... but I'm telling you things you should already know...

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Well, the WC presented it as fact and used the 2.3 sec. to establish a shot sequence. Again, Oswald was a radar operator, the only time he was required to shoot a rifle was once a year to qualify and that was with a M-1 semi-automatic, that means he shot a rifle 4 times during his enlistment. The experts demonstrated that it took 2.3 sec. to operate the bolt, aim , fire and hit the target. The WC claimed Oswald had those capabilities by the fact that he was a low end sharpshooter. Then it should have been established that a low end Marine sharp shooter could have operated the rifle in the time frame. Yes, he could have gotten lucky that day and he could have gotten lucky on the qual range.

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Old 11-17-2010, 10:01 AM
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that means he shot a rifle 4 times during his enlistment.
So what? That's an unscoped rifle to start with and he certainly proved a proficient understanding to use a rifle. It doesn't take a PHD to use a rifle scope.

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Old 11-17-2010, 02:40 PM
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Well, the WC presented it as fact and used the 2.3 sec. to establish a shot sequence. Again, Oswald was a radar operator, the only time he was required to shoot a rifle was once a year to qualify and that was with a M-1 semi-automatic, that means he shot a rifle 4 times during his enlistment. The experts demonstrated that it took 2.3 sec. to operate the bolt, aim , fire and hit the target. The WC claimed Oswald had those capabilities by the fact that he was a low end sharpshooter. Then it should have been established that a low end Marine sharp shooter could have operated the rifle in the time frame. Yes, he could have gotten lucky that day and he could have gotten lucky on the qual range.
Then all you're requiring is that a "low end" Marine shooter operate the weapon in the allowed time frame and hit the target... NOT duplicate the shots... which proves what?
Oswald was just trying to hit a target... not shoot Kennedy & Connally with one shot then crank off a 'head shot'.
Are you trying to say his shots and their results were planned?

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Old 11-18-2010, 05:00 AM
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Then all you're requiring is that a "low end" Marine shooter operate the weapon in the allowed time frame and hit the target... NOT duplicate the shots... which proves what?
Oswald was just trying to hit a target... not shoot Kennedy & Connally with one shot then crank off a 'head shot'.
Are you trying to say his shots and their results were planned?

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Yes thats all I'm saying, the FBI demonstrated that an expert could operate the rifle in 2.3 sec. and hit the target two out of three times, it would be more convincing if they demonstrated that a marine low end sharp shooter could do the same, don't you think?

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Yes thats all I'm saying, the FBI demonstrated that an expert could operate the rifle in 2.3 sec. and hit the target two out of three times, it would be more convincing if they demonstrated that a marine low end sharp shooter could do the same, don't you think?
Sure... why not. However, it still doesn't prove a thing. As I mentioned earlier Oswald could have just had a good day or been lucky... that is something that cannot be proven, ever.

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Old 11-19-2010, 10:54 AM
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9.1.3 Oswald could not have made the shots.

False. Two points enter in: Oswald's skill and the difficulty of the shots.
Oswald's marksmanship twice passed the Marine Corps requirements.
By their standards, he was an average shot, but he was more than quali-
fied to use a gun and hit a target. The difficulty of the shots has been
overstated. Dealey Plaza is smaller than it appears in photographs or
film. Oswald's longest shot was eighty-eight yards to the target. The limousine was moving slowly past Oswald when the first shot was
fired. The car turned slightly to go down the inclined portion of the
street, moving slowly up and to the right across Oswald's field of view
when the second and third shots were fired. Despite the relative ease of
the shots, Oswald hit the presumed target (JFK's head) only once out of
three attempts.

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9.2.2 Oswald's rifle had a misaligned scope.

True. But it is not known whether the scope was out of alignment be-
fore the assassination, or after, either from Oswald jamming the gun be-
tween boxes, or by police mishandling. The scope was slightly
misaligned down and left which, if it had been misaligned before the
assassination, may have aided Oswald in hitting JFK, who was moving
up and right across Oswald's field of view for the last two shots.

It's possible Oswald did not use the side-mounted scope, relying in-
stead on the iron sights on top of the weapon. He may also have used
the scope for the first shot, missed, and then switched to the sights.


Ah! So now a new never thought of consideration enters the story! I forgot that the scope on my own Carcano is side mounted which leaves the fore and aft Iron sites free and clear!

Oswald could have abandoned the scope during the shooting or just not used it altogether which would have eliminated the bothersome 8 second shot clock restriction!

Conspiracy is a big fat fa***ggot failure!


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9.1.3 Oswald could not have made the shots.

False.

Two points enter in:

1. Oswald's skill and the difficulty of the shots.
2. Oswald's marksmanship twice passed the Marine Corps requirements.
Right, but in a court of law these two points alone wouldn't amount to being conclusive evidence he actually fired the shots.

You can put any old marine in the School Book Depository with a better success rate than Oswald & make him out to be the patsy.



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