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Organo Gold? Legit or Not?
Anyone here familiar with this Organo Gold company? They appear to offer a variety, yet sometimes complex, of compensation plans for their new members. I'm looking for some feedback from people who knows something about this company...http://organichealthycoffee.com/orga...mpensation.htm
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Last edited by WreckognizeTheseScams! : 11-14-2009 at 02:31 AM.
I have been investigating this company and I have determined that it is a very good opportunity based upon these basic points.
1) The only negative that I have heard is the occasional concern about the monthly autoship. This is easily answered- Once a participant begins to develop customers, the autoshipped product will be used to replenish product ordered by new clients.
There will be a wild demand for this unique product and company.
2) It is an ISO 9000 certified company. ISO ratings are difficult to attain unless a company has resources and service history.
3) It has received some endorsements from major, legit organizations and persons.
4) The product is top shelf and it is only a matter of time before this company goes big, bigtime. I am not so sure that it can be duplicated by another company, without major R&D and expense. The coffee is very good and the Reishi is the key.
I wish that I would have joined in mid- 2008, when I first heard about this opportunity.
Last edited by Tommy Tourette : 11-14-2009 at 09:37 AM.
I'm really happy with Organo Gold. I love the coffee. It makes me feel great. However, there is this one leader named Jay who tries to act like he is the owner of the company. I found out he's not. Just a big ego I guess. Anyways, its a man called Bernie and I hear he is smart and nice. I do like Jay and Shane's calls in the morning. So that's ok.
As I understand more information will be coming out in January 2010.
I saw that link already and found that interesting. However, as a Organo rep selling these products how do you overcome the availablity of products offered much cheaper like the ones offered on the link Noloanclosed has provided?
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***IMPORTANT NOTE****
The Link Posted above is a Older Link. The Matching Bonus part of the comp plan has been updated and is even better than before. Please Look at any OG replicated website and look at the ***** point or visit the company website(Not mine) at organogoldtv.com. The info is on there.
How do we compare?
Because the Quality of the Product. You get what you pay for.
The use of a Higher Quality Arabica Coffee Bean (Better tasting, also more expensive) and setting the Gold Standard in Ganoderma.
100% Certified Organic plus look at all their certifications other's don't have.
USDA, Japan, China and even EU Organic Certificates.
Notice none of the cheaper companies offer Ganoderma Spore Powder? There is a reason for this.
The way Organo Gold Processes their Ganoderma is also different.
If you want to see proof of any of the Certifications simply take a look at the Opportunity ***** Point and this info is in there. Again at Organogoldtv.com
If someone buys coffee ANYWHERE other than their house we are usually cheaper. Your talking Gourmet Latte for $1.50 a serving retail. Most of my customers are paying $1.89-5.00 somewhere else and it's not healthy.
I have some amazing Testimonials and love what this product did for myself and my family. Total 180 for my mom that was pretty much bed ridden. Simply google the word Ganoderma,(Any health ailment or body part you can think of)
Watch what comes up.
Also google the Word Adaptogen and look at the definition. Pretty amazing Info.
I hope this helps. I know alot of people that have failed miserably at alot of opportunities having great success with OG. Simply share and care with others and watch what comes back to you. Be SURE to get their info for follow up. I NEVER give packages away without their info. I would go broke.
If someone does not give me info and wants to try the coffee they pay for the packages. I have gathered many customers this way as well.
FOLLOW THE SYSTEM... I can't stress this enough. The System was put in place for a reason. IT WORKS!!!!
I hope everyone has a wonderful holidays.
Thanks.
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For some of the Best and HEALTHIEST coffee you have ever had. Try Ganoderma Coffee. Ganoderma is incrediable.
Thanks.
Last edited by MrEnergy526 : 11-23-2009 at 04:19 AM.
I saw that link already and found that interesting. However, as a Organo rep selling these products how do you overcome the availablity of products offered much cheaper like the ones offered on the link Noloanclosed has provided?
I suspect that the easy answer to your question is a combination of the following;
-Selling the features and benefits which are made very clear in the promo material. The manufacturing process is detailed and ingredients are known and unique.
-The level of branding, reputation and ability to deliver serious quality are major factors.
(If people want Wally-world coffee they can get tons of cheap stuff. There always will be a market for cheap pricing and cheap product.)
The difference is Mercedes vs. Hyundai. Godiva vs. Hershey. Rolex vs. knockoffs. I'm sure that you get the picture.
I encourage those who want the cheaper coffee, to obtain same. There are a few people out there who would prefer cheaper coffee than Starbucks.
However, look at Starbucks' numbers... that tells the whole story.
I did think about it. The Duplication has been excellent and it is international being in 8 countries and growing.
When considering that most franchise's have coffee thats more expensive and people understand the Benefit of Ganoderma the price is great.
I went from drinking $2.49-$5.00 Latte's to $1.50 retail and now get it wholesale or free. Plus I love how it makes me feel. Well worth it.
It's a Habit for people. Addiction for some. Take a Bad Habit and Make it a Good one with Great tasting healthy Coffee.
No Brainer really.
I love being a Ganoderma sales person if thats what you want to call it. I personally develop other people that want to make better incomes. With 400+ testimonials you like it more and more everyday.
I will take a Hand Shake knowing I helped someone over a internet business anyday.
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For some of the Best and HEALTHIEST coffee you have ever had. Try Ganoderma Coffee. Ganoderma is incrediable.
Thanks.
Last edited by MrEnergy526 : 11-23-2009 at 09:03 PM.
2) It is an ISO 9000 certified company. ISO ratings are difficult to attain unless a company has resources and service history.
speaking from personal experience, ISO 9000 certification is not difficult to obtain. It is also pretty useless. It just means you have standard processes and that you follow them. The processes could be terrible...you could have a standard process to blow up the factory if a defect is detected....as long as the process is documented and said documentation is accessible, you could be certified.
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3) It has received some endorsements from major, legit organizations and persons.
if they are so major, why not name them?
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4) The product is top shelf and it is only a matter of time before this company goes big, bigtime.
do the products come with the hype built-in or are you just adding that yourself?
I'm interested in Coffee Products - especially instant and easy/quick to make coffee , so I have tried a few ganoderma varieties - and I noticed the taste varies quite dramatically - so I recommend trying a few brands of it before you commit to a company. There was one really cheap brand I tried that tasted disgusting, where as I tried another one and it earned the title of gourmet in terms of taste.
When Organo Gold ships to the UK, I will try some.
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No, not oops - more like deliberate.
You joined in January 2010 and came right to this topic.
In regard to the website referenced.
Not Good, Not Good?
Exactly correct -- bigtime not good for the people that have opened themselves up for a lesson regarding the difference between freedom of speech and slander.
Last edited by Tommy Tourette : 01-18-2010 at 07:05 AM.
Tommy,
Deliberate? lol. Wow.
I am sorry that you feel that way. I drink the product and enjoy it. Someone I had shared the product with brought that link to my attention over the weekend.
When I witnessed what was in that link I thought I should share it.
I don't know the politics of it. I am not affiliated business wise with anyone. I own traditional business and do very well.
Someone approached me with the OG opportunity and I thought it looked great. I have been in this industry in the past with some success. I passed on it due to my investment in my traditional business and the lack of time I already have.
The thing I can tell you is that I have not even taken the time to listen to it. But I can read.
If I was in a Opportunity I would want to know all about it. Good or Bad to make sure it's the right thing.
Your looking too Deep into things saying that it's the 1st thing I posted on. I did because I know the product. I have tried the Black, Green Tea and the Spore Caps. Again I enjoy the product. Just hope I continue to get them.
I appreciate your reply and apologize for a jump of the gun in commenting on your post.
Recently, during a discussion with some OG marketeers, I commented on the reference to the OGScam website and other possible PR liabilities.
However, some people choose to attempt to degrade the company.
It is my understanding that the OG Compliance people are looking at that specific site and searching for other issues in the public domain.
On a positive note I will mention here that The Napoleon Hill Corp has endorsed OG (the first time in their history endorsing a company, I might add).
That endorsment is one of the most significant plusses in business today in regards to integrity, as minor is it may seem.
I am very confident that OG will go on to continue to be a very well-managed company, having a superb product, business operation and marketing prescence.
Most assuredly you will be able to continue to purchase the product and soon, new concepts now in the R&D stages.
Again my apology in a hasty comment to you. Have a great weekend..
TT
Thats ok Tommy. I will let you know that with my research on this so that friends of mine do not get burned.
I have come to find out that it was Jay Noland that did the Collaboration with the Napoleon Hill Foundation on OG's behalf when with them. Glad that things went ok with that after he departed.
I have been digging pretty deep over the last 3-4 days.
I am not trying to be a Dream Zapper from my friends. Just making sure they have all the facts before investing their future in something is all. I am the Business Person of the group and know what it takes. I have to settle them down off of HYPE mountain and help them realize that it's called net-WORKING for a reason. lol.
I have helped them alot in the understanding of business and one of the most helpful books ever is Small Business for Dummies.
Helps them get a grasp on it.
Goodluck to all people in Business. It's rough out there.
I hope OG does get things worked out. Again I am a Huge Fan of the Product.
P. Juarez
Last edited by CommonSenseMan : 01-23-2010 at 01:53 PM.
I appreciate your position and admire your looking out for friends. That's very cool.
Here is what I understand based on conversations with the HQ types.
Public relations is a very serious subject with the company and they are focused on resolution of any issues.
-Sites such as you referred are in the process of being challenged.
-We are looking for more dirt in the public domain, in order to pass to the compliance department, for resolution
As you are in the process of due diligence -- please consider my offer to put you in contact with the higher-ups for clarification, if you wish.
Also, please contact me if I may be of assistance to you or associates. I'm available to answer questions, or provide complementary product samples.
TT
Being an Arabica coffee enthusiast, researcher, roaster, and all things coffee, the first thing to clear up is this is not being promoted as coffee nearly as much as it is being promoted as a mushroom!
There is NO scientific evidence presented anywhere on the OG website or anywhere else that I have seen, to provide proof of any of the claims being made regarding antioxidant value for starters. All the information available at present are the usual testimonials, which are just about as reliable as the placebo effect, meaning any perceived benefits can be due to the belief or desire of the individual more so than the presumed benefits of the coffee.
I have tried the OG Black Coffee today, April 13, 2010, and since I drink black, East Coast Roast, Arabica coffee, roasted within the last 14 days, whole bean, freshly ground and brewed, it would be totally unfair to try and compare this product, which has been pre-ground and stored in packets for who knows how long, made from what grade and blend of what coffee beans from where. The taste to me was at best mediocre.
Doing a muscle test to see what that revealed, as to what the value and health benefits of the coffee/mushroom blend is, compared to regular coffee, the results were completely neutral, meaning this product does not seem to offer any special benefit healthwise according to a proven test using applied kinesiology.
As to the business and MLM, that appears to be legit, well funded and a possible opportunity for those whose only sincere interest is to make money.
If the desire is to help others improve their health, the facts may be different than what testimonials report, as with any of the much promoted super-fruit beverages and products flooding the market today.
If the desire is to really help people improve their financial situation, then start by showing you care more about teaching them what you know and can help them duplicate. If you haven't done it, you can't teach it, and it's just about getting into someone's pocket! Just sayin'...
Last edited by alanj1 : 04-13-2010 at 10:58 AM.
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Feeling a little nervous?
Grand Ma felt that way months ago and is making money with another company that doesn't operate out of a barn and a garage in Vegas.
Oh, I know. You don't believe it. Shane and Holton have told you so.
So, as Grand Ma always says, keep giving them your money.
OG the fastest growing farm, I mean company on Earth !!!
This company was founded by Bernie Chuy who used to be the head marketer at Gano Excel. Gano Excel and Chuy parted ways. Then Chuy started his Organo Gold which markets the same product but und a different brand. One big problem is that OrganoGold does not own the plantations that the Mushrooms are grown. They are owned by Gano Excel. I would cautious of any MLM that does not own its source. BEWARE!
While I do NOT like to support Organo Gold I can tell you that Vanrols your information is INCORRECT... Sorry that your source is Dead Wrong. The Gano Farm and the Source for OG are a LONG way from each other. Gano may use the same farm as OG a back up source or something but it is NOT OWNED by Gano Excel.
If you are Muslim. Listen up.
**Very Important**
Organo Gold does not tell you this but their Latte, Mocha and Hot Chocolate all contain ALUMINUM.. If your Not Muslim but are against using ALUMINUM then you may want to educate people about this.
I have witnessed MANY faces when I am getting Pitched or see someone at an event that IS MUSLIM and I educate them about whats in the product.
This company is all about RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT. I wish they worked with the Masses a lil more. Alot of great people failing in OG because the lack of training for the small people.
This company could use a HUGE education in training for the masses and lacks it in a BAD WAY!!!!!!
MLMWATCHDOG.COM
The OG Class Action Lawsuit is here
So many people are sooooo happy with Holton and Shane Moron that they have a yahoo e-mail to start something really big
It reads.....
If you've been hurt by Organo gold, send us an email at: ogScam@yahoo.com. A Group of distributors are getting together to launch a Class Action Lawsuit. Many have not received the right products, many have not received the literatures and forms that are supposed to come with the business kit, many have not received their commissions checks, many are still waiting to receive their products. and many have been wrongfully terminated. We sincerely believe that it's your Right to demand what's Right. When you email us at: ogScam@yahoo.com
Yes, OG is doing business in those countries outside of the grand ole U.S.A.
Yes, they are doing business as in selling products and signing people up.
NO - They are NOT conducting business LEAGALLY. Do you know what how much time in jail you can get in Germany if you make a fake income claim?
Have Shame Moron and Holton the innocent show you the legal papers. They won't cause they can't.
However, as we always say.....give them all your $$$$$$$$
If you are SO sure about your wild accusations then I would assume you would take it upon yourself to get the whole operation shut down since it would not be to hard to do but since you lack any credibility all you have is absurd claims....
Sergio, Grandma is too old to getting into a pissing contest with a nice young man. And I am sure you are fine gentleman just trying to make some extra money.
I have been around this industry for a long time. Like Amway in 1953. I know a lot of people and have made OK money. Trust me, OG is not operating in those countries legally, but hey don't listen to me you just keep giving Holton and Shame all your money and call me crazy.
One thing I know and that is: Past behaviour is always an indication of future action: Like this.
Listen honey, I know its hard to take, but its what Grand Pa and I and so many of us went through at Cyberwise. We didn't want to believe anything outsiders were telling us either.
That's why I now trust this old, but great quote:
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher-1788 - 1860
A nice man gave me that quote after I read the following back in 2008 and lost a lot of money.
3/20/2008 4:21:57 PM
Today CyberWize filed a legal action naming Holton Buggs for “Breach of Contract; Tortious Interference with Contracts and Business Relationships; Misappropriation of Trade Secrets and other Confidential and Proprietary Information; Defamation; and Other Wrongful Conduct.”
This action seeks a judgment of $13 MILLION for violations by Buggs, including the violation of his “Non-solicitation of CyberWize IBOs and Customers” and his similar agreement not to misuse the Genealogies and Downline Activity Reports provided by CyberWize.
CyberWize has been tracking the back-office activities of defecting IBOs and has discovered and identified a number of defecting IBOs accessing this proprietary CyberWize information immediately before and after they have been persuaded by Buggs to leave CyberWize for another network marketing company. Misuse of these genealogies and other violations activates penalties that “entitle CyberWize to immediate injunctive relief and a monetary penalty of $5,000 per occurrence,” per the Buggs IBO agreement with CyberWize prohibiting him for one year after termination from "attempted solicitation, encouragement, or effort to influence in any other way, either directly, through a third party, or indirectly...another CyberWize.com IBO or customer to enroll or participate in another network marketing company." (click here to see the signed agreement)
A number of similar actions will be filed against other violators.
CyberWize continues to encourage IBOs who have been misled to reconsider the financial consequences of their actions and to search their hearts as to whether they choose to begin a marketing venture built on the foundation of their violation of contracts with CyberWize (For information and support contact your CyberWize-loyal upline leader. To find out who your upline leader is, call 941-328-6007.) A number of IBOs who were deceived already have returned. However, in the event IBOs choose such violation, CyberWize has no choice but to protect your business opportunity.
CyberWize is supported in this commitment by hundreds of leaders in the field, including Diamonds Susan Walsh and Steven Thompson and our Double Diamonds Brad and Marcia Hager.
Buggs Terminated for a Continuing History of Violations.
Holton Buggs was terminated as an IBO last Friday, November 16, 2007. This termination culminated from a history of rule breaking, for which Buggs had been suspended on August 17, 2007. Following months of investigation, Buggs confessed numerous violations of the Policies and Procedures and was put on a two-year probation and fined $150,000. Buggs further agreed that if he were “indicted or charged with any criminal offense, either misdemeanor or felony” especially as regards his previous violations (that had snared a number of CyberWize IBOs into investing hundreds of thousands of dollars into 14 Daily Plus, hundreds of thousands of dollars which were lost by IBOs when the company went out of business), he would immediately be terminated.
Buggs admits failure “to disclose the complete truth.”
At the time of his agreement not again to violate CyberWize Policies and Procedures, Buggs admitted he had “failed to disclose the complete truth regarding the foregoing allegations.” And in a statement to his organization he confessed: “I made some unfortunate business decisions. What makes me most unhappy about that is that there are people who may have been influenced by my example.”
“Cash Cow”: Demand Your Refund!
On August 17, 2007, Buggs agreed to recall and destroy immediately all copies of his training CD “Cash Cow.” However, it has come to our attention that Buggs violated this agreement, did not recall the CD, and continued to allow the CD to be sold by his agents. Anyone in possession of “Cash Cow” should cease to use the materials and seek immediate refund from Holton Buggs and/or the person who sold it to you. Any use of “Cash Cow” in CyberWize meetings or trainings is a serious violation of CyberWize Policies and Procedures requiring independently produced materials to be approved by CyberWize.
As we respond to the constant rumor mongering by Buggs and his associates, we will keep you informed of progress.
However, tomorrow we shall return our full attention to the more important business of helping you push forward, build, and support your CyberWize Business!!
And after that Mr. Sergio we all started to find things like this:
Submitted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
I bought 4 positions for 9k each or 36k with 14 Daily Plus because I had every confidence in the world that Bill Fox and Holton Buggs would never involve themselves with an illegitimate company or any business that was a scam. I lost a majority of my money, and I know that most people never even received any payments. I personlly know or have had conversations with individuals that believe Holton and Bill's groups brought in well over 1 million dollars to this scam.
From what I had been told Holton was making close to 100K/month in another network marketing company, and Bill Fox was making 30K-40K/month. During conference calls both Bill and Holton talked about Tony Renfrow's (owners) credibility, his business plan, and his 5 year plan to assure that everyone would make money. This opportunity to make income and help others make income had a ONE UP pay plan. I was told that not only could I make money, but I could help others as well.
I strongly believed in Network Marketing, and the individuals that were promoting this business so I jumped in full force. Holton and Bill had a strong track record of success in Network Marketing so I was following their lead.
This scam was very complex, and looking back I realize how they were able to facilitate the scam. I know they were taking in cash from recruits, paying out cash to themselves and a few others, operating a fake payment processor called Midas Touch. All of these things allowed them to take big profits and further the scam by making people think it was paying. They made a majority of the money while almost everyone else lost 100's of thousands of dollars.
Holton and Bill were the leaders of their respective groups, which I was told were the biggest groups in 14Daily, and bringing in the most recruits and $'s. This fact alone, I was told, would assure our group of getting prioritized for payment.
It turned out that these guys were hoarding the profits, which caused many individuals to lose money. In my opinion they sucked the system dry by making sure they padded their pockets at the expense of others. I hope everyone that lost money takes the time to report what happened to the local DA's office. Go online and file reports with the Attorney Generals of the respective states. The money these guys made was in the 100's of thousands each, and they should be forced to pay it back. They money lost has to be in the millions. Make your own report and lets force these scam artists to pay back the people they took advantage of.
Randall
So Sergio you nice young man, do what I always tell people to do: Take all of your money and just give it to Holton and Shane. Just like all the other companies they have been with, nothing like the above will ever happen again and this company will be in business forever. Ask anyone in MLM - nothing bad ever repeats itself !!!!!!!
I believe this "thread" was created to assess whether or not Organo Gold is Legit and a viable MLM business model....
It clearly appears to be...
Show me proof that it not?
Seriously...
Since you come across as someone who has insiders information why don't you disclose what the "current" status is regarding Holton Buggs and Cyberwize...
I think you find nothing..."nada"
Not sure why you fine adults keep touting "Give Shane and Holton all your money"
It comes across as childish and immature...
Thus far, you lack crediablity and substance in regards to Organo Gold being a "scam'...
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