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Old 03-12-2009, 10:48 PM
spnfxr@aol.com spnfxr@aol.com is offline
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Domain Buying Scam

Here is a new domain buying scam I just delt with. They seem to be first trying to make you pay for an unheard of domain appraisal website called domain explorer org (I took out the hyperlink because I don't want them to get a free real link)for an evaluation. Here it is in full:

Hello,
We are interested in your domain name for sale. Investing in domains is a profitable business. We are in real estate business. Sometimes we buy, sometimes we resell for making a profit.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Steven Campanella
Vice President
Elite Investment Group

To which I reply that they can feel free to submit an offer. Here is his next response:

"We both need independent valuation first. Sellers always provide buyers with valuations. This is a common practice.

I don't trust $14 services like that GoDaddy's valuation service. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service. I researched several companies and here are the results:

I wanted to engage XXXXXXXX.com (again no free links, especially since they are not even relevant to the situation and not likely real) as appraiser but looks like this company has very bad reputation
Just read this blog
XXXXXXXXX.com/
So I'm not going to accept this fraudulent service.

I also considered www.AXXXXXXXX.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
aXXXXXXX.com/ "Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, AXXXXXX is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."I was told about manual research service from xxxxxxxxxx.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested me Domain Explorer org as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. I've read only positive comments about them."

To which I reply that I will be happy to use a real service only.

They then reply:
"No deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple rule has saved
me a lot of money and time. Feel free to contact me when you change your position and let's do business the right way."

So I know for sure it is a scam at this point, so I say:

"Okay, feel free to use your service and I will sell you the domain at this price, but you can pay for the evaluation"

They then reply with the exact same cut and paste:
"No deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple rule has saved me a lot of money and time. Feel free to contact me when you change your position and let's do business the right way."

At that point I stated that this was obviously a scam and asked if they owned Domain Explorer org. I told them that I would report this if they did not get back to me with an explaination. Of course they did not



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Old 03-31-2009, 03:32 AM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I have had this scam too.

I can verify it IS a scam.

Here is my experience thus far with a Charles Highsmith from Elite Investment Gmbh:

Quote:
29 March 2009 05:13
Highsmith to Josh

Subject: weeklytune.com (sent 03/28/09)

Hello,

What is the price of your domain?

Investing in domains is a profitable business and our company is
interested in good and easy-to-remember domain names.

Looking forward to do business with you.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Regards,
Charles Highsmith
CEO
Elite Invest Gmbh
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29 March 2009 10:23
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi,

Thanks for your email!

--OMITTED--

Look forward to hearing from you,

Regards,
Josh


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29 March 2009 23:34
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

Sorry for delay with answer. Our family was celebrating newborn child of my sister.

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://domainblog.007sites.com/683014.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


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30 March 2009 02:29
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi Charles,

---OMITTED---

Thanks again,

Josh


------------------------------
30 March 2009 08:43
Highsmith to me

It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.


------------------------------
30 March 2009 09:03
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi again,

I am organising a domain appraisal.

I will let you know as soon as I get them back.

Out of interest, how did you come by my domain?

Thanks,
Josh


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30 March 2009 20:21
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

Ok. Please note I will only accept appraisal from a source I trust.


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30 March 2009 20:25
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

In that case, which are the top three that you trust?


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31 March 2009 10:31
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

I researched several companies and here are the results:

I wanted to engage AccurateDomains.com as appraiser but looks like this company has very bad reputation
Just read this blog
http://accuratedomains.blogspot.com/
So I'm not going to accept this fraudulent service.

I also considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630


I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested me www.DomainExplorer.org as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. I've read only positive comments about them.


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31 March 2009 10:42
Josh to Highsmith
10:42

Reply

Thanks a lot for your detailed response.

At the moment I have on order an appraisal from moniker.com - is this going to be usable for you?

Thanks,
Josh
Suffice to say, if you examine this email closely there are some seriously questionable aspects already. Not to mention lack of responsiveness to questions I have asked (some have been omitted).

Please people be vigilant to such emails, especially when they appear to direct you to a specific "safe" appraisal service.

http://www.domainexplorer.org is a scam
http://www.domainexplorer.org is a big bad scam

In fact, suffice to say, so to the search engines out there I get my point across...

http://www.domainexplorer.org is evil



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Old 03-31-2009, 03:33 AM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I can confirm this IS a scam doing the rounds right now

Watch out for fake message boards discussing good domain appraisal services, in particular:

http://domainblog.007sites.com/683014.htm

Here is my experience thus far with a Charles Highsmith from Elite Investment Gmbh:

Quote:
29 March 2009 05:13
Highsmith to Josh

Subject: weeklytune.com (sent 03/28/09)

Hello,

What is the price of your domain?

Investing in domains is a profitable business and our company is
interested in good and easy-to-remember domain names.

Looking forward to do business with you.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Regards,
Charles Highsmith
CEO
Elite Invest Gmbh
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information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
================================================== ======


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29 March 2009 10:23
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi,

Thanks for your email!

--OMITTED--

Look forward to hearing from you,

Regards,
Josh


------------------------------
29 March 2009 23:34
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

Sorry for delay with answer. Our family was celebrating newborn child of my sister.

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://domainblog.007sites.com/683014.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


------------------------------
30 March 2009 02:29
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi Charles,

---OMITTED---

Thanks again,

Josh


------------------------------
30 March 2009 08:43
Highsmith to me

It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.


------------------------------
30 March 2009 09:03
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

Hi again,

I am organising a domain appraisal.

I will let you know as soon as I get them back.

Out of interest, how did you come by my domain?

Thanks,
Josh


------------------------------
30 March 2009 20:21
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

Ok. Please note I will only accept appraisal from a source I trust.


------------------------------
30 March 2009 20:25
Josh to Highsmith

Reply

In that case, which are the top three that you trust?


------------------------------
31 March 2009 10:31
Highsmith to Josh

Reply

I researched several companies and here are the results:

I wanted to engage AccurateDomains.com as appraiser but looks like this company has very bad reputation
Just read this blog
http://accuratedomains.blogspot.com/
So I'm not going to accept this fraudulent service.

I also considered www.Afternic.com, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630


I was told about manual research service from http://www.DomainMart.com. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested me www.DomainExplorer.org as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. I've read only positive comments about them.


------------------------------
31 March 2009 10:42
Josh to Highsmith
10:42

Reply

Thanks a lot for your detailed response.

At the moment I have on order an appraisal from moniker.com - is this going to be usable for you?

Thanks,
Josh
Suffice to say, if you examine this email closely there are some seriously questionable aspects already. Not to mention lack of responsiveness to questions I have asked (some have been omitted).

Please people be vigilant to such emails, especially when they appear to direct you to a specific "safe" appraisal service.

http://www.domainexplorer.org is a scam
http://www.domainexplorer.org is a big bad scam

In fact, suffice to say, so to the search engines out there I get my point across...

http://www.domainexplorer.org is evil

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Old 03-31-2009, 06:19 PM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I have also received similar emails recently

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Old 04-01-2009, 12:51 PM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

What a bunch of ***** :)

http://www.domainexplorer.org/ scam

http://www.domainexplorer.org/ fraud

http://www.domainexplorer.org/ con

http://www.domainexplorer.org/ avoid

http://www.domainexplorer.org/ scum





Dear Sean,

please would you explain the following link?

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=740967



Kind Regards

Tim Marland





From: thompson@eliteinvestment.net
To: tjmarland@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: ********* (sent 04/01/09)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:22:03 +0400



Can you accept 15,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.


Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://domainblog.007sites.com/692017.htm



If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.






After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.






























----- Original Message -----
From: TJ .
To: thompson@eliteinvestment.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: RE:************(sent 04/01/09)


Hi there

Just listed the name yesterday, I am open to offers initally.

What type of domain names are you looking for as I have quite a few.

for instance i have *********

Kind Regards

Tim Marland



> From: thompson@eliteinvestment.net
> To: tjmarland@hotmail.com
> Subject: ******** (sent 04/01/09)
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:38:36 -0700
>
> Hello,
>
> What is the price of your domain?
>
> Investing in domains is a profitable business and our company is
> interested in good and easy-to-remember domain names.
>
> Looking forward to do business with you.
>
> If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.
>
> Regards,
> Sean Thompson
> CEO
> Elite Invest LLC
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> information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
> unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:26 PM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I've just had the same scam hit my inbox. He very nearly had me, until I got his fake "forum discussion" link..

First Email:
Quote:
from thompson@eliteinvestment.net

date 5 April 2009 08:05

Hello,
What is the price of your domain?
Investing in domains is a profitable business and our company is
interested in good and easy-to-remember domain names.
Looking forward to do business with you.
If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.
Regards,
Sean Thompson
CEO
Elite Invest LLC
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I give him my valuation and he comes back with $15,000 and the same old bull you've read in the other posts.

Lucky thing I never pay for valuations, that's up to the buyer. Keep this in mind and please don't get scammed by this criminal.

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Old 04-05-2009, 03:52 PM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

Try this one

http://www.websiteoutlook.com



Let us know what price they give you, we would be interested.

I also know that Sedo.com does
appraisals for a fee but I don't
know more than that

http://www.sedo.com

Casey
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:12 PM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

It valued UrbanSkaters.com at $2401.7 USD (not right, should be at least $24k) - it also valued my other site mytubestop.com at $1379.7 USD (a bit more realistic)

Quote:
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Try this one

http://www.websiteoutlook.com



Let us know what price they give you, we would be interested.

I also know that Sedo.com does
appraisals for a fee but I don't
know more than that

http://www.sedo.com

Casey

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Old 04-22-2009, 02:35 AM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I got the exact same mail - the original email was the same body but came from "Peter Urbanski"



Quote:
We were celebrating newborn child of my brother. I apologize for delay with
my answer.

Can you accept 15,000 USD for the following names:
----

--

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://---

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


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Old 04-22-2009, 11:02 AM
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Re: Domain Buying Scam

I can confirm that I have gotten the same scam offer. Stay away people!
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:46 PM
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Re: Domain Explorer Buying Scam

Count me in. This scumbag tried to take my domain too. thank GOD for these posts below. I counter offered with his 12% discount, then said, if you are serious, you can buy it on ebay (where it is currently listed) and pay via paypal (which protects me). I see the "president" has changed the name to protect the GUILTY!
BETCHA 10 outta 10 he goes away....
***************************
Hello,

How much do you ask for this domain for sale?

Our company invests in domains and developed web sites. If you have other
domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Ross Davis
President

Elite Web Investing & Hosting Solutions LLC
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MY RESPONSE WAS STATE YOUR BEST OFFER. THIS WAS THE RESPONSE.


Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.


To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.


Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
http://www.domainexplorer.org/Archive/92735216.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
Looking forward to your reply.

DOUCHE~BAGS!!!


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