gt trends travel - Global Travel

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Hey -- I think all of you guys are missing the point here and , basically, dancing around the real issues. And why must some of you use name-calling to get your points across --that's only a bad reflection on you. Later on this evening, when I have more time, I am going to post some FACTS that are relevant to this discussion. I'm not an MLM'er but I've done a ton of research on this subject.

I, for one, will be anxiously awaiting your professional expertise. Hopefully you will have some background in the travel field.

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by shallsetyoufree

I am open to looking at it but until then goodbye for now and I hope you have a nice day whoever you are.

And yet we have another fine example of a travel MLM "professional" that has refused to provide even one fact or answer one question. You gotta love the recruiters.

[weblet]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Hey -- I think all of you guys are missing the point here and , basically, dancing around the real issues. And why must some of you use name-calling to get your points across --that's only a bad reflection on you. Later on this evening, when I have more time, I am going to post some FACTS that are relevant to this discussion. I'm not an MLM'er but I've done a ton of research on this subject.

Yes, please enlighten us.

And if you make me snort my Diet Coke (with lime) all over my keyboard I'll be mad.

[put it out there baby]

Hey Tom, Isn't this the same company that was started by the World Ventures guys and that Rod belonged too way back when?????

From TM 2-23-07:

"I have an intense dislike of the principal leadership of World Ventures. I was involved in a previous travel mlm (Global Travel Trends aka GTT) where these now World Ventures principals were recruiting people knowingly into a company that did not provide their associate travel agents a legitimate travel business. If you look at a previous posting I made early in January 2007 you will see the names of the people who I know were involved."

[mfwuest]

Okay, there is a lot to cover but I am going to try and make it simple for now. First, let me say, that I am not a travel expert but just an interested consumer( and investigative reporter wanna-be!)I started investigating pyramid schemes and, specifically, GT Trends for personal reasons. When I first looked in to pyramid schemes I was fairly neutral although I knew they had a bad reputation. But the facts I will list have swayed me to one side.
You guys who are arguing against GT Trends are failing to bring up pertinent factual information and, instead, sound pretty emotional about the whole thing. So here are the facts I would like to point out.
FACT#1 There is a certain kind of business known as a pyramid plan that is ILLEGAL in the state of California.It is illegal because the vast majority of reps who join end up losing money(estimated between 95% to 99%).
Fact#2 A pyramid scheme is defined as a business in which the majority of income is earned through recruitment rather than the sale of products or services.
FACT#3 A GT Trends rep can make far more money on recruiting rather than the actual sale of travel. In fact a rep can make money from recruiting without ever selling any travel. Thus, GT Trends qualifies as a pyramid scheme.
FACT#4 People knowingly participating in a pyramid scheme are choosing to participate in an ILLEGAL business activity.
FACT#5 Just recently the Ca State Attorney General filed a suit against a similar business named YTB and in May a judgment was filed that basically ended YTB's blatant pyramid scheme by placing several restrictions on its operation.( See Office of Attorney general News Release Mat 14, 2009 "Brown Ends YTB's Travel Pyramid Sceme".
FACT#6 GT Trends has many similarities to YTB and if it had to abide by all of the restrictions placed on YTB it would most likely fold.
Well, that's enough for now -- there are a lot more facts to mention but I think you can see where I'm going with this. I don't know why people can't just share information without getting upset about it. By the way, even though I may disagree about some things with the guy named Dan I know him personally and he is a well-intentioned guy with a big heart who just sees things differently right now -- so NO MORE NAME CALLING!!!!!
more later

[put it out there baby]

Gee, all that was so enlightening.....NOT! I think we already pretty much know all of that. Have you read the several Travel MLM threads on here, the info, facts, data, posts, articles, figures etc.? Got anything new that has not been discussed/pointed out dozens of times already on all of those threads? May I suggest a wannabe career change from being an investigative reporter to something you might actually be good at? ROTFL

[put it out there baby]

Originally Posted by No_Moron_Here

I, for one, will be anxiously awaiting your professional expertise. Hopefully you will have some background in the travel field.

Don't hold your breath. lol

[mfwuest]

Obviously YOU know these things but my point is that we should stick with facts when debating about the rightness or wrongness of a business venture. Calling someone a "scammer" and a "jerkoff" is soooo unenlightened and absolutely does not help one's cause. I really am curious, why is everyone so upset?

[put it out there baby]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Obviously YOU know these things but my point is that we should stick with facts when debating about the rightness or wrongness of a business venture. Calling someone a "scammer" and a "jerkoff" is soooo unenlightened and absolutely does not help one's cause. I really am curious, why is everyone so upset?

Welcome to Scam. This isn't a tea party forum. If you had spent your life working in the legit Travel Industry, you might have a small clue as to why many posters and long time members of this forum are "upset" about Travel MLMs. The fact that you even have to ask this, proves my point. The TAs and others in the Travel Industry ARE debating the issues and pointing out the truth, the facts, and asking the pertinent questions of the scammers...... or did you miss all of that dialogue? Since you are not in the Travel business, that rather leaves you out. Look at the posts of NMH, Bruce, Ann, and John. THEY know what the hell they are talking about and know how to bring out the truth of these scams. Do you even understand/comprehend what they are saying? Unless you know exactly how GT operates in great detail and what it is about and what this means in relationship to legit travel agencies and what real TAs do etc., again, what you are posting is not germane to the specifics of this discussion; it's just general info that the regulars already know.

By the way, the members, the owners and the pimps of Travel MLMs are assholes, scammers, jerk-offs, liars, cheats, SOB's, bastards and a variety of other such descriptions. Stick around long enough and you will hear them all.

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Obviously YOU know these things but my point is that we should stick with facts when debating about the rightness or wrongness of a business venture. Calling someone a "scammer" and a "jerkoff" is soooo unenlightened and absolutely does not help one's cause. I really am curious, why is everyone so upset?

We have stuck with the facts. We ask for proof from the recruiters and we get nothing but bullshit. And they are scams and scammers. Jerkoff was a term of endearment.

Why are we upset? Because as real, genuine, seasoned, travel professionals that have been in this business for years, these lowlife scum-sucking weasels put a black eye on the legitimate travel agent and supplier community. Understand?

[mfwuest]

I can certainly understand your anger and I am totally against pyramid schemes, just for the record.

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

I can certainly understand your anger and I am totally against pyramid schemes, just for the record.

It's not anger. It's total disgust and contempt for these weasels. I used to feel sorry for the suckers that were gullible enough to fall for this crap, but no longer. They're brainwashed and when they can't make any money, they go in denial or lie.

[mfwuest]

How would one go about proving whether or not G T Trends actually bought TFI Tours? Any suggestions?

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

How would one go about proving whether or not G T Trends actually bought TFI Tours? Any suggestions?

Ask to see the proof. They are not registered to sell travel in any of the states which requires it. It has to be listed on the website. Under Global Travel Trends, there is no dba. The owner is listed on the BBB site. Different name than the GTT owner. Of course, who really knows what's accurate from the BBB. Pay them a membership fee and they'll change the rating faster than the check can clear. It's really not important though since TFI is a tiny company with very few hits. In other words, insignificant and almost non-existent.

[weblet]

Originally Posted by put it out there baby

Welcome to Scam. This isn't a tea party forum.

Haha. I do try to keep some sense of decorum here...

[mfwuest]

Happy Saturday! Here's a question that I've been wondering about -- it might be relevant or it might not . GTTrends does not have an active status in ca anymore. However, GTTrends does have an active status in nevada. Strangely enough, GT Trends is registered under two separate corporations. Global Travel Trends, Inc #E0042362005-1 with president Padma Hughes and GTTrends, Inc #E0042482005-5 with president Ron Armstrong but in reality they are the same company. Can somebody tell me what purpose this might serve?

[mfwuest]

Also, as a side note, I found 3 different business entities in Ca -all versions of GTTrends- and all with forfeited or suspended status.

[put it out there baby]

Originally Posted by weblet

Haha. I do try to keep some sense of decorum here...

That's because you are the only poster on this entire forum who has any class, dignity and taste and you are a true "lady". Besides, who else can reel Tom and I in better than you? Still loving your little dinosaur xxxxooooGerry

[mfwuest]

Wow! where did everybody go!? I guess now that Dan isn't posting the piranhas are taking a break.

[weblet]

Well, NMH is on vaca...

[No_Moron_Here]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Wow! where did everybody go!? I guess now that Dan isn't posting the piranhas are taking a break.

And what would be the point? We've already debunked everything he said or thinks he knows. We asked pointed questions which he refused to answer. He made claim after claim and offered no backup. Once he stopped posting, it was pointless. Well, except for this gem:

Originally Posted by shallsetyoufree

TFI Tours which we bought holds the proper licensing and has an A+ rating with the BBB.

And I offer up the following:

Re: Complaint about a Seller of Travel Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:15 AM
From: "Juliana xxxxxxx" Juliana.xxxxxxx@ doj.ca.gov
To: "xxxxxxx@xxxxxvac.com"

Company Name: TFI Tours
Company Address: 1270 Broadway, Suite 409
Company City: NYC
Company State: NY
Company Zip: 10001
Company Phone Number: 800 745-8000 or 212 736-1140
Company Contact Person: Eric S. Schoenberger, President
Company Web Site: www.tfitours.com
How did you hear about this company: LA Times advertisement
Registration Number:
Subject: Invalid SOT #
Date Of Transaction:
Form of Payment:
Amount Paid:
Disputed Amount:
Send This Complaint To The Business listed Above: Yes

Message: This company advertises in the LA Times every week, says it's a member of the LA BBB, and lists it's CA SOT #2013975 which is not valid.

Last ad in LA Times was 10-04-09.

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Dear Tom,

Thank you for contacting the California Attorney General’s Office regarding your Seller of Travel concerns. This information will be forwarded to our enforcement unit. We appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention.

Thanks
Juliana

[Joe Smith]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Happy Saturday! Here's a question that I've been wondering about -- it might be relevant or it might not . GTTrends does not have an active status in ca anymore. However, GTTrends does have an active status in nevada. Strangely enough, GT Trends is registered under two separate corporations. Global Travel Trends, Inc #E0042362005-1 with president Padma Hughes and GTTrends, Inc #E0042482005-5 with president Ron Armstrong but in reality they are the same company. Can somebody tell me what purpose this might serve?

If you look in the "Status Definitions" section you will see that they have either failed to file or pay taxes or, failed to file the required Statement of Information. As far as I am concerned if they will not comply with the state's business laws where their corporate headquarters are located they are a scam. It is only a matter of time before the state takes further action against them.

[Joe Smith]

Originally Posted by mfwuest

Hey everybody! What ever happened to the postings on G T Trends and Ron Armstrong? Did the ever get a legit number from ARC/IANAN or CLIA? Will they or can they ever actually go public? Please, somebody share something!

They do not have a number and they have so many skeletons in the closet that they can never go public.

[Joe Smith]

The prince was a bust. Guess he saw throught Ron's lies. There are other warnings on this site about them which everyone should read and heed. Total scam.

[Joe Smith]

[quote=shallsetyoufree;810632]

Originally Posted by shallsetyoufree

Anyone on this blog is welcome to call our main office or visit the website. Or even come up to Chico, CA, We are strong and moving along.

So I called the office like you suggested and they won't even give me their address so I can come up and check them our like you say. When I asked why I was told that they do not allow visitors. The address on the website is just a mail box location. Makes me wonder what they are hiding from.

[mfwuest]

How do you know and what do you know about the Prince? And why do you have an interest in discrediting GT Trends? Just curious.

[Joe Smith]

You can view the Prince speaking about GT Trends on youtube. That was 2 years ago and there has been nothing from him since. Ron and Padma are the ones discrediting GT Trends. They make promises they cannot keep in order to get, or keep, your money. What I know to be true is that GT Trends owes me money from 2007 and 2008 and I cannot get anybody to tell when it will be paid.

[alwaysgotscam]

Gttrends is a scam. I have a friend who joined gttrends but they never give her laptap as they promised.

[franka46]

Can somebody tell me how long this company has been in Australia and how many of you have had any dealings with them.
There were a lot of bad reports during 2005/06.
Just wonder why they are still in business.