mzs, the majority of their cleaners are cheaper than what you can find in stores. Their health items are definitely more pricey, though.
Additionally, I took a look at the presentation (because I still have it) and it clearly states that your monthly purchase would equate to around $65. So, sorry, but I wouldn't be vouching for that friend because she wasn't following the materials Mela gives you to do an in home presentation if she said that it was only $12 a month. However, there is a chance that your wife got confused. If they were offering half price enrollment that would've been $12.50, she would still have to purchase products every month though. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think your wife just misunderstood.
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Here is what is wrong with Melaleuca: The items they sell, even at the "preferred customer price" is more than double a comparable item.
Antibacterial Soap: Melaleuca $4/8oz
Walgreens $1/8oz
Is the Melaleuca soap that much better??? Answer: No
And I have gone down the list: Each item is more than double!
Not a scam. Just a ripoff!
Oh, and yes their soap is that much better. I have a child with excema, I have to shell out big time at the local grocery store to buy soap, lotion, and laundry detergent that doesn't irritate her skin. Before I left Mela, though, I bought a TON of Renew and a TON of their laundry detergent because it was much cheaper. I can't buy cheap soap, the $1 at Wal Mart or other stores causes my daughters skin to get rashes. I never had a problem with the Mela soap doing that.
So for you, maybe it was overpriced, but for anyone who has someone in their household with a problem like excema, they're really not that expensive compared to what you'd have to purchase at the grocery store.
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I have been using Melaleuca for a while now. I will include some of my fedback on this issue. The Tub and Tile cleaner is awesome, as well as the tough and tender, and laundry products. I don't like the smell of the Sol-U-Mel if that's what you are talking about. It has a very strong smell but it does get the job done. As for the laundry detergent people, my clothes always come out smelling clean, and the Pre-Spot works better than the Shout Stick. I used to swear by the shout stick, now I swear by this Pre-Spot. I have an infant now, and she is wearing some of my 3 year old daughter's hand me downs. I used the pre spot on the hand me downs and it took formula stains out from 3 years ago. I do know that if you don't concentrate the products correctly, they can be ineffective. My e-mail address is [Link removed by moderator] and my home office number is {Contact info removed by moderator}. I am willing to answer any questions you may have about the products.
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I have been with with this company for a while now, and it really is a wonderful company. The products are great and safe. I know this from personal experience. I'm actually floored at some of the claims people are making on here. If you have any questions, feel free to call me at my home office number {Signature file time?-KLH}
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Being from a "family of Attorneys" then you should have known better than to give your private financial information until you were sure this was a business you wanted to be involved in. Also, three day rule still applied. That's federal law and collectable in small claims court. There are always numerous lawsuits against lots of large companies, we are a sue happy nation. Geez, how incompetent are those attorneys in your family if you were unaware of identiy theft or the three day rule? I knew of these laws before I ever became a paralegal.
Then you should also now that most working people don't have access to the legal system and they continuily get ripped off by these high pressure scam artists. I cancelled my credit card to get rid of these bastards and they still call. The last box of their junk sits under a chair on my front porch waiting for a prepaid label to return it to them. It's so worthless they won't even do that. This company and you(a paid mouthpiece) are nothing more than bunko scammers and should be jailed as financial terriorists. MELALEUCA is scum and all that follow their propaganda are sheep being fleeced. They should publish a list of all the people they have scammed, you'd hear some real horror stories.
First, what is a “pyramid scam?” The term usually refers to a scheme where the people at the top of a list of a list receive money from people at the bottom of the list. Since there are no products purchased, money is actually donated to the top level people. The people who never make it to the top of the list, lose their money. So, is Melaleuca a pyramid scam? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Every marketer in Melaleuca is a customer who buys products ONLY FOR THEIR OWN USE, just like going to a store. Sales commissions go to people who enrolled them as members, just like a store where, the salesperson gets a commission, the Sales Manager gets a commission, the store owner gets a commission, the advertising agency gets a commission, the manufacturer gets a commission.
So, is this a pyramid? No…. because there are products sold. No one loses. everybody wins. A “pyramid scheme” has no products.
You say very little products are sold. Do your research. Melaleuca has thousands of satisfied customers, who love the products we buy. They don't pollute, they work better, and they cost less than anything you can buy at the supermarket. I am a very happy customer, and I know many many more.
It's really hard to get burned in Melaleuca. You have to try really hard to lose. If you really did, I don't know how you did it. Use every product you received and send the empty bottles back and you'll get all your money back --including shipping, and your membership fee as well.
Please stop spreading lies about this great company.
Many articles, books, and scientific journals have explored and studied the concept of “brainwashing” as it applies to business opportunities that are predominantly focused on recruiting e.g. Multilevel Marketing. Indoctrination depends heavily upon the frame of mind, life circumstances and level of stress occurring in the “victims” life at the time of initial contact. One of the most important attributes that victims tend to possess is a “need to belong.” Research has clearly documented and established that those most easily persuaded possess similar personality traits. The prime candidate for the predator or MLM Recruiter is an individual who is easily influenced or is “gullible,” and is in the midst of some inter-personal turmoil or stressor. These factors tend to reduce an individual’s ability to think clearly and objectively examine the business model. Instead, they are often bedazzled by the lure of success, the promise of earning large amounts of money, and the ability to enjoy a celebrity lifestyle that occurs seamlessly, quickly, and without the typical stress or strain of our capitalistic society. Common personality traits of those who easily succumb to this business model follow. This list is not all inclusive, nor does one have to possess every trait to be considered an “easy mark.” Hence those individuals who are most easily indoctrinated exhibit:
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You really ought to talk to some Melaleuca customers before you spread this kind of stuff. If you did, you would find many many satisfied customers who love their products and can easily prove to you that the products cost less, work better, do not pollute. And the marketing plan works beautifully too. There is no scam here.
They break the law every day. They also make it almost impossible to get your money back. I wouldn't waste my time warning others if this wasn't a credible post. I come from a family of Attorneys & there are numerous lawsuits against this company all the time. Others who are scammed for under 1K usually don't bother seeking legal representation due to the expense.
It is a sad situation & fraud in the clearest sense of the word.
I'd like to know where you get your information. As far as I am aware, the only law suit ever filed against Melaleuca was back in the late 80's, prior to the restructuring of the company.
They can't take your money unless you give them permission to do so. If you don't sign the paperwork, they won't bill you; plain and simple. They cannot process anything without your signature. If you signed then quit whining.
I have been a member for nine years now, and I've never had a problem with them. Once they forgot to include an item I purchased. I called them to let them know, and they shipped the missing item at no cost to me the very same day.
My advice is to join only if you like the products and plan to use them. I have no back stock of products because I use everything I purchase from them, and I love every product I buy.
Melaleuca only requires a minimum product order each month. 35 product points is no a lot, especially if you use them. I used to spend more money at Wal-Mart on similar items, and I had to drive somewhere to get them. Now I order from home and get everything delivered to my door. If you can't afford Melaleuca, then you're still shopping at Wal-Mart for things Melaleuca offers.
If you can't make the business opportunity work for you, then that is your fault. Quit crying scam because of your own failures.
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I've seen many local friends roped into this scam. It is a scam, just like all MLMs. Do a web search about multi level marketing companies... most (like 98% of people) lose money to push products that are no better than those offered via traditional retail. The "sellers" don't actually sell product, only the potential to become rich under a guise of "green products". We may soon cancel legitimate business ties with one individual due to annoyance with his rants and sales pushes for melaleuca. Your friends will hate you if you go down this path!!!
Absolute nonesense. How can you have any credibility with this so called "scam" website when you have no idea what you are talking about. I've been a Melaleuca product user for 8 years. My family is very very health, and green conscious. We love the Melaleuca products. They do what they say they do. And the company delivers. Melaleuca has 800,000 customers. They've grown every year for 25 years. 95% of customers re-order every month, and they have a proven opportunity for people who've lost everything to get control of their lives again.
The scam companies are Proctor and Gamble and Johnson and Johnson and the other greedy companies who poison us, lie to us, misrepresent products, and spend fortunes to lobby and corrupt our Congress.
No, that is not all you need to do. I tried to cancel multiple ways and they still continued to charge me... MAJOR RED FLAG to anyone considering Melaleuca.. if they were on the up and up, it would not be a big deal to cancel.
Why so much noise about not being able to CANCEL? Just "think outside the box", cancel you card and take responsability for your not understanding what Melaleuca really represents.
I've seen many local friends roped into this scam. It is a scam, just like all MLMs. Do a web search about multi level marketing companies... most (like 98% of people) lose money to push products that are no better than those offered via traditional retail. The "sellers" don't actually sell product, only the potential to become rich under a guise of "green products". We may soon cancel legitimate business ties with one individual due to annoyance with his rants and sales pushes for melaleuca. Your friends will hate you if you go down this path!!!
If all MLM are scams they you have to take Melaleuca out of the list my friend.
It is difficult to make comparisons with all the products. And yes, I will admit that some appear to cost more than the competition. But if you take my favs and find me better products at any price I'll quite being a customer of Mel.
TubNTile. Nothing in the marketplace will clean the bathroom like it for any amount of money. If you find it, let me know. Tell me which other product you can give your children and send them on a cleaning mission.
Mela Brite. Expensive. But is it really? Whitens and brightens my clothes like no other product. But gentle to the touch. I can dip my hand into it for as long as I need and not a problem. What it there outhere like it?
And last but not least.
Cinamon Tooth Polish. No toothpaste in the market place like it. Fact. No flouride. Five ingredients put together like a bomb against bacteria. Indiviually, four of them will kill it, while one is effective even against MRSA.
Tell me which toothpaste outhere is as good as this one. And for the price!!!
ChicoChe.
we don't spread lies it is the company and representatives who stretch the truth about the company
do you homework and you will find alot of half truths
refer to other mela thread on these boards
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I don't agree with everything you say Bruce, but I agree with "representatives who stretch......"
I've analyzed Melaleuca from different angles. In my very personal opinion is the best "MLM" company outhere.
But there are always people who are only looking at the fast money who are willing to lie and cheat and conceal and persuade people to join, only to leave them alone the very next minute.
I'm one.
My sponsor left me to learn all the little details on my own.
He was only interested on on building the house. He forgot to use nails (the little datails) and eventually his house collapsed.
I've also seen a person get to a high level; she was making more than 20K/month--in less than a year!!!
I've never seen her again.
Friends of her tell me she is a "hustler". And they want nothing to do with her.
The biggest blame is on the people not Mel.
I too have been a happy Melaleuca customer for nearly 8 years. Very happy with their products.
From a business perspective, what happened to you could happen with any "MLM" company or any company (an employer) for that matter. The person who signed you up was likely desperate to make money and failed to educate him/herself on the principles of providing great service. Sales pitches are sleezy ways of doing business. Manipulating, pressuring, exaggerating claims are not smart ways of acquiring/keeping loyal customers over the long term. Asking the right kinds of questions and listening are very important. You want to distinguish yourself from other reps.
As much as I love Melaleuca I don't make my conversations about Melaleuca I.e: mini-presentations. I make the conversations about them and their needs/desires. The person I am talking with is the one doing most of the talking.
Then you should also now that most working people don't have access to the legal system and they continuily get ripped off by these high pressure scam artists. I cancelled my credit card to get rid of these bastards and they still call. The last box of their junk sits under a chair on my front porch waiting for a prepaid label to return it to them. It's so worthless they won't even do that. This company and you(a paid mouthpiece) are nothing more than bunko scammers and should be jailed as financial terriorists. MELALEUCA is scum and all that follow their propaganda are sheep being fleeced. They should publish a list of all the people they have scammed, you'd hear some real horror stories.
Well, well. I just don't understand how people get ripped off. Who calls? What basters is he talking about? I duno. I called for a label; they sent it and I didn't get it in time. Again I called and they sent it, but told me I had to print it within ten days. I did. Pasted it to the box and took it to the UPS place and just left it there. Six weeks later I got the check in the mail. Sorry you have had a horrible experience. Not typical for a person who's willing to question everything at the sign up "session".
If Melaleuca were an undetected scam, why would the president of the company have been appointed to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce?
Melaleuca is not a scam. They have awesome products at affordable prices, and it costs me less money to shop there each month than it does to buy the same types of products from Wal-Mart.
I am happy knowing that my support of Melaleuca means U.S. jobs are secure. They manufacture everything here, they do not import crap from China. Most stores cannot say the same.
I didn't have to worry about the poisoned products from China, because I don't use any of them.
Compensation is based on shopping, not how many membership fees you can gather, or how many hours you slave away for corporate profits.
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Publisher: The Trii-Zine Ezine ISSN# 1555-2276
Author: My Journey, A Lifetime of Verse ISBN: 978-0-6151-6405-2
Glad to see that their are members with some sense and knowledge. Logic and the law are the foil of ignorant accusations.
I've been in sales for a long time and I am currently an independant rep. for both Melaleuca and Vector. Before shouts of "enemy," "ringer," or "scammer-conspirator" attempt to obscure my voice, let me be the first to tell you that there are unscrupulous people in both companies. However, there are unscrupulous car salespeople, bankers, doctors, lawyers, and widget-makers. Far more often, there are over-eager and incompetent reps. who get promoted to Director or A.M., on the strength of their sales, alone. Both cases lead to bad management, bad recruiting and enrollment, and bad rep. and customer care.
Both Melaleuca and Cutco (Vector is the marketing company for Cutco) produce phenomenal products (Melaleuca was one of the very first green companies, is a licensed pharmaceutical manufacturer under FDA supervision, and it's products are used by the Mayo Clinic. Cutco is the leading cutlery manufacturer in the world, with lower prices and better knives than their leading competitors (as recently pofiled on The History Channel's Modern Marvels). Cutco also manufactures K-bar (ask any Marine about his K-bar).
That said, Vector/Cutco's rep. compensation schedule is on the low end, until a rep. reaches FSM or AM. Melaleuca, on the other hand, is one of the best in the industry.
Scams? No. Will shady people try to scam you? You bet. Caveat Emptor.
Ignorance abounds with all these accusations about Melaleuca being a scam! Congrats to all those who put up the truth about how legitimate they are! I just joined on 3/3/10 after 20 years full time at home & partnered up with a man who has been with them for 18 years full time!
My wife & both of my daughters absolutely love the products, they save us money over store bought products, work better, and this is a company I will be proud to introduce to my relatives & friends since I want to help them too! Removing harmful chemicals to help us all live longer is also key! Their vitamins work better than ANY other MLM company's vitamins I have ever taken!
Time to rock & roll!!!
Tom
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remember it is your opinion that they are the best vitamins however they have no proof that they are the best of anything.
they are not a pioneer in biodegradeable cleanerws they are a follower by at least 30 years
they are not on the fore front of anything they are a follower
no one has yet shown me any clinical proof of anything
cannot find it on their web site
most people cannot even get into the web site unless they know how to use the links.
can't find third party info saying that their productsx work better than the store boughten ones
no journal entries to be found
no proof of long term improvements of health using their vits i want actual journal and clinical proof not the president of the company saying they are the best we want proof none to this date has ever been shown
just do your work and look on line
should be on your website where anyone can find it
you are not a scam however you are a less than honest company about many things
you are not the leader in nutrition
you are no where near being on the fore front of biodegradeable products
you use sucrulose, artifical colors and dies, artificial flavoring you are no where near being a natural company
pharmaceutical is a fancy word that means above food grade there are companies out there that would have to lower there standards than, to be pharmecutical grade yor doing 43,000 test a year there are companies out there that have higher standards than that
people are stupid so if you tell them the propaganda that mela tells it is believable until they are disproven which is very easy then you are lying to your customer
so be honest about your product yu are not the first at anything, you are not the best at anything you are a company that makes a product that is better than what you can buy in the store period that is it nothing more
i can go on however it is not worth my time argueing with people who believe what ever mela tells them
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Environmental Specialist
Teaching companies and individuals how to be sustainable. green and earth friendly
I get it. I am a happy Melaleuca customer. I know there are many testimonials out there, but testimonials alone are not enough. You want more.
I think you are right in asking for proof and an easy way for people who are not yet customers to be able to access the stats, and to do so with ease. Proof that the products work should be available to the general public. Totally agree with you.
They have done some studies on some of their products like the Renew lotion and some other personal care products. As for the vitamins, they talk about the oligofructose process, but they need more independent clinical studies performed by someone not hired by Melaleuca, but a third party source.
Also, claiming "we're best at this and best at that" can easily get perceived as hype by people who don't know Melaleuca.
I have been a happy customer for nearly 7 years. All I know is how I feel when I use their products. What I could do is get a blood test to see how these vitamins have affected my triglycerides and cholesteral level.
No company is perfect out there; whether MLM or otherwise. I live in a neighbourhood full of health food stores and I have been very disappointed by the results of some of the products they sell that cost more than Melaleuca. You talk about sucralose, food additives etc..(Why doesn't Melaleuca consider stevia as an alternative to sucralose?) I know there are products in my health food store that are less than healthy. I usually read the ingredient list. if there is anything in the list that I don;t agree with, I don't buy the product.
Bottom line though is I think Melaleuca reps should listen more to what customers want, instead of arguing with them. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." By listening more, you get to the heart of someone's concerns. You help solve more problems and you create more of a win-win situation.
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remember it is your opinion that they are the best vitamins however they have no proof that they are the best of anything.
they are not a pioneer in biodegradeable cleanerws they are a follower by at least 30 years
they are not on the fore front of anything they are a follower
no one has yet shown me any clinical proof of anything
cannot find it on their web site
most people cannot even get into the web site unless they know how to use the links.
can't find third party info saying that their productsx work better than the store boughten ones
no journal entries to be found
no proof of long term improvements of health using their vits i want actual journal and clinical proof not the president of the company saying they are the best we want proof none to this date has ever been shown
just do your work and look on line
should be on your website where anyone can find it
you are not a scam however you are a less than honest company about many things
you are not the leader in nutrition
you are no where near being on the fore front of biodegradeable products
you use sucrulose, artifical colors and dies, artificial flavoring you are no where near being a natural company
pharmaceutical is a fancy word that means above food grade there are companies out there that would have to lower there standards than, to be pharmecutical grade yor doing 43,000 test a year there are companies out there that have higher standards than that
people are stupid so if you tell them the propaganda that mela tells it is believable until they are disproven which is very easy then you are lying to your customer
so be honest about your product yu are not the first at anything, you are not the best at anything you are a company that makes a product that is better than what you can buy in the store period that is it nothing more
i can go on however it is not worth my time argueing with people who believe what ever mela tells them
Rather than rant on about this, why don't you write Melaleuca instead? This makes a lot more sense! On top of that no one said that they were pioneers in this industry, but their products work better than store bought with less chemicals and are less money!!! What is wrong with that picture? People don't simply believe what they tell them they try the products to prove it to themselves! Also, use spell check, it automatically lets you know here! Have you ever tired the products? I rest my case!
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NRG or Bruce,
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion on Mela.
But can you please enlighten me?
Does Mela say its vits are the best? Yes. Everybody does. Do I agree? No.
I've never heard Mela is a pioneer in biodegradable products. If you heard such thing is probably unofficial. Just like the claim that Mela hair shapoo regrows hair. Frank sent notice to stop claiming such. And as soon as the Mela rep stop, I heard people make the very claim.
What kind of proof are you looking for? I might provide you with some. I can tell you the toothpaste is the best in the market, bar none. The only toothpaste that has something else other than flouride is Usana's. And believe me, it just doesn't compare.
Nobody can get into the site unless allowed by someone else.
Just because you can't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Does it? But even if there's none, we the customers know how different the products are compared to the competition. If you put them to the test, as a scientist would, you'd be surpriced too.
You will not find long-term proof of nutritional products improving health. Didn't you get a recent "Readers Digest" edition where they claim vit are a waste? Most in the medical field don't want to find out. And so just argue agaisnt it with false claims. Kind a like some people in these forums.
Your opinion about Mela being a scam is completely understood. You just haven't been able to see things from our perspective. That's all.
Not everybody is a leader in anything. In fact, in order to be a leader, there need to be some followers.
Who is at the forefront in biodegradable products? Do you mind telling?
Yes. I've seen some products that are not the perfect thing I'd like to see. But I've also seen some that, as I've said before, are the best in the field. Fact.
I don't understand the pharmaceutical lingo. But if you don't like the vit, don't take them.
And I completely disagree with the idea that people are less than smart. And if you don't mind I'd like to see proof that Mela claims can be easily disproven.
I can tell you about three products that are better than anything I've used. If you want me to list more, I'm sure I can do it. But by far my three favs are: no-flouride toothpaste, bathroom cleaner, and clothes brightner.
And again I disagree with you completely. I don't say what Mela tells me if I disagree with it.
And I've got to tell you that with all this ranting you're still behind on some of the things used by most pills manufactures, even Mela.
I'm really surprised you're not listing them. Should I assume you just don't know about them?
The problem with Mela is not Mela itself. It's dishonest people who see how fast they can make money with one of the best comp plans in the field and just put people in and never take the time to train them on what Mela really is.
Sorry you've been lied to. But that's not Mela. That's not me. That's simply some dishonest people Mela can't do nothing about until they know about them.
WOW! what a spirited topic.
Melaleuca is our product of choice. We have been using the products for 4 years.
We did not receive any unscrupulous sales pitches.
We received the opinions of 2 doctors who told us they were very good products and to try and alleviate the severe symptoms that our daughter was having, and they both said it would be good for everyone to detoxify their homes.
You can read the whole article in My Story , It is a very sad story With a very happy ending.
Now I'm not saying that other green products would not have worked also, I'm just simply saying that they were the products of our choice, and we think they are excellent.
Their vitamins are better than their competitors and they can prove it. They challenged their competitors to prove they were not and none could prove it.
There seems to be a few complainers here.
There is really nothing to gain by running your mouth if you don't know what you are talking about, and you obviously don't.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, so do your homework and make your choice and go with it.
We did and are very happy that we chose Melaleuca.
They also have a very generous payment plan for those who choose it as a business, and we are glad we chose that also.
Their vitamins are better than their competitors and they can prove it. They challenged their competitors to prove they were not and none could prove it.
This is what gets me mad about your company. They challanged their competition and none could prove it.
You don't use a challange to prove that you are better you use facdts. I want to see a long term study by a third party showing that their product works. I want to see a study showing that a user of your product, using it for 20 years or longer actually has long term im provement of health.
There has only been one study and your company did not participate in it in fact 99.9% percent of the companies did not because they new that the results would be publlished, so that means what ever companies participate in the long term study the results would have been published and there for the world to see.
Look up Gladys Blocke from USC Berkley and her study of long term vitamin users. Users who have used a product for 20 years or more.
These are the types of studies that I am looking for not a company saying I challange you. BTW one of the companies that Mela was using in their comparison is no longer used as a comparison. Why is that?
As far as the rest of everybodies rebuttals, you believe in your company which you should however your leader is a great business man and he knows how to use facts and figures to his advantage. Remember Bernie Madoff was a great businessman however would you buy a product from him.
To the person who said or claims that we do not make claims we are on the fore front watch the video where your vp talks about your biodegradeable cleaners and he makes claims that mela is on the fore front of biodegradeable cleaners. Mela is a follower the biodegradeable cleaners have been around 25 years before your company ever came into existance.
I could go on and on. However if you buy the products you will defend them it is for everyone else. Do your homework and ask alot of questions and research because alot of what you are being told is puffery.
Have a great day
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Bruce
Environmental Specialist
Teaching companies and individuals how to be sustainable. green and earth friendly
Their vitamins are better than their competitors and they can prove it. They challenged their competitors to prove they were not and none could prove it.
This is what gets me mad about your company. They challanged their competition and none could prove it.
You don't use a challange to prove that you are better you use facdts. I want to see a long term study by a third party showing that their product works. I want to see a study showing that a user of your product, using it for 20 years or longer actually has long term im provement of health.
There has only been one study and your company did not participate in it in fact 99.9% percent of the companies did not because they new that the results would be publlished, so that means what ever companies participate in the long term study the results would have been published and there for the world to see.
Look up Gladys Blocke from USC Berkley and her study of long term vitamin users. Users who have used a product for 20 years or more.
These are the types of studies that I am looking for not a company saying I challange you. BTW one of the companies that Mela was using in their comparison is no longer used as a comparison. Why is that?
As far as the rest of everybodies rebuttals, you believe in your company which you should however your leader is a great business man and he knows how to use facts and figures to his advantage. Remember Bernie Madoff was a great businessman however would you buy a product from him.
To the person who said or claims that we do not make claims we are on the fore front watch the video where your vp talks about your biodegradeable cleaners and he makes claims that mela is on the fore front of biodegradeable cleaners. Mela is a follower the biodegradeable cleaners have been around 25 years before your company ever came into existance.
I could go on and on. However if you buy the products you will defend them it is for everyone else. Do your homework and ask alot of questions and research because alot of what you are being told is puffery.
Have a great day
So, when are you going to quit blowing smoke & try out the products to make some factual statements about how they worked for you? Speaking of puffery, you have tons of it without any substance! No need for any more comments on your statements since they lack proof!
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So, when are you going to quit blowing smoke & try out the products to make some factual statements about how they worked for you? Speaking of puffery, you have tons of it without any substance! No need for any more comments on your statements since they lack proof!
I have been using their products for the last ten years. Is that long enough for you? I love them and would never go back to buying the crap on supermarket shelves. I take their vitamins and so does everyone in my house. We are all healthy and feel better than we did before we started taking them.
I challenge you to prove that I am wrong in feeling better and healthier for using their products.
I can clean my home without rubber gloves, I can run my wash ***** on my lawn and have the greenest grass in town, I can repel insects without spraying poison on my body.
Get a grip Tom. You've been beating a dead horse for years now. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
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My family has had great success with Melaleuca products. We have been using the products for 4 years now, including the vitamins. You may have read "My Story", if not it is an interesting account of how we got started with the products.
I for one hope Tom doesn't get a grip and give it up, His postings bring out all kinds of great success stories about Melaleuca.
I have been using their products for the last ten years. Is that long enough for you? I love them and would never go back to buying the crap on supermarket shelves. I take their vitamins and so does everyone in my house. We are all healthy and feel better than we did before we started taking them.
I challenge you to prove that I am wrong in feeling better and healthier for using their products.
I can clean my home without rubber gloves, I can run my wash ***** on my lawn and have the greenest grass in town, I can repel insects without spraying poison on my body.
Get a grip Tom. You've been beating a dead horse for years now. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
You get a grip Trina!!! I was not even talking about you! Why are you attacking me when I said nothing to you at all? You need to get a life!
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I've gotta say, the best thing I have ever heard regarding "pyramid" scams. I heard one man say, pyramid schemes are illegal in the USA but there is no bigger pyramid scheme than social security. Think about it, it's so true! I guess it's only illegal if you're not the government. Just thought is was ironic and thought I would share!
Wow, years of spirited discussion to a newcomer researching the matter.
When my wife came home asking if we should participate, here was my biggest red flag: I know business. I know selling something you believe in. Both of these say that you make your product available and if people really like and believe in it, you will do good. Don't believe me, look at Wal-Mart.
If they were really that good and not an MLM (which they are if you do your research - NOT message board reading), why is there nonsense like memberships, minimum purchases, and the such? There is apparently no trust in their own product as they have to resort to tactics like those.
And for those that are making money, I 100% believe that is legit. If I start a marketing business (which essentially you are doing), I would darn well expect to make some profits off it. And if I really worked it and knew how to sell stuff, I would make some great profits. The key to MLM is they make starting your own business (or lets call it franchise) more accessible to the typical housewife.
So, if you market to yourself (Yeah! I get profits from the products I buy!!!) or to your friends and family, you are now doing your business. Granted, you can do it right and enjoy profits while you take a well-deserved trip to the Bahamas. (Similar to marketing domain hosting and other residual items.)
At the end of the day, it is about Marketing and MLM and less about products. Why? Because there would be no need to exclude a significantly large, rightfully skeptical customer base.
Think I'm wrong? I would love for any rep here to explain to me how they would still prefer selling $65/month to two families vs. $25/month to 10 who work their way up to $65 because they love the products as much as they do.
They're not a SCAM. But they don't do anything like good business.
2 cents.
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I would no longer recommend them either. Their Mela Magic cleaner made me incredibly sick while using it the other day. I might as well have just used bleach with how sick I got from using it.
I would no longer recommend them either. Their Mela Magic cleaner made me incredibly sick while using it the other day. I might as well have just used bleach with how sick I got from using it.
You'll no longer recommend them, because you had a reaction to ONE of their 350+ products!
Did you try any others? Same reaction?!
Were you looking for an excuse to shun them or what?!
Just wondering.
Kerry
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You'll no longer recommend them, because you had a reaction to ONE of their 350+ products!
Did you try any others? Same reaction?!
Were you looking for an excuse to shun them or what?!
Just wondering.
Kerry
Well, lets see I was a customer for well over a year and used a looot of their products. I still like their laundry line, that being said the Sol-U-Mel doesn't work that great as a stain remover or general cleaner as they claim. The Mela Magic I used on the linoleum flooring and worked OK, no better than the stuff in the stores. However I got a horrible headache from using it as well as a nasty cough for a couple days because of the fumes. Their bathroom cleaners do NOT work as well as store brands. The candles they sell - the scent doesn't last nearly as long as my Scentsy bars. The Renew lotion works ok, however it leaves an oily residue on your skin (the only thing that I've found that doesn't do this is the body butters from Bath and Body Works though). Their dish soap is horrible, I bought it once and never bought it again.
Overall, only a couple of products really worked as well as promised out of all the products purchased, and I actually purchased their largest product pack when I first enrolled and was able to use a wide variety of their products. Most products were OK, not bad but not great. Only a few were flat out bad - the Mela Magic, candles, dish soap, and their toothpaste (which tasted HORRIBLE).
I'm actually saving up money right now since I still have the Mela products and I want to purchase similar cleaning products from Shaklee, Watkins and Gold Canyon and do a comparison on price as well as effectiveness and their actual "wellness" factors. If a cleaner makes you sick then obviously its not really that much better than what you can get in stores, now is it?
But you're right, I was probably just looking for an excuse to shun them...
Oh, I also plan on comparing the MLM products to those I can get in the stores - both the ones that are average Joe cleaners as well as the "green works" line.
Oh, I also plan on comparing the MLM products to those I can get in the stores - both the ones that are average Joe cleaners as well as the "green works" line.
I'm looking forward to hearing the results of your comparisons.
Please update this when you've come to a conclusion.
I've not tried any of their products, so I'm clueless. I do know a lot of people do like their products. MANY.
Thanks!
Kerry
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It's going to take me awhile to get the money to do this. I'm currently just bringing in a few dollars a week writing on emerging cast and we've got my step son coming for a few weeks in a few days and then a vacation to Utah. I probably won't be able to really get started until the school year starts.
Lisan, you are a rare customer to experience issues with the Mela products.
I consider melamagic to be a signature cleaning product, that works better than Tub n' Tile and tough and Tender. Melamagic does a better job of removing stains, even better than the Solumel IMHO. Regarding the melamagic, could it be that you were using too much? They have recently made it more concentrated. I clean houses on the side and ALL of my customers, including one who was diagnosed with breast cancer found the smells to be pleasant (no fumes).
Could it be that you are one of the rare people who has a reaction to tea tree oil? That could also be possible.
Greenworks? I know someone who sells the stuff and has it stocked in her house. Again in MHO, no way!!!!! Another example, of a company using a misleading buzz word to make people think they are getting "green products". Remember they are the makers of Clorox bleach, which is a horrible chemical for people who have respiratory problems, and other criticall illnesses like cancer. Not all cancers are heriditary. Toxic chemicals can make matters worse.
Well, lets see I was a customer for well over a year and used a looot of their products. I still like their laundry line, that being said the Sol-U-Mel doesn't work that great as a stain remover or general cleaner as they claim. The Mela Magic I used on the linoleum flooring and worked OK, no better than the stuff in the stores. However I got a horrible headache from using it as well as a nasty cough for a couple days because of the fumes. Their bathroom cleaners do NOT work as well as store brands. The candles they sell - the scent doesn't last nearly as long as my Scentsy bars. The Renew lotion works ok, however it leaves an oily residue on your skin (the only thing that I've found that doesn't do this is the body butters from Bath and Body Works though). Their dish soap is horrible, I bought it once and never bought it again.
Overall, only a couple of products really worked as well as promised out of all the products purchased, and I actually purchased their largest product pack when I first enrolled and was able to use a wide variety of their products. Most products were OK, not bad but not great. Only a few were flat out bad - the Mela Magic, candles, dish soap, and their toothpaste (which tasted HORRIBLE).
I'm actually saving up money right now since I still have the Mela products and I want to purchase similar cleaning products from Shaklee, Watkins and Gold Canyon and do a comparison on price as well as effectiveness and their actual "wellness" factors. If a cleaner makes you sick then obviously its not really that much better than what you can get in stores, now is it?
But you're right, I was probably just looking for an excuse to shun them...
Yep! Sounds like you wanted a reason to get a full refund and on the next company! I have spoken to numerous LONG TERM customers as well as everyone I have introduced to their products and I always get the same answer from EVERYONE! They absolutely love the products and would not give them up! I wonder if there is a trend here?
Did you know that 60% of ALL the people in Melaleuca are customers only who never receive a check? Did you know that they have a 95% customer reorder rate and that the average order is $85.00 even though they only need to order $60.00 to buy at wholesale? No one can get hurt here since everyone gets a 60 day 100% money back guarantee + they do NOT have to return product. 90 days on their vitamins! Now, until 6/30/10, they even have a $1.00 sign up saving people $28.00 (USA & Canada). Tom
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I was scammed into accepting this as a "one-time" deal. BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN MONEY FROM MY BANK ACCOUNT FOR 3 MONTHS WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. They send me products I did not ask for. Now I have to stop and change my accounts with my bank according to my attourney. I am not alone. Several folks who have tried to stop the Melaleuca scam seem to have been taken for months on end. I sent them a letter of discontentment via fax as they told me to do and I recieved a fax in return saying they recieved my letter. As of yesterday I was taken again! They took money from my account. When I told them I have their letter to me that they recieved mine...I was told my letters were blank! I was not alone when I sent these so they are lying! I had to spend another $8 at Office Depot faxing them. The young man said he would call me back when he recieved them He did not!! I called them and was sent to another person who said he'd check on it for me. I said I wanted it done now! 3 minutes later and a dozen or so sales pitches on the automated phone he came back and said Yes we recieved it and it is legitable. Meaning...they had it the first time I sent it! They will not return my money and their product you can buy simular from Wamart for less!! Its all lies and hype!!! I am furious that they were given an A+. I am going to twitter this everywhere!!! I am not the only one that is!
M
I was scammed into accepting this as a "one-time" deal. BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN MONEY FROM MY BANK ACCOUNT FOR 3 MONTHS WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. They send me products I did not ask for. Now I have to stop and change my accounts with my bank according to my attourney. I am not alone. Several folks who have tried to stop the Melaleuca scam seem to have been taken for months on end. I sent them a letter of discontentment via fax as they told me to do and I recieved a fax in return saying they recieved my letter. As of yesterday I was taken again! They took money from my account. When I told them I have their letter to me that they recieved mine...I was told my letters were blank! I was not alone when I sent these so they are lying! I had to spend another $8 at Office Depot faxing them. The young man said he would call me back when he recieved them He did not!! I called them and was sent to another person who said he'd check on it for me. I said I wanted it done now! 3 minutes later and a dozen or so sales pitches on the automated phone he came back and said Yes we recieved it and it is legitable. Meaning...they had it the first time I sent it! They will not return my money and their product you can buy simular from Wamart for less!! Its all lies and hype!!! I am furious that they were given an A+. I am going to twitter this everywhere!!! I am not the only one that is!
M
It certainly takes all kinds of people to make the world go around! All you had to do is fax or send them in a cancellation to stop your backup orders, and not do it the day before your backup order was to ship, hello!!! Did you ever ask for a refund on the products you received which you have a full 60 days to do? You & all your friends who can't spell either, should continue to shop at Walmarts and keep adding more chemicals to your bodies & buy all those goodies made in China! Most of us know the end result to that! Also, why don't you simply stay away from the MLM & home based industry so you can do us all a favor.
PS-Scam.com has a spell check too & here are all the words you misspelled> attourney, recieved (5 times), legitable (not even in the dictionary), & simular.
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Yep! Sounds like you wanted a reason to get a full refund and on the next company! I have spoken to numerous LONG TERM customers as well as everyone I have introduced to their products and I always get the same answer from EVERYONE! They absolutely love the products and would not give them up! I wonder if there is a trend here?
Who do you think you're winning over here with an attitude like this? I never once got a refund and clearly stated I was a customer for over a year. Meaning that the product pack I purchased (the one that you can only get when you're a brand new customer) was purchased and well used by the time I decided to end my membership with them. I never returned any of the products nor did I ever ask for a refund. There are PLENTY of people who have had problems with Melaleuca products. All it takes is a 30 second google search to reveal that many people don't like their products.
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Did you know that 60% of ALL the people in Melaleuca are customers only who never receive a check? Did you know that they have a 95% customer reorder rate and that the average order is $85.00 even though they only need to order $60.00 to buy at wholesale? No one can get hurt here since everyone gets a 60 day 100% money back guarantee + they do NOT have to return product. 90 days on their vitamins! Now, until 6/30/10, they even have a $1.00 sign up saving people $28.00 (USA & Canada). Tom
Melaleuca works off a point system, not a monetary system. Next time you try to lie you should try a little harder. If you order all the cheapest items they have you can order for $60 a month, HOWEVER that means ordering the same things month after month even though you don't need them.
Did you know that the 95% you're claiming is on a month to month basis? Meaning that 95% of people who ordered the previous month ordered the next month, however those same people could've dropped the next month. If they made a statistic representing how many customers stay on and reorder year after year I guarantee it would be a LOT lower than 95%.
Who do you think you're winning over here with an attitude like this? I never once got a refund and clearly stated I was a customer for over a year. Meaning that the product pack I purchased (the one that you can only get when you're a brand new customer) was purchased and well used by the time I decided to end my membership with them. I never returned any of the products nor did I ever ask for a refund. There are PLENTY of people who have had problems with Melaleuca products. All it takes is a 30 second google search to reveal that many people don't like their products.
Melaleuca works off a point system, not a monetary system. Next time you try to lie you should try a little harder. If you order all the cheapest items they have you can order for $60 a month, HOWEVER that means ordering the same things month after month even though you don't need them.
Did you know that the 95% you're claiming is on a month to month basis? Meaning that 95% of people who ordered the previous month ordered the next month, however those same people could've dropped the next month. If they made a statistic representing how many customers stay on and reorder year after year I guarantee it would be a LOT lower than 95%.
You're quite the dick.
Why is Tom a dick?
Melaleuca, just like any other MLM has its detractors. What I notice is a lot of them were not explained correctly what Mela is. I'm sorry for all of you who say it's a SCAM. I've been a customer for 3 years, and have a few customers myself who order every month without my calling them to remind them that the products are so good. And as those who cancelled (10), not one had a problem with the process. So I continue to promote the customer service and the opp. To me is the best there is. I've not encountered a problem at all. Not one.
It is a very sad story
that he really needs to get taken care of. LOL 
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