Vinefire scam?

stopscammers · #1 03-14-2009, 08:17 AM

All of sudden this potential scam is being advertised by the usual greed mongerers that think they will get rich.

Here is a recent post in a forum that I found. How stupid are some people? They really believe that a program that is free to join is willing to give you a free $50 bonus and then $100 for every free member you refer??????????

Awesome little program and it's FREE, FREE, FREE
to join and make $$$ $$$ $$$

You will get a $50 sign on bonus and then $100 for
each person you sign up.

So GO, GO GO Now and get signed up. It will
never, ever cost you anything but you will earn $$$$
http://vinefire.com/100/?r=xxxxxxxxxx (idiots referral link removed)

Just click on JOIN.. it will walk you through it.

tennissandgirl · #2 03-23-2009, 03:25 PM

Hi,
You may find my view on Vinefire a little biased. Here is why. I am a member of vinefire and while it will most likely turn out to be a scam. I am going to milk it for all its worth. Before vinefire I had a handful of referrals on a handful of websites. Now I currently have almost 40 referrals on those handful of websites I work on. So, did I get scammed? Not really, because even if I don't see a dime of the "money" that is accumulating in my account on vinefire, I am getting referrals from using it and that is the ultimate goal. Traffic to websites. It even says on their website that this is an experiment. Other websites like it, do not even compare to the easy set up that vinefire has. Please try it before you knock it. Oh, well if it's a scam, you don't have to verify your account until January(if they are still around by then!). Plus, they are changing the rules everyday. When I first signed up the payout date was sometime in January. Now it actually has a set date. I am keeping my eye on the "how it works page" and reading all my newsletters so I don't miss anything! Good luck to you in your own businesses.
tennissandgirl

brewrrr · #3 03-29-2009, 07:13 PM

I have to agree about milking it for traffic it has double my site traffic as far as them paying me for the $800 I have accumulated in about 2 days I doubt I'll ever see a dime but I sure like the traffic the controversy is bringing me

TAMMY77541 · #4 03-30-2009, 02:02 AM

They give an address in their Newsletter Verification email.

2661 N Pearl ST.
Tacoma, WA. 98407
This is an UPS store!

It must be in a shopping center because the address also comes up with suite numbers:

#253 Immigration Lawyer

#276 Glass Association

#359 Notary

#303 Electrical contractor

#255 is linked to a company named Enom that sales website domains.
Most of their domains are being used for adult sites, sites promoting computer cleaning software, you name it. There is even one in a language that looks like Chinese. They all use the same email:
domainqueue [at] gmail.com

oldbuddy · #5 03-30-2009, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stopscammers

All of sudden this potential scam is being advertised by the usual greed mongerers that think they will get rich.
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I have yet to have anyone show me how this can be a "Scam" when it's FREE???

Will I ever get the $893.04 they owe me (plus what I will add to that) or receive the value of the $5 I paid to upgrade? WHO CARES? It's an experiment for me too and I have fun with it.

I can tell you I posted a link to a $1 report I had resell rights for that paid me over $100 in sales in a few days. Does that sound like a Scam?

Some people on here are so paranoid they end up being myopic.

Let's go make some money!

BorisZ · #6 03-30-2009, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldbuddy

Will I ever get the $893.04 they owe me (plus what I will add to that) or receive the value of the $5 I paid to upgrade?

Actually if they know that they will never pay you money despite promises then they are running scam.

alwayson · #7 03-30-2009, 07:55 AM

vinefire is now doing random payouts far in advance of anticipated payout date
would be nice to view proof of payments

brewrrr · #8 03-30-2009, 09:57 AM

I have come across a addy for Edom with the phone number I haven't called it yet

ENom, Inc , Vinefire.com
Phone: 425-3760-0505
Fax:

16771 NORTHEAST 80TH STREET, SUITE 100
Redmond, Washington, 98052
U.S.A.

As far as it being a scam. I don't know and really don't care The site has got me a #1 place on Google with 3-4 of my keywords and the site is only about 2-3 days old.......thats my kind of scam

sweetp · #9 03-30-2009, 12:27 PM

Hello,

I as well started with this one-just to see how it goes. I got a signup in one of my Programs-that I put on the VineFire site immediately. So, seeing the money would be great as well-but if not-at least Iam getting the Traffic out of it and people Joining my Business. Its FREE Great-and in Beta mode. But, my thing is: How do you reach them-if you have questions etc...How do you know if they are actually paying out people or is it just what the site is stating to get more people in-and then shut down later? And, although people are getting payouts early-still in TOS they have the year 2010 January..

However, all in all-I will keep at it-Iam having with it-and I haven't paid anything-so Iam NOT loseing anything either..If, it pays me great-and if not I got traffic to my site and some people joining my programs-and I make my money that way..

Let me know if the number works-because I just tried it and it said: Disconnected..I don't know if it could be me having phone issues or what-so if someone cares to vaildate that number will be great..And, anything else for this matter..

Enjoy,

sweetp

sweetp · #10 03-30-2009, 07:37 PM

Hello,

Now looking at the site again-it has added a Get Noticed tab at the Top of the page. Where you can pay for a Star for one week and or pay for a Star for four weeks..Seems interesting-that although its experimenting site-it can keep adding things for you to pay for-but not for you to contact them Honestly and even if its small amounts of money you are shedding out-you don't know really if you are going to get paid or not..Just because they said so-and that they are paying out early..Anyone have proof of this one?-please advise..

Thanks for your time-and again a wait and see Program-yet in the mean time Enjoy the traffic Program..

sweetp

bilayy · #11 03-31-2009, 02:10 AM

VineFire is a SCAM!

Hey guys check this out!
Its called vineFire and people are paying madly to verif their accounts i came across this blog it says it checked for payouts and its a SCAM!

http://www.scamscan.blogspot.com

Its A SCAM! YOU GUYS check this out!

veruci · #12 03-31-2009, 12:11 PM

Is it a scam?

Yes and No.

No, since it clearly states that it is an experiment. Although it is an experiment that clearly will fail, since its business model can't possibly make the kinds of payments it promises.

In fact, based on its "random payments" of about $200,000 per day, Vinefire's would soon qualify to be in the S&P 500. No matter how many $5 upgrades they get, its hard to imagine.

Yes, it is a scam, because they clearly can't be making those kinds of payments, so they are attempting to entice others to join this sure to fail "experiment" with the lure of generous payouts.

As far as other posts regarding increases in traffic, that's also hard to imagine, since your postings disappear from the home page quite fast. I've given it and try and seem to get better results from othefr exchanges.

lynn123 · #13 04-04-2009, 06:08 PM

I paid $5.00 Twice and was never upgraded. I want to know why one cannot contact vinefire.

I truly have my doubts about them

just21 · #14 04-09-2009, 06:02 AM

The Guys at Profile Blog did an estimation on Vinefires expenses compared to Revenue to prove that it is a flat out scam:

Source: Vinefire Is a Scam

Estimated expenses paid to members By Jan 2010: $176,000,000
Estimated Revenue by Jan 2010: $415,000

If that doesn't yell scam nothing will!

lilac22 · #15 04-09-2009, 01:11 PM

I too belong to Vinefire and see good results to my affiliate links. Bottom line is, if they don't pay out, I think alot of people are going to be upset and leave the site. So much for Vinefire at that point. From what they sent me, it is for sale and the proceeds from this particulare buyer wll go to the payouts. We shall see.

lynn123 · #16 04-13-2009, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just21

The Guys at Profile Blog did an estimation on Vinefires expenses compared to Revenue to prove that it is a flat out scam:

Source: Vinefire Is a Scam

Estimated expenses paid to members By Jan 2010: $176,000,000
Estimated Revenue by Jan 2010: $415,000

If that doesn't yell scam nothing will!

I do agree with you there is no way that they can pay out those funds.
In addition why it is that you cannot contact them. I paid $5.00 on two occasions and to date I was never verified.

My advise is just be careful.

NUMBER7 · #17 04-27-2009, 09:54 AM

I don't know if VineFire is a scam or not; I joined a few day ago. I guess we'll see.

I'm new on Scam.com, and to the arena of internet entrepreneurship; any ideas on how to seperate the hype from the truth?

Thanks. Walter

lilac22 · #18 04-27-2009, 11:57 AM

Well, I did a check on the address in Tacoma Washington. I found a girl who has that address and she told me there is a UPS store there and all the rest are P.O. boxes. That's why so many businesses show up. I guess I will do a whois check just to see what's up.

Curious2im · #19 05-06-2009, 06:44 PM

So Guys.. I have gone thru all posts and comments here and there. Conclusion is its great to have free traffic. So milk it as much as u can for it. But if u thought of paying for it, just think your donating to them. Because, I heard many people stating even after they pay $5, their status is not verified. So, just try to use it for free traffic and enjoy the traffic and spread the same to the world. So that, instead of Vinefire misleading affiliates by showing big amounts and moving their payout date now and non verified addresses as many affiliates verified it and found some store there (now as per recent mail from them its mid Nov 09 or it may be pre-poned.. lol), Lets affiliates make use of Vinfire at maximum extent with out paying a single Dime to them.
Then they either comeup with some working rules or they take off false promisses (atleast addresses).
Have great time using Vinfire.

lynn123 · #20 05-11-2009, 12:50 PM

I do agree with what you said use it as a means of traffic exchange. I was foolish although I made one payment to be verified and was not verified I still made a second payment and still not verified.
I have learned from my mistake but I get upset when these folks make promises that they cannot keep or know that they cannot full fill them. It is like stealing and something must be done about these kinds of behavior. Many innocent folks have lost lots of money from such programs trying to make an honest living.

Success to all

Smartnet · #21 05-14-2009, 05:19 AM

If This is a scam what is it scamming you for Only Your Time.
One advantage about this program is that you get free advertising.
I also picked up a new URL shrinking company that pays me every time someone clicks on my URL .

So is it a scam I don't know I guess we will all see but so far it gives me free advertisement and has helped me to make some money.

Even a scam you can take advantage of it you have the wisdom to keep your money in your pocket!

SmartNet J&R

powertreb · #22 05-16-2009, 07:50 AM

I have to agree with the whole payout thing. There is noway they'll be able to meet their payouts. They definitely won't cough up ALL of them anyway.

But this vinefire wagon is really growing and gaining ground. It has not reached its peak yet. I would totally recommend it to people who want to get FREE traffic and exposure.

I signed up a few weeks ago. I don't expect to get paid on any of the "earnings" in my account. And I don't plan on paying $5 (neither once nor several times) to "verify" my account.

But anyone who is marketing anything and wants to increase their traffic would be crazy not to sign up free and post some links of their own.

Currently, the Alexa rank is 7,782 for vinefire. That is HEAVY traffic folks. It may not be all targeted, but some of that sporadic traffic just might land in the right spot.

Here's the other thing...a friend of mine has actually made 2 commissions of some sales by plugging his ad on for $24 for 24 hours. You pay $24 and your ad stays on the front page for a day (24 hours). Sure, out of a few thousand people who actually clicked on his ad, 2 made a purchase. But his commissions were twice that of the $24 he paid.

I suppose if you do opt for paying for a front page ad, you should pick a high ticket item.

The fact is many, many people will be clicking on as many ads as they can because they really think that they'll get paid. Chances are very slim that they'll ever see a penny. But again, if you have something to plug, and you want to take advantage of free traffic, then this is the way to go.

Milk them, baby!

InnocentAsker · #23 05-18-2009, 01:46 AM

Dear Friends,

this discussion is having very diplomatic answers, which is leading to the complexity, confusion and chaos, so pls incorporate me.
Di you believe Vinefire is Scam???? just ans
Yes
No

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ohein56 · #25 06-03-2009, 09:13 PM

Is Vinefire a scam?

Ask yourself this; what's the product? Would I continue to use the product even if I couldn't sell it and earn a commission? Would I recommend the product or service to others, even though I wasn't earning a commission? Will other people just use the product at retail?

If not, pass on it is what I recommend.

Get back to me on that, OK?

Kerry

Smartnet · #26 06-12-2009, 06:14 AM

This may be a scam and I may not see one cent from Vinefire but I have made sales and have signed up people in one of my programs [link removed by mod]
To me it's not a scam because I have not invested no money "the only thing I have been scammed out of is a little time and so far that has paid off.

stopscammers · #27 06-12-2009, 08:33 AM

another worthless spammer reported

keep your crap out of here

kingdom · #28 06-16-2009, 04:01 AM

Scammers like

Quote:

Awesome little program and it's FREE, FREE, FREE
to join and make $$$ $$$ $$$

You will get a $50 sign on bonus and then $100 for
each person you sign up.

So GO, GO GO Now and get signed up. It will
never, ever cost you anything but you will earn $$$$
(idiots referral link removed)

Just click on JOIN.. it will walk you through it.

are just ridiculous there’s no way in the whole wide world that anyone with even half a brain would or should ever think about using scammers like this but I suppose there still around due to some halfwits actually using these scammers and getting conned. They must be laughing hut don’t know how they can get away with it

ianb · #29 06-18-2009, 02:23 AM

At the moment it is good for traffic especially if you use redirection from from those site that pay for your impressions. However, I don’t think that they will ever pay and I would not promote it as an income generator.

lilac22 · #30 06-18-2009, 08:40 AM

I thought it was interesting when they removed the forum. It was never moderated and people lost their minds when their questions weren't answered. It ended up with alot of negative comments about Vinefire in general. I suppose the site owners just got tired of reading it.

tantip · #31 06-21-2009, 01:08 PM

Most people are not leaving Vinefire and i'm not either because it's great free place to advertise and people get good results. Will they pay me the $12,000+ showing in my account? Probably not but it would be nice if they did but I do love all the free advertising.

tantip

ohein56 · #32 06-21-2009, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tantip

Most people are not leaving Vinefire and i'm not either because it's great free place to advertise and people get good results. Will they pay me the $12,000+ showing in my account? Probably not but it would be nice if they did but I do love all the free advertising.

tantip

'Free' advertising is only worth something if you increase your bottom line for your business (customers & SALES).

In the real world, one usually gets what one pays for. I've never seen 'free' advertising work.

Hows it stacking up now?

tantip · #33 06-21-2009, 03:09 PM

Well the first day I posted one of my programs on vinefire I got 12 signups to it and I hadn't posted it anywhere else and that was a paid to join program so I got my money back plus some.

tantip

humsa · #34 06-23-2009, 05:09 AM

Oh, well if it's a scam, you don't have to verify your account until January(if they are still around by then!). Plus, they are changing the rules everyday. When I first signed up the payout date was sometime in January. Now it actually has a set date. I am keeping my eye on the "how it works page" and reading all my newsletters so I don't miss anything! Good luck to you in your own businesses.

silver93350 · #35 11-23-2009, 01:28 AM

Oh my. This a scam no doubt. I run a site that reports scams, and have seen this type of thing a million times before.

Here is my question. How long will they remain up? I like using them for advertising for my affiliate product websites, but hopefully I can advertise with them for a couple years...lol

Don't upgrade with them, use your head!

thewholesaleforums · #36 11-28-2009, 03:21 PM

This is a total scam. Don't need me or anyone else to say that.

I can spot a scam 100 miles away

stay clear

lilac22 · #37 11-30-2009, 06:03 AM

How can something be a scam when you aren't paying out any money? It's a great free way to drive traffic to affiliate links. It's doubtful there will be a payout, but I was notified that the site just sold, so there will be some changes coming for sure.

silver93350 · #38 01-27-2010, 11:37 AM

Has anyone else been following their opt in emails. I just wonder when they are going to bail because there is no way to can really pay everyone out.

geleren · #39 01-27-2010, 06:04 PM

It seems that the page can´t be found. To me it has dissapeared. I think it was yesterday or a day before. Did it happened to you also?
Remember that all accounts were supposed to be paid in 31 January Now we are at 28 of January. I am afraid.
What do you think?

silver93350 · #40 01-27-2010, 06:08 PM

IP: 75.101.139.165
IP Location: Seattle, United States
Website Status: active

However, when I go to it it doesn't load. Just a wide guess but I bet they split.

geleren · #41 01-27-2010, 06:14 PM

To me it doesn´t appear. Could it be because my antivirus is for home editon? I use windows XP Professional. And what do yo mean by ´split´?
Do I have to change my antivirus to one professional?
Another thing. I had Avast professional and when I change it to to home edition, the page www.vinefire.com dissapeared. What do you think?

silver93350 · #42 01-27-2010, 10:17 PM

What I mean by split is I think they know that they are a fraud and are going to shut down their domain and move on to something else. I really have a bad feeling about them and I honestly don't believe anyone will ever see a dime. They made there little $5 a sale probably to thousands of people and are probably celebrating on a cruise or something laughing about how they screwed a thousand people over.

I don't think your anti virus program would matter, there site is done. I would be really really surprised if they were ever back up.

skywalker1 · #43 01-31-2010, 08:34 AM

I also have not been able to access the site for a few days now. Yes, the scum has disappeared. I didn't lose anything because I never paid and just got to use it as an advertising vehicle, but it still pisses me off that people do this. And it just reinforces everyone's impression that these internet site program owners are all basically scummy scam artists and liars.

geleren · #44 02-02-2010, 12:16 PM

Did someone get paid in this?

silver93350 · #45 02-02-2010, 05:17 PM

no one got paid on this trust me it is a full blown fraud site.

ng94266 · #46 02-04-2010, 03:53 AM

Yes, I belief Vinefire has gone under ground. I've being trying to login but to no effect.

duckbird · #47 06-14-2010, 12:23 AM

As most of you know by now, Vinefire did turned out to be a big scam.
The payout date was to be the end of Jan 2010. But by Jan 24, 2010 and to this day, the Vinefire website is no more...Gone.

ohein56 · #48 06-14-2010, 08:07 AM

Gee, I'm sooo surprised!

NOT!

Again, Ask yourself this; what's the product? Would I continue to use the product even if I couldn't sell it and earn a commission? Would I recommend the product or service to others, even though I wasn't earning a commission? Will other people just use the product at retail?

No?

Flop.