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Old 01-29-2009, 11:12 AM
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The Amazing Story Behind Tho Global Warming Scam

By John Coleman
January 28, 2009

The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax we citizens for our carbon footprints. Only two details stand in the way, the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate. The last two bitter winters have lead to a rise in public awareness that CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a significant greenhouse gas that is triggering runaway global warming.

How did we ever get to this point where bad science is driving big government we have to struggle so to stop it?

The story begins with an Oceanographer named Roger Revelle. He served with the Navy in World War II. After the war he became the Director of the Scripps Oceanographic Institute in La Jolla in San Diego, California. Revelle saw the opportunity to obtain major funding from the Navy for doing measurements and research on the ocean around the Pacific Atolls where the US military was conducting atomic bomb tests. He greatly expanded the Institute’s areas of interest and among others hired Hans Suess, a noted Chemist from the University of Chicago, who was very interested in the traces of carbon in the environment from the burning of fossil fuels. Revelle tagged on to Suess studies and co-authored a paper with him in 1957. The paper raises the possibility that the carbon dioxide might be creating a greenhouse effect and causing atmospheric warming. It seems to be a plea for funding for more studies. Funding, frankly, is where Revelle’s mind was most of the time.

Next Revelle hired a Geochemist named David Keeling to devise a way to measure the atmospheric content of Carbon dioxide. In 1960 Keeling published his first paper showing the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and linking the increase to the burning of fossil fuels.

These two research papers became the bedrock of the science of global warming, even though they offered no proof that carbon dioxide was in fact a greenhouse gas. In addition they failed to explain how this trace gas, only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, could have any significant impact on temperatures.

Now let me take you back to the1950s when this was going on. Our cities were entrapped in a pall of pollution from the crude internal combustion engines that powered cars and trucks back then and from the uncontrolled emissions from power plants and factories. Cars and factories and power plants were filling the air with all sorts of pollutants. There was a valid and serious concern about the health consequences of this pollution and a strong environmental movement was developing to demand action. Government accepted this challenge and new environmental standards were set. Scientists and engineers came to the rescue. New reformulated fuels were developed for cars, as were new high tech, computer controlled engines and catalytic converters. By the mid seventies cars were no longer big time polluters, emitting only some carbon dioxide and water vapor from their tail pipes. Likewise, new fuel processing and smoke stack scrubbers were added to industrial and power plants and their emissions were greatly reduced, as well.

But an environmental movement had been established and its funding and very existence depended on having a continuing crisis issue. So the research papers from Scripps came at just the right moment. And, with them came the birth of an issue; man-made global warming from the carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.

Revelle and Keeling used this new alarmism to keep their funding growing. Other researchers with environmental motivations and a hunger for funding saw this developing and climbed aboard as well. The research grants began to flow and alarming hypothesis began to show up everywhere.

The Keeling curve showed a steady rise in CO2 in atmosphere during the period since oil and coal were discovered and used by man. As of today, carbon dioxide has increased from 215 to 385 parts per million. But, despite the increases, it is still only a trace gas in the atmosphere. While the increase is real, the percentage of the atmosphere that is CO2 remains tiny, about .41 hundredths of one percent.

Several hypothesis emerged in the 70s and 80s about how this tiny atmospheric component of CO2 might cause a significant warming. But they remained unproven. Years have passed and the scientists kept reaching out for evidence of the warming and proof of their theories. And, the money and environmental claims kept on building up.

Back in the 1960s, this global warming research came to the attention of a Canadian born United Nation’s bureaucrat named Maurice Strong. He was looking for issues he could use to fulfill his dream of one-world government. Strong organized a World Earth Day event in Stockholm, Sweden in 1970. From this he developed a committee of scientists, environmentalists and political operatives from the UN to continue a series of meeting.

Strong developed the concept that the UN could demand payments from the advanced nations for the climatic damage from their burning of fossil fuels to benefit the underdeveloped nations, a sort of CO2 tax that would be the funding for his one-world government. But, he needed more scientific evidence to support his primary thesis. So Strong championed the establishment of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. This was not a pure climate study scientific organization, as we have been lead to believe. It was an organization of one-world government UN bureaucrats, environmental activists and environmentalist scientists who craved the UN funding so they could produce the science they needed to stop the burning of fossil fuels. Over the last 25 years they have been very effective. Hundreds of scientific papers, four major international meetings and reams of news stories about climatic Armageddon later, the UN IPCC has made its points to the satisfaction of most and even shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore.

At the same time, that Maurice Strong was busy at the UN, things were getting a bit out of hand for the man who is now called the grandfather of global warming, Roger Revelle. He had been very politically active in the late 1950’s as he worked to have the University of California locate a San Diego campus adjacent to Scripps Institute in La Jolla. He won that major war, but lost an all important battle afterward when he was passed over in the selection of the first Chancellor of the new campus.

He left Scripps finally in 1963 and moved to Harvard University to establish a Center for Population Studies. It was there that Revelle inspired one of his students to become a major global warming activist. This student would say later, "It felt like such a privilege to be able to hear about the readouts from some of those measurements in a group of no more than a dozen undergraduates. Here was this teacher presenting something not years old but fresh out of the lab, with profound implications for our future!" The student described him as "a wonderful, visionary professor" who was "one of the first people in the academic community to sound the alarm on global warming," That student was Al Gore. He thought of Dr. Revelle as his mentor and referred to him frequently, relaying his experiences as a student in his book Earth in the Balance, published in 1992.

So there it is, Roger Revelle was indeed the grandfather of global warming. His work had laid the foundation for the UN IPCC, provided the anti-fossil fuel ammunition to the environmental movement and sent Al Gore on his road to his books, his movie, his Nobel Peace Prize and a hundred million dollars from the carbon credits business.

What happened next is amazing. The global warming frenzy was becoming the cause celeb of the media. After all the media is mostly liberal, loves Al Gore, loves to warn us of impending disasters and tell us "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". The politicians and the environmentalist loved it, too.

But the tide was turning with Roger Revelle. He was forced out at Harvard at 65 and returned to California and a semi retirement position at UCSD. There he had time to rethink Carbon Dioxide and the greenhouse effect. The man who had inspired Al Gore and given the UN the basic research it needed to launch its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was having second thoughts. In 1988 he wrote two cautionary letters to members of Congress. He wrote, "My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 or 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse effect is going to be important for human beings, in both positive and negative ways." He added, "…we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer."

And in 1991 Revelle teamed up with Chauncey Starr, founding director of the Electric Power Research Institute and Fred Singer, the first director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, to write an article for Cosmos magazine. They urged more research and begged scientists and governments not to move too fast to curb greenhouse CO2 emissions because the true impact of carbon dioxide was not at all certain and curbing the use of fossil fuels could have a huge negative impact on the economy and jobs and our standard of living. I have discussed this collaboration with Dr. Singer. He assures me that Revelle was considerably more certain than he was at the time that carbon dioxide was not a problem.

Did Roger Revelle attend the Summer enclave at the Bohemian Grove in Northern California in the Summer of 1990 while working on that article? Did he deliver a lakeside speech there to the assembled movers and shakers from Washington and Wall Street in which he apologized for sending the UN IPCC and Al Gore onto this wild goose chase about global warming? Did he say that the key scientific conjecture of his lifetime had turned out wrong? The answer to those questions is, "I think so, but I do not know it for certain". I have not managed to get it confirmed as of this moment. It’s a little like Las Vegas; what is said at the Bohemian Grove stays at the Bohemian Grove. There are no transcripts or recordings and people who attend are encouraged not to talk. Yet, the topic is so important, that some people have shared with me on an informal basis.

Roger Revelle died of a heart attack three months after the Cosmos story was printed. Oh, how I wish he were still alive today. He might be able to stop this scientific silliness and end the global warming scam.

Al Gore has dismissed Roger Revelle’s Mea culpa as the actions of senile old man. And, the next year, while running for Vice President, he said the science behind global warming is settled and there will be no more debate, From 1992 until today, he and his cohorts have refused to debate global warming and when ask about we skeptics they simply insult us and call us names.

So today we have the acceptance of carbon dioxide as the culprit of global warming. It is concluded that when we burn fossil fuels we are leaving a dastardly carbon footprint which we must pay Al Gore or the environmentalists to offset. Our governments on all levels are considering taxing the use of fossil fuels. The Federal Environmental Protection Agency is on the verge of naming CO2 as a pollutant and strictly regulating its use to protect our climate. The new President and the US congress are on board. Many state governments are moving on the same course.

We are already suffering from this CO2 silliness in many ways. Our energy policy has been strictly hobbled by no drilling and no new refineries for decades. We pay for the shortage this has created every time we buy gas. On top of that the whole thing about corn based ethanol costs us millions of tax dollars in subsidies. That also has driven up food prices. And, all of this is a long way from over.

And, I am totally convinced there is no scientific basis for any of it.

Global Warming. It is the hoax. It is bad science. It is a high jacking of public policy. It is no joke. It is the greatest scam in history.

John Coleman
1-29-09


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Old 01-29-2009, 11:53 AM
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I hate to admit that I believe you buddy, I think its right up there with they have weapons of mass distruction and the easter bunny!

The biggest coming hoax to hit the world is going to be from the bible though year 2012.

The End of the World, its going to be right up there with Y2K and people are going to be running scared and the bible is going to show us all the way.

I dont believe that one either!



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I hate to admit that I believe you buddy, I think its right up there with they have weapons of mass distruction and the easter bunny!

The biggest coming hoax to hit the world is going to be from the bible though year 2012.

The End of the World, its going to be right up there with Y2K and people are going to be running scared and the bible is going to show us all the way.

I dont believe that one either!
Please leave the Easter Bunny out of your equation, he’s not by any means responsible for global warming… stop being a bully!

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Thanks for the great post, brucefan.

Some of us have been on to this shakedown since the very beginning.

The problem of course, is how fast liberals are to enact new 'laws of future life'...when they started REQUIRING kids to watch Gore's laughably amateurish lie-fest, it was all over.

The world will continue to heat and cool, as it always has, regardless of we do.

This is all about imposing their will on YOU. It is the powerless, the weak, the liars, the gossipers...all those who cannot play fair or compete on a level playing field. In short, it is payback for high-school, when these character flaws were first revealed and were impossible to conceal.

Now they want to require 35MPG from cars, and stop drilling our own oil. This will spell the certain end of American car-makers, who cannot afford to take the same smaller profit on hybrids while in development.

Why can't they afford to? Yep, you guessed it! The ridiculous wages and benefits paid to US autoworkers via the unions...


As always...thanks, libs!



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Thanks for that. John Coleman is our local weather man here in San Diego. It's an easy job because we don't really have weather here.


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By John Coleman
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The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax we citizens for our carbon footprints. Only two details stand in the way, the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate.
Yes there has been colder weather over the last few years, but nothing that was not expected.

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The last two bitter winters have lead to a rise in public awareness that CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a significant greenhouse gas that is triggering runaway global warming.
Begging the question

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How did we ever get to this point where bad science is driving big government we have to struggle so to stop it?
Again, begging the question

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The story begins with an Oceanographer named Roger Revelle. He served with the Navy in World War II. After the war he became the Director of the Scripps Oceanographic Institute in La Jolla in San Diego, California. Revelle saw the opportunity to obtain major funding from the Navy for doing measurements and research on the ocean around the Pacific Atolls where the US military was conducting atomic bomb tests. He greatly expanded the Institute’s areas of interest and among others hired Hans Suess, a noted Chemist from the University of Chicago, who was very interested in the traces of carbon in the environment from the burning of fossil fuels. Revelle tagged on to Suess studies and co-authored a paper with him in 1957. The paper raises the possibility that the carbon dioxide might be creating a greenhouse effect and causing atmospheric warming. It seems to be a plea for funding for more studies. Funding, frankly, is where Revelle’s mind was most of the time.

Next Revelle hired a Geochemist named David Keeling to devise a way to measure the atmospheric content of Carbon dioxide. In 1960 Keeling published his first paper showing the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and linking the increase to the burning of fossil fuels.
Relevance?

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These two research papers became the bedrock of the science of global warming, even though they offered no proof that carbon dioxide was in fact a greenhouse gas.
Just because they were the first doesn't mean they have any relevance today. Copernicus wasn't the first to suggest the Earth rotated around the sun, but the fact that those before him had no basis for the suggestion doesn't make it any less true today.

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In addition they failed to explain how this trace gas, only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, could have any significant impact on temperatures.
So frickin what?!?!? Maybe you should try looking at the tens of thousands of papers published since then?

Has this guy even ever read an academic paper? Does he have any idea how many papers it takes before a subject is even slightly understood? No academic paper, ever, has completely explained a subject.

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Now let me take you back to the1950s when this was going on. Our cities were entrapped in a pall of pollution from the crude internal combustion engines that powered cars and trucks back then and from the uncontrolled emissions from power plants and factories. Cars and factories and power plants were filling the air with all sorts of pollutants. There was a valid and serious concern about the health consequences of this pollution and a strong environmental movement was developing to demand action. Government accepted this challenge and new environmental standards were set. Scientists and engineers came to the rescue. New reformulated fuels were developed for cars, as were new high tech, computer controlled engines and catalytic converters. By the mid seventies cars were no longer big time polluters, emitting only some carbon dioxide and water vapor from their tail pipes. Likewise, new fuel processing and smoke stack scrubbers were added to industrial and power plants and their emissions were greatly reduced, as well.

But an environmental movement had been established and its funding and very existence depended on having a continuing crisis issue. So the research papers from Scripps came at just the right moment. And, with them came the birth of an issue; man-made global warming from the carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.

Revelle and Keeling used this new alarmism to keep their funding growing. Other researchers with environmental motivations and a hunger for funding saw this developing and climbed aboard as well. The research grants began to flow and alarming hypothesis began to show up everywhere.
Well that's a nice bedtime story, but where's the evidence to back it up?

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The Keeling curve showed a steady rise in CO2 in atmosphere during the period since oil and coal were discovered and used by man. As of today, carbon dioxide has increased from 215 to 385 parts per million. But, despite the increases, it is still only a trace gas in the atmosphere. While the increase is real, the percentage of the atmosphere that is CO2 remains tiny, about .41 hundredths of one percent.
This argument is ridiculous. I'll tell you what. I'll put a few hundred parts per million of arsenic into your drinking water and you let me know whether or not that is significant. This argument betrays a complete and utter non-understanding of physics.



Can't be bothered with the rest of this bullshit. Some people... fuck it

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Yes there has been colder weather over the last few years, but nothing that was not expected.



Begging the question



Again, begging the question



Relevance?



Just because they were the first doesn't mean they have any relevance today. Copernicus wasn't the first to suggest the Earth rotated around the sun, but the fact that those before him had no basis for the suggestion doesn't make it any less true today.



So frickin what?!?!? Maybe you should try looking at the tens of thousands of papers published since then?

Has this guy even ever read an academic paper? Does he have any idea how many papers it takes before a subject is even slightly understood? No academic paper, ever, has completely explained a subject.



Well that's a nice bedtime story, but where's the evidence to back it up?



This argument is ridiculous. I'll tell you what. I'll put a few hundred parts per million of arsenic into your drinking water and you let me know whether or not that is significant. This argument betrays a complete and utter non-understanding of physics.



Can't be bothered with the rest of this bullshit. Some people... fuck it


Wow!! Look who drank the bitter Kool Aid! I thought you were a numbers guy.




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This argument is ridiculous. I'll tell you what. I'll put a few hundred parts per million of arsenic into your drinking water and you let me know whether or not that is significant. This argument betrays a complete and utter non-understanding of physics.
Kazza, Arsenic!? That's a perversion of what he's saying. Compared to water vapor, CO2 is a tiny component of the greenhouse effect. Of that tiny amount, only one tenth of one percent is man-made. The Kyoto Protocol calls for mandatory carbon dioxide reductions of 30% from developed countries. Reducing man-made CO2 emissions this much would have an undetectable effect on climate. Such drastic measures would reduce total human greenhouse contributions from CO2 by about 0.035%. This is much less than the natural variability of Earth's climate system!
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It's hard to believe that some of you take John Coleman seriously.

He's just a weather man.

Last year, he was blaming the soaring cost of gasoline on the environmentalists. That was when it was selling for over $4 a gallon.

Now that the cost of gas has dropped to $1.50 a gallon, how is he going to complain?

He's probably very disappointed.

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Kazza, Arsenic!? That's a perversion of what he's saying. Compared to water vapor, CO2 is a tiny component of the greenhouse effect. Of that tiny amount, only one tenth of one percent is man-made. The Kyoto Protocol calls for mandatory carbon dioxide reductions of 30% from developed countries. Reducing man-made CO2 emissions this much would have an undetectable effect on climate. Such drastic measures would reduce total human greenhouse contributions from CO2 by about 0.035%. This is much less than the natural variability of Earth's climate system!
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OMFG. For the ceremonial 1000th time on this forum - Water and CO2 do not behave the same way. Water vapour has such a short equilibrium time that it effectively acts solely as a feedback mechanism. On the other hand, it takes so long for CO2 to equilibrate that on a human timescale it's a forcing.

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Wow!! Look who drank the bitter Kool Aid! I thought you were a numbers guy.




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Yep. Because I sure as hell am just buying into what the media says and haven't given global warming any real thought at all, right?

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Yep. Because I sure as hell am just buying into what the media says and haven't given global warming any real thought at all, right?
Oh, of course I think you have far, far more knowledge than any of the hundreds of professionals around the world who have disputed Gores theories...

Here is an easy one: Has the earth heated and cooled for um...many years, all by itself, long before all the heinous and abominable destruction caused by your SUV?

Don't be a continuing source of humor and revenue for these fucking shakedown artists.

It started with a ban on getting our own oil (what Coleman was referring to, Barbie) from wasteland in Alaska and has lead to our current dependence on foreign sources of fuel.

And it will continue with the current ridiculous impending mandate to bring MPG up to 35, thereby killing our own Automakers. Thanks, libs!

Liberals will eventually kill everything Americans enjoy. Why? Because they have no joy in their own lives and they will be damned if they are going to watch you enjoy yours!


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Oh, of course I think you have far, far more knowledge than any of the hundreds of professionals around the world who have disputed Gores theories...
Oh, but you have more knowledge than the thousands of professionals who agree with AGW, and more than the combined membership of every major scientific organisation in the world?

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Here is an easy one: Has the earth heated and cooled for um...many years, all by itself, long before all the heinous and abominable destruction caused by your SUV?
Yes. So what? No one has ever suggested otherwise.

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Don't be a continuing source of humor and revenue for these fucking shakedown artists.

It started with a ban on getting our own oil (what Coleman was referring to, Barbie) from wasteland in Alaska and has lead to our current dependence on foreign sources of fuel.
You're own government agencies say that tapping the Alaskan fuel will not even come close to ending your dependence on foreign oil. In fact, I have no idea how it is even relevant since the oil will be sold on the world market anyway. If that's your concern you're better off keeping it till the shit hits the fan.

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And it will continue with the current ridiculous impending mandate to bring MPG up to 35, thereby killing our own Automakers. Thanks, libs!

Liberals will eventually kill everything Americans enjoy. Why? Because they have no joy in their own lives and they will be damned if they are going to watch you enjoy yours!


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This has nothing to do with liberals, ffs. Nor does it have anything to do with policy decisions. Whether or not liberals like global warming, and what policies they promote to deal with it, has absolutely no relevance to a discussion on whether or not it exists.

More liberals than conservatives believe in an Earth that it is more than 6000 years old. Does that mean that it's also an evil conspiracy headed by Al Gore to try to destroy the American way of life?

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Ever notice how the Americans find enemies everywhere? It looks to me like classic paranoia.

Everywhere they go it's always us vs them. In their neighborhood they are in constant competition with the neighbors. In their cities they are in constant competition with other cities for sports, funding etc.In their country it's always Lib vs Con. In the world, they constantly find enemies to attack.

Why is it that Americans have to find enemies everywhere? Why are they so paranoid and combatant?

And nomater what the problem, they always find someone to blame but never do anything to solve the problems.
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Why is it that Americans have to find enemies everywhere? Why are they so paranoid and combatant?
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Ever notice how the Americans find enemies everywhere? It looks to me like classic paranoia.

Everywhere they go it's always us vs them. In their neighborhood they are in constant competition with the neighbors. In their cities they are in constant competition with other cities for sports, funding etc.In their country it's always Lib vs Con. In the world, they constantly find enemies to attack.

Why is it that Americans have to find enemies everywhere? Why are they so paranoid and combatant?

And no matter what the problem, they always find someone to blame but never do anything to solve the problems.
it's probably because we consider ourselves king of the hill ever since independence was established!? hehe!!.....just askn..
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