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Old 02-10-2009, 04:02 PM
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When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

I know the answer to this and it is real history of when this teaching started to be taught and now all Christians believe in this teaching by using 1 verse in New Testament.
If you feel you know the answer then respond and I will eventually inform all of you.
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:37 PM
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

Better question is why did the teaching of the rapture start?

Religion has always been a way of controlling the masses when the rule of law wasn't sufficient or enforceable.

What if all religions are just man made and not inspired by a higher being.

What if each religion actually does have a higher being or a god but each one is a different god.

What if we have been divided up between the gods.

At the end the god with the most converts wins.

Maybe, we, are the experiment.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:44 AM
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

is there any difference between rapture and wrapture!?why does everyone pronounce it rapsure!?is it like knock on wood!?rap-sure!?(certainty)!?and is modern rappin knockin on the door/walls of mind........soorry.....i think mr.carlin is in my head today!? heeh!!...just askn...
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:12 AM
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

Yeshua taught that True Religion was to feed the Widows, Orphans and basically the have-nots.
So, how many so-called Christians have religion or even as according to Yeshua, Religion is not a belief system and all could have religion if they did what He mentioned.(It is not separate groups)
One more thing Rapture ain't nowhere in the Bible.
But, the answer is coming I promised after a few more replies.

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Old 02-11-2009, 07:30 AM
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

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Yeshua taught that True Religion was to feed the Widows, Orphans and basically the have-nots.
So, how many so-called Christians have religion or even as according to Yeshua, Religion is not a belief system and all could have religion if they did what He mentioned.(It is not separate groups)
One more thing Rapture ain't nowhere in the Bible.
But, the answer is coming I promised after a few more replies.
Rapture is not in the Bible. I believe teaching about the concept of a 'rapture' began in the early 1900s ( around the 1920s I think )

I think it began during some type of revival meetings or some type of evangelist crusade, if I recall....

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Old 02-11-2009, 02:04 PM
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

I think it started when the first bible thumpers arrived. I can see it now....

"Hey have you met with Jesus?"

"No and I don't want to be bothered."

"Then you can GO TO HELL!"

Yep... .that's how it happened.
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

Well I am glad to of gotten some answers and one was pretty close to it, but off about 100 years.
I'll give the answer now and this is what has been found , but there are 2 reasons that could be true.
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Popularization of the rapture began with the teachings of British Evangelist Joseph Nelson Darby (1800-1882) prior to the 19th Century, the concept of rapture was unknown to Christians.
There is some speculation that Darby was not the one who originated the idea.
Some researchers argue that the concept originated by a vision a 15 year old girl Margaret MacDonald (Scottish) who claimed she had a vision from God of the faithful ascending into the sky and meeting Jesus(Yeshua) in the clouds, which she promptly wrote down and sent a letter to London preacher Edward Irving. Shortly after that His church released the first known public acknowledgement of the Rapture in an article in the 1830 issue of their periodical "The Morning Watch"
Margaret also claimed she saw the Anti-Christ in then known infamous socialist Robert Owen (He Died).
So, as the word of GOD has shown us is that if one is a true Prophet of God they have to be correct 100% of the time.
Conclusion is that all Christian Churches preach a Total delusion of a 15 yr old or a Preacher who was creating a Cult following.
Also they use 1 verse to try and prove their teachings 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Take your choice, but truth can be found in History.
But that's not what Christ taught only Paul and He wasn't the Christ or was he?
Read what Christ had to say and follow that first.
I hope everyone has learned something and that you must look at History to actually learn about today.

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Well I am glad to of gotten some answers and one was pretty close to it, but off about 100 years.
I'll give the answer now and this is what has been found , but there are 2 reasons that could be true.
Answer:
Popularization of the rapture began with the teachings of British Evangelist Joseph Nelson Darby (1800-1882) prior to the 19th Century, the concept of rapture was unknown to Christians.
There is some speculation that Darby was not the one who originated the idea.
Some researchers argue that the concept originated by a vision a 15 year old girl Margaret MacDonald (Scottish) who claimed she had a vision from God of the faithful ascending into the sky and meeting Jesus(Yeshua) in the clouds, which she promptly wrote down and sent a letter to London preacher Edward Irving. Shortly after that His church released the first known public acknowledgement of the Rapture in an article in the 1830 issue of their periodical "The Morning Watch"
Margaret also claimed she saw the Anti-Christ in then known infamous socialist Robert Owen (He Died).
So, as the word of GOD has shown us is that if one is a true Prophet of God they have to be correct 100% of the time.
Conclusion is that all Christian Churches preach a Total delusion of a 15 yr old or a Preacher who was creating a Cult following.
Also they use 1 verse to try and prove their teachings 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Take your choice, but truth can be found in History.
But that's not what Christ taught only Paul and He wasn't the Christ or was he?
Read what Christ had to say and follow that first.
I hope everyone has learned something and that you must look at History to actually learn about today.
yep...I was only off 100 years...early 19th century is 1820-30s not 1920-30s
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Old 02-12-2009, 04:34 AM
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is there any difference between rapture and wrapture!?why does everyone pronounce it rapsure!?is it like knock on wood!?rap-sure!?(certainty)!?and is modern rappin knockin on the door/walls of mind........soorry.....i think mr.carlin is in my head today!? heeh!!...just askn...


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Old 02-12-2009, 07:08 AM
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Conclusion is that all Christian Churches preach a Total delusion of a 15 yr old or a Preacher who was creating a Cult following.
Also they use 1 verse to try and prove their teachings 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Actually, that is two verses.

But, if you must know the truth, there are quite a few other references that the christian church states teach this rapture event, as in the gospels where Jesus said two would be in the field, one shall be taken, and the other left, two shall be grinding corn, one shall be taken and the other left. Then Jesus says to watch therefore, for you know not what hour your Lord doth come.

If this is not the 'christian rapture', then what is it? I agree with you, but I must ask, what is this event where two will be in the field, one shall be taken and the other left?

Also, in 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52, 'Behold, I show you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.'

If this is not the 'christian rapture', then what is it?

There are a few other mentions of this event, whatever it may be, and in any case, there are many more than one verse that describe this event that most christian churches say is this one time rapture event of the 'saved'.
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

I guess it's a good thing I don't work in a field or grind corn then! *Whew!*
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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

Actually not all Christians believe in the Rapture. It is a foreign concept to the "mainline" churches (Lutheran, Prebyterian, Roman Catholic, etc.) It is common among the "Evangelical" world---but that is definitely not all of Christendom.

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Re: When did the teaching of a Rapture start?

This is basically for (TIG)
Two in the Field / two grinding at the grinding stone -----One taken other left behind
Maybe one dies and the other doesn't?
Like if your sitting with a friend and you are both are doing drugs and your friend dies ?
Or like your driving a car and have an accident and one dies?
Now here"s something to also think about:
Your alive or dead at the twinkling of an eye your (all) changed.
Changed into what?
But this event is at the End of days ( Last Trump) remember in Revelation there are seven trumps!
Where is it that Christians go before the trump?
Did not Christ also teach that the number of the beast was 666 and that is the number of Man. So if that's true we are all the Beast.
Christ taught in parribles, do you know what they are?
He never told any in His teachings the true knowledge for they could never of comprehended it for as they "say it was over their heads."
Another thing I like to ask you since you have such great knowledge is:
How do you pronounce his magical name, you know the one He said if you claim it in His name it shall be done?
Did you research that at all or just accept that Jesus is that name, if so you are way wrong.
do the research and then you to could heal the deaf and all forms of sickness just like the Apostles did.
They knew his real name and the secrets he taught them on How to pronounce it in order to be able to do as he. Which he did say they could move a mountain if they did with true faith and belief and usage of the correct Name.
So, what is it and how do you pronounce it and will it work because your faith is as theirs(the Apostles)?
you may know the King James real well, even better then I, but do you know what was actually being offered to G-ds Creation?
Who was Lucifer? " Son of G-d" (JOB)
What does Lucifer mean? Light!
Lucifer is what? father of all lies!
What can't he do?
He can't create Life or tell the truth only in the truth of acknowledging G-d and Christ and what is G-ds plan for man.
What can he do? Everything else that G-d would permit him to do(remember Lucifer did not win the war)
G-d permits him to do G-ds will in order for "His will to be done in Heaven and in the Earth"
It is said the greatest truth you may hear is the Lie Satan tells you.
Be careful in what you seek in the King James and other versions for they have been gone over by agents of the other Worlds we can't see. As in doing battles with spirits and principalities.
Become in thought as the people of Christs time and believe what they believed to be true and maybe you will have eyes to see and ears to hear
Don't believe for one minute that if it is G-ds Will Satan(Lucifer) can't do Miracles if G-d permits him to get His Will done!
And in this G-ds plan continues the way he designed it to!


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Jesus said two would be in the field, one shall be taken, and the other left, two shall be grinding corn, one shall be taken and the other left. Then Jesus says to watch therefore, for you know not what hour your Lord doth come.
In the end there can be only one.

It's really because one of them took the others' head isn't it?
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