DubLi

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

you don't buy a website, its provided to you when you become an associate. the website is more like ....a way to link any customers or future associates to you. you are simply getting rewarded for bringing dubli to the people. the only way you can get rewarded is if there linked to you...for example, i put up an ad thats supplied from the back office provided by dubli on some website or blog...such as the link above. they click it and there brought to your site......

But again, why would Dubli do this? WHy not just post the ads themselves, get all the links to go back to their own site, and save the commissions? Why pay out commissions to people for doing work that's more easily done by themselves for themselves?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by gettingwealthy

Interesting. We'll have to see how this all shakes out as Dubli launches in the US.

Isn't it up now? I thought it was supposed to launch yesterday. I've seen absolutely no advertising or promotion of any kind anywhere. What's the deal, anyone?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Yea, I don't shop on E-Bay much either. Not worth the time, unless it's an item I can't get anywhere else.

Still, your comparison isn't entirely meaninful. e-Bay prices tend to start way, way low, so you may still pay a price below "market value", if no one else bids. And you don't have to pay to find out where the price is, and whether or not you get the item.

Furthermore, if Dubli really does get as popular as e-Bay, there will be so many competing bidders for each item the chances of my getting the item go down with the price. Just doesn't seem like it's worth it.

I mean, over time, say over the course of a year, let's say I spend 10 hours on e-Bay and 10 hours on Dubli, bidding on 10 items each. Just making it easy to work with. Let's say out of those items I get one item on each board.

On e-Bay, I've spent 10 hours, zero dollars other than the cost of the item (and shipping) and gotten one item, at a pretty much acceptable price. On Dubli I've spent 10 hours, some amount of credits, and the cost of the item, which is less than "market value", or I wouldn't have bought it.

But does the price reduction off-set the expense of the credits? Let's see...

Bidding on 10 items, I've spent at least 10 credits, right? ...ue to the initial checking of the price for each item, right?. Assuming that those "look ins" were near or above market value, I'll have to check each item again, to see if the priced has gone down some. Now I"ve spent 20 credits. Let's assume that on those 2nd "look-ins" half the items have been purchased by someone else. Now, 5 items are left, still not at acceptable prices. Later, I spend 5 more credits to check those prices. Now 3 of those items have been sold. One item is acceptable, and I bid and get the item. So I look in twice more on that last item, but don't get it. All in all, I've spent 27 credits, which equals 19.50. If I manage to get the one item at 19.50 below market value, then maybe it was worth it.
Or, I could have just gone to the store when they were having a 20% off sale, spent about 2 hours and gotten it right when I wanted it and gone home.

Just editing my scenario for clarity.

[Juulie Downs]

..... and furthermore, Dubli is making a killing off this stuff. Since every user has to pay 80 cents to check every price, but the price only goes down 25 cents on every price check, Dubli makes 55 cents "profit" everytime someone checks the price. So the higher above "market value" they start each price, the more people will wait for prices to drop, and the more profit Dubli will make ...

.... in the short run. But the smartest shoppers will begin waiting longer and longer between price checks, to see if they can't get it a little lower for less expense, but then the price won't go down as fast, and shoppers will wait even long, and prices will drop even more slowly. Gradually, Dubli will become a non-factor, since shoppers will want to quit losing money.

Hmm..... is that what happened in Europe?

[ser0tonin]

dubli is up. ...
and guess what....its legit.
t.proia@gmail.com if you want FREE credits to try it yourself.
that guy is giving them out...like a SAMPLE...why would someone spend $ and give it away? cause he knows that your going to be pleased.

dubli = legit

case closed

[ser0tonin]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

..... and furthermore, Dubli is making a killing off this stuff. Since every user has to pay 80 cents to check every price, but the price only goes down 25 cents on every price check, Dubli makes 55 cents "profit" everytime someone checks the price. So the higher above "market value" they start each price, the more people will wait for prices to drop, and the more profit Dubli will make ...

.... in the short run. But the smartest shoppers will begin waiting longer and longer between price checks, to see if they can't get it a little lower for less expense, but then the price won't go down as fast, and shoppers will wait even long, and prices will drop even more slowly. Gradually, Dubli will become a non-factor, since shoppers will want to quit losing money.

Hmm..... is that what happened in Europe?

dubli OWNS ALL THE PRODUCTS...that so called profit covers the cost along with paying dubli and its associates. dubli makes a little profit from the credits.

i dont know why you exert so much ****** trying to make up stuff about dubli. you try so very hard to make something SO SIMPLE sound so Complex...dubli even has little buttons that explain in audio how each auction works. btw...everything on the us version of www.dubli.com gets shipped right from Arizona...yes..in the US....

express auction example: (keep in mind dubli's products are ALL NEW! no used or refurbished products)
you click on an item(w/retail price already listed)>dubli credit gets spent>you see the Dubli Price Being presented>(you make the decision on...is a $150 Ipod for $50 worth it to me? you than click BUY....than you choose shipping method..UPS FedEx..etc. that simple. so you just got an ipod for 50+shipping...and it shipped from the US....so its way cheap...

and its BRAND NEW...WITH A BRAND NAME PRODUCT thats probably not on sell anywhere else...

[alasycia]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

dubli OWNS ALL THE PRODUCTS...that so called profit covers the cost along with paying dubli and its associates. dubli makes a little profit from the credits.

i dont know why you exert so much ****** trying to make up stuff about dubli. you try so very hard to make something SO SIMPLE sound so Complex...dubli even has little buttons that explain in audio how each auction works. btw...everything on the us version of www.dubli.com gets shipped right from Arizona...yes..in the US....

express auction example: (keep in mind dubli's products are ALL NEW! no used or refurbished products)
you click on an item(w/retail price already listed)>dubli credit gets spent>you see the Dubli Price Being presented>(you make the decision on...is a $150 Ipod for $50 worth it to me? you than click BUY....than you choose shipping method..UPS FedEx..etc. that simple. so you just got an ipod for 50+shipping...and it shipped from the US....so its way cheap...

and its BRAND NEW...WITH A BRAND NAME PRODUCT thats probably not on sell anywhere else...

So what you are saying then is that Dubli is now a pay to shop/gambling site? And where are the distributors making their money now?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

dubli OWNS ALL THE PRODUCTS...that so called profit covers the cost along with paying dubli and its associates. dubli makes a little profit from the credits.

i dont know why you exert so much ****** trying to make up stuff about dubli. you try so very hard to make something SO SIMPLE sound so Complex...dubli even has little buttons that explain in audio how each auction works. btw...everything on the us version of www.dubli.com gets shipped right from Arizona...yes..in the US....

express auction example: (keep in mind dubli's products are ALL NEW! no used or refurbished products)
you click on an item(w/retail price already listed)>dubli credit gets spent>you see the Dubli Price Being presented>(you make the decision on...is a $150 Ipod for $50 worth it to me? you than click BUY....than you choose shipping method..UPS FedEx..etc. that simple. so you just got an ipod for 50+shipping...and it shipped from the US....so its way cheap...

and its BRAND NEW...WITH A BRAND NAME PRODUCT thats probably not on sell anywhere else...

I'm not trying to make it complicated. I'm just trying to understand AHEAD OF TIME what all the possibilities are. The scenario you spell out is ONE possibility. There are lots of others with not such a pleasant outcome.

Answer me this: when an item very first gets posted on their site, and bidding begins, is the price at or above "retail"? And whose definition of retail?

If more than three or four people are bidding on that ipod, would they really let the price get to $50 before I just happened to jump in and get it? I doubt it. I expect prices don't get much more than 10 or 20% off before someone buys them.

For that I don't need to spend my time shuffling "credits" on the computer. I can have a pleasant afternoon strolling around downtown and looking at other interesting things, chatting with a friend, afternoon coffee with my husband.

[ser0tonin]

i am just having a hard time determining if your just bagging on dubli because its going to hurt your income or if you are just part of the small % that are scared out of there mind by something so new...almost like a small shop owner who hates walmart...except...its dubli..


http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/20...#comment-30584

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

i am just having a hard time determining if your just bagging on dubli because its going to hurt your income or if you are just part of the small % that are scared out of there mind by something so new...almost like a small shop owner who hates walmart...except...its dubli..


http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/20...#comment-30584

I am none of the above. Just a curious person who thought for a moment about shopping on Dubli, but don't think I will. There are plenty of people out there in the world who will be looking at this as not competition or a threat to them. They just want to know if this is a good place to shop -- good prices, easy access, items I like, good service, etc. I'm saying I don't think I will be shopping there. I doubt it's gonna give me what I want.

First of all, I almost never buy anything new. Very, very rarely. Secondly, I almost never buy something I can't actually see. Thirdly, I never, never, never pay to shop. So Dubli just isn't gonna do it for me.

But good luck with your endeavor. I hope for your sake it goes better in the US than it did in Europe. I can't see how the math will work out in the long run, though. I don't see this as a long-term possibility. But hey what do I know? I didn't vote for GB either, and look what happened with that?

[Juulie Downs]

OKay, just to be fair, I went and looked at the Dubli site.

I have to register just to shop!?!?!?!? Even if it's free, forget it.

You don't have to do that on eBay. You can browse around all day, see what's there, compare prices, look at details of items. I am NOT giving my personal info to someone until I have some clue whether they have anything to offer me.

[ser0tonin]

your telling me you dont have to fill out ANYTHING to buy something at eBay...not even a paypal account? pff

and whats wrong with making an account with dubli? notta...anyway that link i posted in my previous post has some new interesting information.

just wait for awhile until the company is obviously safe like eBay if you have any doubts. lol who can get mad at someone for being cautious?

thanks for at least visiting the site lol your not all that bad! unlike that eaglescout dude on that other site who is OBVIOUSLY typing some misleading information. from bjorns post down is where, in my opinion eaglescout loses..

take care guys im done with scam.com i think the argument was already won at the other site i linked to.

i understand why some people think it was an MLM/pyramid scam lol

so im not blaming anyone for thinking that.

anyway im out!

keep up the good work! i know you guys are not here to bash on companies, but rather keep the peeps safe! (lets keep it that way ;) )

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

your telling me you dont have to fill out ANYTHING to buy something at eBay...not even a paypal account? pff

No, I"m not telling you that. You do have to register to BUY at e-Bay. But you don't have to register to shop. You can look at lots of things, in fact, everything. and see prices. and decide what you want. Can't do any of that at Dubli. Got register to shop. And buy credits to see prices. No thanks.

And still no one's answered my questions about the "business opportunity".

[Bruceinvt]

I think paying money to find out how much something costs is stupid.

[ser0tonin]

Originally Posted by Bruceinvt

I think paying money to find out how much something costs is stupid.

it shows the retail price...witch is already cheaper than anywhere else....btw you DONT have to register to browse the products...now im starting to think you havent even looked at the site... i take back anything nice ive said maybe you guys are just company bashin...

[nomaxim]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

it shows the retail price...witch is already cheaper than anywhere else....btw you DONT have to register to browse the products...now im starting to think you havent even looked at the site... i take back anything nice ive said maybe you guys are just company bashin...

Really, well that's rather odd.

Here is the DubLi link for a Sony-PlayStation-3-80GB which shows a 'Start Price' of $450.00.

In order to see the current price you have to register.

Oh, and by the way. This statement appears to be in error,

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

it shows the retail price...witch is already cheaper than anywhere else

Here are two listings for the same item from retailers for $399.00.

Buy.com PlayStation 3 System (80GB HD, DualShock 3 Wireless Controller) (Free Shipping) And if you apply and qualify for a Buy.com VISA you can knock another $30 off, total $369.00. Plus more off if you have a promo code.

SonyStyle.com PLAYSTATION®3 (80GB). (Free Shipping + If you apply for and qualify for a Sony VISA you can knock another $150 off. Total $249.00.

So, just using the price search engines at Pricegrabber.com and Resellerratings.com and taking a few minutes I knocked $51-201 off DubLi's starting price.

Why would I want to join DubLi and pay to lower the price and maybe not even get the item.

EDIT:
I just did the same with the Panasonic Viera 32" LCD TV.
DubLi starting price $650.00
Buy.com $553.05 +shipping of $41.73 (Total $594.78) $55 less then DubLi's.
eTronics.com $529.94 + $38.56 shipping (Total $568.50)
NewEgg.com $599.99 Free Shipping.

In fact, PriceGrabber.com has 6 listings for less then DubLi's starting price. Resellerratings.com has 4 listings for less.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

...btw you DONT have to register to browse the products...

I checked again and figured out how to do it. I just didn't realize that "more details" which as attached to an item would show all the other items. I still don't see anything I'd ever want to buy.

.. i take back anything nice ive said maybe you guys are just company bashin...

...little touchy, are we?

And the completed auctions are, in fact (as I conjectured, you'll remember) about 10% - 20% below the listed price. Nothing like 50% - 75% off.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by liyanricaoqiyue1314

any one have used runescape ***** leveling service??and what runescape ***** leveling service site is better??

What does that have to do with Dubli!?!?

[borisf96]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

What does that have to do with Dubli!?!?

It is spam like one you get in your mail, but this one is optimized for forums. Do not pay attention to it. It is totally random.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by borisf96

It is spam like one you get in your mail, but this one is optimized for forums. Do not pay attention to it. It is totally random.

I'm good at ignoring totally random things. My 10 year old decided that he'd look up one word per day, and it would be his "random". He says it when he's angry (like an expletive), or he repeats it under his breath when he's concentrating on something, or he just shouts it out when the quiet of the house gets to him. I"ve learned to just ignore it!

[Juulie Downs]

Okay, I"ve been "browsing" around the Dubli site a few times and here's what I find. After 4 days,

33 "Express" auction items, all luxury items.

4 completed "Express" auctions, one of which is a Wii console and "sports bundle". My daughter just bought a Wii with two controllers and two games, and all the "trimmings" for less than the final bid on this item.

0 completed "Zero" auctions. The first one is a $5000 gift certificate to Walmart, of all places. Start price is $5000, natch. good grief with only 4 auctions completed ( after 4 days?!?!_ on the "Express" site, I'm wondering how long it will take until the price of this item will get down to 0!!!

"Unique" auctions set to last a while. First one doesn't end for 4 more days, and there's one there to hold out for 46 days!! Just doesn't look like a shopping site that's gonna be a big hit.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

33 "Express" auction items, all luxury items.

4 completed "Express" auctions.

24 hours later,

same 33 items on the "Express" board. No auctions completed in the last 24 hours.

1 "Zero" auction completed today. Item price started at $10.

No "Unique" auction items will be complete for almost 4 days. Sheez, by making them last so long, they almost guarantee there won't be a unique bid. Lots of time for people to hit every possible multiple of 25 cents.

You know, so many items on e-Bay are collectors' items that aren't "new, brand-name". How could Dubli ever compete with that market, considering sheer dollar value?

[Juulie Downs]

18 hours later, same, same, same, same, same.

6 total sales in 6 days.

Not exactly an explosive launch of an irresistible business opportunity!

[nomaxim]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

18 hours later, same, same, same, same, same.

6 total sales in 6 days.

Not exactly an explosive launch of an irresistible business opportunity!

Well Juulie, you really shouldn't expect a lot of activity on the DubLi website. After all the traffic on Dubli is a fraction of the traffic on eBay.

eBay traffic for SEP2008 was 68,299,160 unique visitors.
DubLi traffic for SEP2008 was 14,121 unique visitors.

DubLi did have a traffic spike up to 120,000 unique vistors a month around June. However, it quickly went back down. They have gotten about 10,000 more unique visitors per month since last year.

eBay on the other hand has dropped by ~9 million unique visitors a month since last year.

eBay has 4,835 times the web traffic that DubLi does.

An interesting tidbit is that the webtraffic for Scam.com for SEP2008 was 285,606 unique visitors. Even that is 20 times the traffic DubLi gets.

NOTE:
Unique visitors means first time visits mostly by people in the US. Also, eBay is the #5 ranked website for unique visits in the US.

IMO, DubLi trying to compete against eBay is a joke.
They are not even a threat to Scam.com, traffic wise, at this time.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by nomaxim

IMO, DubLi trying to compete against eBay is a joke.

Yea, I think that was my point!

[Juulie Downs]

One item sold today. Price about 25% off beginning price.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

One item sold today. Price about 25% off beginning price.

And I found the item for sale in a couple different places on the internet for less than the final price. SHeez...

[jayblog]

Interesting to see this before thinking that Dubli was an interesting concept. I decided to try it out first before commenting which i suggest everyone to do for al things--dont read the cover of the book only. Well Dubli is not impressive because the number of products is so small. very limited choice. i got 3 free credits and used 2 to look at the prices which were not that big of a discount--maybe 5%. then i tried a bid and that was a waste of time. It wasnt the lowest unique bid--what the hell does that mean? Whatever it means the whole thing is a waste of my valuable time. This is only for people who have nothing else to do but shop for things or dream about making money. That legal thing is true about pyramid schemes--eBay is different and same as Google--they dont pay on the downline. You need to have a certain % of sales going to direct sales as retail to be considered legitimate.

I just created an MLM with a group of people so I know a little about these things. We looked through 100 or so comp plans from 100 MLM companies and worked to build the best comp system. Most of the founding members--especially the founder is not thinking about making money for himself but just healing the nations and helping others to get some small side income. We are in the soft launch stage so things may change as we get bigger. I tried Nutraskin (great products), Amway (Quixstar---waste of time but good dish soap!) and looked at others. There are lots of MLMs focusing on these special antioxidants like mangosteem and goji berries or whatever. Most are really get rich scemes. The difference we have at Monatau is that our products are really different and once you try the products--especially Monatau (great ****** feeling--no need to sleep much) you start to get hooked to them. Anyways like all the MLMs they are not for everyone and I only like Monatau because the founding team is made up of caring and energetic people and the products are very unique--I know that everyone says this but as a scientist, venture capitalist, and entrepreneur I have come across many things and found some excellent products but nothing like Monatau--the only substitute would be cocaine and that is not good enough since it is unhealthy and wears you out. Anyways i did not come on here to talk about Monatau but just Dubli which looked like a great idea of lowering the auction amount with each preview--but this will get old and tiresome. Yes some people will get great deals but that will only come through the bid process not the preview since once you see a price that is very reasonable you will purchase it and not wait for it to go to 0.

Dubli as you see is trying to copy the colors of Google too. Quixtar was doing a similar thing but they have failed. All MLMs purport to be a great thing but at the end of the day you know that nearly everyone is greedy and wants to make money so they will see things they way they want with the MAYA of money. Trust me--I have been there and been worked around so many times that I am careful on believing these scams. THis is one reason why this scam site is very helpful.

For those of you who dont think Dubli is great then just take a step back and look the other direction for once as an exercise. Look around you. Try to stand on the other side first. This is a good exercise and if you are confident about it then go back to your way of thinking and go for it no matter what one says. Believe in yourself but just be careful.

I thought Dubli was a neat idea until the presentation got to the money page--bronze, silver gold members and the amount of money to join as a distributor. It is crazy. If you were smart then you would consider a smaller package like $25 just to test it out before jumping full in. The 3 credits for me was enough.

If they had more products it would be better. need thousands more like eBay and this is probably what they want to progress to but they wont because of the fees. anyone else can copy this idea. I could make a much better MLM than Dubli with the same concept but mostly FREE. Hint--you would have to team up with Google on the affiliate programing stuff.

Dubli does not seem like a bad as a scam as many of the things out there but it is bad enough that it will not become popular--Mark my words. Silicon valley has enough smart people to make a better competitor to Dubli and they will because the idea is good--jeeze--eBay can do this too if they want. but it would have to be done in a way that the average customer has a choice for this auction entertainment functions,

[jayblog]

Interesting to see this before thinking that Dubli was an interesting concept. I decided to try it out first before commenting which i suggest everyone to do for al things--dont read the cover of the book only. Well Dubli is not impressive because the number of products is so small. very limited choice. i got 3 free credits and used 2 to look at the prices which were not that big of a discount--maybe 5%. then i tried a bid and that was a waste of time. It wasnt the lowest unique bid--what the hell does that mean? Whatever it means the whole thing is a waste of my valuable time. This is only for people who have nothing else to do but shop for things or dream about making money. That legal thing is true about pyramid schemes--eBay is different and same as Google--they dont pay on the downline. You need to have a certain % of sales going to direct sales as retail to be considered legitimate.

I just created an MLM with a group of people so I know a little about these things. We looked through 100 or so comp plans from 100 MLM companies and worked to build the best comp system. Most of the founding members--especially the founder is not thinking about making money for himself but just healing the nations and helping others to get some small side income. We are in the soft launch stage so things may change as we get bigger. I tried Nutraskin (great products), Amway (Quixstar---waste of time but good dish soap!) and looked at others. There are lots of MLMs focusing on these special antioxidants like mangosteem and goji berries or whatever. Most are really get rich scemes. The difference we have at Monatau is that our products are really different and once you try the products--especially Monatau (great ****** feeling--no need to sleep much) you start to get hooked to them. Anyways like all the MLMs they are not for everyone and I only like Monatau because the founding team is made up of caring and energetic people and the products are very unique--I know that everyone says this but as a scientist, venture capitalist, and entrepreneur I have come across many things and found some excellent products but nothing like Monatau--the only substitute would be cocaine and that is not good enough since it is unhealthy and wears you out. Anyways i did not come on here to talk about Monatau but just Dubli which looked like a great idea of lowering the auction amount with each preview--but this will get old and tiresome. Yes some people will get great deals but that will only come through the bid process not the preview since once you see a price that is very reasonable you will purchase it and not wait for it to go to 0.

Dubli as you see is trying to copy the colors of Google too. Quixtar was doing a similar thing but they have failed. All MLMs purport to be a great thing but at the end of the day you know that nearly everyone is greedy and wants to make money so they will see things they way they want with the MAYA of money. Trust me--I have been there and been worked around so many times that I am careful on believing these scams. THis is one reason why this scam site is very helpful.

For those of you who dont think Dubli is great then just take a step back and look the other direction for once as an exercise. Look around you. Try to stand on the other side first. This is a good exercise and if you are confident about it then go back to your way of thinking and go for it no matter what one says. Believe in yourself but just be careful.

I thought Dubli was a neat idea until the presentation got to the money page--bronze, silver gold members and the amount of money to join as a distributor. It is crazy. If you were smart then you would consider a smaller package like $25 just to test it out before jumping full in. The 3 credits for me was enough.

If they had more products it would be better. need thousands more like eBay and this is probably what they want to progress to but they wont because of the fees. anyone else can copy this idea. I could make a much better MLM than Dubli with the same concept but mostly FREE. Hint--you would have to team up with Google on the affiliate programing stuff.

Dubli does not seem like a bad as a scam as many of the things out there but it is bad enough that it will not become popular--Mark my words. Silicon valley has enough smart people to make a better competitor to Dubli and they will because the idea is good--jeeze--eBay can do this too if they want. but it would have to be done in a way that the average customer has a choice for this auction entertainment functions.

[jayblog]

I didnt realize there were more pages of info on Dubli. This is starting to get really funny--FBI (actually you do need to be careful that the real sales are a certain % of the business and that something like 50% of the oney earned goes to the downline to be shared), Germany, eBay competitor, 80 cents to bring the price down 25 cents etc. I had a good laugh. And this Dubli faithful guy--ser0tonin or something is fixed on his ideas. When the facts are presented he just runs. His eyes are closed and I can already predict the message he will respond back to me and this will be a neverending story. Time will only tell. Dubli can get big to tell you the truth but not that big and at some point it will fade out. The business model is flawed and only the ignorant, stupid, and gullible fools will get involved. So there are many of those in the USA and this is why I predict some momentum for this company--I mean half of the USA elected Bush and for 2 terms.

Look at these comments-this is a GAME!!! Of course the game is more fun if you can find some good deals. The whole idea of getting things for free or low cost is a scam--Remember the old saying that Nothing is Free. Is your time free? Are you going to spend hours per day checking on a lower price of the winning bid? Only people who have nothing else to do and are fools for the most part.

4. How does the ZerO auction work?

With ZerO, every time someone uses a Dubli credit to check the price, the price goes down. The person who checks the price when it is at the lowest price wins and gets the item for free (other than shipping costs).


5. How does the Unique Bid Auction work?

In Unique Bid auctions, the person who bids the lowest price that no one else has bid wins.


ser0tonin is never going to get it so ladies and guys just give up. it will take time. He may make money and be near the top of this pyramid but again it depends on your purpose in life. Why would you want to spend the last moments in your life on this business? The people benefiting the most are the owner of Dubli and also remember that the House always wins.

after reading 4 pages of comments I am starting to get sick of Dubli and realize 100% that it will not be even barely successful now. Julia's comments were very helpful and the price comparisons too. Dubli is a dubious site and will get a few rookies who have never learned about these things before--about 15 years ago for me I would have been fooled by this. I really want to help you all who are really thinking seriously about Dubli but for the most you need to feel the pain of being stupid first.

[ohein56]

Sorry, your post is probably considered SPAM.

Good luck to you in your MLM start-up. From the sounds of it, you'll need lots of it.

The problem with groud floor?, they rarely get off the ground.

JMHO

Kerry

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by jayblog

-especially the founder is not thinking about making money for himself but just healing the nations and helping others to get some small side income.

red flag, red flag...

-especially Monatau (great ****** feeling--no need to sleep much) you start to get hooked to them.

--the only substitute would be cocaine and that is not good enough since it is unhealthy and wears you out.

EEK!! No thank YOU!!

Anyways i did not come on here to talk about Monatau but just Dubli

Uh, yea, sure.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by jayblog

Time will only tell. Dubli can get big to tell you the truth but not that big and at some point it will fade out. The business model is flawed and only the ignorant, stupid, and gullible fools will get involved. So there are many of those in the USA and this is why I predict some momentum for this company--I mean half of the USA elected Bush and for 2 terms.

Only people who have nothing else to do and are fools for the most part.

I really want to help you all who are really thinking seriously about Dubli but for the most you need to feel the pain of being stupid first.

Jay, thanks for the kind comments about my postings, but I don't feel the name-calling and belittling are helpful or constructive. For most people, just sticking to the facts is the most revealing thing you can do.

As of 10-12-08 at 9 am, 1 more sale at about 17% lower than the initial price, again sale price above retail price at other sites.

No two items sold to the same bidder. No items at bargains better than 25% off listed price.
No item at a sold price lower than anywhere else.

And remember, none of those prices include the price paid for the "credits".

Just facts.

[sputtera]

I'm new to this site and found it while searching Google for info on DubLi.

These last 4 pages have really helped me so thanks :)

I too would probably have got sucked into this 5 or 10 years ago but not today.

I decided to check it out as I receive mails (usually ridiculously long) almost every day at the moment. I've told the guy sending them to me that I'm not interested and if he doesn't stop I'm going to report him for spamming me.

Anyway, that aside, I find it incredible that people believe in this...

I don't know how many links I clicked on looking around their site to find out what the hell the whole thing was about. It was just full of advertising, and a million good reasons as to why you should sign up. (took me a while to find the compensation plan too...)

I think the whole thing is too complicated and anyone that has little to some knowledge of MLMs will steer clear of this one.

[jayblog]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Sorry, your post is probably considered SPAM.

Originally Posted by ohein56

Good luck to you in your MLM start-up. From the sounds of it, you'll need lots of it.


JMHO

Kerry

I see that anything you say on this site needs to be carefully thought out. Wild packs of doubters are out there and that is good thing. I could be a car salesman and no one would know.

Sorry--I didnt realize that. First time to use this site. I just saw the Dubli scam info and got all worked up. I just wanted to explain about my experience and what I am doing just to show that I am not a rookie in this MLM world. I was also curious if people would think that I had a different agenda--of course on this site where everyone comes to learn about scams people will be more hard nosed on what is presented. If I could figure out how to delete my post and repost it so it doesn't appear like spam would be fine.

Yes, I know it is tough and very few make it. I am not into MLM types of companiesfor the most part after having seen how they take advantage of people--I want to change this and maybe best is to create a new name like XLM--X level marketing. The MLM word has a bad wrap and bad connotations with it. Too many people have been suckered.

The problem with groud floor?, they rarely get off the ground.

yes we all know that. patience, resilience, poduct, and a great team are needed. the downline is very important in an MLM and that is not a problem for us. we will see. thanks.

[jayblog]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

red flag, red flag...


EEK!! No thank YOU!!




Uh, yea, sure.

red flag--oops--didnt know that it stood out like that. i am a rookie on here so sorry for the misunderstanding. As I read over it I think the red alert is because I spoke about a project I was working on. I am working on lots of projects and do not need attention on a scam site for advertising if that is what it is considered. I will reedit this or remove it if I can. I am a loss for what words to use to explain my thinking at the time since if I mention A it may be construed as B and the confusion can get out of control.

cocaine--just an expression-remember the ****** drink called Cocaine? I know the founders of this company. i could have said caffeine too or ****** drinks but all of these give you a worn out feeling afterward. same thing for the sugar rush you get from all that sugar loaded food in the usa. Western people and now in the East are all getting into ****** drinks and foods--****** shots are growing exponentially. The ****** of the product I found is not coming from the product directly but from the reprogramming of the body to go back to its natural self which is free from diseases. Cancer and all these uncurable diseases are caused by an imbalance in the body and the way to treat them is by not treating them but treating the body to put it back into a natural state. Dis--Ease: the body is out of ease. Stressed out. The pH of the sick body is acidic and a healthy once is at 7.26. Tumors are all acidic.

This is a different topic and I can create a blog somewhere else and someday to speak about this--not here.

[jayblog]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

red flag, red flag...


EEK!! No thank YOU!!




Uh, yea, sure.

I am learning. You think this is red flag because I mentioned that the founder wants to heal the nations and does not care about money so much? I know this is hard to believe but to tell you the truth it is the truth. We had many money making opportunities that were turned down because they do not fulfill the health benefits criteria. I want to make money myself (not only though) but there are some who have a different purpose in life and want to help people change in some way to realize their potential. We are creating a strong relationship with an effective charity in the usa in order to help homeless and hungry people get off the streets. We need to make money so that we can start to solve these global problems. I am not going to waste my life scamming, spamming, lying, selling snake medicine or whatever.

[jayblog]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Jay, thanks for the kind comments about my postings, but I don't feel the name-calling and belittling are helpful or constructive. For most people, just sticking to the facts is the most revealing thing you can do.

As of 10-12-08 at 9 am, 1 more sale at about 17% lower than the initial price, again sale price above retail price at other sites.

No two items sold to the same bidder. No items at bargains better than 25% off listed price.
No item at a sold price lower than anywhere else.

And remember, none of those prices include the price paid for the "credits".

Just facts.

Thank you Julie. I apologize for my name calling and belittling. You are right that you need to stick to the facts and that is what I liked about your posts.

The facts about the 17% and 25% reduction being higher than what you can find on other sites is clear that Dubli does not have that good of a business model. I received some emails from Dubli enthusiasts just saying that the whole concept is simple and what do we not understand about buying products for a lower price by using credits.

The credits cost money--$0.8
It is a time consuming exercise--$100/hour for me
The number of products is too small--maybe will increase.
Products can be found elsewhere for a cheaper price unless you want to spend all of your free time looking for a product and by that time you would have spent 20 hours which is $2000 for me and maybe I saved what $100 on the product if i am lucky?

I think the idea of the price going down over time is great but there must be a better way to do it. Like imagine if google teamed up and said that for every click on their Pay per Click a % of this would go into lowerng the price. Instead of just a lowering of $0.25 out of $0.8 just make it 80% of whatever money is received so the site is honest. 20% would go to operating the website and other operating expenses and profits. All the ads on the site would be used to lower the cost of the product. This would move the business model out of MLM and into a real business.

In short, I think there is a way to make a better Dubli. If it is hot then lots of people will sign up. Dubli has too many problems in the business model to succeed.

[jayblog]

Originally Posted by ser0tonin

dubli is up. ...
and guess what....its legit.
t.proia@gmail.com if you want FREE credits to try it yourself.
that guy is giving them out...like a SAMPLE...why would someone spend $ and give it away? cause he knows that your going to be pleased.

dubli = legit

case closed

dubli = dubious

case open

[Juulie Downs]

24 hours after my last post, no further completed auctions.

I looked into the two completed "Zero" auctions a little further. Neither item listed at more than $20. Higher priced items have been on the site for more than a week, still not completed.

At a starting price of $20, Dubli collects $64.00 for this item ( 80 bids x 80 cents/bid). It may be that the person who won the item didn't pay that much, but someone paid it all. In effect, .80 paid for a $20 item, and 63.20 paid for nothing. Some deal.

[alasycia]

A question that I asked earlier was, how do the distributors get paid? Comissions on sale of exactly what?

I would love an answer

[Juulie Downs]

An "Unique Bid" auction was set to end this afternoon. I looked at the site after the time, and it says, "Auktion bee". I have no idea what that means. But I'm figuring it means that no one gets it. In this case, we don't even KNOW how much Dubli clears on the non-transaction. We just know that anyone who tried to get the item loses.

I just can't see how this "marketing concept" has any future.

[Barry Hawkey]

Wow! I've never been to scam.com before, but this was hilarious reading.

Julie and Boris - great work, great posts. You kept putting up facts, and research, and intelligent questions, and the Dubli supporters just kept saying...gosh, it still makes me laugh!...they just kept saying "Just watch the presentation!"

A few times, people tried to be moderate, and just encouraged potential investors to do some research and ask some questions before plunking down any money.

And the answer from the Dubli camp was always "No! Don't do that! Just watch the presentation! Why is that so hard to understand?!"

I tell you, I was rolling here in my cubicle. Ser0tonin, I'll buy you a beer for making me laugh so hard. How's your Dubli shop doin? How's that $3k doin?

But you know, people love to think that they're the only ones who "get it." Maybe that's one of the big draws of these things - the investors may know it's a flawed idea, but it's worth it to them for the chance to say "See, I'm smarter than you!" to the peanut gallery (me!). So: Ser0tonin, I don't want you to lose that money. I'd love it if Dubli was wildly successful, along with all its investors - it would be just another thing that I don't understand, and gosh knows there are plenty of those.

Boris and Julie were just asking questions - normal questions that you should be able to answer before investing $3,000, without referring to the company literature. Nobody here wants you to fail; they were honestly just worried about you and your $3k.

[Juulie Downs]

Next day's Dubli transactions.

One more Xpress item sold, about 17% lower than the original price, about the same price or slightly higher as a couple different places on the internet. And that doesn't include shipping or the cost of the bids. Probably, keeping a close eye on the newspaper ads for a week or two would yield a substantially lower price, although that's just a guess.

And by the way, none of these items is anything really important for anyone's life. Nothing that you couldn't live quite happily for the rest of your life without ever even knowing about.

Also, about the "Unique Bid" auction, one item completed yesterday -- 700 free bids -- theoretically worth about $550 (although that seems a little subjective to me). It went for about 80% off, but that doesn't include whatever the person who "won" it paid for credits.

Furthermore, the next few "Unique Bid" items to complete are much, much lower prices. Two points to that: a) fewer possible prices which increases the possibility that there won't be one unique bid. b) 80% off $50 is a lot less expensive for Dubli than 80% off $500. There are some more expensive items, but mostly under $350.

[Dubli Lover]

Dubli is not crazy.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Dubli Lover

Dubli is not crazy.

Well, not for the organizers. They're raking it in! But for shoppers, it's just gambling by a different name. Paying to shop is pretty close to crazy.

[Just Browsing]

As a casual observer of this thread, I find it highly unusual that this Juulie would spend so much time and ****** on a business model that she has nothing to do with. I mean the posts, and the examples, and the trips to the website, and the calculations. This is not normal 'casual observer' behavior and it makes me, for one, question her motive.

I would prefer to hear from people who have stepped up and tried Dubli and could share their experience in an unbiased fashion. Thanks!

[Barry Hawkey]

"Just Browsing," look where you are - this is scam.com, where people come to discuss and expose scams.

Would you go to a political forum and ask "Gosh, why do you guys spend so much time discussing politics?" Would you think the vehement members of that forum had a hidden agenda?

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Just Browsing

As a casual observer of this thread, I find it highly unusual that this Juulie would spend so much time and ****** on a business model that she has nothing to do with. I mean the posts, and the examples, and the trips to the website, and the calculations. This is not normal 'casual observer' behavior and it makes me, for one, question her motive.

I would prefer to hear from people who have stepped up and tried Dubli and could share their experience in an unbiased fashion. Thanks!

Gimme a break!

Public forums are for everyone.

From what I understand she's writing a book, and researching this site to help in that endeavour.

Are you considering DubLi as a business? The only opinion regarding that, that really matters, is yours. JMHO

Kerry

[mlmscams]

cabaretjulz - I agree that Dubli is garbage, but your points are very weak. First off, you ask why someone would pay them, comparing it to traditional employment.

That is a very weak statement because in the business world, people pay another company to resell their product all the time. One example is buying a Master Distributor License to resell software. A real life example..one of my friends paid $25,000 to purchase a master license to resell a software program. If he went to work for the company he would make 10% per sale. By purchasing the license he was able to remain self employed and keep much more of the revenue generated. Higher risk...higher reward.

Regarding Dubli itself...here is why it's a scam. The US Gov't does not like MLM companies that offer compensation without a product exchanging hands. Dubli pays their associates based on signups. This structure is a pyramid scheme, which is illegal (MLM is legal). Dubli tries to counter this by saying they compensate on credits...but the credits are part of the signup process and at that point there is no product being sold. I see their argument, but I don't think it will hold too much weight once the Gov't takes a close look.

Also the section of getting a product for free by using credits will probably go away because it's too much like a lottery.

One final note...Just because Dubli is an MLM does not make it a bad company. MLM's get a bad name because of companies like Dubli. People are interacting with their personal network at a pace never seen before due to websites such as Facebook and Myspace. This is one reason why MLM has now become one of the world's fastest growing business models, dramatically outproducing the growth of retail sales.