Online Business Systems (Who Are They)

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The Online Business Systems seem to have tons of advertisements on www.careerbuiler.com. Has anyone worked for these folks? What is this all about?

From what I can see, they seems to be a cash cow for careerbuilder.com and careerbuilder.com have a disclaimer at the bottom of each page.

"Although CareerBuilder.com has reference to job placements, this offering is for a work at home business opportunity and is in no way to be construed as an internet job offering. The incomes presented are applicable to the individuals depicted and are not a guarantee of your income nor are they typical. Each individual's success will be determined by his or desire, dedication, effort, ability to follow directions and personal talent."

www.theonlinebusiness.com


WHOIS ONLINE BUSINESS SYSTEMS?

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Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
Name Server: NS1.GETITONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS2.GETITONLINE.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 21-may-2004
Creation Date: 21-may-2003
Expiration Date: 21-may-2005

Domain Name: GETITONLINE.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS1.GETITONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS2.GETITONLINE.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 10-nov-2004
Creation Date: 14-jun-1996
Expiration Date: 13-jun-2005

Registrant:
Rydell Company, LLC
4 Walden St.
Ladera Ranch, California 92694
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: GETITONLINE.COM
Created on: 14-Jun-96
Expires on: 13-Jun-05
Last Updated on: 13-Jun-04
Administrative Contact:
Rydell, Paul paul@rydell.com
Rydell Company, LLC
4 Walden St.
Ladera Ranch, California 92694 United States
Phone: 949 218 5183

Technical Contact:
Rydell, Paul paul@rydell.com
Rydell Company, LLC
4 Walden St.
Ladera Ranch, California 92694 United States
Phone: 949 218 5183
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NS1.GETITONLINE.COM
NS2.GETITONLINE.COM

California Department of Corporation
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Click on the name of the Limited Partnership orLimited Liability Company for additional information.

RYDELL COMPANY LLC JOHN RYDELL II

LP/LLC Number 200225910098
Date Filed 9/10/2002
Status LP/LLC Name
Agent for Service of Process : active
200328110115 9/19/2003
active RYDELL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, LLC
JAMES LYNCH

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RYDELL COMPANY LLC
Number: 200225910098
Date Filed: 9/10/2002
Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
11 COTTAGE HILL LANE
LADERA RANCH, CA 92684
Agent for Service of Process
JOHN RYDELL II
PO BOX 8
SANTA BARBARA, CA 93102

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Domain Name: THEONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEM.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.GETITONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS2.GETITONLINE.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 07-oct-2004
Creation Date: 20-may-2004
Expiration Date: 20-may-2005

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Domain name: www.theonlinebusinesssystem.com
Registrant Contact:
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Phone: 661 310 2107 Fax: +1.661 310 2107
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Westchester, CA 90045 US

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Westchester, CA 90045 US
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+1.661 310 2107 Fax: +1.661 310 2107

8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045 US

Status: Locked
Name Servers:
ns1.getitonline.com
ns2.getitonline.com

Creation date: 20 May 2004 15:22:23
Expiration date: 20 May 2005 15:22:23

Enom, Inc. has appeared in lots of these WHOIS.

WHOIS results for onlinebusinesssystem.com
Generated by www.DNSstuff.com
I was referred to whois.opensrs.net; I'm looking it up there.

Registrant:
Networx Online
27702 Crown Valley Pkwy
Suite #D-4, #127
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
US

Domain name: ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEM.COM

http://www.networxonline.com/index.h...488fa5e97d0e85

Better Business Bureau Report
http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Bu...anyID=13212992

Administrative Contact:
Rydell, John ****@rydell.com
27702 Crown Valley Pkwy
Suite #D-4, #127
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
US
9492036252
Technical Contact:
Rydell, John ****@rydell.com
27702 Crown Valley Pkwy
Suite #D-4, #127
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
US
9492036252

Registration Service Provider:
Bountiful Services, LLC, ****@rydell.com
949-218-7456

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 16-Nov-2004.
Record expires on 27-Sep-2005.
Record created on 27-Sep-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GETITONLINE.COM 66.216.98.160
NS2.GETITONLINE.COM 65.245.224.78


Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK

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Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.ACTIVEHOST.COM
Name Server: NS2.ACTIVEHOST.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 23-sep-2003
Creation Date: 11-aug-2000
Expiration Date: 11-aug-2010

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NameCheap.com NameCheap.com (support@NameCheap.com)
Phone:661 310 2107 Fax: +1.1 661 310 2107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045 US

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Phone 661 310 2107 Fax: +1.1613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045 US

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NameCheap.com NameCheap.com (support@NameCheap.com)
+1.1661 310 2107 Fax: +1.16613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045 US

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Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed in this database.

Registrant:
Wild West Domains, Inc. A Go Daddy Company
14455 N Hayden Rd
Suite 219
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: WWDomains.com
Domain Name: WILDWESTDOMAINS.COM
Created on: 22-Aug-00
Expires on: 22-Jul-12
Last Updated on: 16-Aug-02

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14455 N Hayden Rd
Suite 219
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
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Domains, Inc., Wild West Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
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[techcrafters]

Online Business Systems is a back office system used by some Herbalife distributors. I would stay far away unless you have a great desire to sell Herbalife products and if you want to do that, then bypass Online Business Systems completely and just sell the product without their expensive back office. I've known a number of people who used this system and some did OK with it, but generally most of them felt it was too expensive. Many that I knew personally who went this way felt pressured to buy their way into a supervisor position and to purchase expensive business leads to jumpstart their business.


-Mary
http://coachme4success.com

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These guys are also heavily on www.Monster.com. Anyone else out there have worked with these folks? From what I see, the firm is a Marketing Firm but they seems to advertised on the major online job search engines.

Are they a marketing firm or a recruiting firm with the THE ONLINE BUINSESS program? THEY ARE ALL OVER or POPULATED MONSTER and CAREERBUILDER.

contactus contactus contactus contactus

[Scrub]

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:40:21 -0600
To: "Jim"
From: "Tanya Phillips" <4jobs@theonlinebusiness.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: A quick question for you.

Hi Jim,

Tanya Phillips here from Online Business Systems.

I have a quick question for you.

Why haven't you taken the next step to get your own
Decision Pack?
Let me know, okay?

Thanks Jim!

Warmest Regards,
Tanya Phillips
Online Business Systems
Qualified Coach
Email: 4jobs@theonlinebusiness.com

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Get the Decision Pack that's changing lives on a Global Scale
http://www.theonlinebusiness.com/dir...assword=stars5

If you want to prevent future messages go to:
http://www.theonlinebusiness.com/r.p...1a699bf050fb01

This message is a solicitation.
Online Marketing Solutions
27702 Crown Valley Pkwy, Suite #D-4, #127
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694

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I am still not clear as to WHO THESE FOLKS ARE. According to the lastest google of thses folks, you come up with this site.

http://www.online-can.com/obs_000/index_flash.asp

A WHOIS LOOKUP reveals the following:

Domain Name: ONLINE-CAN.COM
Registrar: NAMESCOUT CORP
Whois Server: whois.namescout.com
Referral URL: http://www.namescout.com
Name Server: DNS2.MTS.NET
Name Server: DNS1.MTS.NET
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 15-mar-2004
Creation Date: 13-mar-1997
Expiration Date: 14-mar-2005

Domain online-can.com

Date Registered: 1997-3-13
Date Modified: 2004-2-6
Expiry Date: 2006-3-14
DNS1: DNS1.MTS.NET
DNS2: DNS2.MTS.NET

Registrant: Online Enterprises Inc.
200-115 Banntyne Avenue
Winnipeg, MB (CA) R3B0R3

Administrative Contact
Online Enterprises Inc.
Glenn Seburn
Network Analyst
200-115 Banntyne Avenue
Winnipeg, MB (CA)
R3B0R3
204 982 0200 204 982 0201
helpdesk@online-can.com

Technical Contact
Online Enterprises Inc.
Glenn Seburn
Network Analyst
200-115 Banntyne Avenue
Winnipeg, MB (CA)
R3B0R3
204 982 0200 204 982 0201

helpdesk@online-can.com
Registrar: Namescout.com

My understanding was Glenn Kirkpatrick is the administrative contact person. They have offices in several US citites so they must be legitimate.

My only concern is why wasn't I able to find this information the first time I google them?

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Domain Name: NAMESCOUT.COM
Registrar: NAMESCOUT CORP
Whois Server: whois.namescout.com
Referral URL: http://www.namescout.com
Name Server: NS1.NAMESCOUT.COM
Name Server: NS2.NAMESCOUT.COM
Name Server: NS3.BACKBONEDNS.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 16-feb-2004
Creation Date: 01-oct-1999
Expiration Date: 01-oct-2011

Domain Namescout.com
Date Registered: 10/1/1999
Date Modified: 9/12/2004
Expiry Date: 10/1/2012
DNS1: ns1.namescout.com
DNS2: ns2.namescout.com
DNS3: ns3.backbonedns.com

Registrant Namescout Corp
Whitepark House
White Park Road
Bridgetown, Barbados
Administrative Contact
Namescout Corp
Network Operations
Network Operations
Whitepark House, White Park Road
Bridgetown, Barbados
613 768 5140 613 820 0777
noc@namescout.com

Technical Contact
Namescout Corp
Network Operations
Whitepark House, White Park Road
Bridgetown, Barbados
+1 613 768 5140
1 613 820 0777
noc@namescout.com
Registrar: Namescout.com
Register your domain now at www.Namescout.com

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WHOIS server for .org: whois.publicinterestregistry.net. Looking up.

Domain ID:D104246412-LROR
Domain Name:ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEMS.ORG
Created On:19-Apr-2004 19:11:51 UTC
Last Updated On:17-Dec-2004 19:17:46 UTC
Expiration Date:19-Apr-2006 19:11:51 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:OK

Registrant ID:8C7C18287D204B76
Registrant Name:WhoisGuard Protected
Registrant Organization: WhoisGuard
Registrant Street1: 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Registrant City: Westchester
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 90045
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone:+1.661 310 2107

Email:3fd2ebfcaaf54451bf1d9b1c30723f9d.protect@who isguard.com
Admin ID:GODA-26268992
Admin Name: Shawn Dahl
Admin Organization:Globalnet Marketing Solutions
Admin Street1: 14736 Thrift Ave.
Admin City: White Rock
Admin State/Province:British Columbia
Admin Postal Code:V4B-2J5
Admin Country:CA
Admin Phone:+1.604 542 1572
Admin Email:gostech@globalnetmarketing.ca

Tech ID:8C7C18287D204B76
Tech Name:WhoisGuard Protected
Tech Organization:WhoisGuard
Tech Street1:8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Tech City:Westchester
Tech State/Province:CA
Tech Postal Code:90045
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.661 310 2107
Tech Email:3fd2ebfcaaf54451bf1d9b1c30723f9d.protect@who isguard.com

Name Server:NS1.GETITONLINE.COM
Name Server:NS2.GETITONLINE.COM

http://www.cockeyed.com/workfromhome...solutions.html

Globalnet Marketing Solutions is a name used other than the name of the real products you will be asked to promote. The actual company is herbalife. With the "Globalnet Marketing Solutions" name useful information harder to find.

Global Online Systems is another name they use

Short story: You will probably be asked to buy a "decision kit" for $38 or so, then you will be asked to spend $299, for an "international business package" (IBP), then you will be asked to spend $2,000 to accumulate "Value Points" to become a "supervisor".

Be careful!

Read more here Work from Home, unwelcome Herbalife Signs, and remember, "Globalnet Marketing Solutions" is just another name for "herbalife"

Thanks

-Rob Cockerham, Sacramento


My guess The Decision Kit Mr. Cockerham is talking about is what Networx Online is selling.

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Well is there someone out there that have purchased theonlinebusiness system starter kit or worked with them. Please share your experience. Good, Bad or UGLY. We at www.scam.com would like to know. The PUBLIC would like to know. Remember, references would be helpful.

[mrod7]

WOW Herbalife! I can't believe it. I just spent that last hour on their website, which is great by the way but I was in Herbalife years ago and did nothing with it then. It's the same old thing with a new spin to get you excited. Too bad - It sounded great.

[techcrafters]

Yep, same old, same old.... For those who have asked, Online Business Systems asks for $39.95 for their 'decision package' which is a glossy brochure, a DVD of some superstar space-commander type talking about what a great opportunity it is, and a VHS tape doing more of the same. Nowhere in the material is the name of the company. After you receive your super-duper glossy nothingness, you will be called by your Herbalife contact and will eventually be told that you would be dealing with Herbalife if you decide to proceed. At that point, if you go forward, you will be presented with the choice of either joining as a simple distributor or you can get the super-duper Online Business Systems for your own use, at about $399 for the privilege. This will get you a copy of the OBS training manual, a pass to one of Herbalife's training sessions, another several videos, some Rah Rah buttons and a selection of product samples. Yippee!

At this point, you can now build your online business with OBS - though of course, you will still need to come up with a retail site for your business (not included), a merchant account (not included) and you will still need to pay $39.95 per month if you want to use the back office software to track your leads and use their super-spiffy auto-responder system. So, if you're still keeping track, on top of your $399, you will also have whatever your merchant account costs, plus the $39.95 for the back-office, plus whatever it costs you monthly to set up a retail site. So, we're probably up to at least another $100 a month, above and beyond the one-time $399 that you paid to get started. Now, add on their leads package that you are strongly encouraged to use, because, after all, you don't want to re-invent the wheel now, do ya? Of course, you do! So, pony up something like $500 for a slot on one of the ad wheels that OBS is so fond of, and of course they won't make any guarantees whatsoever about how many leads you might actually receive and whether there will be any quality to those leads.

Doesn't that all sound fun? Of course it does, and you would be crazy not to just jump right on that opportunity - yes, I am kidding, folks. If you really want to be in Herbalife, do it, but save yourself the money and stay away from Online Business Systems. Oh, if you're in Canada, a friend in Winnipeg just confirmed for me today that their version of this system is Global Online Systems.

Ironically, as I started to write this, my former upline in Herbalife, who is well aware of the fact that I left the company but apparently still thinks I care, just sent me the latest info from the legalese department. It was actually pretty funny to read, but the most amusing part was where it states that distributors contacting people who live in South Dakota MUST disclose that the opportunity is with Herbalife, although other areas may still do unbranded marketing. Hmm, it is getting hot in South Dakota?

-Mary
http://coachme4success.com

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Mary/techcrafters:

Thanks for the info. HerbalLife reinvent themseleves like most other businesses. What is apparent is that they have run into trouble with the LAW. I sure hope they become more transparent in their business practices.

Herbalife Marketers Plead Guilty to Pyramid Selling -- Global Online Systems Inc. Fined $150,000 for Operating Illegal Pyramid Scheme

OTTAWA, November 23, 2004 — A Competition Bureau investigation into a Vancouver-based multi-level marketing firm has led to a $150,000 fine and guilty pleas on two counts under the deceptive marketing provisions of the Competition Act. The matter has been resolved with Global Online Systems Inc. (GOLS) voluntarily pleading guilty and signing a Prohibition Order filed today with the Federal Court of Canada.

An investigation by the Bureau revealed that GOLS was operating a scheme of pyramid selling. Participants in the GOLS multi-level marketing plan were selling health-related products marketed by Herbalife Canada Ltd.

Contrary to the Act, participants were compensated for the recruitment of new participants and had to buy specific quantities of products as a condition of joining the plan. In addition, GOLS and its participants — through its Web sites and other promotional materials — recruited new participants by exaggerating income expectations without disclosing the income of a typical participant.

"Those who join pyramid schemes are often enticed by promises of easy money, but only the very few at the top ever see any real benefit," said Raymond Pierce, Deputy Commissioner of Competition. "The Bureau is committed to pursuing these offences under the Competition Act and ensuring that Canadians do not fall prey to such scams."

According to the Prohibition Order, Global Online Systems Inc. and its directors, Deborah Jane Stoltz and Marilyn Thom, have agreed to:

* pay a $150,000 fine;
* disclose the average income actually received by all participants in GOALS;
* inform all of its existing distributors and participants of the terms of the Order; and
* not become involved directly or indirectly in any business operation engaged in a scheme of pyramid selling.

Consumers who suspect they have been the victim of deceptive business practices or who want information on the application of the Competition Act should contact the Bureau's Information Centre at 1-800-348-5358, or visit our Web site at http://www.cb-bc.gc.ca.

The Competition Bureau is an independent law enforcement agency which ensures that all Canadians enjoy the benefits of a competitive economy. It oversees the application of the Competition Act, the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, the Textile Labelling Act and the Precious Metals Marking Act.

For media enquiries, please contact:

Maureen McGrath
Senior Communications Advisor
Communications Branch
(819) 953-8982, or (613) 296-2187 (cell)

For general enquiries, please contact:

Information Centre
Competition Bureau
1-800-348-5358

http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.ns...c?OpenDocument

FYI: I have decided to start a FORUM of mine own. My intend is to coordinate the activity of www.scamfraudalert.com with that of www.scam.com.

As a member of this Message board, I owe a hell of a lot to George. Without his help, the number of victims associated with "THE CHECK CASHING SCAM" would be much higher. Thank you George.

Come by and visit all and be a part of both FORUMS.

[bunky]

Hi members, heres a homebase business that is outstanding,and one of the few thats not a scam. Go to www.prepaidlegal.com/go/j_downs This is something everyone can afford,and needs. Your not in this business by yourself. study this site,email me with your questions from the site , and they will get answered. If you look at all the scams on this board,im sure you will never run out of leads,and they are the best leads for this business. Also they are free. The biggest problem with most of these scams is Identity theft. Ill give you all the help you need to make this worth your wild. You want to make money,this is the business to get into. Hope to work with you in the future, Bunky

[techcrafters]

Bunky, please don't use a legitimate thread such as this to promote your business opportunity - that's not what this forum is for.

I'll tell you a secret though that you can use to help you in your business: the vast majority of people that you will come across in this life are sales-resistant, so if you expect them to become suddenly interested in your opportunity when you shove it in their face, you will disappointed nearly every time. If you take the time, instead, to provide valuable insight on a forum, without pushing your products, you may well find that people begin to pay more attention and may at some point actually become interested in your opportunity. Develop realtionships first, and then the sales will follow.

-Mary
http://coachme4success.com

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Category:
Corrupt Companies Submitted: 10/5/2004 7:47:16 AM
Modified: 10/5/2004 7:47:00 AM
Vertical Skip Marketing - AKA: Herbalife Internationa, deceptive advertising, presentations, promises if you keeping investing you will be successful. Invested 7,500 total. Inglewood CA Internet

Company
Vertical Skip Marketing - AKA: Herbalife International
Address:
Nationwide, U.S.A.
Phone Number:
310-410-9600
Fax:


Vertical Skip Marketing AKA: Herbalife International is using the internet and lured me into investing $7,500 to become a supervisor and purchase leads from them.

The promise is that if you keep investing in the leads and calling the people then you will make $l000 to $3000 per month in three months.

Then they tell you to do this you have to pay for a web site, a touchfon account, an account to take credit cards on and on...

They tell you not to "talk too much" to the "qualfied applicant" and basically not to tell them much about the company, let your coach handle that. You are to stay on the presentation and not say anything else.

I wish I had known about your web site before I got hooked into this ripoff and lost thousands.

Charles
Lawton, Oklahoma
U.S.A.

Source: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff111499.htm

[bunky]

Hi Mary, Bunky here. Im sorry but with Identity theft on the rise,i know many here ended up in scams that are tied to identity theft,and they could be victims without knowing it. I like to help out people because people help me at times,and always been this way, so im sorry i got carried away. Im not here to rub off people the wrong way so if i get out of hand,let me know. I want to thank you for the advice,and your right.If people get to know you better,they may listen, but what bothers me that in the mean time, some here will pay a high price waiting to see if i can be trusted. I don't like to see anyone get taken, even if i don't know them. everyone wants to do better,and the scammers know this, so this is the hard part for me playing the waiting game. I hope everything is going good for you,and again,thanks. Bunky

[Aaron75]

Hey guys -

I just went over the business with my 'coach' on Monday and of course wanted to do some research before I committed myself to anything and came across this site. Nice work BTW! I wish I'd found it a few years ago before I tried some other 'online' money makers. :)

Although I certainly haven't made a decision either way I wanted to post what I have found and maybe get some opinions.

I have found a lot of sites complaining about Herbalife and the marketing they do with a lot of valid points. Especially rickross.com (not that I know what Herbalife and cults have in common) and cockeyed.com (which I found through this site). Yes they do have you buy the Decision Package, and after explain that there are startup costs in starting your own business that range form $75 to $399. I read a few pages where people invested a lot of money with no return - thats not what you want in a business!!!

Of course I went to Herbalifes main site which looks very professionally done like another poster mentioned. By clicking on 'Our Company' I found they are in over 50 countries, are a member of the Direct Sellers Association at www.dsa.org and have won numerous awards with them.
They have also been recently listed on the NYSE, have a Nobel Prize winner on their medical advisory board and are now headed by the ex-CEO of Walt Disney Intl. M. Johnson. Sounds like decent creditials to IMHO.
I have seen a lot of conflicting ideas, but if push comes to shove, I would tend to believe the ex-CEO of Walt Disney over the guy at cockeyed.com that glues mattress springs to the bottom of his shoes. :-) (no offense as I did find that site very amusing and have bookmarked it for later to go through the whole thing )

I contacted my coach who is very new to the business regarding further investments and she said she certainly did not make one. Some people did in terms of inventory and/or advertising but from what she learned, her coach makes a business plan for each individual. There were things her coach told her about she might be interested in getting in the future (ie. merchant account, a business phone number), but she certainly did not have to buy anything more and her coach was helping here out with anything she didn't have right now. My opinion is that there are some really good salesmen out there who are getting people to invest. Be careful about this! If you aren't comfortable investing in something - don't do it!

I'm going to do more research over the weekend and see what else I can drag up either way positive and negative and will get back to you guys hopefully on Monday.

[Scrub]

Dear Aaron75 :

I am thrill that you found www.scam.com useful in your researched. I am also impressed with Herbalife CEO credentials. I must agreed that Herbalife do have the respect of some people in the community and perhaps worldwide. Like most MLM businesses or businesses in general, it matures. At some point and time, one can not generate the 200% returns as they did when the product was new.

The decision is yours, if you have the skills and abilities to make billions, go for it. If you are like most of us who want something to bring in extra cash without working your ass off, I strongly suggest you stay away from this and get A FULL TIME JOB.

This is just my opinion but the decision is yours and BEST OF LUCK.

Note: A business that is not transparent in its practices is not worth any investment.

[lesorcan]

To all here at the forum for scams, etal:

Thank you for having done the research on this business I saw at Careerbuilders.com. I was wondering what the sales item is. You folks have all saved me a lot of time. Special note to "Jim", you got Tanya Phillips all riled up! She's comfortable, she's at the top of the pyramid.

Regards, lesorcan

[Scrub]

Thanks for the post lesorcan. Please let us know what your experienced or dealings with theonlinebusinesssystem or Online Business Systems have been like. We definitely would like to know and more importantly, help others reach a decision regarding becoming a part of the Online Business Systems. The decision is always theirs to make. But a inform decision helps. We all bare the RISKS

Scrub
ScamFraudAlert

[RJK1981]

Beware, they also advertise on Monster.com under the company name Make Money @ Home Ltd. and Sales & Marketing Solutions and Company Confidential and Home-Technology-Systems.com

Pretty pathetic they would hide under all these names on a job search engine :rolleyes:

[Erkydooks]

well this seems to be a front end product designed to trap you into buying very expensive and useless back end products to me. They may well be in the business of actually selling goods, but it is suspiciously, (based on the sales patter etc,)one of those opportunities that is focused on selling the opportunity itself rather than some genuine op.

[muligan]

Bunky, Like it or not, Prepaid Legal is a MLM org. If your encouraged to bring on other "distributors" and you get paid for "expanding your network" you are a victim of MLM... Also if you have to "pay to play" it's MLM...

[Dork]

So wait, are they legit enough to work for or not?

[bunky]

Originally Posted by muligan

Bunky, Like it or not, Prepaid Legal is a MLM org. If your encouraged to bring on other "distributors" and you get paid for "expanding your network" you are a victim of MLM... Also if you have to "pay to play" it's MLM...

Well Muligan,If thats the case,everyone who works in life is in MLM,even the people you work for in real life.They are on top while you make money for them,and nothing changes. As far as paying to get started in business,everything today cost money if your going into business. Lets take the person you work for as a example. They pay ins, workmans comp, book keeping, your wages, benfits, health care ( if your luckey) lease on a building,shiping, and so on.He is paying for you to work for him before he starts making money off of you.This is where your wages are figured. Prepaid legal, you pay for supplies you need to get your business started,and keep it going,plus as far as MLM,the only way you move ahead in prepaid is helping the ones below you, not steping on everyone to get to the top like MLm's do so you can get ahead to the top.You have this part wrong to start with. You show me any business that won't cost you anything,and promise the moon,or something,and pay it's people,and me and everyone here will join.We would be a fool not to. Well Bunky, i have a home business where im the boss,and the website is free so nothing you said applies to me on what you said. Well,we have rent, or morgage, ins, elec, heat,repairs,food,car, phone,a ISP, adv, and the promise of this internet business thats going to rush your check in at the middle of the month as long as people get on board. If you think about it,we all have to pay to work either for ourselfs,or someone else.Im not being smart about this,im making a point where we overlook these things.Bunky :)

[lilchiquis]

Okay...I must admit---I was one of those people who got caught up on reading the whole presentation/stories for this Online Business Systems website. Sounded really good and almost......almost signed up for the #39.95 package deal. After reading all of these postings/replies....can't believe it's just a bunch of nothing less than the good old Herbalife and pyramid scheme. Wow, I was starting to get excited about this website and really was considering joining, BUT now I'm bummed out. Should've known it was too good to be true.

[SLS]

To All Regarding the Online Business System. Thank goodness I checked here before checking further into that program and wasting $40 bucks. I've received spam e-mails numerous times from my monster.com and careerbuilder.com resume' posting.
Thanks for the information.

[techcrafters]

Glad we helped clarify things for you a bit, SLS. I won't bash Herbalife itself as it is a legitimate company and they do have a very long history of success for a very large number of people, but I will tell you this - their compensation plan is somewhat challenging to work successfully and some of the teams, such as those that promote Online Business Systems, can be very aggressive. Been there, done that, found a much better business for me.

[MD-NY]

Thanks for all your research and imput on this. I was thinking about it. Today, Tanya Philips e-mailed me yet again (must have rec'd 20+) offering the "Descision Pack" for free just to pay $9.95 for S/H. Seem's desperate after reading all the useful comments that I read here. Thanks again, I am very glad I Googled the company and was led here.

[dan3]

They took $9.98 from me and then ask me for another $399 forinternational packages. They call me every day Email me so I can buy THE INTER PACKAGE.
ALL JUST TO SELL HERBS :D :D :D
DAN3

[bladesonthenet]

:) I would just like to say thank you for pointing out who is behind Online Business Systems.

They have been mailing me for weeks trying to get me to sign up by waving the proverbial carrot under my nose but not spilling the beans about what they are trying to sell me :mad:

Anyway now I know Herbalife is behind it all I shall give them a wide berth :cool:

[astralvoyager]

I saw the ad in the Capitalareahelpwanted.com (Albany, NY.) They want $78 fo rthe basic and $399 for the full package PLUS product!!

[KimberleyIntili]

Hi. I just registered with scam.com so that I could thank everyone who took the time to post regarding Online Business Systems. For the last eight years I have been a struggling single mother of five and a professional waitress. Recently I have been searching the internet for financial oppotunites to add to my income. After researching Online Business Systems a bit and reading through their website I found myself interested. Over the last several months I received numerous emails, (which were obviously generated and had no way of sending a reply), instructing me to send for the information package.

Today after reading yet another email and reaching for my credit card, a little voice inside my head suggested that I research it a bit further. That's when I came across this site. Had all of you not taken the time to do the savy research and post you're experiences, thoughts, opinions and ideas then I too would have been a victim of costly venture that I could not afford.

Thank you all for helping me to put that credit card back in my wallet and put my waitressing shoes back on. Waitressing may not be the childhood fantasy career choice of "what do you want to be when you grow up?" but it feed the kids and keeps a roof over our heads, and it doesn't cost me anything!

Again, all my thanks to everyone who helped me save my hard earned money instead of wasting it away on a product that is difficult to sell.
Kimberley Intili

[techcrafters]

Originally Posted by KimberleyIntili

Hi. I just registered with scam.com so that I could thank everyone who took the time to post regarding Online Business Systems. For the last eight years I have been a struggling single mother of five and a professional waitress. Recently I have been searching the internet for financial oppotunites to add to my income. After researching Online Business Systems a bit and reading through their website I found myself interested. Over the last several months I received numerous emails, (which were obviously generated and had no way of sending a reply), instructing me to send for the information package.

Today after reading yet another email and reaching for my credit card, a little voice inside my head suggested that I research it a bit further. That's when I came across this site. Had all of you not taken the time to do the savy research and post you're experiences, thoughts, opinions and ideas then I too would have been a victim of costly venture that I could not afford.

Thank you all for helping me to put that credit card back in my wallet and put my waitressing shoes back on. Waitressing may not be the childhood fantasy career choice of "what do you want to be when you grow up?" but it feed the kids and keeps a roof over our heads, and it doesn't cost me anything!

Again, all my thanks to everyone who helped me save my hard earned money instead of wasting it away on a product that is difficult to sell.
Kimberley Intili

Kim, if you're looking to learn how to recognize a good home business from a bad one, you may be interested in the free training call my group is doing this Saturday night - the call is called the Five Pillars of Success and we talk about what a company should have in place if it's going to be a good place to build your business. PM me or check my profile to get in touch and I'll be happy to send you the info for the call! Everyone else is welcome too!

-Mary

[Dork]

Originally Posted by MD-NY

Thanks for all your research and imput on this. I was thinking about it. Today, Tanya Philips e-mailed me yet again (must have rec'd 20+) offering the "Descision Pack" for free just to pay $9.95 for S/H. Seem's desperate after reading all the useful comments that I read here. Thanks again, I am very glad I Googled the company and was led here.

Well, you learned a lesson. Now didn't you?

[Scrub]

This is how desperate Online Business System is getting. My google alert resulted in this

Google Alert for: access to computer, internet knowledge no experience 2-3 hours

Computer Network Manager Jobs
Computer Network Manager Jobs A New Career - No Experience Required We Train FT/PT Earn up to ... Computer and
Internet Access. Ten Hours...sales nursing receptionist help desk manager ...

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This leads me to WHO ELSE.....CareerBuilder

Now folks....APPLY FOR THE JOB.....Online Business Systems


Incredible how DESPERATE THESE FOLKS ARE GETTING.

:) :) :)

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[Triple7]

They are Herbalife Reps. This is there online lead system.
Haywood DeJ

[cdriver]

The BIGGEST scam I have come across is the one run by Online Business Systems. I've had the unfortunate pleasure of working with one of the biggest scammers named Karen Winter who takes your money telling you that you will make all this money if you work hard and buy her call me leads which are essentially worthless. The people at Online Business System market their system on www.careerbuilder.com and www.monster.com among many areas and prey on people who are legitimately trying to start their business. Online Business Systems (OBS) has absolutely no ties to Herbalife although they like to think they do but all in all are nothing more than a marketing system designed to suck the money out of you like a vampire. They try to get you to buy their decision packages which are glossy, invaluable pieces of worthless paper showing you a guy in Cananda named Shawn Dahl wearing flip-flops with his wife out by the pool wearing biikini talking about how you can have all of this but never giving you information on the system or who it is with. Herbalife is a great company with a great product line and after speaking with Herbalife they have no idea who OBS is at all.
If you are stupid enought to go forward and fall for all the pathetic lines they feed you then they will try to have you purchase a business package for $399 which is a few products, a training ticket and their worthless, cheaply put together training manual which you will never use. Soon after you are recruited (or I prefer to say suckered) into the business you will have the distinct and unpleasant pleasure of receiving numerous worthless emails from Karen Winter who is only concerned with trying to recruit more and more people just so she can increase her own volume line. You never hear hardly anything regarding the sale of retail and yet this is what Herbalife promotes. Many times OBS is in violation of what Herbalife dictates as their rules and regualtions. No wonder Herbalife has nothing to do with OBS! Karen will also try to get you to purchase her wheel slot leads for $500 apiece. These are not guaranteed except to guarantee to drain your pocket. These are another example of her worthless leads. PLEASE if you know anyone who is thinking of getting into this tell them to work exclusively with Herbalife as OBS does not want you to know that you can do all of this without them. Herbalife is a great company and you can work from home using their methodology. Online Business Systems is one of the greatest scams and I recommend to everyone to avoid them like hepatitis!

[Adarro]

Greetings all.
I have done more than a bit of research on many MLM / Online facades but had not heard of OBS. I want to thank you for all your posts, as my sister was looking to join it but allowed me to research it before she did.
So OBS in all of its faces is a rip-off, but Herbalife, which I had heard of but not had any exposure to, is a legitimate operation. (I'm not much of a health nut)
However, she was not looking to 'get rich quick', but closer to the 'on the side' money as she just moved and is looking for supplementary income while she finds another job that pays what she had before.
I checked out the site, but didn't quite grasp how their affiliate program works.
Is herbalife like Avon / Tupperware with recruiting option?

[techcrafters]

Adarro, while Herbalife is a legitimate company, it is also a very difficult company to do well in, for a lot of reasons. She would need to get herself a merchant account in order to take orders and the company does not provide an online retail store for its distributors to use, so if she wants an online prescence, that will cost her money as well. The pay plan itself is similar to those others you mentioned, in that she will need to purchase products herself first in order to sell them to others. Many herbalife reps put a lot of pressure on newcomers to buy a large amount of product in the beginning in order to qualify for deeper discounts when purchasing and they can be quite forceful in their approach.

If she is serious about trying to make some money from home, she may want to check out the free training my mentoring group to help people learn how to tell the difference between worthwhile opportunities and ones that aren't so worthwhile. PM me and I'll tell you whatever else you want to know, both about the mentoring program and Herbalife, since I have firsthand experience with them and know how they operate.

-Peace,
Mary

[cowgirl looking for work]

I checked into this and ordered the $9.95 introduction pack. Should've saved my money. Anyway, they are a company selling Herbalife products. I spoke with someone regarding this because I was very interested to see what they had. To order the basic kit to sell only to friends and family would cost around $75. To order the basic kit plus have all the Internet support, marketing tools, coach, products for yourself, etc., would cost $399. All money up front of course. Well I'm broke so I knew I couldn't, but I'm glad I read some on this because I now I know not to pursue it any further.

[Adarro]

Originally Posted by techcrafters

Adarro, while Herbalife is a legitimate company, it is also a very difficult company to do well in, for a lot of reasons. She would need to get herself a merchant account in order to take orders and the company does not provide an online retail store for its distributors to use, so if she wants an online prescence, that will cost her money as well. The pay plan itself is similar to those others you mentioned, in that she will need to purchase products herself first in order to sell them to others. Many herbalife reps put a lot of pressure on newcomers to buy a large amount of product in the beginning in order to qualify for deeper discounts when purchasing and they can be quite forceful in their approach.

If she is serious about trying to make some money from home, she may want to check out the free training my mentoring group to help people learn how to tell the difference between worthwhile opportunities and ones that aren't so worthwhile. PM me and I'll tell you whatever else you want to know, both about the mentoring program and Herbalife, since I have firsthand experience with them and know how they operate.

-Peace,
Mary

Thank you for your helpful and curteous response. I will relay the information to her. She's almost painfully efficient, self-motivated and organized in professional matters (leaving me at the shallower end of the gene pool:)), but doesn't do well at all in the high pressure [read: bullying] 'dynamic' [read: we have no structure and less of a clue, but now it's your job to fix] 'independant franchised' [read: puppet-micromanagement where profits are given to the 'greater good' but accountability is 'yours' until you can bully enough other people to 'complete the cycle'] enviroments.

I'll PM you if she's amicable to it.

[OnMyToes]

Originally Posted by Scrub

Well is there someone out there that have purchased theonlinebusiness system starter kit or worked with them. Please share your experience. Good, Bad or UGLY. We at www.scam.com would like to know. The PUBLIC would like to know. Remember, references would be helpful.

Online Business Systems is HERBALIFE! I purchased the Decision Package, (glad it's returnable), got the call today and learned it was an MLM for Herbalife. FYI, VSM is also a marketing company for Herbalife.

Susan

[pottsy]

Okay, forgive the ramblings of a newbie, but here goes....I just spent the better part of 2 hours using Compaq online support to recover the URL of the web site I had visited that directed me to an ONLINE BUSINESS SYSTEMS site. I wanted to share it with others here. Why, you ask? Because it was broadcast on a commercial on cable television offering work from home ops. They spent a chunk of change to advertise on TV, don ya thin? Any-hoo, the site on the TV ad is www.40biz.com, and it is a free home business match up service. (It would be interesting to see if there is more than one home business they match me to--I have only filled out the profile once.) The results I got once I filled out the profile routed me directly to an OBS site, where I got sucked into testimonials, and reading page after page of how easy it is to make money at home, part-time, and congratulating me on actually reading as far as I had. Not having the means to sign up with a credit card on-line--which I probably would have been duped into doing, because even though they didn't tell me what the product was, and I was suspicious it was AMWAY, they made it sound sooooooooo EZ! I would have truly been disgusted with myself to have found it was either AMWAY, or what it is, which from what I have read here (extensively) is HERBALIFE. (I have seen the resurgence in the Atlanta area of cars with HERBALIFE advertising, having thought the product fell by the wayside long ago--I don't doubt it's good and that their OWN website is valid, but just found it unusual to see it popping up again after what seemed to be a 20 yr absence on the market). I suspect I'm going to have to beat them off with a pitchfork once being innundated with emails and oh-the-agony, the AG-O-NEEEEEEE, of phone calls (thank god I gave them the number to my business line, which I only pick up messages from--at least I hope that's what I gave them--drat if I listed my cell phone number!!)

So thank you SCAM.com for being a great resource (I actually linked here after googling MAILER PROFITS, INC., which is an altogether different scam I have yet to post a responseto, regarding that category, but intend to after I finish this post) to me and many others to bust the work-from-home, online, stuffing envelopes SCAMS that are out there, and are unfortunately, too numerous to count, it seems.

In closing, let me invite others to see if www.40biz.com results in their being led to OBS sites, or if they really find merit in that matching service. As well, let me specifically thank techcrafters/Mary and Scrub for great insight (Mary, I may one day join your band of merry participants in your free coaching session) and moderation of and on this site, and above all, a round of applause to addaro for the great vocabulary lesson--who knew dynamic and independent franchise could really mean something as utterly fantastical as that!

Regards,
Pottsy

[edlawton]

Ha ha!! Online Business Systems sent me emails for about a year wanting me to get that 39.95 decision package. After a while, it was down to 10 bucks. I never intended to get it because I found out right away it was for marketing Herbalife.
They just want to clean out everybody's wallet. Herbalife used to have a retail store right in my neighborhood years ago. The products themselves are ok.

[bledburn]

I don't even know how the hell Tanya Phillips got my email, but her auto-emailer has sent me over 30 emails. The new person is stephanie begley, and her auto-emailer has sent me at least a dozen. I am still confused about how they got me.

[soskidav]

I am dealing with them now.. They wont give me my money back!!! Debbie Spangol is her name. She wont return my calls and has never sent me a email so i cant email her back!! there is no contact info on the site. i want my 40.00 bucks which was promised it was refundable! :(

[ceuburningmanuscript]

I just recently "quit" my business with OBS. My fault, my husband and I didn't think about looking up this business for scams. I bought the decision package for 48.95. A couple days later I got a call from my coach "to learn more about the business". I didn't even know I was going to sell Herbalife until the third or fourth call! But anyways, with no questions asked I went ahead and purchased the business package for $399! After that was another call from my so-called upline. This call is usually the call pressuring you to buy your way into supervisor position which again is the so-called "best place for you to launch you business in". To tell y'all the truth my husband and I fought about this! Apparently I had been brainwashed so I argued with my husband that this was where we should begin..yada yada...But anyways I didn't buy my supervisor package. I decided that I was going to try it out for a month, see what happens you know and if anythng was to progress then I was going to invest my way in. I had only been in the business for a month before I quit. Why? Here's why. I had bought 3 wheel spins (those of you who have been in this business know what I'm talking about) for $1500.00 Yup your not seeing things. $1500.00! They said that this would atleast get you 12-13 leads in your back office, about 5-6 new distibutors and maybe 2-3 supervisors. With all the money that I had spent and all the people that I had called, you can take a wild guess of how many people I singed-up.....0! None! Nada! I had put all my faith in this business (and my money) and I didn't get anything back! It hurt, honestly. To just see all your hard earn money go into investing in this business and not getting anything back was a shot to our pride. All we got from this business was a $3000.00 debt on our credit card. When I had told one of my uplines that I was actaully moving off state (which is true) she freaked! Shes had question my husband and I's decision! She told me that I should think about what I was going to do! I needed a refund for my spins that I bought. The spins didnt even start yet and when I told her I didnt want her to charge my card she still took a couple hundreds fo all the leads that she had sent me! What really got me though was that she had questioned my family's decision. Thats when I realized that I needed to do some research on this business..and voila! Here I am. I left the business because I just didnt want to spend anymore money...and I didnt want to be on a team with someone who can't respect another team mates decision.