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Was overtly a piece of pro Israeli propaganda 3 75.00%
Was definitely slanted for Israel, and full of inaccuracies 0 0%
Was a reasonable and fair piece of footage about how a boycott of Israel would be absurd 1 25.00%
Was a demonstration of how Israel have made themselves so powerful that they are 'slavemasters' 0 0%
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:32 PM
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So you want to boycott Israel..?

Please take 8 mins of your time, watch this presentation, and tell me which of the following it leaves you with an impression of..?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wU221GA5-u8
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: So you want to boycott Israel..?

I voted for the first option.

It is laughingly like a promotional video for a time share home, in Spain, and the speed it is shot at, and the speed of the narrators voice make it painful to take in!

Anyway, whaddaya think....

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Old 07-29-2008, 05:55 PM
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Re: So you want to boycott Israel..?

Come on chaps, 'tis only 8 little mins!

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Re: So you want to boycott Israel..?

too many references to Jews instead of Israelis...
"israel investing in Green Technologies" hardly equates to a reason to boycott green techs...

BUT besides that, good stuff.

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:23 PM
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too many references to Jews instead of Israelis...
"israel investing in Green Technologies" hardly equates to a reason to boycott green techs...

BUT besides that, good stuff.
Did you find that the narrator, not to mention the images, were done in such a way(super speed) that it was almost hard to fully take in much of what was being said, other than a spun, positive, pro Israel piece of footage?
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:15 AM
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Re: So you want to boycott Israel..?

Two questions.

1) Who happens to beleive that a boycott of Israeli goods and services would be a better method of forcing them to take heed, than any violent or aggressive actions?

2) Which nations would need to engage in this boycott for it to be effective, and what specific goods and services, were they boycotted, hit Israel the hardest..?
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Re: So you want to boycott Israel..?

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Two questions.

1) Who happens to beleive that a boycott of Israeli goods and services would be a better method of forcing them to take heed, than any violent or aggressive actions?

2) Which nations would need to engage in this boycott for it to be effective, and what specific goods and services, were they boycotted, hit Israel the hardest..?

Maybe your questions should be:
1)Who happens to believe a boycott of Gaza and the West Bank would be a better method of stopping the violence and aggressive action?

2) Which nations would need to engage in this boycott for it to be effective, and what specific goods and services, were they boycotted, would hit the territories the hardest?

Perhaps for #2 some suggestions would be a boycott of weapons and munitions...

Let us say you boycott Israel. Hamas does not recognize Israel nor will negotiate with it. Do you think they will stop terrorizing and missiles? Right!

To address the conflict, BOTH sides must be addressed.
The only way to do this is with military intervention from the rest of the world, to force and enforce a peace agreement.
There will never be peace because it is in neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian leadership's interest.

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Old 07-31-2008, 05:40 AM
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There will never be peace because it is in neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian leadership interest.
Prolly true, Steve.

In which case, best that everyone else leaves well alone, lest we are caught in the crossfire.

Israel and Palestine are miles away from us, and with no inclination on either part to settle things without killing, we should just wash our hands of it, let them sort it out for themselves...or not.
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Prolly true, Steve.

In which case, best that everyone else leaves well alone, lest we are caught in the crossfire.

Israel and Palestine are miles away from us, and with no inclination on either part to settle things without killing, we should just wash our hands of it, let them sort it out for themselves...or not.
I dont know if you are kidding or not. I believe the world should step in now, and stop all the killing on both sides.
Can you imagine a Middle East at peace. If both sides were smart, the Palestinians could start rebuilding, establish trade, tourism, etc and guarantee a good life for their children. Both sides would benefit greatly.
What a waste the situation is now...
both sides are suffering needlessly.

And dont kid yourself...a war over their will effect the rest of he World.

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I dont know if you are kidding or not. I believe the world should step in now, and stop all the killing on both sides.
Can you imagine a Middle East at peace. If both sides were smart, the Palestinians could start rebuilding, establish trade, tourism, etc and guarantee a good life for their children. Both sides would benefit greatly.
What a waste the situation is now...
both sides are suffering needlessly.

And dont kid yourself...a war over their will effect the rest of he World.
No, wasn't kidding. The truth is that neither Israel, or the Muslim nations are much fussed with what happens in many nations, across the planet. Why not? Because these nations keep themselves to themselves, and are seen not to take sides. Important.

If it is to be worked out, then it must be done so by both parties, but they, and their people must have the will for it, else it will not last.

As we have seen so many times, you cannot usually go in and FORCE democracy or fairness on a nation, let alone several, all at once, as this would demand.

And since neither side is ever prepared to listen to the orders given by the UN (Israel are fond of this), then how precisely can 'the world' step in, what would this constitute, and what punative measures would be taken against any party (INC Israel), who failed to take part in the new dawn?
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:52 PM
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No, wasn't kidding. The truth is that neither Israel, or the Muslim nations are much fussed with what happens in many nations, across the planet. Why not? Because these nations keep themselves to themselves, and are seen not to take sides. Important.

If it is to be worked out, then it must be done so by both parties, but they, and their people must have the will for it, else it will not last.

As we have seen so many times, you cannot usually go in and FORCE democracy or fairness on a nation, let alone several, all at once, as this would demand.

And since neither side is ever prepared to listen to the orders given by the UN (Israel are fond of this), then how precisely can 'the world' step in, what would this constitute, and what punative measures would be taken against any party (INC Israel), who failed to take part in the new dawn?
You hit the nail on the head by saying: and their people must have the will.
I think the people do have the will. I think its the governments on both sides that dont. They both want to retain a power over their citizens, and use the dispute as an excuse.
It would be easy for the world to step in. They give both sides and ultimatum for a border. If the ultimatum is not met, the unified force would enforce a border with troops, fences and military hardware. You would need the US, Britain, Germany and Russia among the enforcers, as well as Arab countries. Once both governments realized nothing could be done, the violence would stop.

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Old 08-01-2008, 07:35 AM
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Yeah mate, I am sure that the majority of people, on both sides, are sick of the warring and the killing. 'Tis always those that cannot be got at that order the wars, those being the respective Governments.

If the US were part of any fair body that set out to enforce the type of measures that you set out, this would mean the White House potentially having to act against their ally, Israel.

Can you see that happening?

I'm not so optimistic about that, Steve.
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Yeah mate, I am sure that the majority of people, on both sides, are sick of the warring and the killing. 'Tis always those that cannot be got at that order the wars, those being the respective Governments.

If the US were part of any fair body that set out to enforce the type of measures that you set out, this would mean the White House potentially having to act against their ally, Israel.

Can you see that happening?

I'm not so optimistic about that, Steve.
Unfortunately, people must suffer for the acts of their government. I dont see anything happening quite honestly.
I used to see arguments on both sides...now I just see useless killing with no end in sight. I have really given up on the situation. It doesnt matter who is right and who is wrong, the important thing is peace now. There could be an incredible society built in the middle east if both sides could help each other instead of kill each other.

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There could be an incredible society built in the middle east if both sides could help each other instead of kill each other.
Yes.

There could.

And this applies to all nations, and to all things.

America could be a fine nation again, if it abandoned the policies we have seen under Bush, and set it's priorities out as being the pioneers of peace and social care, and scientific advancement.

Sadly, Steve, those with the will are rarely the one's in power.

How do we get to this stage....


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Yes.

There could.

And this applies to all nations, and to all things.

America could be a fine nation again, if it abandoned the policies we have seen under Bush, and set it's priorities out as being the pioneers of peace and social care, and scientific advancement.

Sadly, Steve, those with the will are rarely the one's in power.

How do we get to this stage....


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Its pretty bad...I dont know what the way out is. As you can see, the US congress approval rating is at 9%. It would take alot of honest brave people.
I will give you another example pertaining to the US:
Why should not every American have health care, when the insurance companies are making millions? Why are we spending billions on the Iraq war, when the poor could be fed?

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Its pretty bad...I dont know what the way out is. As you can see, the US congress approval rating is at 9%. It would take alot of honest brave people.
I will give you another example pertaining to the US:
Why should not every American have health care, when the insurance companies are making millions? Why are we spending billions on the Iraq war, when the poor could be fed
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Well, precisely Steve, precisely.

As I mentioned, a nation can be great, but not based on it's military might. A nation that defines itself by military might is no more worthy of respect that the street gang thug, who tries to create both an 'impression' and a fear among others, by virtue of the fact the he has the most knives, or the most powerful gun. That's not true respect he would have, I am sure you will agree with that analogy.

Here is another thing.

And it is specific to the last couple of lines of what you wrote here.

The easily fooled like to politicise these things, I do not doubt for a second that there are one or two on here who would deem you a 'socialist', even a 'communist', with suggestions such as that.

As I mentioned, some things transcend political labels.

Those that may label you a 'socialist' for suggesting such truths, they will, in their ignorant irony, consider themselves 'patriots' to their nation, whatever that nation is.

They are not patriots at all, Steve.

A true patriot would want a fair and just social system for everyone.

A true patriot would demand a good state healthcare system, so that the people of the nation they profess to love, could be well.

A true patriot would take pride in less divisions of wealth.

A true partiot would be appalled at people not having a place to call home, or that ordinary people are really struggling to maintain a modest place to live, in this economic climate.

That is what a real patriot would be.

A nation/country is only a piece of land.

It is brought to life by the people.

So, when someone is claiming to be a patriot, ask them those questions, see if they concur, and if they do not, then you can be fairly sure that they are not 'patriotic' at all, but that they hide behind the word, for their own agenda, be that greed, or whatever.
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Well, precisely Steve, precisely.

As I mentioned, a nation can be great, but not based on it's military might. A nation that defines itself by military might is no more worthy of respect that the street gang thug, who tries to create both an 'impression' and a fear among others, by virtue of the fact the he has the most knives, or the most powerful gun. That's not true respect he would have, I am sure you will agree with that analogy.

Here is another thing.

And it is specific to the last couple of lines of what you wrote here.

The easily fooled like to politicise these things, I do not doubt for a second that there are one or two on here who would deem you a 'socialist', even a 'communist', with suggestions such as that.

As I mentioned, some things transcend political labels.

Those that may label you a 'socialist' for suggesting such truths, they will, in their ignorant irony, consider themselves 'patriots' to their nation, whatever that nation is.

They are not patriots at all, Steve.

A true patriot would want a fair and just social system for everyone.

A true patriot would demand a good state healthcare system, so that the people of the nation they profess to love, could be well.

A true patriot would take pride in less divisions of wealth.

A true partiot would be appalled at people not having a place to call home, or that ordinary people are really struggling to maintain a modest place to live, in this economic climate.

That is what a real patriot would be.

A nation/country is only a piece of land.

It is brought to life by the people.

So, when someone is claiming to be a patriot, ask them those questions, see if they concur, and if they do not, then you can be fairly sure that they are not 'patriotic' at all, but that they hide behind the word, for their own agenda, be that greed, or whatever.
You must have gotten that from somewhere! Its too good.
But all true.

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You must have gotten that from somewhere! Its too good.
But all true.

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No mate, just from inside my head, having observed this stuff too much now.
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