1 On 40 - Seems Familiar (MTT)?

[OleBlighty]

Just received and email pointing me to a web site that forwarded me to www.1on40.com

1 on 40 says that it can get you tp the top of google (and 39 other search engines), for 5 keywords in 120 days - for FREE.

After that time you then bid to keep your placement.

I read the site and something stuck me as familiar.

You guys remember MTT (more than traffic)?

Well, the writing and design of the site has the "creators" of MTT stamped all over it.

Check out the tool to show you how you can be number 1. Now, remember the gadget MTT had to show how much search engine traffic you would get.

These were created by the same mind.

Another UK address - but this time a Russian IP address for hosting.

Some of you were good a getting the dirt last time around - so posted here to see if some enterprising soul wants to take a closer look.

Of course, I could be wrong and this could be a legitimate service...and I am an astronaut named Zippy!

Cheers.

[thamisgith]

MTT was my first thought when I saw this!

They claim to be part of the Submit Expresso Group, which doesn't exist as far as I can see.

They say you will get to number one on Google within 120 days. They give you a free one month trial, after which I presume you have to pay by bidding on keywords. So, in principle, they could be taking 90 days worth of fees from you before you realise that anything is wrong.

I'm not saying this is a scam - but there are a few red flags already.

[ALittleWiserNow]

Wow! MTT was my first inclination, too! It seems like the same old BS wrapped in a different package, but it still smells the same. We better steer clear of this one until the jury's out. If it is legitimate, I don't want to knock it. But it sounds way too fishy at this point. For now, I'll stick with good old fashioned SEO to get my sites ranked the safe way.

[RightNow]

Originally Posted by thamisgith

MTT was my first thought when I saw this!

They claim to be part of the Submit Expresso Group, which doesn't exist as far as I can see.

They say you will get to number one on Google within 120 days. They give you a free one month trial, after which I presume you have to pay by bidding on keywords. So, in principle, they could be taking 90 days worth of fees from you before you realise that anything is wrong.

I'm not saying this is a scam - but there are a few red flags already.

Seems as though you don't read web site content before you judge it which is utterly wrong.

The way I read this 1on40 site offer is they take no money from you until you are number one and then you bid on keeping your keywords to retain the 1st position. Call me stupid if I am wrong as there are no fees payable until you are number one! If I am stupid then so be it but I know I have read it right and so as others I have referred to the site.

As far as I am concerened you are wrong and you need to take your time reading with your spectacles on. Sorry if I sound obnoxious but I just hate people jumping the gun and just blundering around blindly.

[nomaxim]

The websites gives,

1on40.com
35 Brompton Road
Knightsbridge
London
SW3 1DE
(UK)

The WhoIs info gives,

domain: 1on40.com
owner-name: Submit Expresso
owner-address: SUBMITEXPRESS UK
owner-address: 111 Piccadilly
owner-address: M12HX
owner-address: Manchester
owner-address: United Kingdom

ICANN Registrar: GANDI SAS
Created: 2007-07-08
Expires: 2008-07-08
IP Address: 85.192.32.204
IP Location Russian Federation - Moskva - Moscow - Best Hosting Llc

Per RoyalMail.com, sorry, can't link directly to the results. You'll have to run the search yourself to confirm.

Knightsbridge Secretarial Services
35 Brompton Road
LONDON
SW3 1DE

Mail Boxes Etc
111 Piccadilly
MANCHESTER
M1 2HX

This appears to be a rented postal box.

It appears that no physical address is given, both seem to belong to other services. Also, the site is hosted in Moscow.

[thamisgith]

The way I read this 1on40 site offer is they take no money from you until you are number one and then you bid on keeping your keywords to retain the 1st position. Call me stupid if I am wrong as there are no fees payable until you are number one!

Sorry - I was wrong. When I rechecked this morning it states that the free trial period is available until the end of March. Maybe I do need my glasses as you say. :sunglasses:

Nevertheless, the signs are not good I'm afraid (see last post).

I had thought about signing up, or at least going through the process just to see how this runs. But now we have a bonafide member here maybe you can tell us:

1. Do you need to pass over your credit card details at the free trial stage or is this done only when you need to start bidding?
2. How long have you been using this and are you now at number one on Google?
3. Who are Submit Expresso? Is this an accidental typo for Submit Express?
4. How many others have your referred to this and have you received any commissions yet?

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your first post. I look forward to seeing more.

[RightNow]

Originally Posted by thamisgith

Sorry - I was wrong. When I rechecked this morning it states that the free trial period is available until the end of March. Maybe I do need my glasses as you say. :sunglasses:

Nevertheless, the signs are not good I'm afraid (see last post).

I had thought about signing up, or at least going through the process just to see how this runs. But now we have a bonafide member here maybe you can tell us:

1. Do you need to pass over your credit card details at the free trial stage or is this done only when you need to start bidding?
2. How long have you been using this and are you now at number one on Google?
3. Who are Submit Expresso? Is this an accidental typo for Submit Express?
4. How many others have your referred to this and have you received any commissions yet?

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your first post. I look forward to seeing more.

Hmmm... You mean you didn't even get to take a look to the point where they MAY HAVE asked you for this information before coming to scam.com and posting them as a scam? Like I said above that's what I hate about people like you!

The answer is there is no request for any information about CCard details etc, infact they recommend that when it comes to bidding you use Paypal as if they fail to keep you at the number one position you can claim your money back from Paypal.

I've been with them for 3 weeks and NO I am not at number one because if you'd read the site it takes 120 days.

Look at the commission structure and payouts yourself or do you need me to lead you through the business? Come on its as easy as they claim. I am furious with you!

I suggest you read a site's text before commenting or slamming them.

[thamisgith]

Hmmm... You mean you didn't even get to take a look to the point where they MAY HAVE asked you for this information before coming to scam.com and posting them as a scam?

Practice what you preach and put your glasses on chum!

I have not said they were a scam and I don't think I slammed them either - but there are, as noted by other posters here, some similarities with previously known scams.

I didn't ask you for a breakdown on the commission structure. I asked you, since you said that you've introduced others to ths, whether or not you'd been paid any commission yet. But since you've only been with them three weeks I wouldn't imagine that's likely.

It's nice to hear they accept Paypal - that's a promising sign (but MTT claimed to accept this as well in the beginning of course).

I'm still curious to know about Sumit Expresso Group. Why is there no listing on Google for a company that will get my website to number one on Google? Is it a typo for Submit Express (seems unlikely given the WhoIs info - thanks nomaxim)

Sorry to hear that you're furious - you must be very sensitive. You probably best avoid this board over the next few weeks. I doubt if I'll be the only one wanting to know a little more about these guys.

Once again, since you missed it the first time, I'm not saying this is a scam (put righteous anger on hold please) - but I really don't think there's any harm in asking a few questions before accepting that a new and seemingly unknown company with a drop box in London and a URL registered in Russia are legit. Do you?

[borisf96]

Originally Posted by thamisgith

but I really don't think there's any harm in asking a few questions before accepting that a new and seemingly unknown company with a drop box in London and a URL registered in Russia are legit. Do you?

These are enourmous red flags.

[zappacosta]

This smack reeks of MTT' s artistic albeit devilish touch.

If they don't want monies upfront this time,I'll bet top dollar they have schemed just a more elaborate scam on the back end this time and they are willing to hang around long enough to collect it.

If I'm wrong in the end,I'll be the first to pop in and eat some humble pie,"Right Now". But I have a strong feeling "Thamisgath" and "Boris" are absolutely correct and that you are simply naieve.If you get this easily infuriated and offended, you may want to change your handle to "milktoast".

If they (1on40) are so new,why do the testimonials have so much "established " track time. The claims are incredulous as they were with MTT and they go to the same outlandish detailed extent . I recall MTT had a 177 Q. FAQ section.I love the Russian IP coupled with a B.S. British address...prolly a bordello or a bakery? Anybody live out that way wanna check it out. I'll play the house and handle sidebets.

Even the person who turned me onto this in the last 24 hours is using fraudulent pretenses to lure me in.

Can't wait til the jury weighs in on this one.I'm sure 99% of us know the verdict already but I'll do my damndest to hold out for false optimization until the book is closed.

Cheers,

zappacosta

[SeoDude]

I got an email this morning from an affiliate of 1on40 to my business email see below

“I emailed you a few days ago but never got a reply.

I wanted to know if you would send me some details about
your business/es as I think I have found a perfect way to
market/promote & want as diverse selection of businesses as
possible to spread my profits to ensure I get paidout.

I'd have liked to join your business as it sounds
real exciting.

Send me your latest offer/s and where I can sign up, please.”

So I replied to it with this response

“Sorry Jenny can you please explain what business of mine you want to
join. also how did you get my email or from whom did you get it from , you have to forgive me for the blunt
questions but have no idea who you are !”

Less than 5 seconds later this comes back !

“Thank you for the email. I'm really desperate to find a few businesses as I've got an excellent way to market/promote & cannot afford to keep all my comms$ in one company/business (not keep all my eggs in one basket).

I've already got one business and got it to 'number one' (1st) result on Google & Yahoo 'without paying a cent' or sending 1 email & made '158,000US$' in the last few months only.

Send your existing web site/page to 'number one' on Google & Yahoo without cost or sending 1 email: (affiliate link ) it'll cost you '*zero/nothing*' to get >>>$158,000USD like I did”


Anyway I checked it out and I had to laugh my ass of f Why ! Because I have been an Seo for over five years there is no way in hell that you can achieve top rankings in such a short space of time.


Here is a few
1. New domains take up to a year or more to rank for competitive keywords , hence the form of long tail search ‘lower competition’ or you can invest in an aged domain.
2. Site structure and optimisation of content take a lot of time
3. Inbound links must be of quality ‘not blog rush’ links.

There are over 101 factors to Seo, my view is that 1on40 is rubbish, there is no search engine submitter in the world that can help you to get a number one spot . search engine submitters only help to notify search engines to index your site , after that indexing can take anywhere between 2 -3 weeks unless you get a link from high traffic aged site. So what happens next ? Fun and games ! your site gets subjected to ranking algorithms hence the need to higher an seo. So if the ability to get traffic was as easy as 1-2-3 then I would most likely be out of a job.

My word of advice Just like smoking say No!!:whip:

[thamisgith]

Return-Path:
Delivery-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:09:12 +0100
Received: from lindsey.asmallorange.com (lindsey.asmallorange.com [64.22.96.48])
by mx.kundenserver.de (node=mxeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis)
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(envelope-from )
id 1JDHeq-0000ZM-Bg

Expect a few more e-mails from "Jenny" SeoDude. Despite her $158,000 over the last few months the poor woman is desperate for JV partners it seems.

[Adam Weishaupt]

Originally Posted by RightNow

Hmmm... You mean you didn't even get to take a look to the point where they MAY HAVE asked you for this information before coming to scam.com and posting them as a scam? Like I said above that's what I hate about people like you!

The answer is there is no request for any information about CCard details etc, infact they recommend that when it comes to bidding you use Paypal as if they fail to keep you at the number one position you can claim your money back from Paypal.

I've been with them for 3 weeks and NO I am not at number one because if you'd read the site it takes 120 days.

Look at the commission structure and payouts yourself or do you need me to lead you through the business? Come on its as easy as they claim. I am furious with you!

I suggest you read a site's text before commenting or slamming them.

And may I suggest you do a bit of research about this site before you come here as such a pathetic, obvious shill.

[zappacosta]

Seodude..I got exact same letter from same Jenny.

[kimba]

Hi all,

I joined 1on40 a couple of days ago.
They have not asked me for any CC details. And in the blurb it says that you can use your credits, that you have earned from refferals to "pay" to keep your site at #1.

From that I understand that I may never have to give them any money, but if they dont get my site to #1 on Google, as they said they would, then I would not have a reason to pay them.

Payment is due 7 days after your site is at #1 position(for your keywords) If they get me there, im happy to pay , If they dont then they have no monetary details from me so they cant get any money they are not due.

So how can they scam you?

The only thing that I cant figure out is if 2 sites choose the same keyword, then how can both be in the #1 position on the S.E's?
Thats the part that seems a bit dodgy to me.

[SeoDude]

yep this Jenny is heading for trouble... did you know that spam in certain states of a USA can land you a nice first class trip to the slammer :wave:

Originally Posted by kimba

Hi all,

The only thing that I cant figure out is if 2 sites choose the same keyword, then how can both be in the #1 position on the S.E's?
Thats the part that seems a bit dodgy to me.

So to answer your question ? the only way 2 sites can be number one for a keyterm is by ranking on different search directories Eg: One on google the other on Yahoo.

Kimba Please do yourself a favour pull out of this 1on40 fly by night rubbish. I tell you what... anybody that wants sound advice please message me i will be more than happy to help you out for free!!, i dont like to see people get done over. the offer stands for anybody that has at least over 10 posts on this site. i will do up some meta tags for you and if needed a site audit thats worth a alot , all i ask in return is that you pay it forward" help someone else.

Regards
SeoDude die spam die

[lindaf76]

Guys,

I think the very first post on this thread was a scam and I felt obliged to join up and tell you so! First of all, oleblighty joined this forum in Jun 2005, yet his first post was Jan 2008 to tell you he was an astronaut called zippy if 1on40 wasnt a scam. YET if you click his link to 1on40 you are taken to his affiliate site (you will see the text 'site operated by sylvan noel').

Nothing sinister about that? Now go to google, search 1on40, see the only sponsored link to 1on40.

Who is the ad placed by? Do I really need to say it? Sylvan Noel! Seems odd to me that someone who thinks 1on40 is a scam would pay ppc costs to advertise it????

Now good luck to him on 1on40, I know I'm doing well out of it, but I do hate it when people do stuff like this. I'd much rather see an honest ad anyday!

My opinion on 1on40! Sounds outrageously good! Perhaps even too good to be true! But they do not ask for any money or your credit card details until they have fulfilled their promise and even then you don't have to go ahead. I can think of worse scams....

If you want to join and see what happens, here's my link and I'm honest about it....

http://www.1on40.com/5467316

[borisf96]

Originally Posted by lindaf76

If you want to join and see what happens, here's my link and I'm honest about it....

http://www.1on40.com/xxxxxxx

honest and stupid. Referral and affiliate links are not allowed here.

[lindaf76]

My apologies, It's a shame that the first post wasnt picked up on in the same way!

[OleBlighty]

Originally Posted by lindaf76

Guys,

I think the very first post on this thread was a scam..blah blah blah

What convoluted logic you used to post your own affiliate link (to something you already know is a scam).

I, like you, lindaf76, can think or worse scams.

One of which is knowingly propogating a known or highly probable scam.

lindaf76 you are an idiot.

I have nothing to do with 1 on 40. Wouldn't touch them with a very long barge pole as simple logic tells one that there is no need to send spam if one can get top position in Google etc.

Look guys, the scam is simple.

They WILL get SOME people to the top of google for a time by using the same methods they used to drive traffic to SOME customers in their MTT days.

100's and 100's of software generated, content rich sites and blogs will get SOME keywords to the top in 120 days.

Some people will PAY and they will REFER others, showing their results and soon there will be an "upfront" charge associated with the service.

People WILL pay these charges as they have seen REAL results.

The whole thing will collapse 120-240 days after the first charges are requested - and they will disappear with a boat load of cash.

MTT got front page listings in google doing this and so will these (same) guys for a few people ONLY and definately not for the "juicy", money making keywords.

This looks, in my opinion, to be scam so stay away.

Again, I could be wrong or, again, I could be an astronaut named Zippy.

Cheers.

OleBlighty (who reads a lot and posts only when having something of relevance to say).

[lindaf76]

Can you please explain then why your first post appears to be a cloaked link?

Sorry if I posted an affiliate link where I wasnt supposed to, a newbie making a simple mistake that's all. No reason to get called stupid. That's just plain rude. I wonder if that's how all new members are treated? A common- sense and polite way to respond to a mistake would be to just point it out and leave it at that.

I personally don't think 1on40 is a scam. Obviously that's my opinion but I think it's equally as valid as anyone elses on here. If I'm wrong, so be it - nothing ventured nothing gained. If I'm right well I'll be in the money won't I?

[OleBlighty]

Originally Posted by lindaf76

Can you please explain then why your first post appears to be a cloaked link?

Sorry if I posted an affiliate link where I wasnt supposed to, a newbie making a simple mistake that's all. No reason to get called stupid. That's just plain rude. I wonder if that's how all new members are treated? A common- sense and polite way to respond to a mistake would be to just point it out and leave it at that.

I personally don't think 1on40 is a scam. Obviously that's my opinion but I think it's equally as valid as anyone elses on here. If I'm wrong, so be it - nothing ventured nothing gained. If I'm right well I'll be in the money won't I?

If you right-click on the link and select properties you will clearly see it is not a cloaked link.

I would suggest that the affiliate ID you saw was based on a cookie residing on your computer.

"Nothing ventured nothing gained" is not really the attitude to have when asking either a) people to part with their hard earned cash (giving you a slice in the process) or b) getting people's hopes-up of future earnings when those earnings are (99% sure) a pipe dream.

There are lots of legitimate, proven methods for making money online as an affiliate and promoting quality products from established companies. Why promote something questionable? Just becuase it is free to promote doesn't mean that one should bypass one's due-diligence.

Just out of interest, why do you belive this could be legitimate?

Why are not the top internet marketers and SEO experts using 1on40's techniques to get top-spot and thereby completely eliminating pay-per-click costs etc.? (some do by using blog-farms and black-hat methods to get AdSense revenue).

With respect, just think about it for a minute without your "I'll be in the money" mind-set.

[lindaf76]

OK fair enough about your link, it was just a bit weird it going to an affiliate site that’s all and that’s why I jumped on my high horse as it were and initially posted my link. I have since tried to remove the offending link but can’t seem to edit my post so once again sorry for posting this.

Look, I don’t want to get into a big one on one argument and I’m sure other members don’t want to see it either. I’m just a normal stay at home mum who has seen an idea she likes and can’t just discard it as a scam because for one, I need the cash for my baby! Maybe it is a pipe dream and I DO respect your opinion BUT I will carry on with it until I know either way because at the end of the day neither of us REALLY knows if it’s a scam or not do we? Maybe I’m just getting my own hopes up – I am the optimistic type lol!

I’ll be the first to admit that should this be a paid opportunity I would probably be the first to think twice mainly cos I haven’t got any spare cash but in defence it is free at the moment, and whilst I agree with your sentiment about ‘just because it’s free etc’ there’s the other side of the coin saying ‘the best things in life are free’. Furthermore in my defence, with the exception of an entry into 2 of my blogs and my intial posting here, I’ve not actually written about 1on40 anywhere. I have gained affiliates and clients from banner advertising so these people are obviously reading into it the same way I have. I have not had any influence over whether people seeing a banner sign up or not. They have made their own decision based on the site.

Is it possible that the top SEO experts and Internet Marketers ARE using this service or on the other hand are boycotting it because they don’t like the implications it has for their income? After all how would you know? I refer back to my original posting (the one that caused so much outrage) where I mention the name Sylvan Noel. A quick Google search for him indicates that he is fairly well known in the industry or at the very least puts himself about a bit.

So rather than continue with a drawn out personal battle over this forum, I’ll just once again apologise for posting my link (at least I’ve learned something about etiquette for other boards!).

I will post again when I know more, hopefully when I see some cash in the bank! Unless of course, they go bust and you beat me to it!

Take Care x

[SeoDude]

Originally Posted by lindaf76

Is it possible that the top SEO experts and Internet Marketers ARE using this service or on the other hand are boycotting it because they don’t like the implications it has for their income? After all how would you know? I refer back to my original posting (the one that caused so much outrage) where I mention the name Sylvan Noel. A quick Google search for him indicates that he is fairly well known in the industry or at the very least puts himself about a bit.

Linda I'm sorry to say if any Seo was stupid enough to use 1on40 for promotion of clients websites there would be in serious problems.Take it from me this tool is of no use, start off with a basic seo campaign.

[1on40]

Originally Posted by SeoDude

Linda I'm sorry to say if any Seo was stupid enough to use 1on40 for promotion of clients websites there would be in serious problems.Take it from me this tool is of no use, start off with a basic seo campaign.

We tried to post this answer/competition/quest to your wordpress account however you or they filtered it because its too in your face. We are an in your face company ufortunately only interested in PROFIT and SUCCESS for our members therefore we thought it best to post here too to ensure your reputation is diminished!


1on40.com 1on40.net Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
February 4, 2008 at 8:17 pm
My goodness me. Anyone will try and live off the back of a real successful company.You are an SEO! dude… SEO’s are a breed unto themselves. You call us a scam without even knowing ONE thing about what we do. SEO’s are the biggest scam out and perhaps, that’s right PERHAPS you are one.
You latch on to our good name and attempt to raise your name and business using our good name to generate enquiries to your business. Did you know that is quite illegal in the UK?
You way of doing business is ‘white hat’ and you have ZERO idea what can be done with the approval of Google because you are too busy attempting to usurp the good name of a company that’s really doing well! And believe me we are!
We do not charge a cent/penny until clients see their web site/URL at NUMBER ONE position on Google and Yahoo PLUS 100’s of other search engines.
We take ‘nor ask for any PayPal or bank or credit card details during sign up or at ay time thereafter.
You have judged us prematurely… And you will pay…. Your obscure name will be oblivion. WHY? HOW?
We challenge you to a duel, that’s how!
We will give you a URL from the Web that has nothing to do with your personal gain and you MUST get it to the highest level as possible using your knowledge. 1on40 will take 100 clients from their client list and up them to NUMBER ONE position and publish their URLS here in 90 days.
Let us see who is the winner! You have ONE we have 100. Who do you reckon will win SEODUDE…????
Fairgame your reputation is on the line. Our reputation is on the line… We will win and that’s that! Your reputation is history. You are a dinosaur. try moving with the times and keep up with what’s what.
You are going to lose.
If you wnat to verify this post on SEODUDES ‘marketing’ thread/blog/whatever then email contact@1on40.com thats all it takes.
We’ve thrown down the gauntlet SEODUDE! Pick it up and run with it… we will take it nice and easy and wipe you out.
OK accept the competition SEODUDE right here DUDE and we begin!
Our clients are happy you are a real sad person to try and usurp/take our search traffic.What a cheek let’s go!
1on40.com
Let’s do it DUDE, SEO DUDE. SEODUDE, SEODUDE.WORDPRESS.COM/2008/01/15/1ON400, SEO, FREE SEO, SEO BLOG, SEO SCAM, SEO WORDPRESS,

[global cell phone]

cool,its fun to watch a SEO duel... success2all lucky luke

[SeoDude]

Sorry for putting the filter on it just stops spamming on my blog which your affiliates are quite familiar with. so you can see your rant on my blog as its there for all to see and my reply is there also .

[1on40]

/01/15/1ON400, SEO, FREE SEO, SEO BLOG, SEO SCAM, SEO WORDPRESS,

seodude Says:
February 5, 2008 at 1:48 am So let me get this straight you will give me one of your urls and then use 100 of your clients websites to obtain the top spot . yeah sounds really good except your terms seem kinda one sided. will the url be .com,.org ect,will all domain names be brand new,will i have full access to working with the content. i am looking at it from a practical side so get back to me on that. FYI your affiliates are spamming peoples mailbox’x with no way to opt out just some auto response Crap! is that legal? so i have a right to my views and take pride in my job i will accept your so called duel on the basis thats its done properly. Just to clear the air i am not riding off the back on anyones success this blog is free and i have not charged anyone for a review of their site. if i win what happens? are you gonna challange other seo’s to a dual too?’

seodude Says:
February 5, 2008 at 2:56 am hey Jaye heard alot about TBS you got some major fish didnt you land iriscrystal solutions. anyway kudos to you and your boys

s0ftw4re888 Says:
February 5, 2008 at 9:03 am SeoDUD, the challenge is out and yes we will not only challenge the other Big fish catxhers that you Kiss A of as Jaye from TBS! We challenge TBS too we will give you one URL no matter what it is new old whatever seeing as you are sooooooooooo good and sooooooooooo confident and we will submit 100 urls (unconnected and unlinked) brand new domain names and wipe the floor with both your names and hey KUDOS too. Kudos is expensive, matter of fact we have many big fish on our books, maybe time for usto hunt in your ponds just like you try in ours. The duel is called up to you if you got what it takes to put your name on the line and lose becasue that’s what will ulimately happen you can be assured. Competition open to any other SEO wanabee or established SEO that thinks they’re up to making a fool of themselves.
1on40.com
Voicing an opinion backed by experience… Look forward to hearing from you.

s0ftw4re888 Says:
February 5, 2008 at 9:08 am Ooops by the way I do see this blog is FREE, blogs usually are aren’t they? However, the whole point of a blog is to capture an active participating audience and then convert them. Good luck converting or reaining your name after you’ve lost.
And just so we understand we have 100 urls to get to #1 you’ve only got 1 and that seems one sided? Hmm don’t really think so unless somewhere along the line 100 is less than 1 and we missed it!

[1on40]

So that's one URL for you to get to the top of Google, Yahoo and the other 38 top search engines for 5 keywords total.

We, 1on40.com have to do 100 to the top 40 search engines for 5 keywords.

All new URLS in our client base and they will be a mix of industries (to include at least 1 in the same industry as the 1 we give you to attempt to get to #1) and unlinked to.

Yours could be any industry we choose.

Any other super SEO's up for the same challenge to destroy your name and ever so expensive KUDOS?

Let us know...

We're happy just like our clients are you?

Before anyone wants to challenge our authenticity try our SEO challenge in the future... Thanks for your true understanding

[1on40]

Originally Posted by SeoDude

Sorry for putting the filter on it just stops spamming on my blog which your affiliates are quite familiar with. so you can see your rant on my blog as its there for all to see and my reply is there also .

seodude Says:
February 5, 2008 at 1:30 pm
yes this blog is free just like my advice , if your so good at what you do how come your site is not in the top ten for seo services . listen pal grow up and stop being such a child if you have so many clients then you have noting to worrie about ,as you can see by most of the comments people can make their own decisions if your the real deal or not .

s0ftw4re888 Says:
February 5, 2008 at 2:17 pm Reversing SEODUD? The challenge is for the taking, make a fool out of us or we’ll make it out of you. We always take up a challenge and you challenged our authenticity. Are you going to rise and stop being so prissy and prove you can SEO better than 1on40.com can?
Since you started the childish hurling accusations we will not stop until;
A: You apoligise
B: Take us up on the challenge - even though YOU will fail 100%
We have no issues apart from the likes of you dishing out your unfounded opinion and casting it to make a name for yourself in the long term! And that is what you are doing whether you deny it or not.
Get real you might even find legal challenges to your actions you never know SEODUD…
Simple matter of physics… Push and you’ll cause friction. You pushed now take the challenge and then get on with what you are supposed to do best, i.e. SEO’ing. You are going to lose out from here on in, did you think you were going to get such an easy ride, riding off the back of our name on the search engines like a leach. Give it a break.
To answer why we are not at top of the search engines for the lost common keys is simple to answer - to allow our affiliates to take business and make money from being there. A lot of the companies you do see are actually using our service, believe it or not… And just maybe you are too.
To clarify;
John Says:
February 5, 2008 at 11:52 am
O.K,
I’m not a guru but I have been around a while and I have to admit this sounds like one of those “too good to be true” scenarios. However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and i’ll reserve judgement for now.
I’ll give these guys a try with some reasonably competetive keywords (but sensible) and we’ll see what happens.
The site I have in mind has no Adsense and i’m not too worried if it gets de-indexed so there is nothing to lose.
If they fulfill their bold claims then I will more than happily pay for their services. If not then I will be honest with the results.
———————————————
We do nothing to damage your results thats why we get you to the 1st result. We do nothing against the TOS of any search engine and in fact are approved by Google and Yahoo which it states quite clearly on the 1on40.com web site.
Lost? The technical side of the service is our responsibility you just submit your site’s URL and we do the rest. We do not breach TOS of any search engine and have had our service looked at by the top 40 search engines without an issue.
People who claim that what we do is untrustworthy don’t have any insight and are just plain envious that we can do something they cannot.
We will not be posting any more on drifter’s blogs or web sites in response to this or any other issue created by people who have and enjoy gossiping when they could be working for a revenue.
SEODUD you know our email address when you want to pick up on the challenge, the ball is in your court, we aren’t going to beg you.

[10make90]

I just joined this forum because of this chat link. Since I have been in the online marketing industry and have people work with me on all levels of marketing we got a little curious about the whole 1on40 concept.

So we tried signing up a couple of websites that we own and operate, just to see what would happen.

I will admit that if you go there looking for a scam, that is probably what you are going to see. After reading through the entire site and seeing what they offered, we thought it would be worth seeing if it works.

I may be the dummy here, but just because a site is hosted in Russia does not make it a scam. I know quite a few companies in eastern europe that make it mandatory for their clients to host with them for $10 a month. Because to them $10 is quite a bit, while for us it is a small price to pay for the programmers you get access to.

Look forward to seeing this thread grow, sure that there will be quite a bit said. I will gladly come back and post what kind of results we got with 1on40.

[1on40]

As appears on SEODUDES blog:

Thank you from 1on40, however just so it’s plain we paste your apology which can be found at the top link of this page named ‘apology to 1on40′ here:

»apology to 1on40
As you know i wrote a review on 1on40.com that got a good response. My intention was not to sabotage or attack them i was expressing my views on the knowledge i have learned and used over the years. A part of my job is to educate and help people better understand what we do and how to go about it yourself. So yes i prematurely judged them on the basis of their Bold claim of obtaining a client the top spot for any 5 keywords in a space of 120 days for free. If 1on40 are the next generation Seo’s then i take my white hat off to them as nearly all of us will be out of work in no time. I have no reason to have to prove myself in any way as those of you who know me , know the long term results you have obtained from my free work. What i will say is that 1on40 you are an aggressive company and could have approached me on a better level, I do apologize to you 1on40 if you felt i was trying to de-serp or take your traffic as that was not my intention either. I will continue to educate and help those who have no fundamental understanding of seo and you continue doing what you do and we shall not cross paths again . One request that i have is that 1on40 address their affiliates for their own sake and ask them to provide an opt out link as currently they don’t.
Seodude
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As a sign of goodwill we will ofcourse review actions of our affiliates, please send any complaint or email to contact@1on40.com.

[moonchild29]

I have no idea whether this is a scam or not, and frankly I have not seen one thing on this forum which gives me evidence that it either is or is not.

Pardon me if I do not understand the meaning of SCAM, but it seems to me that the scammer has to have something to gain. When they charge you nothing, do not ask for any financial or personal information beyond what part of the world you live in, your email address and information about your website, then I just do not see how this can be a scam.

It may be a waste of time, although their form would take barely 5 minutes to fill out, and it is a set and forget system, but cannot be a scam until they ask for money or financial information.

Until someone has some concrete information to offer, you are wasting more of my time than 1on40 did.

[katiescorner]

Originally Posted by moonchild29

Pardon me if I do not understand the meaning of SCAM, but it seems to me that the scammer has to have something to gain. When they charge you nothing, do not ask for any financial or personal information beyond what part of the world you live in, your email address and information about your website, then I just do not see how this can be a scam.

I have not tried it and I won't.. but think about it for just a moment.. search engines look at your content and keywords and backlinks and a few other things in order to decide where to rank you in searches for specific keywords.. simple enough to understand.

So this site says they don't change any of my code. this means.. if I have done a crappy job of SEO on my own.. there is NO possible way to get me ranked number one on google (unless of course they are paying for the number one sponsored link) but lets assume they aren't paying to get me in that position.

So I sign up and at the same time pcwork signs up and we BOTH want to be in the number one position for the keywords "work at home"... now tell me HOW can they guarantee to put us both in that spot for those keywords, especially without changing anything on our websites?

PLUS... it's a little known fact that you don't want your website to be in the number one spot... That isn't the spot that gets the most hits.. ;)

[lindaf76]

Well I for one, am really pleased that 1on40 took the time to add their own opinions (and challenges) to this board. I felt a bit ostracised as a newcomer going up against established members simply for having my own opinion! It's nice to see that 1on40 track such forums and are willing to put their money where their mouth is so to speak and support their affiliates.

[RegDCP]

Originally Posted by lindaf76

Well I for one, am really pleased that 1on40 took the time to add their own opinions (and challenges) to this board. I felt a bit ostracised as a newcomer going up against established members simply for having my own opinion! It's nice to see that 1on40 track such forums and are willing to put their money where their mouth is so to speak and support their affiliates.

I just joined this forum to add my $0.02 after reading this thread.

Linda,
BEFORE you promote something you should do your due diligence to see if the product is as represented and if it has worked for YOU.
(You have signed up for them to promote one of your domains, haven't you? How is that doing for you? )

1on40 states:

We do nothing against the TOS of any search engine and in fact are approved by Google and Yahoo which it states quite clearly on the 1on40.com web site.

To this I can only reply "I would LOVE to see the approval from GOOGLE!"

This IMO would be a first as Google has stated many times that they do ont endorse or approve any sort of programs especially one that looks like it fools their ranking algos, which it must if the client's site source code is not accessed.

In my 12 years of doing SEO I have never seen a submission program that works, unless it is doing something like building thousands of links or cloaking.

He also goes on to say:

The technical side of the service is our responsibility

and herein lies the rub.

It is entirely possible to script cloaked pages to get top listings.
However, sites that use this process will be banned from Google if they are caught, and most are.

Back in the 'wild west' days of SEO I used to do the same thing before the search engines wised up and outlawed their use.
At that time I used to charge for my SEO work by position. $75 for a #1 listing, $50 for a # 2 to 10, and $35 for an 11 to 20.(Across 12 search engines).

My cloaking script sent the search engines to a keyword laden page and sent the real visitors to the actual site.

SEO is NOT about 'beating' the search algorithms but building sites that are user and search engine friendly, using search terms to the client's best advantage on the pages.

Furthermore, the use of a Russian host by a British company is quite suspect, as Russian hosts have quite the reputation for supporting dubious enterprises.

To 1 on 40
Proof of the system is in the results, not a challenge.
Post some of your top listings and let us contact your clients to see if they are happy.

Reg

[1on40]

Originally Posted by RegDCP

I just joined this forum to add my $0.02 after reading this thread.

Linda,
BEFORE you promote something you should do your due diligence to see if the product is as represented and if it has worked for YOU.
(You have signed up for them to promote one of your domains, haven't you? How is that doing for you? )

1on40 states:


To this I can only reply "I would LOVE to see the approval from GOOGLE!"

This IMO would be a first as Google has stated many times that they do ont endorse or approve any sort of programs especially one that looks like it fools their ranking algos, which it must if the client's site source code is not accessed.

In my 12 years of doing SEO I have never seen a submission program that works, unless it is doing something like building thousands of links or cloaking.




>>>>>>SUGGESTION<<<<<<
Read our web site we do not cloak and we do not cheat, what we do is different to what you old guys in the dinosaur years used to do. Everything cycles! Yes even SEO services cycle, never stays the same less we would be like you... disbelieveing because your vision is narrow and not wide or exciting.

Take us up on the challenge which we set! Don't try and reset the rules. We have challenged others and they've run for the hills. Where are you going to hide?<<<<<<





He also goes on to say:
and herein lies the rub.

It is entirely possible to script cloaked pages to get top listings.
However, sites that use this process will be banned from Google if they are caught, and most are.

Back in the 'wild west' days of SEO I used to do the same thing before the search engines wised up and outlawed their use.



>>>>>CLOAKING IS NOT WHAT WE DO AS YOU WOULD NEVER GET TO #1 CLOAKING YOUD YOU!?!?!?<<<<<


At that time I used to charge for my SEO work by position. $75 for a #1 listing, $50 for a # 2 to 10, and $35 for an 11 to 20.(Across 12 search engines).

My cloaking script sent the search engines to a keyword laden page and sent the real visitors to the actual site.

SEO is NOT about 'beating' the search algorithms but building sites that are user and search engine friendly, using search terms to the client's best advantage on the pages.



>>>>>>>HMMMM NOT ANY LONGER DO YOUR HOMEWORK, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS OF SEO'ING NOW NOT ONLY PREHISTORIC WAYS, TRY THE CHALLENGE....<<<<<<<<<<







Furthermore, the use of a Russian host by a British company is quite suspect, as Russian hosts have quite the reputation for supporting dubious enterprises.



>>>>>>HMMM IF YOU CHECK WE DO NOT USE A RUSSIAN HOST, BUT HAO, YOU MUST BE TO BUSY TO CHECK THAT!!!! TOO BUSY PRISSY TALKING AND SPENDING YOUR TIME TYING TO DISPROVE A SERVICE YOU HAVE N IDEA ABOUT AT ALL WHEN YOU COULD BE OUT THERE DOING A DAYS WORK EARNING MONEY.... THAT'S PLAIN DAFT!<<<<<<<



To 1 on 40
Proof of the system is in the results, not a challenge.


>>>>>>THEY ARE INDEED AND CLIENTS GET RESULTS NOT PEOPLE WITHOUT ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THAN SIT ON A FORUM AND NAG AND WHINGE AND TRY AND MAKE FRIENDS AS THEY'RE REAL LONELY, TAKE THE CHALLENGE UP YOU SEO DINOSAUR!!!, GO ON DO IT, CHALLENGE US AND GO BACK TO THE HISTORY BOOKS<<<<<


Post some of your top listings and let us contact your clients to see if they are happy.

Reg

YOU KNOW OUR EMAIL ADDRESS Tyrannosaurus reg

Get the joke REG>?

explained:

Tyrannosaurus rex = dinosaur &
Tyrannosaurus reg = dinosaur SEO!! AH well we thought it was funny... What about you REX oops reg?

Challenge us and get made a fool of or make a fool of us!!!

1on40
We actually do send you to #1

ps check the text in the >>>>>>text<<<< in the above answers to the SEO dino's post!

[nomaxim]

See Post #6, made on 6JAN2008

domain: 1on40.com
owner-name: Submit Expresso
owner-address: SUBMITEXPRESS UK
owner-address: 111 Piccadilly
owner-address: M12HX
owner-address: Manchester
owner-address: United Kingdom

ICANN Registrar: GANDI SAS
Created: 2007-07-08
Expires: 2008-07-08
IP Address: 85.192.32.204
IP Location Russian Federation - Moskva - Moscow - Best Hosting Llc

That info has since changed, WhoIs info now shows,

domain: 1on40.com
owner-name: Submit Expresso
owner-address: SUBMITEXPRESSO
owner-address: 35 Brompton Road
owner-address: Knightsbridge
owner-address: SW3 1DE
owner-address: LONDON
owner-address: United Kingdom

ICANN Registrar: GANDI SAS
Created: 2007-07-08
Expires: 2008-07-08
IP Address: 65.254.250.109
IP Location United States - Massachusetts - Burlington - Endurance International Group Inc

admin-c: SH1458-GANDI
tech-c: SH1458-GANDI
bill-c: SH1458-GANDI
nserver: NS1.POWWEB.COM 65.254.254.135
nserver: NS2.POWWEB.COM 65.254.254.134
reg_created: 2007-07-08 17:12:17
expires: 2008-07-08 17:12:17
created: 2007-07-08 19:12:07
changed: 2007-07-08 19:12:07

person: Steve Hopkins
nic-hdl: SH1458-GANDI
address: Submit Expresso
address: SUBMITEXPRESSO
address: 35 Brompton Road
address: Knightsbridge
address: SW3 1DE
address: LONDON
address: United Kingdom
phone: +44.8707203039

lastupdated: 2008-01-08 12:43:21

DomainTools.com also shows,

Registrant Search: "Submit Expresso" owns about 1 other domains
Email Search: is associated with about 2 domains
NS History: 3 changes on 4 unique name servers over 1 year.
IP History: 4 changes on 4 unique name servers over 1 years.
Whois History: 22 records have been archived since 2008-01-03.
Reverse IP: 9,954 other sites hosted on this server.

This shows a number of hosting changes since 1on40.com went online. And yes, members of domaintools with a paid membership can see the dates of past IP and host changes. Also, what the previous IP's and hosts were. Most people don't want to pay a couple hundred a year to do that. That is why I am kind enough to quote all my look-ups.

Originally Posted by 1on40

>>>>>>HMMM IF YOU CHECK WE DO NOT USE A RUSSIAN HOST, BUT HAO, YOU MUST BE TO BUSY TO CHECK THAT!!!! TOO BUSY PRISSY TALKING AND SPENDING YOUR TIME TYING TO DISPROVE A SERVICE YOU HAVE N IDEA ABOUT AT ALL WHEN YOU COULD BE OUT THERE DOING A DAYS WORK EARNING MONEY.... THAT'S PLAIN DAFT!<<<<<<<

I also could not help but notice the similarities between the names "Submit Expresso" and Submit Express. Submit Express is a SEO out of CA. that has been in operation since 1998 and here is their BBB report.

[RegDCP]

Originally Posted by 1on40

YOU KNOW OUR EMAIL ADDRESS Tyrannosaurus reg

Get the joke REG>?

explained:

Tyrannosaurus rex = dinosaur &
Tyrannosaurus reg = dinosaur SEO!! AH well we thought it was funny... What about you REX oops reg?

Challenge us and get made a fool of or make a fool of us!!!

1on40
We actually do send you to #1

ps check the text in the >>>>>>text<<<< in the above answers to the SEO dino's post!

This is the funniest thing I have seen in years.
Apparently replying in big red text makes you important and truthful, as does name calling.

The thing is that while you can scream and shout all you like you still have not proven anything.
All your posturing proves is that you can yell.

For a company that states emphatically that they can get you in the #1 position on Google their track record is for their own site is horrid.
Lets take a look, (from their own source code) at their keywords.

1on40
Why is this even in your keywords?

Since it is the domain name, of course it is going to rank #1
free
LOL not in the top 100
seo

Not in the top 100

submitter

Not in the top 100
top google
Not in the top 100

top yahoo
Not in the top 100

submission service
Not in the top 100



top search engine result
Not in the top 100



guaranteed

Not in the top 100

number one google
Not in the top 100


first result yahoo
WOAH!!! a hit.. #76
earn cash

Not in the top 100

affiliate
Not in the top 100



sales traffic
Not in the top 100



easy

Not in the top 100

fast

Not in the top 100

keyword

Not in the top 100

best

Not in the top 100


lol

Even when searching for "Free revolutionary submission service" which is ultra long tail the 1on40.com site does not show in the top 100 results.

>>>>>CLOAKING IS NOT WHAT WE DO AS YOU WOULD NEVER GET TO #1 CLOAKING YOUD YOU!?!?!?<<<<<

err yes you could.
BMW did it, and was banned.

>>>>>>>HMMMM NOT ANY LONGER DO
YOUR HOMEWORK, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS OF SEO'ING NOW NOT ONLY
PREHISTORIC WAYS, TRY THE
CHALLENGE....<<<<<<<<<<

I don't need to try it.
Just looking at your list of "testimonials" tells me it is scam.
Real testimonials include contact information.


Reg
A dinosaur and proud of it.
I survived, you will not.

[wscott]

Steve Hopkins,
I suggest you tone down your insults. Reg is quite skilled at what he does. Why do you need to be insulting? You may be insulting the wrong person. I will say one thing in your favor, you are hosting at an Endurance Group Company. They are a great company.

[1on40]

Originally Posted by RegDCP

This is the funniest thing I have seen in years.
Apparently replying in big red text makes you important and truthful, as does name calling.

The thing is that while you can scream and shout all you like you still have not proven anything.
All your posturing proves is that you can yell.

For a company that states emphatically that they can get you in the #1 position on Google their track record is for their own site is horrid.
Lets take a look, (from their own source code) at their keywords.

1on40
Why is this even in your keywords?

Since it is the domain name, of course it is going to rank #1


free
LOL not in the top 100
seo

Not in the top 100



submitter

Not in the top 100


top google
Not in the top 100

top yahoo
Not in the top 100

submission service
Not in the top 100





top search engine result
Not in the top 100





guaranteed

Not in the top 100



number one google
Not in the top 100




first result yahoo
WOAH!!! a hit.. #76
earn cash

Not in the top 100



affiliate
Not in the top 100





sales traffic
Not in the top 100





easy

Not in the top 100



fast

Not in the top 100



keyword

Not in the top 100



best

Not in the top 100




lol



Even when searching for "Free revolutionary submission service" which is ultra long tail the 1on40.com site does not show in the top 100 results.

err yes you could.
BMW did it, and was banned.



I don't need to try it.
Just looking at your list of "testimonials" tells me it is scam.
Real testimonials include contact information.




Reg
A dinosaur and proud of it.
I survived, you will not.

REG: You still have not taken us up on the challenge AND you failed to read posts above regarding exactly why we do not rank ourselves top. If you spent a little time working things out and reading it would save you valuable time that you could have spent working making money instead of posting.

Look for the answer and you shall find REG.

The answer is above - We do not rank or send our site to the #1 Google or Yahoo etc., as we allow our affiliates to submit their own businesses to get top rank, not us.

Hundreds and hundreds of sites showing at #1 position are our affiliates for those keywords that are quickly typed out for fun by you above.

Take us up on the challenge SEO!

You have no chance of winning but you will find it fun trying!

You know our email address REG!

We will not waste our time posting here again for your pleasure REG as you seem to be not only a half wit but a pain in the rear too.

Challenge is there for not so clever people?SEO's too so you are ok REG.

You know our email addres, the challenge awaits you to make an arse of your self!

[RegDCP]

We will not waste our time posting here again

Well great, you are not going to post here again. Thank the Lord for small mercies.

you failed to read posts above regarding exactly why we do not rank ourselves top.

I read your EXCUSES.. Even the construction of your keyword tag shows an amazing lack of understanding of the skill.

Hundreds and hundreds of sites showing at #1 position are our affiliates for those keywords

I believe you Steve. Thousands wouldnt, but I do.

I just love your "testimonials" too.
Talk about stretching the imagination.
Let's just look at one.

An affiliate of a certain affiliate scheme submitted their affiliate URL and gained 24,809 sign ups and over 300,000 sales in one month alone netting him over $4 Million USD.

If this were true, you would not be trying so hard to push this hilarious scam, you would be signing up for every affilate program you could find.

As for your "challenge", why should I be bothered when you could simply ask us for sites we have top rankings for, and you could show us the same.

Reg

[1on40]

From your reply I can see you know nothing about SEO'ing and use your expertise in the use of the english language to manipulate anything anyone says to shine bad light on them... You have nothing better to do! You are a jealous, envious NO HOPE person less you wouldn't be bating your breath to return here to demonstrate how silly you are.

You like making jokes out of us. You like slamming our service. You like calling us a scam. You like degrading our service and brand BUT you don't like our genorous offer of a competition where you could in fact make a fool out of us and prove we are a sham.

Take the challenge don't keep skirting around it! Take it or just shut up for goodness sake.

Either way you are not going to win!

Make a fool out of us by taking up the challenge we deserve being made a fool of.

We are waiting by our email inbox now for your acceptance which we will paste here. Love it! Send us the acceptance or just shut up!

Message to our competition:
New ways revolutionise old ways, get used to it or go extinct... How much business are you losing? We have loads thanks... Become an affiliate and earn from your clients now better than before... Don't like us? Shut up and stay away from us. Don't trust us? Take up our challenge and make a fool of yourself.

Please REG take us up on the challenge or shut up.

If you can't shut up and don't take us up on the challenge it shows that you have nothing better to do than make false accusations because you are jealous.

If you are a real SEO then take us up... We look forward to your email acceptance or the silence of you not answering!!!

[1on40]

Serious REG lets do the face off, lets do the challenge as you are so confident that we are a scam and crap!

Let's do it ASAP

[1on40]

REG, no pressure dude, we are waiting for you.


Let's do the challenge.

We are not afraid as we will make you look so stupid that you'll wish you were a real time SEO.

Come on REG let's do it because we would like the adrenalin rush and show you that it can be done.

The challenge is open to anyone not only REG!

The challenge is the same as offered to SEODUDE, let's do it seriously REG we are right up for it.

Speak soon REG

[1on40]

REG sorry to be persistent, let's do the challenge as you seem so confident that we are a scam you surely cannot lose right?

We are so excited about this, let's do it REG.

Oh by the way REG what's the name of your SEO company/service as there's nothing like mentioning that name right now so we know who we are up against and who we are going to take down.

Reg, come back to us without the usual cocky stuff... Email is fine. Take us up on the challenge and we will quieten down until the results are out, but then we will just have to make a fool of you.

REG let us know.

Yes we are an aggressive company that doesn't tae REG and his obtuse views lightly...

We want the challenge. REG SEO challenge us. PLEASE.

[RegDCP]

From your reply I can see you know nothing about SEO'ing and use your expertise in the use of the english language to manipulate anything anyone says to shine bad light on them...

And you draw this conclusion based on what in my responses?

Show me some sites you are ranking in the #1 spot and I will show you mine..
Can't do it?

You have nothing better to do! You are a jealous, envious NO HOPE person less you wouldn't be bating your breath to return here to demonstrate how silly you are.

The last stand of a scammer is (to)personally attack the other poster.
How about defending your business with FACTS and not hyperbole?

You like making jokes out of us. You like slamming our service. You like calling us a scam.

Your business IS a joke.
I split my sides laughing at your "testimonials".

You like degrading our service and brand BUT you don't like our genorous offer of a competition where you could in fact make a fool out of us and prove we are a sham.

Take the challenge don't keep skirting around it! Take it or just shut up for goodness sake.

I have offered a counter challenge.
Show me your results and I will show you mine.

Make a fool out of us

You are doing a good enough job of that on your own without my help.

If you can't shut up and don't take us up on the challenge it shows that you have nothing better to do than make false accusations because you are jealous.

Not at all true.
I am posting because I hate to see others with less expertise in SEO taken in by your lies.

If you are a real SEO then take us up... We look forward to your email acceptance or the silence of you not answeringWe will give you a URL from the Web that has nothing to do with your personal gain and you MUST get it to the highest level as possible using your knowledge.

And I should develop one of your sites for you for nothing??
Do I have access to the site to modify the content?

Oh by the way REG what's the name of your SEO company/service as there's nothing like mentioning that name right now so we know who we are up against and who we are going to take down

.

You mean you don't know?
What a search engine expert!!
Need another hint?
Reg

[1on40]

You are not going to take us up on our challenge then I take it, but you will simply resort to attempting to descredit our service and call us a scam.

You sure are a stereotype.

You even say we are attacking you, when it it plain to see from anyone with an ounce of brain we are defending ourselves against nasty, spiteful full of envy timewasters like you.

No issue you ramble on and on while we provide our service.

Just or the record we will do some research and locate your good EXPERT SEO name and add it to this forum once we have all we need to ensure everyone is in posession of the full facts.

Then we will start the match to see how your nae survives this whether you do this challenge or not now.

No more playing verbal tennis with you REG gloves are off pal.

Speak soon of course.

[1on40]

REGDCP

Before we start, let us comment that we are not aggressive or rude first off. We are protecting ourselves from carrion like you. You were the one who started the argument by calling us names now we are aggressively pursuing you to put your money where your mouth is.

You seem to be cleverer than we initially thought but lets get down to the nitty gritty - you called us names and are living off us like a leach to gain a few extra hits to your site.

We offer you and any other person the ultimate proof - a challenge.

If we lose then we look silly.

If you don't want to take us up on the challenge simply apologise and go on your way.

BUT don't try to live off our search engine traffic which is a typical move by someone losing money and clients by 1on40's activities.

You can call us names but you cannot go out of your way to prove us wrong, that's shameful and embarrassing for you.

I know you are a dinosaur (and alive) but they are extinct.

No wonder you cannot stay away from this thread.

Jealous, envious, even scared but nevertheless riding the wave trying to nap our search traffic you should be ashamed of yourself;

http://dotcom-productions.com/cms/

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DotCom-Productions

1027 Ryan Road
UNit 342
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Canada

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Domain Name: DOTCOM-PRODUCTIONS.COM
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Administrative Contact:
Charie, Reg go-daddy-account@regcharie.com
DotCom-Productions
1027 Ryan Road
UNit 342
Courteany, British Columbia V9N 3R6
Canada
2503399079

Technical Contact:
Charie, Reg go-daddy-account@regcharie.com
DotCom-Productions
1027 Ryan Road
UNit 342
Courteany, British Columbia V9N 3R6
Canada
2503399079

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Go on nap some more of our traffic.

We challenge you to the duel.

You ar an SEO take it up or are you more comfortable making unfounded biased claims?

Take us up on the challenge, its black and white and so, so simple to do.

You make a fool of us or we make a fool of you, it is that simple whoever wins -WINS

It is your choice! You cannot come up with any reason to say no, it is weighted on your side you only have to get 1 URL to the #1 result of Google and Yahoo for 5 keywords whereas we have to do it for 100 new URLS.

You can't have any other reason for saying no other than you cannot do it, you are scared that we will beat you and you will be laughed at... True let's do it.

1on40

As always aggressively protecting their service's name and client's interest

Come on take us up on the challenge and burn.

Simply, you have 2 options;

1. Take us up on the challenge
2. Apologise or simply retract your old world views as new ways of SEO'ing spring up every day

Then we are at level playing fiekds.

The choice is yours, but don't continue your current attitude towards us as we will not tolerate it and will quite simply continue every single avenue available to us to include legal measures to ensure that any damge to our name is compensated.

Failing the options above we will end our negotiations and discussions with Reg on this forum and take this via postal system to Reg Charie any available using civil and criminal recourse.

Have a great day

[scambuster99]

I also registered several of my sites and registered as an affiliate, but I have my doubt about this offer. Since yesterday I can't login into either my client or affiliate account. Please check the domain reg info below:
Domain Name: 1ON40.COM
Registrar: GANDI SAS
Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
Referral URL:
Name Server: NS1.POWWEB.COM
Name Server: NS2.POWWEB.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 24-jan-2008
Creation Date: 08-jul-2007
Expiration Date: 08-jul-2008