Reality Millions? Scam or not?

[RegulationE]

Dave,

The problem we have here is that the definition of scam is so scewed that people believe that is something has ever paid anyone it is not a scam and there fore it is legal in the location they are living.

To believe you will make millions of dollars in 12 months time for a small little $49.00 investment is beyond believeable.

I just tried to get into RM and got this message "Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /home/rm777/public_html.1/inc/config.inc.php on line 1456
Too many connections" and have gotten similar messages everytime I try to gather information about RM.

Real companies simply do not have problems like this that linger on for weeks and even months.

RM has made some very strange claims about why their servers are up and down all the time. Again, they do not hold up to what would be happening in most legit companies.

RM is hosted with a webhost that is designed to hide the identity of the owners. The owner goes by the name of "Midas" and no one seems to know anything about this person they are intrusting their money to.

Think about the circumstancial evidence here when you think about whether this "company" is a scam or not. I have never in my life seen so many people think that it is ok not to have any idea who is in control of their money/investments. I can not figure out why people are so willing to simply say some guy we don't know has told us this is for real so we beleive them and we are going to be rich before long.

Investing with any company that hides the principles identity is dangerous and a very bad investment. These types of investments are so crazy that I can not even understand why anyone with any common sense would even consider it.

How can you not say a site like this one is not a scam? Becuase some people have gotten paid? What is your money being used for? How many drugs have your funds bought, how many suicide bombs has it made, how much money has been laundered? Maybe none, but the fact that you don't know tells me you are more interested in getting rich then you are about the legallity of the program or the actions being taken with the use of your money.

Originally Posted by Mooseeater

Maybe you should screw off then Texan 50.
i heard a rumour about incest at the Catty?
Know anything about that?

This thread is about RM and we're trying to get it back on subject. I warned this membership about you and how you would start posting but it seems they've decided to allow you to act here as you do at your other forum.
Now, if you've got a rumor to investigate about someone at cattyshaq instead of offering opinions on RM, I'd suggest you take it up with that person at cattyshaq.

texan50

[dumbexperts.com]

Originally Posted by texan50

Dumbexperts, regardless, the ads are displayed on YOUR site and what do you mean it's nothing to get worked up about if they're illiterate ? Maybe to another illiterate it's okay, but the general marketing public should expect some degree of intelligence from the people they plan to invest with.

So, in your way of thinking, if a female has the courage to question, it's alright for you and your sidekick mooseater/longhorn to post abusively towards her and question her sexual life ? Get a grip man !! That woman, CMC, is a very intelligent woman and just gets under your skin. If you can't debate her intelligently, just give it up.

texan50

Oh Baloney, Sure I can debate her intelligently. However, she is not intelligentl. Just another low life infected sh** stirrer like you are Texen50

eddieboy speaks his mind and he speaks the truth, something you and others like you cannot take to. Look at what you have at WWSN, an administrator that admits to finding humor in tragedy, no matter what the situation. When a lady from GP was deathly ill, she kept asking if she was dead yet, some "lady" administrator you have there and I use the term loosely.
Then you have a moderator that admitted to welfare fraud and now she's trying to bust scams ? LOL!!
The rest are no better, including the one that bounced you Dumbexpert and they claim to be "above reproach" ? But you're biggest mistake was linking their forum to questionable programs, hell, I would've bounced you too for that. Then of course, you have Abe, the internet wonder detective(tic)who tries to take credit for singlehandedly bringing down GP when he knows damn well it was a team effort by many people. In fact, Abe was as much a GP supporter as the rest of us were at one time, he just refuses to admit to it.
You say you filed a complaint to Bob Burtis ? What was his reply ?

eddieboy is just like LongHorn of the WWSN. A pretty hateful individaul who hates everyone and everything. Where is the valid proof that the moderator that comitted welfare fraud? As for Abe being involved GP. Thats funny. What about Moloch and his Safelist business. You do know for a fact that they are kiss of death for marketers. What about the inconfident ekid who refuses to deal with crooked and rogue moderator?. She's pretty rogue herself. As for Bob Burtis, I thing these angry young thugs are trying to push him out.

Nothanks to you the forum is dead. your one of they very people trying to kill it. Bob burtis I believe may let the forum completely die into nothing. I already reccommended to remove the link to that forum as I did.


Dumbexperts

[Reapwhatyesow]

Where is the valid proof that you have anything that remotely resembles a brain, dumbexpert?

[Scambaiter]

Is there the slightest possibility we can discuss RM in an RM discussion thread?

[monavie]

i just dont know why everybody wants to know Midas's real name, i mean i can definitely post a endless list of investing programs that dont reveal who they are , you can only contact them throw email, i mean if i was Midas, i dont think i would like people to know who i am... nowadays it's very easy to trace someone, plus we are not talking about millions but billions of dollars ( thats if everybody care to assume RM is a legitimate business that can deliver what it promessed) so if i was just a normal johnny that carry all that money, i wouldnt even tell my grandma where i am until it is over with.

Second, i dont think if its a good argument. but i will post it and you tell me what you think. In february, INTgold has changed their terms and regulations, and i could feel that many people were frustrated about it, but didnt know why until i read about it and found out about all the verifications that are required in order to move 100$. So dont you think you have to be highly verified to move millions of dollars, and as far as im concerned, INTGOLD or any payment processors knows where the money goes, it doesnt just disappear, therefore if RM decides to leave they can definitely be traced, unless the money is being spent at the moment, but again, its not possible because every day new investment matures. If someone says RM is a Matrix, then we could maybe investigate on that but i refuse to hear a bunch of people throwing assumptions just for the fun of it.

About the 200,000$ stolen, i thought about it assume that in life you cant prevent everything, Midas might have not seen coming, or else he would have been prepared so what do you do if a incident like this happens to your business? Another think if this happenned to me and i would have to lie about someone hacking my business, i would simply use my own email, not the email of a complete stranger, i mean like you all know, this guy, whoever he was probably got 1000s of email for people curious to know if the story is true, so do you really think if this story was false Midas would use the email of someone that actually exist... ahhaha, i would simply create a new Hotmail account andnever reply the messages, come on guys, use your head, i strongly beleave that the email address was stolen, as someone today on yahoo offered me to acked any msn, yahoo, aol account for 120USD, i dont have to tell you i refuse this stupid offer!

I really dont want to mislead nobody, but thats what i think, and for 49USD its not a big deal for me, it might be for other people but not for me, plus i need someone to list clear fact that RM is a scam in a bullet format, and please think about what you say, no assumptions, i want facts... and also i think this forum is a lil unusual because every now and then someone promotes that cattyshaq website, and administration doesnt say anything, why cant you just say CATTYSHAQ , i've notice that its always in a form of link for some reason... i dont know what to think right now, are you guys promoting or are you helping others

[Lawyer]

Real people can borrow money for real estate development and investment at 5% or less in today's market. Why is Midas willing to pay so so much more? Because he is a do goodie? Because he loves you? Or, because you will not be able to trace him when you do not get the return of your principal? 100% of these high yield programs marketed to the retail market are Ponzi Frauds. Show me one that paid out to all the investors, not just the first 5%. There has never been one. This one will collapse shortly. For those of you who have lent money to or invested with (been taken in by) Midas you should know that he also goes by the name Colin Veter and has an e-mail address: colin@naturalfusion.net. Natural Fusion is a Baltimore Maryland web page promotion and design company. I do not know what their level of involvement with Midas/Colin Venter is. If any reader lives in or close to Baltimore, it may be worthwhile to pay them a visit and ask them for an introduction to Midas Colin Venter.

[Reapwhatyesow]

For those of you who have lent money to or invested with (been taken in by) Midas you should know that he also goes by the name Colin Veter and has an e-mail address: colin@naturalfusion.net.

I have no reason to doubt what you say, lawyer, but can you tell us why you have reached that conclusion?

[Lawyer]

Dear Monavie
You ask for a list of the reasons why Reality Millions is a Fraud. You write: "I just don’t know why everybody wants to know Midas's real name, I mean I can definitely post a endless list of investing programs that don’t reveal who they are, you can only contact them through e-mail." Please post your list. If you go back and review your information you will find that 100% of the programs on your list are frauds. Why am I making such a categorical statement? Let us start with a definition of what a financial fraud is under USA law: the misrepresentation of a material fact, knowingly made, with the intent to deceive, that is reasonably relied upon by the person who is deceived and who because of that deception part with something of value. Under USA SEC law the failure to disclose information, which an investor should know in order to evaluate the risks of an investment is a misrepresentation and therefore a criminal securities fraud violation. USA law applies if USA investors are in the program. So, question number one: is it important for you to know who the person is to whom you are intrusting your investment capital? Would it be relevant to your investment decision to know if Midas has a criminal record, prior security law violations or has been sued for stealing investor’s money in the past? If you answer yes to any of these questions then whoever Midas really is, is in violation of USA criminal law and that makes his program a scam.

[Lawyer]

Dear Reapwhatyousow

You state: I have no reason to doubt what you say, lawyer, but can you tell us why you have reached that conclusion? Please see my response to Monavie above. In addition: USA SEC law is very clear: the promoter has an affirmative duty to disclose all information relevant to a potential investors decision. In addition to disclosing who he is, Midas, if he wanted to comply with USA SEC law, would have to make the following additional disclosures: place of residence; family status, age, educational background, employment history, professional background, investment history, law suits, administrative actions, criminal record. This is just a partial list of personal information he is obligated to disclose to every USA investor who has lent him or invested with him a sum of less then $150,000. It is assumed that the big investors can get this information on their own and do not need the protection that is due the retail investor. IN ADDITION: Midas is required to disclose his commissions and promotional costs because he can only invest the net capital raised after all commissions, legal fees, web design fees etc are paid for. He is also required to disclose all conflicts of interest. For instance, is he taking the best deal for himself and giving the investors the worst ones?

This scheme will be collapsing shortly. Expect Midas to blame some one else or just disappear. Very convenient that no one knows your real identity or where you live.

[Reapwhatyesow]

With all due respect Lawyer I know all that, what I meant was, what evidence do you have that his name is Colin Venter/Veter?

[Cattysha]

Good question.

I for one, believe his real name is Gunter. The REASON I believe he is Gunter is because Gunter ran FreeLandOpps, which was dieing just as RM came to life, and the FreeLandOps SSL certificate was used to secure the RM website until it expired.

THAT is the reason I believe he is Gunter. Why do you believe he is Colin?

Lawyer, you gave us many examples of what the SEC requires to register securities but not one reason why you think Midas is Colin Veter. RM is not registered with the SEC, so that can't be where you have found your information.

texan50

[monavie]

you guys are none sence, you come up with a bunch of assumptions, Lawyer talking about SEC laws, RM is nor registered with the SEC so people that invest with RM are aware of the risks that can apply, plus i come to the conclusion that if RM was registered with the SEC, nobody would make those stupid assumptions.. but truth is that it would be impossible to make that kind of money, because of all their regulations, think about it if it is registered with the SEC then more people will feel safe, more people feel safe, i dont think they will invest 49USD but more like 5000USD, and just assume that thousands a people suddenly become millionaires, correct me if im wrong but that could result to an inflation...

i personally think RM runs against some laws, but its for the better.

Please everybody, I really like to have those conversation, but people posting assumptions, and false statements such as Midas " possible " name and if its not a coincidence it is related to another scam, you need to stop, because none of you have provent a point yet, Lawyer has stated real fact about SEC but it makes no sence with RM

[Publisher1]

Huh?

While some people are 'investing' $49 in RM, others are putting much more into this scam. It is utterly illogical that returns as claimed by "Midas" can be sustained. If you review some history you will see that RM follows the same model of many other similar scams, where some payouts are made but the money comes from later "investors" not a true gain on the "investment".

The lawyer was pointing out that it is essentially illegal to market and promote RM in most western nations, despite all the disclaimers on their site. Despite complaints about the inefficiencies and 'badness' of 'big government', regulations came into force the free market system needs them to protect the innocent and corral the crooks.

The paradox is that if you are willing to pay the dues, you can create wealth out of "thin air", honestly and with total integrity. The route is entrepeneurship. You don't need huge amounts of capital to start a business -- in fact you can do it with 'no money'. As an example -- say you are a student, you could start a lawn care/maintenance business with some simple tools you could borrow from family members or friends. When I started my publishing business 15 years ago, I arranged with advertisers for my first issue to prepay for their ads (by giving them a discount). This gave me the cash needed to pay the typesetters, printers, and post office before I had established any kind of business credit.

I believe big achievements are possible if you dream big, and truly buy into the motivational values of "Midas" and Darren. But I don't want to see these values distorted with dishonesty and thievery. My bias is clear and obvious -- and the evidence of why RM is a scam can be seen here and at http://www.cattyshaq.com/forum

Originally Posted by texan50

Lawyer, you gave us many examples of what the SEC requires to register securities but not one reason why you think Midas is Colin Veter. RM is not registered with the SEC, so that can't be where you have found your information.

texan50

This Texan 50 idiot is a PROVEN LIAR so dont put any store in anything he has to say.
Hes been kicked out of scam forums for lies , deciet and causing trouble.
Hes a nutcase and I warn you not to have anything to do with him.

monavie:
RM is nor registered with the SEC so people that invest with RM are aware of the risks that can apply, plus i come to the conclusion that if RM was registered with the SEC, nobody would make those stupid assumptions.. but truth is that it would be impossible to make that kind of money, because of all their regulations, think about it if it is registered with the SEC then more people will feel safe, more people feel safe, i dont think they will invest 49USD but more like 5000USD, and just assume that thousands a people suddenly become millionaires, correct me if im wrong but that could result to an inflation...

monavie, just by NOT being registered with the SEC and accepting investments from U.S citizens, regardless of the amount, RM is operating illegally. I am trying to understand your reasoning concerning RM, but it's difficult. Also try to understand that RM cannot claim to be operating as a "Private Investment" opportunity because it doesn't fall within the 100 member rule and RM has made public offerings of securities, so registration is required regardless of what you think.

monavie:
i personally think RM runs against some laws, but its for the better

And I personally think most the RM members, including the moderators also think as you do, but it's not for the better. Specific laws and regulations have been implemented to protect innocent people from losing their money. The problem is....most people on the internet nowadays are not innocents, they realize most these programs are Ponzi's and they also know investing early will almost guarantee returns on the initial investment, enough to not care if the program is legal or not.

texan50

mooseeater, keep on subject or go back to your scum forum.
Your assinine posts are not appreciated by this membership as they are elsewhere.


texan50

Texan 50 doesnt like it when I tell the truth about him.
Hes running a big scam himself and he used to be a BIG
supporter of Alan Catlan of the Going Platinium scam.
Personal friends I believe.
So people BEWARE of anything this scumbuster says.
He lives off scams and whatever crumbs his wife throws him.

[RegulationE]

mooseeater...it is obviuos you and texan50 do not like each other. If you want to dispute his RM facts go ahead and post, other then they you are not adding anything to this thread.

Originally Posted by RegulationE

mooseeater...it is obviuos you and texan50 do not like each other. If you want to dispute his RM facts go ahead and post, other then they you are not adding anything to this thread.

Great observation on your part boss!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by RegulationE

mooseeater...it is obviuos you and texan50 do not like each other. If you want to dispute his RM facts go ahead and post, other then they you are not adding anything to this thread.

Regulation, it's best to ignore this mooseeater otherwise this forum will turn into one huge sludgepot like his other forum where he's allowed to post at will.
He's just upset because he was banned from cattyshaq for vulgar language, sending email viruses to the administrator and now he's content with inventing stories about cattyshaq members as his way of revenge.

As for him either disputing or agreeing on any questionable program, he has NO idea which way to go, all he knows how to do is disrupt a thread.
I've asked him to put this thread back on subject by adding his input as to whether RM is legit or not...but, he can't add anything if he knows nothing.

texan50

[dumbexperts.com]

Originally Posted by texan50

Regulation, it's best to ignore this mooseeater otherwise this forum will turn into one huge sludgepot like his other forum where he's allowed to post at will.
He's just upset because he was banned from cattyshaq for vulgar language, sending email viruses to the administrator and now he's content with inventing stories about cattyshaq members as his way of revenge.

As for him either disputing or agreeing on any questionable program, he has NO idea which way to go, all he knows how to do is disrupt a thread.
I've asked him to put this thread back on subject by adding his input as to whether RM is legit or not...but, he can't add anything if he knows nothing.

texan50

Well thats funny, the cattyshaq forum has the same type of SOB charactor posting on her forum known as eddieboy who also was in competition with this LongHorn charactor. The cattyshaq people and the forum are so desparate that they have to troll for members here to post at another useless forum set up only to bash you and nothing more.

Sounds like a cluster F*** to me. When you go to cattyshaq. surprise surprise surprise. their is eddieboy acting just like this mooseeater and such.

Regulation and texan50 along with their friends live to bash people and their legitimate businesses.

Who knows, Both of them may be peddling the Reality Millions program in secret.

Dumbexperts

William, there you go again. We're trying to get this thread back on subject but as usual you're throwing another tanturm.
You need to settle down, being banned from the other forum is not the end of the world but you were caught linking to their site with questionable programs and they didn't appreciate it, so what did you expect ?
As for eddieboy, I have never seen him provoke an attack on an innocent person, but I do remember you starting on him awhile back. Then when he questioned your pimping of the CCI program, well, of course that set you off because you couldn't provide information to contradict that it wasn't a scam.
We don't live to bash people, but if they start, we make sure to finish it.
I'll tell you what William, why don't you start a CCI thread with all the information you have on the program including statistics to prove how you and the membership of CCI have made a difference for the poverty stricken. If you cannot do this, then move on or keep on subject in this thread, that simple.

texan50

[dumbexperts.com]

Yea right and All MLM's are scams. every busienss is a scam. everything in life is a scam. Those are the only things you know how to say because your ignorant of the facts and truth. have no morals no ethics so you have to bash anything and everything to make you feel high and mighty.


You have a lot of growing up to do if your out exposing scams.

Just an ignorant child that knows very little. Bob Slater will be very happy to give you details on how may people he has helped. You need to call him instead of shooting off your ignorant filthy mouth.



What a crock. the person who kicked me off is mad because I bought it up again of me exposing him on sopporting a crooked politicain last year.. With that. doesn't make a qualified moderator. You sure need to grow up Texan.


Dumbexperts

William, just start another thread on CCI with the information, that's all you have to do, but you keep skirting the issue.
And NO, not all MLM's are scams but the ones discussed in here are either questionable, very shady or downright illegal, you should be aware of that by now.
as for CCI:

Everything CCI does and will continue to do is based on our Founders' (and other like-minded individuals' dream to find a way to truly help those in poverty.

Strong words William, but are they true ? How is anyone to know without statistics ?

texan50

[monavie]

Originally Posted by texan50

The problem is....most people on the internet nowadays are not innocents, they realize most these programs are Ponzi's and they also know investing early will almost guarantee returns on the initial investment, enough to not care if the program is legal or not.

texan50

This is assumptions that could be true, but what we need to focus on is FACTS. so far you said RM runs illegally, because they are not registered
with SEC

Originally Posted by Midas

Is Reality Millions legal?
Legal and clean! Although every country has different views on foreign investments, Reality Millions operates in a jurisdiction where it is 100% legal to manage private funds and investments internationally. If you are unsure whether you are allowed to participate in your country, please ask a registered advisor of your rights to participate in private investments, clubs, funds and loan clubs (these are the categories it legally falls in).

Guarantee

The 100% Money Back Guarantee extends to every person that invests in the Reality Millions Package. I cannot guarantee that you will make a million dollars, as the success of each individual depends on the amount of work they do and the commitment they have. I do, however, personally guarantee your principal amount invested in any of the Midas Money Maker or Midas Private Funds. This guarantee is based on mutual trust and yet another way of ensuring you are satisfied and successful with this incredible income opportunity.



Midas

it is clear written, therefore it is no longer Midas business if people in the US invest in Reality Millions, because if you think about it, how do you want im to regulate it?????? Let's assume that he doesnt want US investor to take part of the opportunity, i dont see why he show register with the SEC

[Lawyer]

Dear Reapwhatyesow and Cattysha

You ask why I think Midas is Colin Venter. One reason is because I have copies of e-mails where a person representing him self to be Colin Venter asserts control over the business operations of www.realitymillions.com and uses the e-mail address of colin@naturalfusion.net. This is not to say that the same person has not also used the name Gunter of FreeLandOpps infamy. The evidence I have is hard copy but is not conclusive as to the true identity of Midas. It may very well be that Mr. Venter is a front tor Midas.

[Lawyer]

Dear Monavie

You make a good point: why should a promoter be held responsible for the registration with the SEC if he is not interested in USA investors. Midas correctly points out that only $150,000 investments from USA persons can be made without SEC registration. If he takes a smaller investment without registration then he has violated USA criminal law. He has more then a hundred USA persons who have invested less the $150,000. That would make him a criminal.

Originally Posted by Lawyer

Dear Reapwhatyesow and Cattysha

You ask why I think Midas is Colin Venter. One reason is because I have copies of e-mails where a person representing him self to be Colin Venter asserts control over the business operations of www.realitymillions.com and uses the e-mail address of colin@naturalfusion.net. This is not to say that the same person has not also used the name Gunter of FreeLandOpps infamy. The evidence I have is hard copy but is not conclusive as to the true identity of Midas. It may very well be that Mr. Venter is a front tor Midas.

Very odd name....the human belly is referred to as a Venter and Colin may be a play on Colon. If I had been stuck with that name, I'd surely get it changed.

texan50

[Lawyer]

Dear Texan50
You ask why I think Midas is Colin Venter. Please see my post above. I am collecting more information and will share it after I have had some time to evaluate it. The reality millions promotion is well put together and it may be that Verter is just a front or it may also be an alias.

Originally Posted by Lawyer

Dear Texan50
You ask why I think Midas is Colin Venter. Please see my post above. I am collecting more information and will share it after I have had some time to evaluate it. The reality millions promotion is well put together and it may be that Verter is just a front or it may also be an alias.

With a name like that, I'm willing to bet it's an alias... :cool:
Thanks anyway Lawyer for whatever information you can provide.

texan50

[Lawyer]

Will the Real Midas please stand up!!!

The following information is from copies of documents signed by the parties indicated and my comments are in () in the test:

Colin Pierre Venter is the Director of RM Private Trust (a/k/a Reality Millions) his wife, Ritanna Jeursen, is the financial director.
(A husband and wife team) They both have South African residences and he has a South African passport: 43 Ashwin Ave; Chiltern Heights; 3630, KZN, South Africa. Phone #: 27 31 2626242; fax: 27 83 44 94 208; Cell: 27 83 449 4208. He also has an address in the South Pacific: 3 Pacific Lagoon Apt; Pango Road; Pango, Efftte; Vanuatu and the following phone numbers there: 678 23860 and 678 25316.

(The above information is taken from documents that I believe to be accurate however no guarantee is intended. It may be that Midas is hiding behind these people and using them as fronts or it may be that some of the documents used are themselves the work product of Midas)

[Cattysha]

Was this the 'verification' given to those who signed an NDA?

"Pacific Lagoon Apartments, your home away from home in Port Vila"

Pacific Lagoon Apartments.
P.O. Box 827, Pango Road, Ellouk, Port Vila, Vanuatu.
Telephone: 678 23860. Or 678 25316.
Facsimile: 678 24377.
Email: pla@vanuatu.com.vu
Internet: http://www.pacificlagoon.com/
Internet: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pla32/index.html

texan50

Originally Posted by Cattysha

Was this the 'verification' given to those who signed an NDA?

I was about to ask the same question and if not, I wonder where Lawyer got this information.

texan50

[Cattysha]

I just realized (assume) that he just gave what was listed when the RM Trust was established. I wonder if he can dig up the info on the supposed replacement for that trust?

The March 28th Midas update mentioned a new bank...and a new account. If you have the resources, perhaps you could verify the 'new' account...

Bankers:

In a major move to further increase our security, enhance our privacy and ensure our exclusive status is maintained, we have decided to use our sister company, RM Executive Global Ltd to handle all incoming and outgoing funds. This ensures full accountability in a responsible environment where high-end returns are safe guarded against any external interference.

RM Executive Global Ltd now uses Vorarlberger Volksbank in Austria as the receiving bank.

[Publisher1]

I have communicated with the Daily Independent in Durban, South Africa to draw this matter to the attention of local journalists. Further comments and information on http://www.cattyshaq.com/forum.

[Lawyer]

The information I have about Midas/RM Private Trust/Colin P Venter and wife are from copies of documents they have signed which are directly related to control over Reality Millions business operations. I therefore have every reason to believe that they are reliable but cannot be sure that the persons in question are fronts for other parties or are pretending. If they have brought new bank accounts into the picture then the most likely explanation is that the authorities have forced the prior banks to close their accounts. Banks are very concerned in such situations because they can be held liable for big fines and bigger legal fees when they are found to have assisted such clients.

[Cattysha]

But, the supposed bank that held that account was a fake bank...

The bank was a fake...was the account fake too?

[Publisher1]

At least one thing can be clarified here. Naturalfusion.com is a legitimate web design business based in Baltimore. Naturalfusion.net, on the other hand, where "colin" hails from, is an entirely different story. This site is registered on Vanautu!

[monavie]

you guys are so full of ****, all you do here is post asumptions, im really tired of it.. plus i dont think that your real goal is to prevent people from getting rob cause all you're dying for is to reveal Midas's identity and violate his privacy, im just tired of it, im trying to do a " Facts to Facts" discussion and all you do is bring up assumption, LAWYER, if something is not 100% accurate dont post it, you should know that if you are a LAWYER, do you go to court and assume during the whole trial, that's what they call falsifying the true, and if you want to do that, either you or other people in this forum, then im out

about the fact or assumption that US citizen can only invest less then 150,000$ , that would explain all the frustration that you guys are showing in this room

how would you like me to say you live at: 1234 lala st. #4 ny, newyork 23243, USA phone : 555-5555

allllllllllllllllllllloooooooooo, this is the internet, billions of people in the world get access so what are the chance that one person live close and knows that you live there and that you are not registered therefore your money is not protected ( take the example of brown trucks that brings money to banks, those guys are armed to protect a few thousand dollars, Midas has millions of dollars with no protection) so what are the chance of him being target by criminals.... all you are doing here is as a result of frustration, i dont know one person here, assuming that RM is legitimate, that wouldnt take Midas's place.. let's assume that RM runs illegally because its not registered, i dont know one person that wouldnt take Midas's Place

[RegulationE]

Originally Posted by monavie

you guys are so full of ****, all you do here is post asumptions, im really tired of it.. plus i dont think that your real goal is to prevent people from getting rob cause all you're dying for is to reveal Midas's identity and violate his privacy, im just tired of it, im trying to do a " Facts to Facts" .......

You want facts...the fact is that for this to be legal in the USA, the principle owners must provide their identity. It is part of the disclosure required by US law. Like it or not, that is the law. I really don't think people care as much about where this Midas character lives, but more about who this person is who is supposed to be investing on their behalf. A business address where he can receive mail would be nice as well, but it is hard to file legal documents with only a screen name. Not impossible but much harder.

Originally Posted by monavie

allllllllllllllllllllloooooooooo, this is the internet, billions of people in the world get access so what are the chance that one person live close and knows that you live there and that you are not registered therefore your money is not protected ( take the example of brown trucks that brings money to banks, those guys are armed to protect a few thousand dollars, Midas has millions of dollars with no protection) so what are the chance of him being target by criminals.... all you are doing here is as a result of frustration, i dont know one person here, assuming that RM is legitimate, that wouldnt take Midas's place.. let's assume that RM runs illegally because its not registered, i dont know one person that wouldnt take Midas's Place

I for one would not take the place of Midas. What he is doing is illegal if for no other reason then he is not complying with the disclosure laws of the US government when one sells investments. By virtue of the fact he does not reveal himself, RM is illegal. There is no question as to whether it is legitimate or not. The question is whether it is a scam planned out to steal most everyone's money.

True business people do not conceal their identity. Name one multimillion dollar company that you can not get the name of the CEO, Chairman of the board, or owner if it is not a corporation. I will tell you how to find the principle's names if they truly are legitimate and doing business in the USA.

[Lawyer]

Dear Monavie

Let us examine the evidence.

Evidence can be good, bad or in the middle. That does not prevent it being submitted in a court proceeding or elsewhere. I have stated my reservations and sources. You are part of the jury. Here are some facts. Reality Millions: 1. purports to guarantee the principal: 2. promises investors 45% per year: 3.accepts $1,000 to $5,000 investments from USA persons. 4. found by advertising on the Internet; 5.without any disclosures what so ever. All of these facts can be verified by reading the material on the Reality Millions� web page. Not everyone is able to connect all of the dots and so we have persons on this forum who discuss the matter. I am not surprised that more then one opinion is expressed nor am I surprised that many person defend �Midas�.

It is a very common practice for professions fraudsters to pay persons to post nice things about their projects on forums. This is standard operating procedure (SOP). It is SOP to mix some truth with the lie in order to get more people to believe the lie. It is SOP to appeal to emotions. I do not believe that you are being paid to post.

Perhaps you could, as I have, state at least 5 facts, which we can verify, that support the proposition that �Midas� is running an honest non-fraudulent business.

[Publisher1]

I called all the numbers of "Lawyer"'s previous posting. None were in service except for one listing in Vanatau, that is attributed to the Pacific Lagoon Apartments. When the receptionist answered, I asked for Colin Venter. She said he wasn't there. She said he had last been there in February and comes from Australia, and she didn't know when he would return. She added that he generally calls just a day ahead when he plans a visit.

Note we still don't know if the Colin Venter here has anything to do with "Midas" or Reality Millions. He could be an innocent victim or may simply have nothing to do with the story. Colin Venter is also a very common name from South Africa and there are several "Venters" in the Australian phone book. More details are at http://www.cattyshaq.com/forum.

[Lawyer]

Thank you Publisher 1

You saved me the cost of the long distaance calls and have verified that there is indeed a person who uses the name Colin P Venter who perports to be part of the management of reality millions. Dead phone numbers are not a good sign. You are right to note that this could be a stolen idenity case. The only way to know for sure is to do a fingerprint and dna exam. That may be a while off yet.

[monavie]

Alright, I got enough...everything that is beinfg posted here is pure bulls***, all that " I called his hotel and they gave you the info on where he was where his going", Since when did hotel knew all this information, plus if Midas was running a scam and was a frauder, Why in the HELL would he provide all this information, you guy are full of ****, ive notice all you do here is advertise your website, every single reply has a link of cattyshaq, i just can take it anymore, you guys are soooo jealous and frustrated, i bet that 100% of the people saying RM is a scam are from USA, actually thats not true cause im from USA too, Florida to be exact, but i have residence else where, anyways this is not about me....you guys make argument that makes no sense. First, who cares that RM is not legal in USA, if Rm was not Legal in India, would you say anything, if you knew that RM was running illegally in India, would you say anything.. i said it before and i say it again, you guys are all mad that other people will have members that will get richer, except the US because they have the stupid SEC, if you are sooo worry about people losing money, why dont you help people in China, india, africa that works for 0.10$ a day, assuming they were supposed to make average 8$ an hour, then they just lost trillions and trillions from who "majoritarly", THe United States of America, all your stories about knowing where Midas is, all that is bull****, i got a chance to talk with him, because i report all the bull**** that was going on here, and only with that conversation, i decide to no longer post anything here, i will no longer support Reality Millions in this forum, actually i will do better:

EVERYBODY FROM USA, PLEASE DONT JOIN REALITY MILLIONS!!!!!!It's is NOT REGISTERED WITH THE sec, THEREFORE THE US CAN NOT TAX YOU FOR IT

you guys are happy, now i think everybody is happy, and the rest of the world will make money PEACEFULLY...and for the person who said im getting paid for that, think what you wanna think. HAVE A GOOD YEAR EVERYBODY AND HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD TIME POSTING HERE AND PROMOTING YOUR SITE, I WISH EVERYBODY HERE GOOD LUCK IN WHAT THEY DO, AND WITH MY BLESSING HOPEFULLY YOU WILL ALL REACH FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!!

[Publisher1]

Huh?

A lot of people in the US, it seems, ARE promoting RM, and thus are breaking the law. As well similar laws exist in most western nations with well-developed economies. One of the main reasons for these laws is to protect innocent people from scams. Yes, in the western world, you have to pay tax on your earnings and of course you have to pay tax even if your earnings are illegal or you are guilty of ... tax evasion!

I'm overtly promoting http://www.cattyshaq.com/forum (and indirectly, my own business interests) because I am quite ready to live in daylight. Of course, we play by the rules here -- sticking to the topic on the appropriate forum and keeping any self-promotional messages where they belong and where you can find them if you are really interested. But the point is any real business operating in the 'real world' (not 'scam world') does not hide in the absurd secrecy of RM's "Midas".

If you are a 'true believer' and want to throw your money away, that is your business. But if you are trying to recruit others into this scam -- and collecting 'referral commissions' (if you ever actually see them) -- then you are a criminal, at least if you live in the populated western nations.

PS: If you review my last posting, you'll notice two things. First, rather than take anyone's word for things, I actually checked for myself. It doesn't take too much effort and only a little money to pick up the phone and dial the number (or send a test email to the address purported by "midas" to be that of an "extortionist hacker".) Second, I don't go around throwing accusations out -- the name here may be that of a fake or someone totally innocent of participating in RM.

[Cattysha]

Originally Posted by monavie

EVERYBODY FROM USA, PLEASE DONT JOIN REALITY MILLIONS!!!!!!It's is NOT REGISTERED WITH THE sec, THEREFORE...

...IT'S ILLEGAL!!!

[EnoughNow]

So Monavie, let me understand this,

You reported that you had been reading and posting in another forum where people were speculating about Midas.

Because of this, rather than have your RM account terminated as per Commander Taco Tambra's orders, you were instead placed in direct contact with Midas? You talked to him and decided to not post here anymore?

And your excuse for this crime is that because other crimes or otherwise ethically questionable activities occur elsewere, this crime is okay? I don't get it.