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Old 03-16-2007, 10:42 PM
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Re: ******** Vacations Scam

My blood Boils when I think of Sondance Vacations (again, the "o" should be replaced with a "u" to determine the true name of the company I am talking about).

PLEASE, SPARE YOURSELF THE TIME AND ENERGY OF LISTENING TO THEIR SALES PITCH OR TAKING THEIR "FREE" ****.

If you want to learn about all their business practices, how they do what they do, and how they rip you off, please visit the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/********_Vacations

This site is from an online encyclopedia!! It's accurate and TRUE!!!

BY THE WAY, THE 'FREE' STUFF YOU GET ACTUALLY WILL COST YOU MONEY....AND LOTS OF IT......IT'S ALL EXPLAINED THROUGH THE LINK!!


LASTLY: IF YOU LISTENED TO A SONDANCE VACATIONS SALES PITCH, DECLINED THEIR OFFER, BUT TOOK THE 'FREE' STUFF, PLEASE READ ON.

The company that offered the two nights free stay, in my case, was called Tiano Incentives and Premiums. They took my "processing fee" money, twice, and NEVER GAVE ME ANYTHING!!! If this is the same case with you and you are interested in a class action law suit, please respond to this post with some type of contact info (generic email address or anything)



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Old 03-18-2007, 10:44 PM
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Re: ******** Vacations Scam

Why can't you just say the name of sun dance vacations? Are you putting the stars or is it happening automatically?

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Old 04-13-2007, 11:02 PM
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Re: **** Marketing And ******** Vacations

I'd like to know what happened to the thread. About a month ago I got talked into buying the "corporate" package which is $750 dollars to join and I pay for the vacations as I go. I got access to the site only to find the vacations are not in locations originally sold on and cost upwards of $500 most times of the year. I called to cancel and was told I would forfeit the fee I paid. How can we bring this company down?!



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Old 04-27-2007, 11:21 PM
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S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E Vacations and D-O-W-D Marketing

It seems as though there has already been at least one lawsuit filed against the above named provider in New Jersey.

http://streettalkblog.com/?p=1002

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HACKENSACK: You regular readers know by now how I feel about the vast majority of so-called “Vacation/Travel Clubs”. (If you don’t, just search this blog and you’ll quickly find out.) So I keep an eye on that “industry”, watching for the inevitable scam and fraud alerts. Part of my routine includes occasional perusal of court filings.

Most recently I ran across a court case filed against ******** (writer is referring to S undance) Vacations, which suffers from a less-than-stellar reputation if online complaints against them are any measure. It seems that on November 6, 2006, a consumer fraud civil law suit was filed against S undance Vacations Vacations, Inc. and S undance Vacations Network, Inc. and other affiliates. The fraudulent misrepresentation claim was filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Bergen County, docket number L-8256-06. The civil suit detailed numerous violations of N.J.S.A. 56:8 et seq. of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, by utilizing “false pretenses through the use of unconscionable commercial practices.”

The initial pleading claimed that S undance Vacations called the plaintiff up claiming she had won “a free prize”, but when the plaintiff went to collect the prize she discovered that she had to sit through a sales presentation before she could collect the “free” prize (that’s illegal, by the way). She ended up paying $12,000 for a program she didn’t want and can’t afford. Her stance was that if S undance Vacations had not fraudulently misrepresented their claim that she had won a free prize she would never have attended the presentation and never have coughed up the money during a high pressure presentation; therefore she sustained an “ascertainable loss”.

S undance Vacations settled the case out of court, according to court records, and the settlement agreement is sealed so we’ll never know just how it all turned out. Too bad, ‘cause I’d really like to know.

PS: You might want to refresh your memory about timeshare laws in New Jersey. Things changed last year…
Other links to related threads on this site:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=18877

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=19682

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=18911

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=19907

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=19683


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Old 05-02-2007, 06:19 PM
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Sun dance Vacations aka Travel Advantage Network

This article was published by streettalkblog.com.

NEW JERSEY: April 27
Filed under: -EASTERN USA — street @ 12:07 am

HACKENSACK: You regular readers know by now how I feel about the vast majority of so-called “Vacation/Travel Clubs”. (If you don’t, just search this blog and you’ll quickly find out.) So I keep an eye on that “industry”, watching for the inevitable scam and fraud alerts. Part of my routine includes occasional perusal of court filings.

Most recently I ran across a court case filed against Sun dance Vacations, which suffers from a less-than-stellar reputation if online complaints against them are any measure. It seems that on November 6, 2006, a consumer fraud civil law suit was filed against Sun dance Vacations, Inc. and Sun dance Vacations Network, Inc. and other affiliates. The fraudulent misrepresentation claim was filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Bergen County, docket number L-8256-06. The civil suit detailed numerous violations of N.J.S.A. 56:8 et seq. of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, by utilizing “false pretenses through the use of unconscionable commercial practices.”

The initial pleading claimed that Sun dance called the plaintiff up claiming she had won “a free prize”, but when the plaintiff went to collect the prize she discovered that she had to sit through a sales presentation before she could collect the “free” prize (that’s illegal, by the way). She ended up paying $12,000 for a program she didn’t want and can’t afford. Her stance was that if Sun dance had not fraudulently misrepresented their claim that she had won a free prize she would never have attended the presentation and never have coughed up the money during a high pressure presentation; therefore she sustained an “ascertainable loss”.

Sun dance Vacations settled the case out of court, according to court records, and the settlement agreement is sealed so we’ll never know just how it all turned out. Too bad, ‘cause I’d really like to know.

PS: You might want to refresh your memory about timeshare laws in New Jersey. Things changed last year…

Another link to the Sun dance saga http://www.scamstalk.com/about2588-0-asc-0.html

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Old 06-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: **** Marketing And ******** Vacations

Saw these idiots at my town's street fair last week. I went up to a few people who were about to fill out the form to win the car and warned them not to sign. I think this angered the ******** guy, who even though he was actually wearing a ******** shirt, wasn't really going out of his way to tell people what he was really doing there. I don't know if I was successful at geting anyone to not fill out the form, but I gave it a try. Guess those that did not listen will find out the hard way as their phone starts getting hit with calls within the next few weeks.

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Old 09-07-2008, 12:53 AM
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Re: **** Marketing And ******** Vacations

Wow Kathy I have to say thank you for implying that I might be able to actually speak my mind on your blogs eh eehm,.. thanks for insulting my intelligence. I used no profanity and only stayed focused on my topic and that was that this is a scam. A door opens and the party music and atmosphere begins and I was presented with a gentleman that yelled my fiance and I's name as if we were special when the older tired gentleman who was obviously tired..turned us over for a delivery of the pitch. This man delivered a package in a room that seemd to have its own party going on, great island music and beach balls cameras smiles and pricing that we would be looking at that starts at 15,000$ quickly turns into 12,000 for Charter members and that you would also be paying 400-800$ for 8days, 7nights at whatever resort in thier system". This does not include airfair folks either....yaddy yaddy yadda Anyway I quickly tell the gentleman that I/We are unable to afford any down payment whatso ever and he quickly sais no problem we'll take care of that. I state "well I have to go to work I wanna think about this" and he than states that I would not be eligible for the gifts we were promised nor would we be eligible for packaging at his prices I than ask than if I choose to cancel this I have full right to cancel this man confirms multiple times that all we need to do is speak with customer service and cancelation is not a problem....as everyone across the board knows this company is a fraudulent and will ultimately crumble it's inevitable for a company that pulls these kinda stunts everyone here should seriously spend one day telling as many people as they can how bad this company is and how and why they should avoid them that would honestly put a dent it things either way I will stop an no cost to exploit this paticular company for the outraguos claims to be the number one buisness in america wow the guys are chuck full of pie and i'm not talking about apples anymore...... please for the love of god start a class action lawsuit against these guys it was successful once just look :zx11 pissed:

Most recently I ran across a court case filed against ******** (writer is referring to S undance) Vacations, which suffers from a less-than-stellar reputation if online complaints against them are any measure. It seems that on November 6, 2006, a consumer fraud civil law suit was filed against S undance Vacations Vacations, Inc. and S undance Vacations Network, Inc. and other affiliates. The fraudulent misrepresentation claim was filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Bergen County, docket number L-8256-06. The civil suit detailed numerous violations of N.J.S.A. 56:8 et seq. of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, by utilizing “false pretenses through the use of unconscionable commercial practices.”

The initial pleading claimed that S undance Vacations called the plaintiff up claiming she had won “a free prize”, but when the plaintiff went to collect the prize she discovered that she had to sit through a sales presentation before she could collect the “free” prize (that’s illegal, by the way). She ended up paying $12,000 for a program she didn’t want and can’t afford. Her stance was that if S undance Vacations had not fraudulently misrepresented their claim that she had won a free prize she would never have attended the presentation and never have coughed up the money during a high pressure presentation; therefore she sustained an “ascertainable loss”.

S undance Vacations settled the case out of court, according to court records, and the settlement agreement is sealed so we’ll never know just how it all turned out. Too bad, ‘cause I’d really like to know.

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Old 11-20-2008, 05:59 AM
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S undance Vacations. Am I screwed?

Hi, hi how are you all?

Anyone who has a history with this company or knows about it please offer me some advice?

So..My boyfriend and I went to the company in the King of Prussia location for one of those projection screen presentations thingys they offer.

They called and said they met us at a Phillies game (we entered a drawing for gas cards?? or something) and we were selected to win a free cruise and yadda yadda blah blah, we just had to give them an hour of our time.

So we went... cynically and mostly because we had nothing better to do and we live 3 mins away from the place.

Anyhow we watched it with a group of similarly cynical folk and it sounded good enough but we weren't about to spend 12k on a vacation package.

Soo.. They had like 15 representatives come out and greet and capture each couple to go back to their little desks or whatevs and listen to more of the same.

We did like what they had to offer but it isn't in our budget..we kept going back and forth with the guy. Then finally I said we would think about it over a smoke outside!

We went out and we were ready to ditch and head to the car. And wouldn't you know it.. our rep followed us outside knowing we were going to ditch I guess.

He said "Hey guys! I just got something unbelievable set up for you.. I told my boss, Look these guys are young like me! They want to travel! What can we do for them?"
He then offered us a smaller package... 8k 15 vacations.. $130 a month, NO MONEY DOWN! and after $900 is on the account we are free to go on vacay! Yay! POOR PEOPLE PACKAGE! Do you love it?

Anyway.. $130 bucks a month for a vacation package that sounded good to us... sounded reasonable? No money down? Okay. W.e. I like the beach.. We don't have a mortgage, own our cars. It's in our affordability. We agreed, signed the crap that was of course briefly and quickly skipped over and ran through.

BIG things that he did not share with us:

We have to give them roughly 400 extra dollars a year for 30 years.

INTEREST RATES!! (we got the 12k package after all!)

With taxes, processing fees, yearly fees, extra fees, fees, fees fees it probably works out into more like $35,000

And many other things I'm reading on the internet that are all various degrees of horrifying.

So people here's my questions..

1. I did not give them a red cent of my sweet cash YET. They have my Banking information. I am about to contact my bank to see that they get none of it. (Which may be unwise.. contract and all)

2. I've read people in New Jersey can and have gotten out of contracts with these people.

3. I live in PA, that doesn't help me. I don't know my rights. I doubt I have any.

4. Let's say I am past the point of having any rights here..boohoo. Let's say I just never give them a red cent of my money.

Do they burn me at the stake? Take my firstborn child? Do I serve time? Do I need a lawyer? Do I have a right to a public attorney?

Can I call them and raise all kinds of hulabaloo and get out of it somehow?

Just... How screwed am I?

If I am over the top screwed beyond a doubt and you recommend I need to give them my money..

ARE THE VACATIONS NICE :(

Please help! Tell me I can be freee!


Update: I hastily canceled the debit card that they have listed. Am I going to jail? Lol. They can't tap into my bank somehow can they?

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Old 12-02-2008, 04:17 PM
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Update :

I got out of the contract! Yahoo.
Freedom.

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Old 12-10-2008, 01:39 PM
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Re: **** Marketing And ******** Vacations

what if it has been longer then three days and you want to cancel the membership. anybody have any advice on that? thanks in advance.

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Old 06-08-2009, 08:35 AM
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Re: S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E Vacations and D-O-W-D Marketin

S-u-n-d-a-n-c-e Event Marketing, is the name, minus the dashes of course



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Old 07-25-2009, 05:49 PM
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Man, I wish I had read this yesterday! Yep, I just attended their event today and the "super hot, just divorced" lady got me to sign up (hmm, coincidence that I'm attractive and she just found out I recently became single - or a sly sales tactic - as a matter of fact, all of the salespersons who came into the presentation seemed to "match" their respective client(s) - coincidence??? Damn I feel like an idiot!!! I called them tonight to cancel after a family member recommended I search them on the intranet, but they were closed. I will call them first thing Monday, and see what happens. I realized the contract I had signed said "cannot be cancelled", but what specifically needs to be said to get them to let you off the hook? AG's office, BBB, my atty, etc., I'm from near Wilkes Barre Township and have some legal pull in a round about way in Luzerne County, did anyone ever go to court with them? They haven't even taken my deposit yet, but had given me 10 days, or they have my credit card on file and will charge it! As for the cruise, they told me to call and register but I think I'll pass. Glad I found you guys.

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Old 08-08-2009, 04:44 AM
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Well, I followed your advice. I called on the Monday following the day I signed up. I spoke to Lizette and she said a manager would have to contact me. I then sent an email to their "customer service" email address with my request to cancel. Later that day Sue called me and again asked the reason I wanted to cancel. I explained to her that after walking out of the presentation and reading the package I felt like I had been pressured, due mostly to the fact that I had not been given enough time to review their package and make a decision. The mere fact that I would spend several thousand dollars more if I didn't sign up immediately constitutes, in my opinion, "high pressure". She pointed out the fact that the contract I signed contained a "no cancellation" policy. My reply to was basically, that if she would agree with me to cancel then that clause would mean nothing - any contract can be cancelled if both parties agree - even a real estate sales contract that is often reviewed by attorneys. I was "pressured" to sign a contract without the advice of my attorney. Sue agreed to cancel but not after several attempts to sell me on a much lower 4 week vacation package. One important note is that I kept a very (overly) friendly, positive and complimentary tone throughout the entire conversation, complimenting her ofter on her great customer service and salemanship. She agreed to send a cancellation letter but after one week I called back mentioning I did not get one - Well I juts got one yesterday, stating "in the name of customer service" she agreed to cancel my membership. "Thank you Sue". I truely believe if S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E changed their sales strategy slightly to explain all the fine print, and maybe give a few days to review their contract, they would avoid all of the negativity and greatly improve their company. Truely, I believe the way they finance their properties is on your money, similar to any pension plan - they collect money today and use that to finance condos in all those areas, just hopefully they still have them and do not foreclose or go bankrupt years down the road (hmm, doesn't that sound like the recent mortgage crisis). With an $8k or $12k cash down payment you can put a downpayment on a small beach house in the Assateague/Chincoteague area as a friend of mine just did !!!

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:00 PM
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Re: S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E Vacations and D-O-W-D Marketin

So, why are the words "********" and "****" censored in all of the posts that didn't spell them "S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E" and "D-O-W-D?"

Seems a bit odd. Are they like the Fight Club?

By the way, I'm not affiliated with these advertisements right here:

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Old 04-23-2011, 08:12 PM
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Re: S-U-N-D-A-N-C-E Vacations and D-O-W-D Marketin

I logged into the site for the first time since 2008 and saw that I had a bunch of PMs and I wish I received them in a timely manner.

I got out of my contract by filing a complaint with the BBB and I did not hold back on how they pressured and harassed us, they did have a snide rebuttal but did release me from my contract. (I believe I was past the time frame or there is not a time frame in PA.. I will look into exactly when I did it further, and what the letter said)

If anyone has any questions though email me at MLoprete530@gmail.com and I will try to help. Sad to see they are still making it and in business.

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Old 08-15-2011, 04:19 PM
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Thanks so much to everybody who revived this thread of s u n d a n c e vacation scam. I went to six flags nj, signed up ( how naive ) and received an email from them to contact them. Immediately searched here in scam.com and saw this post, which i can imagine was so much longer before they conceled all these customers reviews. Of course, will neve call them or answer them, thanks for saving me from this scam !!'!!!!!

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Old 08-19-2011, 03:51 AM
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In case after case of sales organizations that use the sweepstakes ruse as a means of skirting the Do-Not-Call regulations the FTC has taken remedial action and have repeatedly ruled that sweepstakes entry forms, not-with-standing the alleged fine print disclosures, do not waive the consumers’ privacy rights under the DNC legislation. Yet ******** Vacations aka SunScam Vacations, continues to defy the DNC regulations! What does that say about the ethics and integrity of the company? What it says is that ******** Vacations doesn’t care about what may be illegal or unethical; rather all they care about is what they can get away with!

(1) http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/04/rascal.shtm

(2) http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/01/westgate.shtm

(3) http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/11/dncpress.shtm


Also see:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boyco...72805172735470

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Old 08-22-2011, 09:13 AM
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Sondance Vacations

There is also a "Boycott Sondance Vacations" Facebook page.

If you go to that page there are hundreds of consumers' who have received full refunds following the advice of other Boycott page members.


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