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Old 04-27-2011, 07:09 AM
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Re: List of Chinese SCAM Sites

If they are a fake site that doesn't ship anything, those are not their tracking numbers. Those numbers could be from a similarly named company, a competitor, a legit company or be empty envelopes shipped to employees just to have tracking numbers to post.
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So i was on Besteway.com today and decided to look around to find out if it was good or bad. So far its been bad. How do they have tracking numbers if they don't send theyre products.
Or those could be that site's tracking numbers. One type of scam is to create a website, ship a few small, cheap items to make the site seem legit then stop shipping. The early buyers say the site is legit and have tracking numbers to "prove" that but shipping a few small, cheap items a few times does NOT mean the site will ever ship again. Sometimes a fake site will continue to ship those few small cheap items to help continue the scam. The larger, heavier, expensive items are never shipped. Without knowing exactly what was shipped, how much it cost, whether the item lasted 6 months or 6 days, how the buyer paid and whether the receiver even received the exact product they ordered, tracking numbers are useless.
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:23 AM
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But when i go to dhl.com and go to their tracking section after i put in the number it shows the whole route it took. some to australia some to america all over the place. some even have signatures.
the weirdest part is that the weight when that dhl says it is is usually more than a couple pounds. and if the order had more products it weighed more. somebody had 6 orders and it weighed 150 pounds. i mean it all connects.

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Old 07-29-2011, 02:49 PM
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Re: List of Chinese SCAM Sites

1. Give me the company name

Air Force One
http://www.getairforceoneshoes.com

2. Give me the address, office address, factory address or outlets address, or any address that is connected to them.

Lichenlong

Beijing, China

Postal Code: 100164

3. Give me their phone number, doesn’t matter whether landline or mobile.

008605947552100


Sent me the wrong Sneakers, called customer service and got nowhere, whatever you do DON'T order from them.



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Old 07-29-2011, 06:01 PM
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If one of these accept PayPal, is it safe to pay a small order? Can you file a credit card charge back if you got a problem?
Just curious - exactly what is it you're looking to buy that you can't find for a comparable price from a more mainstream online seller?

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Old 08-13-2011, 11:06 AM
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Re: List of Chinese SCAM Sites

More sites to add that are 100% scams -

www.wareshub.com
www.starbuysell.com
www.uniqueregion.com
www.doshopnow.com
www.reputedelecs.com

Take a good look at these sites and click online support services for each of these sites and you will have the same people - I lost money (they stole money from me). Just dont allow these sites to continue -they will take your money 100% of time. everything is fake and they are theives.

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Old 08-14-2011, 06:09 AM
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You did a good job. Continue posting about such scam sites.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:36 AM
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Re: List of Chinese SCAM Sites

This is a very short list! If you want to see the BIG Back List of China Scam Web Sites visit this link of over 9,500 Chinese scam sites.

http://www.globaltrade.net/promo/Chi..._WebSites.html


For an International Black List of fraud and scam companies and individuals, this is the most comprehensive list I have ever seen:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/blacklist.html

For a global listing of people who do not pay their bills, check this link:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/DebtorDatabase.html

If someone has cheated you in China of $50,000 USD or more, these people can get your money back cheaper and quicker than lawyers:

http://www.globaltrade.net/internati...ts-Abroad.html

If you own a small or mid-sized business - be aware of these current Chinese scams that are VERY believable:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/scamalert.html

And if you want to earn $10,000 exposing a Chinese Scam - go here:

http://mps.beijingtoday.com.cn/view.php?id=2349

Take it from someone who lived in China for more than ten years, this place is still like a box of chocolates...

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:02 PM
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International Fraud Black List - America, China,

DUE DILIGENCE: If you do not know what these two words mean you will eventually become a victim of fraud!

Before making any large purchase or investment in China, America, Canada, Australia, or the U.K. take 30 minutes of your life and read some black lists compiled from previous victims...

You can find China horror stories all over the Internet, but if you just want the most current list of over 9,500 Chinese scammers and their bank account nos. visit the web site of the China Trade Commission which has been doing global due diligence and private investigations and collections in China since 1996. Their web site is www.ChinaTradeCommission.org

If you want to see the BIG Back List of China Scam Web Sites visit this link of over 9,500 Chinese scam sites. (Don't buy anything from these web sites!)

http://www.globaltrade.net/promo/Chi..._WebSites.html


For an International Black List of over 30,0000 fraud and scam companies and individuals from America, China, Australia, and the U.K. this is the most comprehensive list I have ever seen:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/blacklist.html

For a global listing of people who do not pay their bills, check this link:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/DebtorDatabase.html

If someone has cheated you in China of $50,000 USD or more, these people can get your money back cheaper and quicker than lawyers:

http://www.globaltrade.net/internati...ts-Abroad.html

If you own a small or mid-sized business - be aware of these current Chinese scams that are VERY believable:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/scamalert.html

And if you want to earn $10,000 exposing a Chinese Scam - go here:

http://mps.beijingtoday.com.cn/view.php?id=2349

Take it from someone who lived in China for more than ten years, this place is still like a box of chocolates...

(We here at Scam Patrol have cooperated with the CTC in the past and they have always provided accurate and timely information)
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:26 AM
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China Trade Commission is itself a fraud. Their website www.ChinaTradeCommission.org and www.ChinaTradeCommission.com are both entered in aa419.org's fakesitedatabase. Note the thread here: http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=51665 They registered their domains on July 3, 2011 yet they claim they have been around since 1996 and that they were established "during the Clinton Administration to be a primary facilitator and commercial bridge between entrepreneurs between East & West which required professional due diligence, arbitration, international debt collection, foreign registrations, company certifications, executive cross-cultural training, governmental intercession, international expediting, immigration & visa services, licensing, market research, sales leads & referrals, private investigations, corruption control, and general legal consulting in China, America, Australia, Canada and the U.K."

That's a suspect claim considering the domain was purchased less than two months ago:

Domain ID:D162691007-LROR
Domain Name:CHINATRADECOMMISSION.ORG Created On:03-Jul-2011 09:47:47 UTC Last Updated On:17-Jul-2011 11:23:47 UTC Expiration Date:03-Jul-2012 09:47:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Name:Ji Yum Registrant Organization:Investor Svcs Int. Registrant Street1:610 Kedleston Way Registrant City:Mississauga
Registrant State/Province:Ontario Registrant Postal Code:L5G 4T6
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Phone:+1.4168274442
Registrant Email:ISI@post.com A Canadian investment group is behind a Chinese trade commission?


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Old 09-01-2011, 05:18 PM
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REGARDING THE ABOVE POST OF MYSTERY GUEST A.K.A. "POIROT" A.K.A. "SHUECRAFT". My names is Kevin Tyler and I do not hide behind fictitious screen names. I have been doing professional due diligence work with the China Trade Commission for almost 11 years. I am an American military veteran in my 40s, married to a Chinese girl who is an environmental activist in a large well-known NGO. We have two kids and we have lived in China for 12 years. I will answer any legitimate email sent to me and unlike our competitor, represented ** the three entities identified above, have no hidden agendas.

The China Trade Commission submitted a total of 3 quite civil rebuttals to respond to unfounded comments made maliciously ** our competitor on the Fraudwatcher.org "public forum" but the rebuttals which were detailed and addressed every point were not published. IN FACT THEY WERE CENSORED. The second rebuttal is posted below to give you an idea of why they refuse to print embarrassing rebuttals that discredit their allegations.

For many years I have been a fan of that forum, and frankly have used them as an investigative resource from time to time. But when individual posters start making false abuse reports to get our ads and links from 5-10 years ago deleted just so he can say "we can find nothing on the internet" is highly unethical and is nothing short of abusive harassment of a competitor which knows full well there is NO RECORD OF ANY COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CTC IN ANY COUNTRY ** ANYONE WHO SAYS WE CHEATED THEM IN ANY WAY (Our last member complaint was in 2006 and was amicably resolved within 48 hours)

Only because we recently switched our hosting from a .cn account n China to a U.S. server (after 7 years of constant hacking and blocking in China - just like YouTube, Google, and Facebook who also refuse to censor). the above unknown entity automatically assumed we are some scam. We have been working in China since 1996, the first 8 years as free volunteers and within the last 8 years, we charge for our due diligence reports (you can get a FREE sample ** sending an email to dds[at]ChinaTradeCommission.org. When you read a sample report you will understand why we charge for them. Getting information on Chinese companies is not easy, and is quite tedious and time consuming.

We have been doing a lot of community service and CSR work in China as well, and anyone who calls or contacts any large mall in Beijing or Las Vegas/Los Angeles magician Rob Rasner will discover that we have been sponsoring FREE Santa Claus visits and over 16 FREE magic shows, and Halloween Parties for Kids for many years. We started the Santa program in 1998 and we've been bringing the Magician Rasner to China since 2005, and the FREE Halloween parties started in 2007. The CTC never advertised until 2008 - to all the executives who came to see the Olympics. Because of that one ad, most of our business is now generated from referrals.

We now do/did due diligence work for 2 large banks, 34 public companies, 4 MNCs, a handful of head-hunters, and over 1,600 accredited investors and do the background checks for two local universities when they hire foreign professors. We used to also did work for a huge credit bureau until they asked us to lie for them related to a law suit in which THEY were the defendant. We have never been sued for anything.

We issued over 200 global fraud alerts and were the first to warn people about the famous "Beijing Bandit", Jack Ma & Alipay, China Media Express, and we recently issued a fraud report about 24 suspect Chinese public companies, and over 200 charity scams (send an email for the free details). We have cooperated with 3 federal law enforcement agencies and China's equivalent of the SEC. One of our tips inadvertently turned into a bust of a huge counterfeiting ring a few years back. (we reported them for one crime but the resulting investigation let to the counterfeit bust)

As of today our web site has been hacked 3 times in the last two weeks from IP addresses identified to be within five miles of our accusers, and these same unnamed mystery posters have made 37 false abuse reports to get all of our 49 press releases and internet ads deleted - going back to 2008. Why?

Yes, We absolutely agree that a lot of frauds and scams come out of China but guess what folks? Not everyone who lives and works here in China is a fraud. 90% of all business done in China is problem and fraud-free. It is the the other 10% that keeps us very busy. We have published over 30 FREE articles on global fraud prevention (send an email for free samples). We have held 12 FREE risk management and fraud prevention seminars in the last three years (we have charged for 5 others as well). See attachments and please visit our site when it is not being hacked.

BTW... "Shuecraft" operates a similar public forum but blocks any posts from 8 countries including China which makes it virtually impossible for anyone to defend themselves with a rebuttal. How can a forum be "public" if those accused cannot speak up and be heard equally, or when supporters are banned from speaking out?

We ourselves have been wrong about people/companies that we first thought to be frauds. It happens. We just expect and want some fairness, objectivity, and an apology. We are willing to work with any legitimate party to expose frauds but our primary allegiance is to our members and paying clients. When we have a shortage of either, our volunteers will provide free database searches as they often do - based on availability.

Anyway, Here is the 2nd of 3 rebuttals that were censored from the Fraudwatcher site and they are self-explanatory:


"Dear Gentlemen,

We have sent a private message to your administrator attempting to explain/clarify why we choose to operate the way we do. We have not received any reply from the administrator but continue to get beaten up publicly ** an unknown entity hidden behind a screen name.


This will be our final rebuttal on this matter since we very much understand that ANYONE operating in China these days is suspect. We all agree on that point. Now to be very clear the only thing we have to hide is some of our sources of information here in China. As you probably all know, corruption is king in this country. Anyone who followed the Jack Ma, Alipay, Yahoo scandal a few months ago, or does business here in China, knows exactly what we are talking about. For those not familiar with the case, you can read about it here:


http://www.forbes.com/sites/gadyepst...ds-to-say-more/

Our mission has always been the same as yours - global due diligence. Unfortunately gents you do not have offices, courier expenses, Private Investigators, translators, and travel expenses to pay for. We do. That is why we charge for due diligence reports, just like a dozen other companies here. We charge a flat rate - not hourly like most law firms.


Yes, as we stated previously, we changed our web site hosting outside of China BECAUSE when we had a .cn domain (for over 7 years) we were constantly hacked and blocked anytime we even suggested a corrupt Chinese official might be connected to an Alibaba or other scam. In 2009 we were hacked and blocked 67 times and even more after we started investigating a certain government official in Guangzhou (where almost 80% of the export fraud takes place). Google and others have suffered similar persecution when they refuse to censor information on line. China's regime does not reward whistle-blowers - they punish or deport them, just as three of our volunteers were a few years back after they exposed a corrupt vice mayor that was soliciting bribes on a real estate project near Bejing. His arrest and imprisonment is no longer a secret. Google Liu Zhihua, Beijing Vice Mayor for details or see this link:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3209...s-scandal.html


We have had our modest offices vandalized 3 times in the last 5 years after we started investigating Charity Fraud in China. Of the 1800+ registered charities in China, 42% of them are deemed to be legitimate and there is very little transparency here. Even the Chinese Red Cross came under scrutiny after one of their employees (Ms. Guo Mei Mei was seen driving Lamborghinis around Beijing). On Line due diligence sites do not see nor get these tips - we do. Since we live here 24/7 we have to be careful how we expose these scams. We do not have the sanctuary of the internet nor fictitious screen names. Our wives and children live here gents. Many of us are married into Chinese families and only 7 of us are Chinese citizens. To safeguard our safety and that of our families, we must operate discreetly until the political environment in China changes.

One of our investigators had his car set on fire, and two of us were beaten after we inquired about some shady characters exporting broken and defective merchandise from Fujian Province tied to Alibaba and Trade Key ads.


If we were operating only in cyberspace (like Fraudwatchers), we would be much more vocal and naming a lot more names. We did play a role in another 2009 corruption bust is south China in 2001. We were the informant in the case and when no police action was being taken we had to threaten to put the matter on-line and in foreign newspapers. Three days later they opened the investigation. See this link:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_12481859.htm


We also do undercover quality control and corruption checks for foreign companies who suspect that their Chinese JV partner may be taking bribes. We have been successful in 119 of 135 cases thus far. It is very easy to get corrupted China which we joke amongst ourselves "Is the land of low hanging fruit".


Now to be super clear here are facts that are verifable and well-known to our membership:


• We do not solicit anyone ** email nor telephone. Never have and never will.


• 65% of our business comes from referrals


• At present our primary business is due diligence, collections, executive training, & arbitration


• None of our board members collect a salary


• Of 57 staffers, 36 are volunteers and some are retired military or law enforcement officers

• Our published email is gmail only because we get a lot of nasty spam from people we have exposed in the past.

Our operational email accounts are mostly all named accounts hosted with our domain. Those who do business with us know how to reach us.

• Our last member complaint was in 2006 and was resolved with 48 hours concerning a travel agent we referred that overcharged one our member


• We are not aware of any other complaint against any of our staff anywhere, other than from the former vice mayor of Shenzhen who we helped t expose a few years ago.


• We do not sell any personal ID information of members nor those who make inquiries.


• We do not process nor accept Credit Card nor Western Union payments for anything


• We are not a government agency and never claimed to be. Our origin is Hong Kong (1996) and the CTC board meetings took place in Hugo's Restaurant of the Old Hyatt Regency near the Kimberly Hotel in Kowloon. Two of our founding members are well known in America for their work with AIDS activism and Greenpeace during the Clinton era and one of them was publicly commended ** President Clinton in 1997. One of them passed away, and if the other wants to step forward he is welcome and free to do so.


• Prior to 2008 we did not publicly advertise. Our first advertisement was to corporate executives who came to see the Beijing Olympics.


But there are two issues where we can see where there may be a problem and we are addressing them now: The immigration issue your Mr. Poirot referred to is a bit dated and the words "contingent upon successful medical and security clearance" should have been added. As we mentioned earlier inquiries about visa and immigration are referred to an immigration law firm and we merely published the material they furnished to us. It will be corrected or deleted as soon as our webmaster returns from vacation.


The other issue is Ms. Chin. Yes, we do collect information from many sources including Ms. Chin and all information is eventually collated into one database that we make available to our members. She offers the information on line for free and we gladly accepted her generosity. We also have our own resources and database of over 8,000 scam websites, of which more than half are not listed anywhere else (as far as we know)

Fraudwatchers does a good job and we often and regularly refer people to your site who cannot afford to pay for a professional due diligence investigation. We also refer them to other sites as well. We offer free samples of our DD reports and it costs time and money to compile this info, which is especially difficult and tedious to acquire in China as compared to Canada or America. We'd like to think we do a good job as well. We have exposed over 200 stock frauds since 2007, and quite a few charity frauds as well, one of which will be in the news within the next 30 days.

No one organization can find and expose every scam. We have offered to cooperate and assist you in China or elsewhere where we have resources. We are not always successful, but are better than most on collections and due diligence.


We are accountable and loyal only to our members and clients. We are subcontracted ** two banks with more than 150 branches in China, 3 Head Hunting Firms, and have done DD work for 1,627 accredited investors over the years, and now help two universities in China do background checks on foreign professors who come to China to teach. We have cooperated many times with U.S., Canadian, Australian, and U.K. authorities in the past, and three of those cooperations resulted in major arrests including a multi-million dollar counterfeiting operation.

We have been contacted ** three of our CTC members who claimed they attempted to post their favorable comments about our work for them over more than five years but that Fraudwatchers did not post their comments. Frankly we think this is not fair and very much like the censorship we encounter daily here in China. Perhaps even more people attempted to defend us - we simply have no way of knowing.


Not everyone in China is a thief or scammer, but there are still over 30,000 scammers operating here (that we know of) and we do our best to issue fraud alerts and update our database accordingly. People are welcome to do their own due diligence, use Fraudwatchers or any other due diligence service including ours. When hired we operate on a best efforts basis and do the best possible job we can for our clients. Since 58% of them are repeat clients we are content. Just so you know, 90% of all business transactions in China are problem and fraud free. But the other 10% represents over $300 million per month in losses and will keep both Fraudwatchers and the CTC busy for quite some time.


We notice that Fraudwatchers also does not publish their office location for Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. and frankly it make no difference to us when their web site became operational or when it changed. We note that Fraudwatchers also put up their web site 5 years after their copyright dates (2005 & 2000 respectively):


DomainID:D106450018-LROR
DomainName:FRAUDWATCHERS.ORG
CreatedOn:27-May-2005 14:25:06 UTC
Last Updated On: 03-May-2011 10:10:01 UTC
Expiration Date:27-May-2012 14:25:06 UTC


But this means very little to us. So long as Fraudwatchers continues to provide useful and valuable information we will continue to use it as another investigative tool. Actually, your FW site twice gave leads in the last year that led us to people we were looking for. Fraudwatchers uses fictitious screen names. Our clients get to meet us face to face and learn our real names, get our business cards, and inspect our passports before we sign any contract with them. My name is Kevin Tyler, and I have been working with the CTC almost 11 years - off and on due to family issues and a medical condition that kept me from working over a year. I am a military veteran in my 40s, a university graduate, (majored in criminology and psychology) and those that know me know that I would not associate with anything that is unethical. My wife is Chinese and very active with a well known environmental activist organization. We have two kids and none of us like the current situation in China regarding scams and corruption.


This episode with Fraudwatchers has been a valuable lesson and wake-up call for us as we are now having legal counsel review our site and we will soon be adding a disclaimer page, perhaps quite similar to the one used ** Fraudwatchers. I again invite your administrator to contact me directly if you know of any complaints, need cooperation, or want to address other issues. I think it is counter-productive and difficult for us discuss this matter openly, at least for us as we have three Charity fraud investigations on-going at this time, and we need people to cooperate with us. Until you visit China you cannot possibly know how hard it is to blow a whistle here without being immediately and relentlessly persecuted. The locals can only do it either anonymously on the net, from the safety of another country or through a group of foreigners like us that they trust over a period of time. You'd be amazed where we get some of our tips. We applaud Ms. Chin for her noble efforts and hope we can cooperate in the future as required.


In closing, if anyone does not understand any of the above or still has questions, please refer to our web site or contact me directly at K.Tyler[at]ChinaTradeCommission. We will not be baited into responding to any further public attacks from anyone. All of our work requires a great deal of privacy and confidentiality as any investigator will attest. Thank you all for your consideration and objectivity. Stay well and prosper. We await your reply.

Sincerely,


Kevin Tyler
Operations Manager
Beijing


P.S. We also sponsored 16 free magic shows for kids in Beijing over the last 3 years and you can call the las vegas magician who performed and ask him (Rob Rasner). We have also done dozens of Creative Kids Seminars, testing, etc. and these malicious people are trying get us deleted completely from the Internet, and so far YOU guys are helping them!!!! We were the first to bring Santa Claus to China in 1998! See these links...



http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...3/7203665.html



http://english.cri.cn/6566/2010/12/24/902s611843.htm



http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/57687/


DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A FRAUD TO YOU??? Does ANYTHING in our news releases look like a fraud to you? Frauds have victims. Who and where are the victims? Thank you for your time review of this matter. We await your response.


Sincerely,


Kevin Tyler
Operations Manager
China Trade Commission


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Old 09-02-2011, 11:43 AM
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Iphoneunlockuk.com

Iphoneunlockuk.com is a scam webpage.
They got supported ** Nochex payment services.

Iphoneunlockuk.com not answering e-mails and not deliver what you pay for.

Nochex is hard to contact and say on their webpage that they not responsible for any fraud.

Please not order anything with Iphoneunlockuk.com

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Old 09-03-2011, 10:00 PM
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My friend who works for UNICEF in Beijing is the one who turned me on to the China Trade Commission and she says that she personally took her kids to see a Free Las Vegas Magician in 2009, (She even recalled his name was Rob Rasner), a free Halloween Party in 2008, and to see Santa Claus at You Yi Shopping City for the last three years and they were all sponsored ** The China Trade Commission. She said they passed out a lot of brochures last year warning people about charity fraud. She also tried to enroll her daughter in some free CTC Chinese classes but said the class was already full.

She never hired the CTC for anything but said she's been checking their web site for fraud alerts for over five years and she actually met one of the shysters that was featured on-line at a government banquet! She also confirmed something in the rebuttal above... she said that about half of the time she would visit the old .cn site over the last few years it was blocked. This blocking is very common in China. Just look at this wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...ublic_of_China

At times I cannot even access my Stanford Alumni blog if someone has anything posted that criticizes the Chinese Government - even about SARS, the milk scandal, pollution, and especially about Tibet, Taiwan and corruption. Anybody who uses Google or gmail in China knows all about this kind or blockage and bandwidth restrictions used to keep people in the dark. This Google story was headlines here about a year ago,

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/scien...le1_03-23.html

These people seem to be doing a good job and it looks like their is some friction between two on-line snoopers - nit picking each other over petty stuff. I think there is enough fraud going around to keep everyone busy and focused on the bad guys - not each other.

I also found another 2009 link that proves these CTC guys were operating at least two years ago in 2009 giving free birthday parties for Soccer kids in Beijing.

http://www.wanguoqunxing.com/cms8/mo...rticle&sid=600

I think if they were scamming people there would be some complaints posted ** now from people who lost money. I don't see any on-line anywhere.

All of this and the above rebuttal made me really curious, so I called over there and hand a 10 minute chat with a young guy name Kir** (from Vancouver) and he said the same person attacking them online has been filing false abuse reports to all the media outlets and managed to get 57 ads and 39 links deleted. He also said the same person was trying to hack their web site and was trying to upload stuff without their permission. When I asked how he knew it was the same guy, he said the IP addresses are the same. This is really a low thing to do. Is sabotaging a competitor on line like this a crime? Here's one last article to show you just how powerful and common censorship in China really is,

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/...deal-in-china/

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Old 09-04-2011, 02:37 AM
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Re: List of Scam Websites

My government contact confirmed what I already suspected about this CTC outfit – they are SCAM BAITERS – people who troll for shysters. This is probably why we do not see trails of links going back past 2008. From what I read at their web site, I think they are targeting charity frauds. And I see on-line that they already snagged quite a few. I hope they keep going and nail more of the scumbags!

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Old 09-04-2011, 03:31 AM
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Re: List of Scam Websites

Well guess what friends? I am one of the three people that got censored at Fraudwatchers trying to post my two cents in favor of the China Trade Commission. I am a P.I. based in HK and most of my work is chasing down Las Vegas and Macau casino deadbeats (Chinese love to gamble and then skip town without paying their debts).



I know some of the CTC trackers for almost a decade and they have done database searches for me on about a dozen cases. So far they only failed me once. I don’t want to get in the middle of other people’s feuds but these guys have always been straight up with me, and I referred a few of my friends to Kevin and the gang over the years and never got any negative feedback of anyone getting burned.



And I have to tell you, these guys have balls to go after people like Jack Ma and the Alibaba sly guys. About 40% of everything listed on Alibaba.com and Made-In-China.com is one fraud or another, and most have links with one crooked government official or another. Pointing fingers at these guys is not good for your health in China if you know what I mean. Check out these links and you ‘ll see exactly what I mean…


http://cpg-retail-litigation.kotchen.com/2008/12/whistleblowers-in-china-sent-to-mental.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2010/0830/Attack-on-China-whistleblower-shows-risk-of-unveiling-corruption-fraud

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/28/1011455/-The-true-cost-of-persecuting-whistleblowers:-Chinese-factories-still-making-poisoned-food

Unless they rape, murder or swindle someone, the CTC will always get my full support. They are mostly military vets, retired coppers, with a few computer geeks from Canada, the U.K. Australia, and the U.S. My 12 year old son grew up in Beijing & Hong Kong with CTC activities like the annual Magic Shows, Halloween Parties, and visits from Santa.



If you read this Kevin, give my best to Sandra and your dad. I'm going to email a copy of these posts to Ed and I'm sure he'll call in the cavalry for you boys. Oh, here’s an unrelated but most interesting bone to chew on just to show you how risky the due diligence business can be…


http://www.china.org.cn/world/2011-0...t_23018268.htm

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Old 09-04-2011, 08:44 AM
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China Trade Commission is a Scam and a Fraud

Dear CTC-BEIJING:

1. You state repeatedly that that you had a .cn domain for 7 years before you registered the domains www.chinatradecommission.org and www.chinatradecommission.org on July 9, 2011. Again, what was that domain name so that everyone can verify your story?

2. None of the many mainstream news articles you cite mention the China Trade Commission in them, so your extravagant claims, are again unverified. In fact, none of the many claims you make can be independently verified. Several articles state a person playing Santa Clause stated that he was a member of CTC. There is no way to verify that his statement was true and these stories date to late 2009. One of the stories says a U.S. delegate to CTC played Santa Claus, which doesn't appear to relate to your organization as you have nothing to do with the Chinese or U.S. government. For argument sake, let's say its true. If that's the extent of your record, putting on magic shows and exposing Chinese children to Santa Claus, that's laudable, however, how does that show that you are due diligence experts since 1996?

3. Fraudwatchers, does not compete with you, its a non-profit organization, you are for profit. We do not do due diligence, we specifically state that. Due Diligence and Request for Legitimate Businesses Additionally, we have nothing to do with Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. They make the software that runs our forum. How could a true due diligence expert make such infantile mistakes? Moreover, how could you have referred people who wanted free due diligence reports to FW when FW does not not and has never provided that service? We concern ourselves with scams and fraudsters and that is the reason you have come to our attention. You charge $5,000 for memberships. That's a lot of money to pay for an organization that makes unverified claims that it has been around since 1996, yet its domains were registered two months ago and the registrant is an investor group in Canada. I would go so far as to say its a scam.

4. You state:

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As of today our web site has been hacked 3 times in the last two weeks from IP addresses identified to be within five miles of our accusers, and these same unnamed mystery posters have made 37 false abuse reports to get all of our 49 press releases and internet ads deleted - going back to 2008. Why?
Are you really accusing Fraudwatchers of hacking your website? That's absurd! What IP addresses were identified to be within 5 miles of your accusers? Which "accusers" specifically? Three members of FW have posted concerns about your organization, so which IP address are you referring to? All of them? How would you know that these were the same IP addresses of the unnamed mystery posters that made the 37 false abuse reports? No website accepts an anonymous abuse report! This is typical of your ridiculous assertions, assertions which your shill, Chuck_In_China, echoed. That's one of the reasons we delete shill posts. You make wild accusations you cannot substantiate. Provide some evidence that 37 false abuse reports were filed to remove your free press releases. Provide some evidence that your website was hacked and the IP addresses of the persons who hacked it. I should think your hosting company would gladly provide that. The same hosting company that suspended your sites for copyright infringement. Is that the hacking you are referring to?

5. You say false abuse reports resulted in some of your free press releases being removed. Well first, if the abuse reports were false, why were the free press releases removed? Second, the free press releases are not verifiable and purely promotional. Each one of these websites state that they simply print the press release you give them, they don't verify your claims, so a free press release can contain false information, which is exactly why they were removed. For example this is what www.i-newswire.com states "We do not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of information on or available through this site, and we are not responsible for inaccuracies or omissions in that information or for actions taken in reliance on that information."

6. One of your so-called scam lists was the work of Fran Chen and was posted on Fraudwatchers and copyrighted. Neither Ms. Chan or FW charge for access to the list. Yet you took the list, put your own copyright on it and then tried to sell it! That is why your website was suspended.

7. You took a picture of someone from Facebook who was not connected to your organization and stated that it was one of your staff members. When Fraudwatchers pointed this out, your removed all the "pictures" of your supposed staff which certainly would confirm the fraud. We have a backup of your site before you removed the fake picture.

8. You make a litany of claims that cannot be independently verified, including that CTC, was created in 1996 yet there is no mention of a for-profit China Trade Commission or any mention of your websites on the internet, outside of free press releases that you put out which date back only one year. All the evidence that can easily be independently verified shows your organization to have been created in July 9, 2011 when your domains were registered. There is nothing on the internet, outside of your free press releases, that conclusively shows that "CTC" has done any thing in the way of due diligence, fighting or exposing fraud in China.

9. You state that there is no evidence that any of your members have ever complaining about you. Well nobody at FW ever said that there were complaints from your members. We don't wait for complaints from victims of a scam to point it out. Considering you have been in "business" for only two months perhaps you don't have any members yet or none of them have realized they have been scammed.

10. Various posters claim that they are members of "CTC" or that they are on the staff of "CTC", or that CTC helped them, or they knew of CTC or remember CTC back in 2008 or knew someone who knew about CTC or whatever. There is no way to verify that these people or who they say they are or what they say is true. Second hand, unverifiable claims do not outweigh what is verifiable on the internet. Yes, there is a lot of fraud in China, however, you appear to contributing to the problem, not solving it.

See:

Fraudwatchers - China Trade Commission is a scam.

CyberCrimeOps -ChinaTradeCommission.ORG & COM - High Price Commercial Sham

Domain registration for www.chinatradecommission.org

Domain registration for www.chinatradecommission.com

Google China Trade Commission

Google chinatradecommission.org


Google chinatradecommission.com


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Old 09-04-2011, 05:05 PM
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ENOUGH ALREADY! If mystery guest (who uses three different screen names at fraudwatchers) wants to sign his real name and legal service address on his accusations we will deal with this properly - in court. Until then, the facts are still the same as can indeed be verified ** the abuse department of our Hosting company:

1. Mystery Guest and his alter egos is a direct competitor of ours who has not only filed false abuse reports to get our 50+ ads and press releases going back to 2008 deleted, but has been hacking our site and uploading unauthorized material which has since been deleted. This is both unethical and criminal. We also belive he is responsible for over 5000 duplicate emails and a VOIP auto-dialer that has been programmed to call our telephone numbers continuously. This nonsense is childish and has been reported to the authorities.

2. Our membership is closed for the year and will reopen in May of 2012 We have never solicited anyone ** email or telephone. 65% of our business is from referrals. Almost half of our staff are volunteers, and none of our board members collect a salary.

3. Our due diligence reports are some of the best in the world and Fraudwatchers was provide a copy of a sample. We also wrote to the site administrator of Fraudwatchers 3 times and they do not eve give the courtesy of a reply. One of their moderators stepped over the ethics line when he began censoring anything that contradicted or disproved his assumptions and claims. There was no foul or hateful language in our rebuttals that justified censorship.

4. Nobody has ever accused the CTC of cheating or fraud since 1996. Our last complaint was in 1996 and involved us referring a member to a travel agent who overcharged. The dispute was settled in 48 hours.

5. At least 3 people (that we know of) including Bandit Buster tried to defend us at Fraudwatchers.org and their posts were censored even though that is supposed to be a "public forum". Read his comments on this Scam.com site and see if there is anything there that deserves to be censored.

6. Fraudwatchers did mention one valid point about the misleading immigration ad and we deleted it after we explained to everyone that that ad comes from an immigration law firm that we subcontract, and it was our negligence in not catching the slip in wording. Nobody is perfect my friend.

7. As for Ms. Chin's list Mystery Guest and Fraudwatchers continues to beat a dead horse. Be advised we have openly admitted that about half of her names overlap with our own and those that we collect elsewhere. Just like Fraudwatchers, we include them on line as "a sampling" of what is in our master database. Further we provide an email database of the scammers and neither Fraudwatchers nor Ms. Chin provides those. Our Scam Website blacklist now has at least 400 more listings than Ms. Chin. You also fail to mention that the noble and generous Ms. Chin offers those lists for FREE right on her website for anyone who wants them - including us. We have since replaced her "sampling" with our own on our website, just to placate our attacking competitor. Please see this link which is 100% ours:

http://www.chinatradecommission.org/blacklist.html

8. Our three rebuttals addressed every point raised in detail and had they not been censored, this matter would be moot already.

9. Those who have known and dealt with us over the years support us and feed us referrals. Those who don't know us are free to believe Mystery Guest or any other anonymous accuser with a grudge. Or they can contact us directly and get samples of our past work. We do not charge ** the hour and our collection fees are mostly contingent upon whether we can collect or not. Anyone who lived or worked in China knows very well things are different here and a bit dangerous in our business because you never really know who is behind a scam until you perhaps get a deportation notice, a beating, or your wife gets a threatening call. We will continue to operate as we always have - discreetly and with extreme caution.

10. Our legal counsel has already satisfied the hounds that mystery guest unleashed on us and confirmed our original establishment in 1996 in HK and transfer to Beijing in 2009, and or old .cn fiasco and constant harassment we get from corrupt officials in China. Yes, we are no longer non-profit as we were in the good old days, but unlike Fraudwatchers, we pay rent, salaries, couriers costs, travel and other expenses. Yes, we even make a profit, but we don't cheat people. We currently do sub-contract work for banks, accredited investors, public companies (when there is no conflict of interests), head-hunters, casinos, and 2 local universities. Nobody is forced to hire us - they choose to do so, no matter how badly Mystery Guest and his 2 other identities continue to smear us. Fraudwatchers, Sam.com, and other sites have always provided us with valuable clues in the past, and we will continue to use them as a peripheral resource for our investigations. Our gripe is only with a certain moderator who thinks censorship is just fine on a public forum. Imagine accusing someone and then only allowing them to rebut on-line when it is convenient for him and deleting anything that disproves his false assumptions?!? Then when our lawyer wants to make a public post he bans our access to the site! Hardly ethical behavior unless you live in North Korea or work for the Chinese government.

In closing, I thank everyone for their objectivity. Anyone who wants our free fraud-prevention, due diligence, and international collections publications (like the ones attached) or samples of our due diligence reports only need to send us an email request. We will not be responding further unless our legal counsel advises otherwise.

Best wishes to all and a well-earned public commendation to Ms. Chin who does a great job.

Kevin Tyler
Operations Manager
China Trade Commission
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:08 PM
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CORRECTION OF TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR:

"4. Nobody has ever accused the CTC of cheating or fraud since 1996. Our last complaint was in 1996 and involved us referring a member to a travel agent who overcharged. The dispute was settled in 48 hours" should read:

4. Nobody has ever accused the CTC of cheating or fraud since 1996. Our last complaint was in 2006 and involved us referring a member to a travel agent who overcharged. The dispute was settled in 48 hours

Sorry for the slip friends.

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Old 09-04-2011, 07:48 PM
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Is This the same CTC?

Hello... My name is Wei Fu Ying and I am graduate from Peking University, and I be much confused. Please to tell me if this is the same China Trade Commission. I now work as loan consultant and translator for Beijing bank. I know Lee, Kevin and Deng from China Trade Commission back in 2007 when I have to translate for my boss to them at a meeting. These CTC people were hired to find and collect moneys borrow from our bank and not repayed. The four person who owe money go abroad and do not repay. It is large amount that they owe. One of debtors be the son of rich government official. My contact for this problem was Lee (I don’t know if I allow put full name of Lee or debtors here?) The CTC people do find 3 of the debtors but only 2 can pay. Other in San Francisco have no money to pay. Number 4 debtor also cheat casino in Macau and nobody see him since 2008 (we think he may pass to another life). My husband do small export business for bicycles and use this cool Fraudwatcher web site and show me these things about China Trade Commission. I am not member of CTC but meet many at CTC Christmas Party in 2008 and never hear bad things. I think may be unfair to say bad thing about people you do not meet or know? I now work at different branch but I call my old boss and he say Lee still do collection work for bank and do good job. Who be cheated and how much? Please to send me name and telephone of person who be cheated and I will warn my bank if this things be true. But is this the same CTC you are talking about?


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