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Old 06-16-2011, 04:13 AM
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Wire transfer scam?

So I need some advice...

I am selling a chair online and have had someone email about it almost straight away saying that she is out of the country at the moment but wants the chair without even looking at it. She wants me to send my bank details so she can do a wire transfer. She will then pickup the chair when she is back.

I've not given her my details and I smell a rat. Am i being over cautious?

Her emails are always very polite and formal.

Thanks for any advice.


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Old 06-16-2011, 05:34 AM
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Re: Wire transfer scam?

your sense of smell is good. don't engage this person in any transaction or engage any person in strange transactions.

you are offering to sell to somebody who can come and buy. this person is busy traveling. travel, travel, travel, all the time. so why would that person ever need a chair?

whatever they tell you about themselves will not check out. they will pay you with stolen funds and insist that you wire part or all of the money to somebody, somewhere.

the victim that is missing the stolen funds won't be able to find the traveler, but will be able to find you and make you pay.

btw, the reason paypal was created is so you would would never have to give your bank details to any stranger to buy or sell on ebay, internet. don't.





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Old 06-16-2011, 06:59 PM
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Re: Wire transfer scam?

100% scam, I agree with mumbles

There is no buyer.

Notice how the scammer doesn't call what you are selling by name? He uses the generic word "item", that is because he sends the same stock copy/paste email to anyone selling everything that he can find and he has no idea what you are selling and doesn't care.

There is only a scammer trying to steal your hard-earned money.

The next email will be from another of the scammer's fake names and free email addresses pretending to be the "secretary/assistant/accountant" and will demand you accept a fake bank deposit. The deposit will be from a stolen credit card, hi-jacked paypal account or phished bank account. You are then suppose to withdrawal the money before your bank realizes the transfer was made with stolen money. You are suppose to send the "money" via Western Union or moneygram back to the scammer posing as the "supply company" while you "keep" a small portion. When the credit card/paypal/bank account owner realizes their money is in your account, your bank reverses the transfer now you get the real life job of paying back the bank for all the bank's money you sent to an overseas criminal.

The the local law enforcement agency comes knocking asking why are you accepting money from people you don't know, have never met and have no idea in what country they reside. By now your bank account is permanently closed and you are "black listed" by all financial institutions as someone who laundries money for criminals via Western Union or moneygram.

Western Union and moneygram do not verify anything on the form the sender fills out, not the name, not the street address, not the country, not even the gender of the receiver, it all means absolutely nothing. The clerk will not bother to check ID and will simply hand off your cash to whomever walks in the door with the MTCN# and question/answer. Neither company will tell the sender who picked up the cash, at what store location or even in what country your money walked out the door. Neither company has any kind of refund policy, money sent is money gone forever.

When you refuse to send him your cash he will send increasingly nasty and rude emails trying to convince you to go through with his scam. The scammer could also create another fake name and email address like "FBI@ gmail.com", "police_person @hotmail.com" or "investigator @yahoo.com" and send emails telling you the job is legit and you must cash the fake check and send your money to the scammer or you will face legal action. Just ignore, delete and block those email addresses. Although, reading a scammer's attempt at impersonating a law enforcement officer can be extremely funny.

Now that you have responded to a scammer, you are on his 'potential sucker' list, he will try again to separate you from your cash. He will send you more emails from his other free email addresses using another of his fake names with all kinds of stories of being the perfect buyer, great jobs, lottery winnings, millions in the bank and desperate, lonely, sexy singles. He will sell your email address to all his scamming buddies who will also send you dozens of fake emails all with the exact same goal, you sending them your cash via Western Union or moneygram.

You could post up the email address and the emails themselves that the scammer is using, it will help make your post more googlable for other suspicious potential victims to find when looking for information.

Do you know how to check the header of a received email? If not, you could google for information. Being able to read the header to determine the geographic location an email originated from will help you weed out the most obvious scams and scammers. Then delete and block that scammer. Don't bother to tell him that you know he is a scammer, it isn't worth your effort. He has one job in life, convincing victims to send him their hard-earned cash.

Whenever suspicious or just plain curious, google everything, website addresses, names used, companies mentioned, phone numbers given, all email addresses, even sentences from the emails as you might be unpleasantly surprised at what you find already posted online. You can also post/ask here and every scam-warner-anti-fraud-busting site you can find before taking a chance and losing money to a scammer.

If you google "fake check buyer scam", "fake Western Union buyer fraud" or something similar and you will find hundreds of posts of victims and near victims of this type of scam.

Any "buyer" who demands you cash a check or accept a large money transfer and send cash to the shipping company is ALWAYS a scammer.
Any "buyer" who uses the word "item" or "it" to describe what you are selling is a scammer.
Any "buyer" who doesn't want to look at what you are selling is a scammer.
Any "buyer" who tells you it is for a gift is a scammer.
Any "buyer" who mentions the words Western Union or moneygram for any reason is a scammer.
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