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Old 09-06-2006, 04:33 AM
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What are Morals and why don't Christians practice them?

How can anyone claim to be a Christian and still support this administration? That's like the blind leading the blind down the wide path to hell.
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Dr. Robin Meyers’ Speech on 11/04
http://www.newconnexion.net/article/...in_meyers.html

As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational Church in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church in northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City University. But you would most likely have encountered me on the pages of the Oklahoma Gazette, where I have been a columnist for six years, and hold the record for the most number of angry letters to the editor.

Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian. We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exactly what constitutes a moral Value — I mean what are we talking about? Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith.

We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does. Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side:

When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something immoral.

When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like that we must never return violence for violence and that those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are doing something immoral.

When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even count them, you are doing something immoral.

When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.

When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral.

When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called "enemy combatants" of the rules of the Geneva Convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral.

When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are with you, or with the terrorists—and then launch a war which enriches your own friends and seizes control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral.

When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.

When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you, you have done something immoral.

When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.

When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral.

When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth which is God's gift to us all, so that the corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something immoral. The earth belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton.

When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral. We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a "compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something immoral.

When you talk about Jesus constantly, who was a healer of the sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to see a doctor, even if she doesn't have a penny in her pocket, you are doing something immoral.

When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set women back a hundred years, and when you surround yourself with preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing something immoral. I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I must be a supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith. I'm tired of people saying that I can't support the troops but oppose the war.

I heard that when I was your age—when the Vietnam war was raging. We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war is wrong—the only question is how many people are going to die before these makebelieve Christians are removed from power?


This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people who can turn things around are people like you—young people who are just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them. It's your country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your future to take back.

Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut. Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists--so do all the faith traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith.

And war—war is the greatest failure of the human race—and thus the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song, whose lyrics say it all: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. And what is the dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to know that too many people have died? What if they gave a war and nobody came? Maybe one day we will find out.


Robin Meyers delivered this speech at a peace rally sponsored by United Campus Ministries at the University of Oklahoma in November 2004. Thanks to a few inspired students, his message was posted on the Internet, and has now gone around the world. Dr. Meyers’ latest book is "The Virtue in the Vice: Finding Seven Lively Virtues in the Seven Deadly Sins," a book Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls, "a frequently witty and thoughtful, persuasively argued exploration of the relationship between virtue and vice."
Due to overwhelming response a Live Journal blog has been created at www.livejournal.com/users/robinmeyers on which Meyers’ speech can be read and comments can be posted.
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Old 09-06-2006, 06:32 AM
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Re: What are Morals and why don't Christians practice them?

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How can anyone claim to be a Christian and still support this administration? That's like the blind leading the blind down the wide path to hell.
************************************************

Dr. Robin Meyers’ Speech on 11/04
http://www.newconnexion.net/article/...in_meyers.html

As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational Church in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church in northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City University. But you would most likely have encountered me on the pages of the Oklahoma Gazette, where I have been a columnist for six years, and hold the record for the most number of angry letters to the editor.

Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian. We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exactly what constitutes a moral Value — I mean what are we talking about? Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith.

We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does. Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side:

When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something immoral.

When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like that we must never return violence for violence and that those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are doing something immoral.

When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even count them, you are doing something immoral.

When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.

When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral.

When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called "enemy combatants" of the rules of the Geneva Convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral.

When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are with you, or with the terrorists—and then launch a war which enriches your own friends and seizes control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral.

When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.

When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you, you have done something immoral.

When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.

When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral.

When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth which is God's gift to us all, so that the corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something immoral. The earth belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton.

When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral. We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a "compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something immoral.

When you talk about Jesus constantly, who was a healer of the sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to see a doctor, even if she doesn't have a penny in her pocket, you are doing something immoral.

When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set women back a hundred years, and when you surround yourself with preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing something immoral. I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I must be a supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith. I'm tired of people saying that I can't support the troops but oppose the war.

I heard that when I was your age—when the Vietnam war was raging. We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war is wrong—the only question is how many people are going to die before these makebelieve Christians are removed from power?


This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people who can turn things around are people like you—young people who are just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them. It's your country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your future to take back.

Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut. Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists--so do all the faith traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith.

And war—war is the greatest failure of the human race—and thus the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song, whose lyrics say it all: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. And what is the dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to know that too many people have died? What if they gave a war and nobody came? Maybe one day we will find out.


Robin Meyers delivered this speech at a peace rally sponsored by United Campus Ministries at the University of Oklahoma in November 2004. Thanks to a few inspired students, his message was posted on the Internet, and has now gone around the world. Dr. Meyers’ latest book is "The Virtue in the Vice: Finding Seven Lively Virtues in the Seven Deadly Sins," a book Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls, "a frequently witty and thoughtful, persuasively argued exploration of the relationship between virtue and vice."
Due to overwhelming response a Live Journal blog has been created at www.livejournal.com/users/robinmeyers on which Meyers’ speech can be read and comments can be posted.

Yes well all this makes sense to me--
IT is prophesized that US "the superpower" would become more and more corrupt and would eventually fall... the wrath of God is close at hand for the American way of life.



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Old 09-06-2006, 07:39 AM
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OOOOOOO.. Prophesied... OOOOoooo.... must be true then!
Wrath of God.... OOOOOOOOO Does this mean we get to see the GOD thingy
dealing out wrath, or does it skulk up there in the clouds throwing thunderbolts, and lobbing down plagues of locusts.
You dont get it, you just want someone other that you to suffer.. dontcha.
Now that aint Christain.

Read it again and this time wipe the poo off your reading glasses.
Your heads been where the sun dont shine for too long.

And there's no need to quote the whole thing again. Maybe while your at it you can pop over to the political forum theres more of Robin Meyers there.
Thanks to Lady Mod. You may have trouble with your attention span tho' its longish.
Toodle pip....

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Old 09-06-2006, 10:11 AM
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OOOOOOO.. Prophesied... OOOOoooo.... must be true then!
Wrath of God.... OOOOOOOOO Does this mean we get to see the GOD thingy
dealing out wrath, or does it skulk up there in the clouds throwing thunderbolts, and lobbing down plagues of locusts.
You dont get it, you just want someone other that you to suffer.. dontcha.
Now that aint Christain.

Read it again and this time wipe the poo off your reading glasses.
Your heads been where the sun dont shine for too long.

And there's no need to quote the whole thing again. Maybe while your at it you can pop over to the political forum theres more of Robin Meyers there.
Thanks to Lady Mod. You may have trouble with your attention span tho' its longish.
Toodle pip....

THE POOPIN pancho comes CLEAN!?it's a HISPANIC CLAIM to the THRONE!?called USA?hehe!!the WET BURRITO of border crossin of ANOTHER AGE has a COMPUTER and a VOICE of VICE!?the AMERICAN KIND!?a SUCKUP of a F U C K UP of the pleasures of the GREAT S A T A N!?hehe!!just askin!?why NOT you!?mama maria!?bathtubs in the SAND of prosperity!?hehe!!just askin!?............bub bye......



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Old 09-06-2006, 04:44 PM
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THE POOPIN pancho comes CLEAN!?it's a HISPANIC CLAIM to the THRONE!?called USA?hehe!!the WET BURRITO of border crossin of ANOTHER AGE has a COMPUTER and a VOICE of VICE!?the AMERICAN KIND!?a SUCKUP of a F U C K UP of the pleasures of the GREAT S A T A N!?hehe!!just askin!?why NOT you!?mama maria!?bathtubs in the SAND of prosperity!?hehe!!just askin!?............bub bye......
THRONE AH Lexx... I know you sit on your commodius convenience your wireless keyboard perched on your lap, reaching for the toilet paper, dreaming up drivel , or is that drizzle on the screen. God.. Satan.. you have been sold down the river of estimable brainlessness if you use these words either as a curse or blessing.
And I came over in a yacht a very big one and a private one. Those border guards were tugging their forelocks, and doffing peaked caps, yes sir... yes sir.
For a person of indeterminate western origin you can certainly mangle your language, and drain it of absolutely all meaning and context. And no one thinks you are hiding your light under a bushel.
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:18 PM
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bethelightheaded,

"Yes well all this makes sense to me--
IT is prophesized that US "the superpower" would become more and more corrupt and would eventually fall... the wrath of God is close at hand for the American way of life."

Blah...blah...blah....We heard all the same BS in the fall of 1999, remember? Year 2000 was going to bring the end of the world!..Oh wait, we're still here...mmmmmm...oh yeah, we got the dates in the Bible translated incorrectly....it's really ___(fill in the blank)____.....Blah...blah....blah.

Go peddle your BS elsewhere.

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Old 09-07-2006, 05:29 AM
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No, wait, another year has been set: the likely year of Christ coming is two thousand eleven.
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I understand many of the points made here. But what is suggested as a solution besides removing a president who can't be re-elected. What solutions do liberals propose. What should our response be to attacks by enemies of my country, my values, my God? Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to see how effective liberal leadership is in dealing with America's enemies. I just hope we don't fool ourselves into thinking that enemies of the state differentiate between the liberal & conservative american.

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OOOOOOO.. Prophesied... OOOOoooo.... must be true then!
Wrath of God.... OOOOOOOOO Does this mean we get to see the GOD thingy
dealing out wrath, or does it skulk up there in the clouds throwing thunderbolts, and lobbing down plagues of locusts.
You dont get it, you just want someone other that you to suffer.. dontcha.
Now that aint Christain.

Read it again and this time wipe the poo off your reading glasses.
Your heads been where the sun dont shine for too long.

And there's no need to quote the whole thing again. Maybe while your at it you can pop over to the political forum theres more of Robin Meyers there.
Thanks to Lady Mod. You may have trouble with your attention span tho' its longish.
Toodle pip....

Trust me - i do not derive any sick pleasure from anyone suffering...
just telling you what the Bible said -- I didnt write the thing,,,,

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:17 AM
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Trust me - i do not derive any sick pleasure from anyone suffering...
just telling you what the Bible said -- I didnt write the thing,,,,
But you seem to believe it!!
This book was written over 2000 yrs ago it is no more relevant for predicting events today than a mickey mouse cartoon.
It has some good along with all the bad stuff in it.
The fact that people like you fall for bible believing is down to very successful tho' not very skillful marketing, and peer pressure.
The collapse of the US will have nothing to do with the bible it will be because of economic and governmental incompetence.
Saying the bible "prophesied" it is dumb, Hey... I prophesy the sun will rise tomorrow.

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Old 09-08-2006, 02:57 AM
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But you seem to believe it!!
This book was written over 2000 yrs ago it is no more relevant for predicting events today than a mickey mouse cartoon.
It has some good along with all the bad stuff in it.
The fact that people like you fall for bible believing is down to very successful tho' not very skillful marketing, and peer pressure.
The collapse of the US will have nothing to do with the bible it will be because of economic and governmental incompetence.
Saying the bible "prophesied" it is dumb, Hey... I prophesy the sun

will rise tomorrow.
hey one day you will be wrong with that prophesy --- :D :D when the world ends

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hey one day you will be wrong with that prophesy --- :D :D when the world ends
Read the book, "Don't Know Much About the Bible". Written by many religious scholars.

At least find out exactly what you are placing your faith in. And by the way, it shouldn't diminish your beliefs, it didn't mine.

Then read the book: Why the Christian Right is Wrong, written by a pastor. And remember that Satan comes as an angel of light and just because a politician says he's "born again" doesn't mean he's "born again". Look to his fruits. If the words and the actions conflict, it's the words that are lies.

And George Bush is one big liar.

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Old 09-08-2006, 03:14 AM
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But you seem to believe it!!
This book was written over 2000 yrs ago it is no more relevant for predicting events today than a mickey mouse cartoon.
It has some good along with all the bad stuff in it.
The fact that people like you fall for bible believing is down to very successful tho' not very skillful marketing, and peer pressure.
The collapse of the US will have nothing to do with the bible it will be because of economic and governmental incompetence.
Saying the bible "prophesied" it is dumb, Hey... I prophesy the sun will rise tomorrow.

Actually George Bush is doing his best to slot the U.S. into that prophesy. Everything he's done is to bring about the war at Armageddon, he's said more than once he's been called of God, and admitted on air once that this was a "crusade" to him.

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hey one day you will be wrong with that prophesy --- :D :D when the world ends
When and if the "world" ends the sun will keep rising on a dead planet or a trail of rubble where earth once was. If I remember correcttly our sun's life span still has approx another 3 billion yrs to go. So I will be wrong in 3 billion yrs. I can live with that.

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Actually George Bush is doing his best to slot the U.S. into that prophesy. Everything he's done is to bring about the war at Armageddon, he's said more than once he's been called of God, and admitted on air once that this was a "crusade" to him.

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You see thats the problem, because of a belief system (which defines their reality) such people, just to be proved right, will do anything and I mean ANYTHING just to say, look I told you so, as they fry with the rest of us.
And Rapture schmapture it aint gunna happen, OK never ever... This I can assure anyone of. If you believe it your a fool, dumb stupid idiotic moronic cretinous fool.

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THRONE AH Lexx... I know you sit on your commodius convenience your wireless keyboard perched on your lap, reaching for the toilet paper, dreaming up drivel , or is that drizzle on the screen. God.. Satan.. you have been sold down the river of estimable brainlessness if you use these words either as a curse or blessing.
And I came over in a yacht a very big one and a private one. Those border guards were tugging their forelocks, and doffing peaked caps, yes sir... yes sir.
For a person of indeterminate western origin you can certainly mangle your language, and drain it of absolutely all meaning and context. And no one thinks you are hiding your light under a bushel.
Dont forget to flush dear one, It can stink up the unit especially after a pizza.
so you quoted the light bushel thang but seem to know NOT much else concerning the WHOLE of scripture!?....DO I!?hehe!!but back to your PLEA!?brainfulness!?suppose you DESCRIBE what it MEANS to be BRAINFULL!?but then i guess your whole diatribe(LIKE MINE?!) is really ASKING that vital!? question to be ANSWERED for YOU/me!?hehe!!or not!?..just askin.....

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No, wait, another year has been set: the likely year of Christ coming is two thousand eleven.
i guess they just WANNA be FIRST!?sub/secular/culture says aztecs/mayans are GOOD to go for 2012!?hehe!!justaskin....

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Trust me - i do not derive any sick pleasure from anyone suffering...
just telling you what the Bible said -- I didnt write the thing,,,,
this is an intersting point!?if i get up tommorrow and get in my car and enjoy the sunshine and cruise the roads to nowhere......FORGETTING that somewhere at the same time someone is suffering an unspeakable wrong even unto death!?as long as i FORGET,is it SICK!?or if i remember,is it TRULY sickening!?

1.because of my own feeling of helplessness in being able to do anything about it!?
2.if i GET SERIOUS and actually TRY to do something about it!?i will recieve no support and become further HARDENED against it!?
3.i instead go for the mass appeals to my money and or time,only to discover they are a SHAM in that as all ORGANIZATIONS go,corruption and noneffectiveness make them LESS than SATISFYING to my sense of injustice in the world!?hehe!!just askin....


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