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Forum: MLM Scams 04-02-2012, 11:11 AM
Replies: 123
Views: 7,780
Posted By Vailx
Re: Why Do Many Sign Up And "Do Nothing"?

Its rather amazing that Pro MLMers aggressively use this site as a marketing tool. It goes to show that there is a huge universe of "undecided" prospects out there waiting to be harvested.

These...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-30-2012, 10:57 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,031
Posted By Vailx
Re: Ambit Energy

Recruiting really really sucks. If as you say, Ambit has a reasonable affiliate program then my approach would be:
Sign up as an affiliate
Sign up local business owners.
Build a base thats giving...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 10:09 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,275
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM's That Sell Retail (circumvent the distrib

As far a MLM is concerned, JR Watkins is one of the tamer companies. Good selection of decent products at prices that aren't crazy. I believe they do not push autoship. Order as needed.
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 09:29 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,275
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM's That Sell Retail (circumvent the distrib

Thats a huge list of retailers. I wonder how their loyal cadre of devoted MLMr's feel about this breach of trust?
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 09:17 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,275
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM's That Sell Retail (circumvent the distrib

Jerky Direct, as far as I know, is a rare MLM company that actually has a good reputation and good products at a reasonable cost.

I have no experience with it but am considering it.
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,275
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM's That Sell Retail (circumvent the distrib

It has been stated that JR Watkins has some variations of its MLM products in Walmart stores. I once tried to locate these at my local Walmart but they were nowhere to be found.
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 08:57 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,031
Posted By Vailx
Re: Ambit Energy

I've looked at commercial energy sales and talked with a local company that got into it then backed out for the reason you stated. It's basically commodity sales and lowest price wins. The company...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 08:33 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,275
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM's That Sell Retail (circumvent the distrib

JR Watkins does this to a limited degree.
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 10:41 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,031
Posted By Vailx
Re: Ambit Energy

I know in my state many business owners would benefit from both lower electric and gas bills. Businesses are hard pressed today to pay their bills to the stronger businesses that supply to them. Any...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 10:19 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,031
Posted By Vailx
Re: Ambit Energy

Thanks for that feedback. I do know that success in Texas was due? to a special case deregulated energy market in that one unique state. I'm wondering if the Texas level of success is spilling over...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-29-2012, 09:01 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,031
Posted By Vailx
Ambit Energy

Are there any successful Ambit reps trolling this forum? Someone actually making some money with this? Would you please respond to this posting? I am especially interested in those doing well in...
Forum: MLM Scams 03-07-2012, 07:57 AM
Replies: 361
Views: 14,816
Posted By Vailx
Re: Are MLMer's "Business" Owners?

Excellent approximation of reality.
Forum: MLM Scams 02-07-2012, 04:57 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 5,781
Posted By Vailx
Re: Illegal Pyramid Scheme?

I agree. MLM is big business and as such it is powerful and has political infuence. Those that earn money from it have nothing to complain about, in fact they keep their mouths shut. Those that have...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-29-2012, 01:46 PM
Replies: 135
Views: 11,951
Posted By Vailx
Re: Goodbye my friends!

The tears had barely dried upon my cheek.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-26-2012, 11:00 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Forum: MLM Scams 01-26-2012, 10:48 PM
Replies: 53
Views: 4,000
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM: Once Legitimate, Now a Scam

I've got reasonable smarts and yet I have a hard time figuring out those cryptic compensation plans. You should be able to create a model of the pyramid, plug yourself in to it somewhere, average out...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 12,079
Posted By Vailx
Re: Massive Growth in MLM

All the magical juices such as Noni, Acai and the other Ponce De Leon fountain of youth elixirs can by purchased at The Vitamin Shoppe for a fraction of the MLM cost.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-12-2012, 09:30 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Hating - If I Were Dictator

I don't know about you guys. Those examples have nothing to do with traditional MLM. This is a fun place to hang out and get a good laugh sometime. All the mud slinging and tit for tat.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-12-2012, 01:01 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
MLM Hating - If I Were Dictator

If I were dictator I would declare all MLM structures illegal.

You buy wholesale and sell retail like all other real businesses do.

A pyramid compensation structure is inherently unfair.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-11-2012, 10:29 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

This thread has really turned out to be great fun. I find it difficult to believe anyone can defend MLM. If your MLM cannot stand on its own two feet as a single level enterprise then what have you...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 09:06 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Turbo,

If your doin that good and people are happy and sticking around good for you. I'm happy for you. You found something that works. I'll share details through a PM. I'm happy when the little guy...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 04:39 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

More crappy points about MLMs. They can dump you at any time for any reason. You have no rights in the organization. Not only that they can change the agreements any time for any reason.

Because...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 03:11 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Do you sell Avon? Woman typically are willing to pay more for their beauty care products. Avon's products do not seem out line to me for similar products that sell at beauty supply stores. Avon does...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 01:33 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Mr. Doyle - I consider myself a fair man. I can be swayed with proper evidence that MLM is an honest strategy for true business building. I simply cannot see it. Recruiting and self consumption of...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 12:59 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Precisely. You got it! The way business really works. It does not make others responsible for your success. You are in the game. For a home based business where you working part time for yourself,...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 12:44 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Nothing bizarre. There are some that do work. Not many but some. I'd prefer a single level org but its unavailable.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 12:12 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Your are correct. The fact still remains that Amway's founders brought this format to national attention, not Nutrilite before Amway. They built their organization on the Nutrilite foundation. There...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 11:46 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

Amway started the ball rolling on all of this. It created a wide appeal because nothing like it before existed. The average Joe pretty much was tied to his job for life so this appealed to his desire...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 10:55 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

I agree that there are relatively few that are worthwhile. A workable home based business model is very tough to put together and make it mass marketable. Hype is the hook to sell the pig though. The...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-08-2012, 10:26 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 13,684
Posted By Vailx
MLM Haters - Well I do not hate them all

I'll throw my 2 cents in here.

I do not believe that all MLMs are inherently bad. Its a lousy business model that has wide appeal and a huge market. As a result it attracts all kinds of business...
Forum: MLM Scams 01-07-2012, 09:25 AM
Replies: 123
Views: 11,459
Posted By Vailx
Re: Retail Sales in MLM..... Fact or Fiction?

If an MLM business cannot stand on its own legs as a single level business model and make money for the operator then it is a scam.
Forum: MLM Scams 01-06-2012, 09:22 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,095
Posted By Vailx
Re: Why does MLM need to be attacked?

A good test of any MLM business is can it survive as a single level business? If it can then you got something. If not, then its a scam.
Forum: MLM Scams 12-19-2011, 03:20 PM
Replies: 883
Views: 106,437
Posted By Vailx
Mona Vie - The Fountain of Youth

Juan Ponce de León would be right proud.
Forum: MLM Scams 12-18-2011, 02:56 AM
Replies: 44
Views: 5,162
Posted By Vailx
Re: Why do people fail at MLM?

I forgot to mention...motivation is low when the lion share of your work and earnings, where there are any, are funneled up line. This goes on and on for years.
Forum: MLM Scams 12-17-2011, 04:41 PM
Replies: 44
Views: 5,162
Posted By Vailx
Re: Why do people fail at MLM?

The answer is easy. Over the top hype gets em in. They learn fast there really is no retail market for what they signed on board to hawk. Self consumption of overpriced products through autoship...
Forum: MLM Scams 12-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Replies: 56
Views: 7,086
Posted By Vailx
Re: I'm trying to figure out if Melaleuca is a sca

My feeling is that many of these business models are not intending to scam, they are simply a horrid model that seeks out a certain kind of person. The kind of person they seek is someone who will...
Forum: MLM Scams 12-12-2011, 03:23 AM
Replies: 56
Views: 7,086
Posted By Vailx
Re: I'm trying to figure out if Melaleuca is a sca

MLM is simply a horrible business model. In the past home based businesses were your Fuller Brush man and Watkins man among others. These people were knocking on doors daily to make a buck to live....
Forum: MLM Scams 11-29-2011, 05:05 PM
Replies: 56
Views: 7,086
Posted By Vailx
Re: I'm trying to figure out if Melaleuca is a sca

There is a lot of truth to the negative comments related to MLMs. Not all are bad however. Many really do work...sort of. They are simply horrible business models that seeks out a certain kind of...
Forum: MLM Scams 11-29-2011, 04:45 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 29,241
Posted By Vailx
Javita Review

It wasn't my intention that this New Thread end up at the end of another old one related to coffee MLMs for some reason. It appeared to change its position as a New Thread and magically end up at the...
Forum: MLM Scams 11-28-2011, 05:23 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 33,201
Posted By Vailx
Javita Coffee - My Review

I joined Javita some months ago. After a few weeks I realized the mistake I made.

These guys have got great marketing stuff going on. Lots a talk about building a business. They say you can retail...
Forum: MLM Scams 10-24-2011, 03:05 AM
Replies: 152
Views: 11,384
Posted By Vailx
Re: Income Levels In MLM

Why of course...they all making at the least a 6 figure monthly income and many more are millionaires. The line is now forming for getting one's name on the Forbes 400. :batman:
Forum: MLM Scams 10-24-2011, 01:45 AM
Replies: 123
Views: 11,459
Posted By Vailx
Retail Sales in MLM.....Mostly Fiction!

One of the reasons I joined this forum because I had also joined an MLM for the first time. Its the coffee one that starts with the letter "J".

Their marketing and branding is very good and the...
Forum: MLM Scams 10-20-2011, 06:28 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 6,718
Posted By Vailx
Re: Scam warning on MLMs from Chris Malta.

So very true. Individuals simply looking for a solid part time opportunity to make some extra green for themselves have to wade through a huge pile of junk. Its disgusting really.
Forum: MLM Scams 10-20-2011, 05:55 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 3,630
Posted By Vailx
Re: Net Profits Non Existent In MLM?

I find Jon Taylor presents a very compelling case that cannot be pushed aside or ignored.
Forum: MLM Scams 10-20-2011, 05:37 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

There is a cover story on one of the power company MLMs on Success/Home magazine. A---Bit company.

This is a decidedly biased publication but does actually highlight those who have done well with...
Forum: MLM Scams 10-17-2011, 05:33 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

No. There may well be some halfway decent ones out there.

Those that have a retailable product would be good canidates. The power ones for instance such a Viridian or ******. There is also J R...
Forum: MLM Scams 10-17-2011, 03:53 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

No argument in favor of MLMs will win me over when the "business" is designed:

To discourage retailing with too many restrictions
To push the associate to recruit as the stairway to "success"
...
Forum: MLM Scams 10-03-2011, 03:06 AM
Replies: 113
Views: 24,416
Posted By Vailx
Re: ****** / Stream Sued Pyramid Scheme / Racketee

To be fair to this guy, and I am by no means a fan of mlm, these power mlms, on the surface, have something almost all other mlms do not....and that is a real retail market. Many of the people who...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-30-2011, 03:29 AM
Replies: 160
Views: 35,587
Posted By Vailx
Re: BRAND NEW SCAM! Chews4Health

If you do not have a retail base to support your "business" (cough) then you have nothing. With the retail restrictions that all these mlms have in place, it tough to be anything other than a...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-27-2011, 03:42 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

You are correct. The founders of these pyramid businesses must subtract their ongoing operating expenses from their half of gross sales. My guess is these operating expenses could be anywhere between...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-26-2011, 05:01 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

Its the founders of these enterprises who really bring home the bacon. No matter how good or poorly the foot soldiers do, the founders are the ones really laughing all the way to the bank...that is...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-26-2011, 04:47 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

This is true. I am new and have recently thought this through. I am amongst some kindred company I see.

I certainly hope that I did not burst anyone's bubble with my harsh criticism of their golden...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-26-2011, 08:33 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
Re: MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

This why I am mystified. This travesty of justice is actually allowed to operate...that is the con. I am guessing that its powerful influence, wielded by the DSA, paints a rosey picture of its...
Forum: MLM Scams 09-26-2011, 07:44 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 4,664
Posted By Vailx
MLM Is Simply The Greatest Con Of All Time

It is stunning to realize the enormity of this con. Multi-million and billion dollar companies, stock exchange listed companies, companies that put on the facade of being a good corporate neighbor...
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